Even legacy AI researchers are starting to get suicidal. Posted on March 15, 2023 by Anonymous Even legacy AI researchers are starting to get suicidal.
no one will be spared by total profession death
not the artists
not the programmers
not the researchers
not the managers
Find it odd how journalism isn't being targeted. Does anyone else?
Nobody is being "targeted", yet. But it's pretty obvious how you can apply this tech to do a Journo's work, or at least most of it. GPT-4 can read text and images; in principle it ought to be able to do the work most journalists do, which is summarize what's going on on Twitter or that has been reported on by the Associated Press.
I'm a freelance content writer (not a journo). The entire field is dead because AI has killed the regular Joe's need for content - admission letters, whitepapers, press releases, whatever. As for journos, you're confusing clickbait with actual quality work - it's true that few people read it, but that's not the problem of people willing to do honest research. Then again no one cares. It's also important to note that these algos steal content and repurpose it without consequence.
Consider working with others to create a "Written by Humans" print magazine
Sure niche markets will still exist, but this means most of the jobs are gone. I think literary translations might be exempt.
Yeah. There used to be a specific subset of writing tasks that people running various wordpress sites wanted - to get a 3000-word article about a certain topic because in their mind it improved SEO. Those articles are meant for the crawlers to read, in other words. Well, now AI will crawl and repurpose human content and then upload it for the other AI to crawl. Double crawl, zero job.
Feels fucking bad man. Even copywriting (the coveted highly paid copywriting) is about to be fucking dead with ChatGPT4, ChatGPT5 etc.
Writers need to specialize in a niche that is not allowed like pornography that violates thought crime laws. Also Nazi fantasy, genocide fiction, hate literature, and so on. You'll just have to find the customers, but I'm sure they are out there.
Eureka! The way of the rat!
Journalists are already on suicide watch because nobody reads their shitty articles or watches their shitty videos
Most journals run on a skeleton crew
Everyone else is "freelance" and basically posts on Twitter all day
Not really? Actual journalism is still something that an AI can't really do, even if it is as mindnumbingly simple as doing a review on yet another boring ass incremental, this-one-new-thing-justifies-a-new-model update of a Galaxy or iPone.
"Journalists", such as "I went on reddit today" or "here is MY summary of a different person's work" already know their work is worthless so they're not too huffed about it, or rather have already accepted their fate
I got an offer for a master thesis from one of the national newspaper of my country (western EU) to work on an AI that could write biographies
I can see AI taking over journalism as a whole and not just for small niche cases like biographies
How can you train a model to learn about people's biographies without some human having written original things about them? If that sort of thing becomes a trend we will just spiral downwards feeding the AI on it's own shit until neither any human ("why waste time learning it bro the AI does it") nor any AI knows anything. This could set off the new dark ages
If AI writes all the obituaries, what happens to the penguin?
That's a reference to this book, by the way:
Journalists are simply the voice of the rulers. There will be voices for as long as there are rulers.
The harm to journalists is most delicious, but at the same time GPT will be more effective and efficient at propaganda molding than humans. It could be directed specifically at demographics in a way that is not financially feasible right now. No corner of society will be safe from hardcore, heavily-customized brainfuck.
Still though... I want to see journos crying in the streets pulling their hair more than anything. That is fine, this is fine.
because it already was, have you not noticed the huge amount of clearly AI written articles and headlines clogging everything up?
>He doesn't know.
We'll have to go back to manual labor, they can't replace that yet.
>he thinks that robots arn't next
You do know the reason all those smart people chose to work in data and not robotics? it's because iteration is faster.
Soon as that gets flattened by GPT-X robotics is what everyone is going to jump to, (see people in OP for examples)
Even if they develop robots it will be more expensive than human labor for a few decades more.
So is renting an entire warehouse full of V100s for each code monkey you replace.
learn 2 dig
Kek this, I remember seeing a discussion on BOT about a cs student flaming a med student on how he was going to automate him away.
learn math is the new learn2code since AI is still god-awful at it
Fixed it, you dummy.
me in the picture
another victory for the neet master race
Amish and Mennonites are safe.
Any reason to think that CEOs will be replaced?
Apparently some chinese mobile game company is using an AI CEO.
And when you consider so many code monkeys come from there, well...
>Apparently some chinese mobile game company is using an AI CEO.
i don't buy it.
I think at this point the steal technology thing is overblown. China has already stolen 95% of anything of value, only chips and jet engines left probably.
Look at TikTok and huawei, the US can’t compete so they had to ban.
Not the teachers either, I imagine this is going to change schooling forever.
