Japan does well in robotics and industrial automation, but how can they catch up in AI and machine learning?

Japan does well in robotics and industrial automation, but how can they catch up in AI and machine learning?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    They've been kneecapped by the west decades ago. They will never catch up.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      they fricked themselves over with their moron working culture which really meant most workers pretending to do shit and slacking off for fricking hours on end just to end the day with the respect meeting with zaibatsu bosses in some dingy karaoke bar after 10:00 p.m. and watch them plow and molest their female workers
      then off back to work at 6:00 the next day for the next 14 hours.

      oh and them not letting white people like me frick and impregnate their women and paying me to do so

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        They can't? At least I don't think they will. Any major firms working on AI in Japan? Not heard of any. They've got bigger issues anyway, namely China and the fact that the country is literally dying at an ever increasing rate without the need for continued outside influence.

        I lived there for 3 years working for my company, and while is hyperbolic as frick, hes basically right. Their work culture is the most insane, useless shit I've ever seen, and Japan has been behind on major tech innovation, quite severely, for at least a decade now.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Japan has been behind on major tech innovation, quite severely, for at least a decade now

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >car company pumping patent requests is success
            Okay. Guaranteed this is the result of some desk jockies and a concerted effort by c-suite to look good.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Mitsubishi Electric is not the car company, lol.
              It literally has the field next to the company name and you still got it wrong.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Mitsubishi rules the world, they just bait you with the israelites

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >comparing "innovation"
            >by patent count
            LMAO

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I can't tell if this was a serious attempt to imply that patent requests are the definition of success, or you're trolling or if you even read the image you posted.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            > he doesn't know coroporations file patents for just about anything and everything
            > he doesn't know Jap corporations are the most autistic when it comes to this shit

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >l'oreal
            >transport
            what

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Gotta move them drugs

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            IBM was infamous for shitting out lots of patents, it means nothing

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >They've got bigger issues anyway, namely China and the fact that the country is literally dying at an ever increasing rate without the need for continued outside influence.
          In a way, robotics could solve both those problems.
          I don't think Japan's as behind in robotics as most people claim. They're definitely no longer in primacy but I think a few government incentives could fix that. I wish I could go work there atleast.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I don't think they're SUPER behind in robotics, but I also don't think they hold the throne anymore. I do feel like they are definitely very behind in other tech sectors though.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Their software development sector is atrocious. Their code is pajeet tier.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              They're on a downward spiral. They barely fund research, forcing many of their scientists to look elsewhere for opportunities.

              They're suffering from low birth rates and brain drain like many other countries. Other countries deal with it by letring in immigrants, Japan can do it too. I know immigration is a no-no word in bot but only because countries like Sweden, USA handle it poorly, letting in anyone and everyone including muslims and africans.
              I think if Japan makes a really stringent process, they can score a lot of skilled labours from many countries. I think a lot of the newer engineers who grew up with anime would kill to visit and possibly work in Japan. Ofc, shit pay, long work hours and moronic working culture still needs to be fixed to retain the workers.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Now one would come to Japan shithole to be a corpo slave. At least in Sweden you get shit tons of benefits while im America you can make tons of money of you're good

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              in japan, 'robotics' means industrial shit that has to have a return on investment, not something that can do backflips. those sony androids back in the day where basically just a line of toys. in fact, they actually sold robot dog toys.

              as an example, a few years ago toyota redesigned its factory work floors and the robots it used in them. this means that a toyota factory can turn a profit at 30% capacity, rather than the industry normal 70%. this of course is the same company that invented the q-code with one of its subsidaries, back in the 80s. so this is the sort of shit that japan does, not the venture capital vapourware that creates glow in the dark startups that never seem to do anything. japan is still an industrialized country and the big corporate combines actually make physical products that they have to sell. so this sort of thing is important to them.