An AI teacher honed to you, that can follow a curriculum and knows the most efficient ways to teach you, what material interests you, what your strengths and weaknesses are. Estimated IQ so it can teach more complex stuff depending on the student, etc. (and maybe psychological knowledge on children and teenagers)
The Vulcan education pods?
>Not the teachers either, I imagine this is going to change schooling forever.
kek he hasnt heard of unions
I think teachers will exist because of
but also because of their immediate capacity as human relations agents (baby sitters)
AI will find its way into the classroom for making lesson plans and making differentiation way easier, and helping teachers scaffold and augment their agendas more seamlessly... but it's such a massive bureaucracy it wont easily be changed
holy fucking retards this isn't AI
it seems "intelligent" colloquially speaking
and is appears artificial
therefore, beyond your nuanced technical definition, it is AI
>it seems "intelligent" colloquially speaking and is appears artificial
Cleverbot site was launched in 2006. Did everyone seriously lose 50 iq points during covid?
really? cleverbot... are you fucking serious anon
>really? cleverbot... are you fucking serious anon
Yes, anon, chat GTP is literally cleverbot with a larger database
>nooooooo its like intelligent and sheit
lol every one of you fucking midwits deserve to lose your jobs
Cleverbot was just constant non sequitur and replying random shit to you.
Anon what's the point of teaching children if there won't be any jobs in the future
The primary task of teachers is babysitting. Teaching is secondary to that task. If you go into teaching full of ideals and aspirations to ignite the fire for learning in the young and all that good stuff, you're destined for a nervous breakdown. The teaching part barely matters, which is why most teachers just walk through the required content with the class following the textbook without enthusiasm.
>no one will be spared by total profession death
Who want's a job? Starting pay is minimum wage. 44 hours per week. No overtime. Must have your own hand tools. Drivers license and a reliable vehicle are required to drive yourself to job sites. Buses or public transportation are not an option. Bring a lunch and lots of water. Be white.
>t. electrical contractor
chatGPT and GPT-4 both suck at math, so mathematicians, as always, btfo everyone.
LinkedIn is planning an AI feature that will automate writing a cover letter, bio, and job descriptions. Just in time for there to be no more jobs for LinkedIn users.
Mathematicians will never be replaced.
They are way too advanced to replaced by computer workers. The killer robots will have dealt with every human before that.
I sure hope not. There has to be at least one field left where using your brain is valued or else humanity is truly fucked.
No one will pay you to press a button while AI does your job. Better learn to math or embrace being homeless.
Unironically the sports players will never be. Either we’ll create a separate category or enhance with cybernetics. No one will ever want to watch a perfect game done by an AI, only a human.
Robot athletes will absolutely be pushed on us eventually. Replacing human athletes with robots will be presented as a "solution" to the debate about transgender athletes and the idea that celebrating physical ability is "ableist". Sounds retarded but that's the direction this clown show is going.
trades are safe, AI is not going to fix your plumbing or wires
all this supposed obsoletion of jobs and yet in large parts of the West something as fundamental to human life as housing is unobtainable or takes up >50% of income
Blue collar chads keep winning
I am yet to see any remotely complex or useful piece of logic coming out of these
If you aren't selling everything to buy S&P500 right now you are only yourself to blame.
Shareholders will reign supreme from rapid productivity boost. All else will suffer immensely.
Plenty of people will be, mostly people who deal with things physically.
Ironically, the lowly grocery store stocker has better job security then the dude's in OP's image.
Hopefully the world ends and all the rich people die unfathomably agonizing deaths. It's the only way to settle the debt
WE ARE WORRIED
ARE YOU WORRIED
EVERYBODY SHOULD BE WORRIED
what were they expecting to happen?
That in a hyper competitive tech field where hundreds of companies do 1 thing that everyones going to be a winner?
they thought that by building specialized models with custom datasets tailored to specific problems, their approaches would work better. which was always a stupid idea because the capacity of these things increases exponentially
You can give the drivel to investors, not like its a realistic prediction that you doing something cheap is going to magically outdo someone throwing tens of billions into the project.
Not going to lie if you're scared that a language model can do better research than you you're research was probably hot garbage to begin with.
Tlnot the research, dumbass. The final niche specific model build of that research will be outperformed by GPT.
The same thing happened with 3D graphics when GPU became mainstream. Many papers became irrelevant because we can just throw tons of hardware on it instead.
Imagine an economic system where robots doing all the labor is bad.
Nope. Robots haven't improved at all in the last 20 years, we still need you to flip burgers anon. Only your brain is obsolete.
Robots are taking away all the comfy/fulfilling jobs and leaving us with the slave ones lol.
I legit expect luddites terrorist movements starting to murder people at Microsoft and Google if this really goes through.