              these are the same people that still use fax machines because they're still useful to a people that use three different writing scripts.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            They're on a downward spiral. They barely fund research, forcing many of their scientists to look elsewhere for opportunities.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            They're still strong in the sector of conventional, programmed robotics, but deep learning/neural nets are really blowing up right now and they're far behind there.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >In a way, robotics could solve both those problems.
            Unless by 'robotics' you mean 'artificial wombs' then no, they aren't going to solve extinction fertility.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              I'm pretty sure artificial wombs have already been invented, just a matter of commercializing them.
              But, I don't think a high population of workforce is needed in the future when robots and AI automate most of the work.
              I think Japan should invest inrobotics and AI so they help out with healthcare so there isn't a big burden on the smaller workforce. Even better if they invest in de-aging and other modern medical treatments which would reduce the amount of money spent on treating old people.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Any major firms working on AI in Japan?
          No but Hentai Diffusion is leagues ahead right now.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >kneecapped by the West
      lmao they fricking owned the West in the 80’s and 90’s until their economy blew up.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, and who was it that blew their economy up, bub?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          lmao it was their own greedy companies paying the price for their underhanded stock trading tactics. If you're referring to the currency weakening, Japan benefitted from that. The closest I see that USA did wrong was stop semiconductors and their designs from coming into USA or the high tariffs placed on their products in the 80s. All of it was wrong but those definitely weren't to blame for the collapse in the 90s.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        1987 trade war between the US-Japan fricked them, the US imposed tariffs/sanctions on Japan and they never recovered, that + demographic crisis it was over, then they conspired to keep away EUV technology away from Japan so Nikon fell behind as well.

        They basically did a smaller version of what they are doing to China now

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >robotics and industrial automation
    their robots are fricking dated now anon. What are you takling about

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    nobody cares about robots

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      That's just Google being moronic like you.

      Tesla will rape everyone as soon as they launch the optimus shit, they are way WAY ahead of literally everyone else on earth on computer vision, which is the missing puzzle for automatization of manual labor.

      GPT-4 already solved computer vision, pic related.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >GPT-4 already solved computer vision, pic related.
        >i know that because i saw a viral tweet with a napkin
        You are moronic.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          lol mong

          I clipped that pic myself from the technical report, which I actually read unlike you brainlets.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Please show me gpt-4 thinking in real time and taking decisions based on the physicality of the real world, I'll wait.
            Meanwhile, if you want to check videos of a company that is actually doing it right now with consumer level hardware, check this link https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=tesla%20fsd&themeRefresh=1

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Their computer vision isn't even good.
              Please share a video of ANY company implementing computer vision on the real world at the level of Tesla or better.

              Notice how none of these morons that called me dumb have taken up my offer to share videos of anyone doing it better than Tesla.
              >HURR DURR ROCKET MAN BAD SO I MUST SAY TESLA BAD HURRRRR
              Jesus fricking christ.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Please show me gpt-4 thinking in real time
              I never claimed that. But others who have access claim similar generations take around 20 seconds so we are only a few more doublings from real-time image processing.
              >taking decisions based on the physicality of the real world
              I said they solved computer vision not robotics.

              [...]
              Why is there a tesla shill here? Their computer vision isn't even good.
              [...]
              Others solved computer vision, GPT-4 just has one implementation of it.
              Do better BOT, you guys should know this stuff, you're letting a tesla shill influence here.

              >Others solved computer vision, GPT-4 just has one implementation of it.
              There are others with decent image recognition but not the level of understanding GPT-4 has.
              PaLM-E can do it also but they were both made at the same time and GPT-4 seems slightly better.

              >advanced OCR connected to a meme database with a million terawatt server=robot brain interacting with the real world based on cameras as input on a consumer level GPU
              This is how smart BOT is.

              That's just scaling the fundamental research problem is solved. It's just a question of better GPUs and optimization now.

              [...]
              Notice how none of these morons that called me dumb have taken up my offer to share videos of anyone doing it better than Tesla.
              >HURR DURR ROCKET MAN BAD SO I MUST SAY TESLA BAD HURRRRR
              Jesus fricking christ.

              Yep typical midwits.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >but not the level of understanding GPT-4 has.
                wait do they allow using images in GPT-4 now?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >wait do they allow using images in GPT-4 now?
                Not for consumers yet but along with the examples from the technical report there was a leak where someone had API access and hooked it up to a discord bot.

                >few more doublings from real-time image processing.
                My brother in christ, GPT uses SERVER FARMS to work.
                Tesla uses a shitty AMD GPU.
                >I said they solved computer vision not robotics.
                Thats literally the definition of computer vision, please, stop writing, it hurts.

                >My brother in christ, GPT uses SERVER FARMS to work.
                Exponential growth is exponential and in fact world economic growth is faster than exponential.
                >Tesla uses a shitty AMD GPU.
                Tesla uses hardcoded image recognition techniques that don't scale and will never be sophisticated enough to identify arbitrary items and understand how they relate to each other. It's will never work for anything more complicated then just navigating a space or performing a hardcoded routine.
                >Thats literally the definition of computer vision, please, stop writing, it hurts.
                No it isn't.
                "Computer vision is a field of artificial intelligence (AI) that enables computers and systems to derive meaningful information from digital images, videos and other visual inputs — and take actions or make recommendations based on that information. If AI enables computers to think, computer vision enables them to see, observe and understand." - ibm.com/topics/computer-vision
                "Computer Vision has a dual goal. From the biological science point of view, computer vision aims to come up with computational models of the human visual system. From the engineering point of view, computer vision aims to build autonomous systems which could perform some of the tasks which the human visual system can perform (and even surpass it in many cases)." Computer Vision: Evolution and Promise - T. S. Huang

                https://i.imgur.com/48hSbDF.png

                >Tesla vehicles aren't reliably autonomous
                Yes they are.
                https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=tesla+fsd
                >There are frequent accidents due to their AI vision seeing things wrong.
                No there aren't.

                My Tesla has tried to drive the wrong way on one way streets on multiple occasions it's not nearly as great as the statistics would suggest.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                > Exponential growth is exponential and in fact world economic growth is faster than exponential.
                lol moron

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >few more doublings from real-time image processing.
                My brother in christ, GPT uses SERVER FARMS to work.
                Tesla uses a shitty AMD GPU.
                >I said they solved computer vision not robotics.
                Thats literally the definition of computer vision, please, stop writing, it hurts.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        lol mong

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >advanced OCR connected to a meme database with a million terawatt server=robot brain interacting with the real world based on cameras as input on a consumer level GPU
        This is how smart BOT is.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        If it is as slow as GPT4 we are all going to die driving

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The funny part is that despite using intellectual-sounding words like "structural risk" his approach is garbage.
        Neural networks have a lot of complexity these days too but people don't have their head up their asses, the results speak for themselves.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The fact that this image of all things is perfectly explained by a very fat language model is just... too poetic.. i don't have the right word for it.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    exactly what advancements in robotics need to be made
    What will AI do for non-sex robots?

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    China has been beating Japan at robotics for a decade now

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Just slap it on there

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Japanese robots
    >Absolute meme

    I've lived here for a decade and the only robots I've ever seen were those shitty pepper robots that greet you at the softbank store.
    The Japanese are obsessed with making robots that entertain rather than for anything practical and their obsession with that had lead them to be succeed at neither.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    There were some attempts.

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Tesla will rape everyone as soon as they launch the optimus shit, they are way WAY ahead of literally everyone else on earth on computer vision, which is the missing puzzle for automatization of manual labor.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Puzzle piece*

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      They have probably made great progress but they are not ahead of google, and they are certainly not ahead of disney

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        LMAO, they LITERALLY have MILLIONS of autonomous robots already on the streets, what does google of disney have? Literally nothing.
        Don't confuse fancy million dollar programable robots with computer vision.
        Literally no one else on earth is doing what Tesla is doing, the closest competitor uses mapped streets with lidar and geofenced pre-recorder routes, absolute mongoloid you are.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          It's not an issue of navigation, it's an issue of mobility. The "robots" they have are cars.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            How fricking moronic are you? Its an issue of computer vision, we've had fancy robots that can mechanically emulate humans for decades.
            The problem is that we didn't have a brain to interpret the world and make decisions for himself based on a set of instructions.
            How low must your IQ be to not understand how Tesla self driving works?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              I suspect you're straight up lying at this point.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Tesla vehicles aren't reliably autonomous. There are frequent accidents due to their AI vision seeing things wrong.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Tesla vehicles aren't reliably autonomous
            Yes they are.
            https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=tesla+fsd
            >There are frequent accidents due to their AI vision seeing things wrong.
            No there aren't.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              lmao if you want to keep your head up your ass and decide not to see the tons of videos of Teslas driving improperly, causing accidents, lighting up on fire, then you do you. Besides, their FSD isn't even full self driving, that Elon's bs marketing.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                > tons of videos