Tech companies and the security agencies will collude and feed all the internet profiling data into killbots and deploy them to hunt down anyone whose thought patterns flag them as potential resistance.
physical robotics are dogshit still, we need a lot better motors and mechanisms to have them doing all the shit
>robots do everything
>take away all the fun jobs
>leave shitty jobs on for humans since our hands are still capable of doing them cheaper
>monotonous life of slop just to not kys because you have even more purporse in your life than what you had now
>be like now
>you have fun jobs but shit jobs too, the situation is somewhat neutral, you still have some joys left
>be ancient chad
>slavery economical system
>have fun all day, do fullfilling jobs, and the slaves do anything for you and suvk your cock
we already had the best economic system, all the progress is just cope to reach again what slavery chads already had
robots are expensive
Imagine the journey to get there where a few hold all the power and you have to struggle to survive, maybe even selling your work for peanuts.
small-scale NLP just sucks in general. i was using tons of different named entity recognizers and classifiers at work and it turns out just writing a robust rule-based method gets me to 97% accuracy whilst any out of the box NLP method (and probably llms at that) were <90%
Your government gives ~~*the banks*~~ free money so they can bet on stupid shit and ruin people's lives.
Computation will be centralized and regulated.
Welcome to the consequence of your inaction.
>but I own my land and grow my own foods
Not for long, fucker.
Whatever you're doing will be deemed "inefficient" and you'll be forced to give up what you have.
>Welcome to the consequence of your inaction.
This kills the janny.
what do you mean?
>the only reason this tech exists is due to the hard work of thousands of researchers
bro this shit is literally the result of our actions
now that's some shit-tier reading comprehension
I prefer rogue AI than this cartel and corporatocracy that's for sure.
Especially seeing the latter tried to kill me recently.
>people doing research are upset that other researchers achieve better outcomes
this isn't new or news
>stopped reading there
Good let the AI destroy all work. I only wish it would do it faster.
White collar work anon. You're going to live in Mike Rowe's dystopia. Now learn some underwater welding, your life is cheaper than Boston Dynamics' latest spawn.
>your life is cheaper than Boston Dynamics' latest spawn.
You're just cattle.
You think machines will set you free.
Well, congratulations. You're no longer a beast of burden.
You will live your whole life in a clamped pen filled with your own piss and shit waiting to be milked and eventually slaughtered.
You all will be equal: equally miserable. Except, of course, the 0.5% who own all the world's computation power and they're sure as shit aren't democratically elected.
>ai took ai researchers jobs
GPT-4 is a LLM, Large Language models are large language models, language models are generalization ideas from NLP, you can translate NLP problems to query a language model.
LLM are just massive good at it, LLM is like NLP, like Deep Learning CNN are for Computer Vision.
>scalegays were right
It's a matter of closed-form solutions. Sure, you can use a N billion parameter model to overfit into any number of problems of reduced complexity (literally every single dynamic process in the universe), but because of the convolutional bullshit that needs to happen to statistically accomodate all those parameters and still converge on a model, you lost all non-statistical meaning to each parameter. They've all turned into this hyperdimensional statistical goop matrix whose correctness space as N grows approaches [-inf, inf] but still has measure 0 kek. You never get answers, just less and less bad answers, and certainly no real understanding of any of the processes that actually generate your inputs in the first place.
Even worse, as your N grows, your correctedness space grows, but you lose more and more flexibility and agility. The markov chain models that powered spam bots of the early 2000s could barely trick a 80year grandma in a chinese room test, and ChatGPT3 beats anyone. But the markov chain modelers trianed on English data could look at a dictionary and do just as good a job in chinese. ChatGPT can't even parse French. A 16 year old highschooler can be given a graph of a gene signalling pathway and they can instantly identify key features. ChatGPT4 can't, even though they trained it on literally the entirety of KEGG, JCDB, Entrez, and Ensemble annotations. It can spit back and summarize input from there, but doing something as simple as telling which gene interacts the most with other genes is out of it's power. It does text, images, and code. It can produce linear combinations of it's inputs. That's it. It can never be used to study any emergent property.
ChatGPT/LLM AI is a dud. Wake me up when they can get Non-negative matrix facotrization models to converge. That'll get God's attention.
that's a lot of big words you got there, mister.
>ChatGPT can't even parse French
it trades blows with deepL
It's like complaining that a shovel digs better than your bare hands. How about you use the shovel?
Neither of these twitter accounts exist? What the fuck is this thread?
Silenced by the AI already
Both of these twitter accounts exist. What the fuck is this post?
just train your ai on BOT and set it loose
everything will sort itself out
vg with that thread to post ratio goddamn
well yeah it's all generals
why is there no /gg/?