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >It's 100% safe and effective

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous
            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Tesla is a fricking joke to real automotive companies. The only advantage they had was that the real companies were completely sleeping on autonomous driving. Tesla considered bottom tier by their peers.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      They have probably made great progress but they are not ahead of google, and they are certainly not ahead of disney

      LMAO, they LITERALLY have MILLIONS of autonomous robots already on the streets, what does google of disney have? Literally nothing.
      Don't confuse fancy million dollar programable robots with computer vision.
      Literally no one else on earth is doing what Tesla is doing, the closest competitor uses mapped streets with lidar and geofenced pre-recorder routes, absolute mongoloid you are.

      I think open sourcing knowledge and cooperation is the best way to make a proper robot. Tesla's computer vision, Boston Dynamics' hardware and Google's AI

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Thats moronic, Google AI? What fricking google AI? A moronic chatgpt copy that isn't good enough for anything?
        Boston Dynamics makes boutique products that cost millions and can do frick all by itself besides traverse terrain, Tesla optimus will be less than 100k and capable of doing 99% of blue collar jobs.

        I suspect you're straight up lying at this point.

        >"I KNOW NOTHING OF WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT"
        >"HURR DURR U R LYING IM NOT STUPID"
        Jesus fricking christ, just use google you absolute crayon munching mongoloid.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Thats moronic, Google AI? What fricking google AI? A moronic chatgpt copy that isn't good enough for anything?
      Boston Dynamics makes boutique products that cost millions and can do frick all by itself besides traverse terrain, Tesla optimus will be less than 100k and capable of doing 99% of blue collar jobs.
      [...]
      >"I KNOW NOTHING OF WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT"
      >"HURR DURR U R LYING IM NOT STUPID"
      Jesus fricking christ, just use google you absolute crayon munching mongoloid.

      Why is there a tesla shill here? Their computer vision isn't even good.

      https://i.imgur.com/QY8xBfZ.jpg

      That's just Google being moronic like you.
      [...]
      GPT-4 already solved computer vision, pic related.

      Others solved computer vision, GPT-4 just has one implementation of it.
      Do better BOT, you guys should know this stuff, you're letting a tesla shill influence here.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Their computer vision isn't even good.
        Please share a video of ANY company implementing computer vision on the real world at the level of Tesla or better.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Have you ever scanned a cheque and auto-deposited it into a bank account? Have you ever walked somewhere with a security camera? Those both use computer vision better than tesla does.

          [...]
          Notice how none of these morons that called me dumb have taken up my offer to share videos of anyone doing it better than Tesla.
          >HURR DURR ROCKET MAN BAD SO I MUST SAY TESLA BAD HURRRRR
          Jesus fricking christ.

          The smart companies take models that work, like Yolo, and implement them into their processes. Companies that try to roll their own computer vision models tend to have worse computer vision. You're just shilling here.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Mercedes is way ahead of Tesla

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    test

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    who the frick cares about japan you tranime loving homosexual

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Jaoan killed creativity by stealing the future from it's youth. It will shrivel up, a nation starved of youthful vitality and unwilling to bring in immigrants (who bear many children and are highly motivated to climb the social ladder)

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Japan has been behind since the early 2000s. Nothing substantial techwise has come out of there for decades. It's honestly mostly all obsolete by western standard. I bought a 2021 Lexus and the tech in there was older than my 2014 Ford.

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Sketti-bot

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Japanese are cringe boomers who still can't into credit cards, use fax machines and their websites look like from the 90s.

    Senile fricks

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >and their websites look like from the 90s.
      based

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Aren't loras a japanese invention?

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Just make larger transformers and hire more nigerians to fine tune it.

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