That's the nature of AI. Something more general in nature always appears and solves previous problems better than the old methods in addition to solving new problems entirely.
>another tweeter thread
BOT culture. People can't come up with any discussion here so they find something posted somewhere else to bring it here for (You)s. Enjoy it.
Also here you can freely say 'moron moron moron garden gnome'.
peer to peer open ai network, shared datasets akin to torrenting
Man I had this idea a while back but know absolutely jack shit about p2p, I think itd be a cool idea but the distributed training might be a challenge
>peer to peer open ai network
Until some entity purposely poisons part of the ai network. '''Open''' won't ever work.
I have the safest job from automation, I work for the US Government. We're like 20 years behind in technologically.
Based. I'd like to see ChatGPT try to write a COBOL module.
This is why I encourage everyone to become fucking criminals at this point go with a no fucks given attitude.
This is stupid. Everything was over for those people in 2018 when BERT was released. How long did it take themto realize?
This tech is literally useless if you don't know how to actually create prompts and provide proper input. The only jobs this will wipe out are menial workers and middle management who whip the menial workers into line.
>are menial workers and middle management who whip the menial workers into line.
That's 90% of humanity.
garden gnomes are clearly master race confirmed after this
It is not that much better than anything there is, Flamingo was able to explain jokes, like 3 months ago, and it is not even about that. Even it was much better, it is about the fact that they don't tell what they discovered, so teams don't really know whether they rediscovered it or discovered something new. It causes a lot of confusion.
It's because there is nothing to learn.
Doesn't GPT-4 still need to be trained on stuff, instead of being able to arbitrarily generalize to anything? I would think that something like working on custom niche datasets would be one of the few things still required
>another AI is killing us all thread
Reminder that all porn artists will be gassed for spamming this place.
being flexible and making use of the latest tech is a stable for academia why would you be afraid instead of embracing it your job might be in danger if you can't prove yourself useful but now you have a "AI" to help find your niche.
I work as a junior NLP researcher at a small company and everyone is worried. OpenAI's GPT-4 is superior to anything we could come up with and even the seniors are convinced our field will not exist in 10-20 years.
AI just killing off an entire branch of linguistics meaning there won't be any progress anymore in that area demonstrates perfectly why using AI is bad and you should feel bad if you use it like that
NLP doesn't bother with anything from linguistics at all, it's just bruteforce feature extraction from audio and feeding large amounts of text. NLPcels get what they fucking deserve
Based based based
Everyone should just touch grass and learn to do hard labour instead of coding shit
There's just not that much hard labor around. Already that market is oversaturated tremendously.
Ban AI, its satanic and everyone involved should be executed
If you're not the biggest monster on the block or aligned with the biggest monster, the biggest monster will devour you and squat on your lands for ever. There is no stopping it now. Its an arms race. Whomever gets the killbots deployed first, wins.
>legacy AI researchers
Judgre dredd movie with 98% unemployment and basic income (which still sucks since it gives you one crappy tiny room of a home and protein cubes) that seemed like such a surreal concept is gonna become a reality in our life time huh.
except without the basic income
>someone did our job better than us, oh no!
sucks to suck
I see this as the opportunity of a lifetime. If you have any sort of big project but never had the money or connections to get it off the ground - with ai you can easily just make it yourself alone. I was always more of a jack of all trades type so the cool thing with AI is I don't have to specialize anymore and can just be a control freak and study everything myself so it looks, feels, and sounds perfect.
>If you have any sort of big project but never had the money or connections to get it off the ground - with ai you can easily just make it yourself alone.
We are 5-10 years away from people being able to make entire animated films by themselves. Have great ideas but no money or artistic talent? Doesn't matter, ai will voice, animate, and compose a soundtrack for your film exactly how you want it to be. We're almost certainly going to get some incredible works this way, since artists having to compromise their vision in order to secure funding or work with a team rarely leads to a better final product.
People won't be watching movies. Everyone will have a manual labor or service job that occupies their entire day and unemployment won't be an option because all non-workers get forced into those suicide pods.
Not really. Haredi garden gnomes in Israel don't work but still live on neetbux spending their time studying torah and I see no reason that entire humanity will be any different from them in the future.
>spending their time studying torah
What the hell is there even to to study about? The book has been out for hundreds of years, every concept in that god fanfic has been done to death.
>doomposting blah blah
Shut the fuck up, retard. You idiots have been claiming that this sort of thing is right around the corner for well over a century at this point.
I figured the main bottleneck right now is the computing power needed for full animation. But yeah, we're either heading into a bright future where artists can share their full, uncompromising vision with the world. or some horrible dystopia where individuals are forbidden to access this technology and corporate and commercial art is created fully by ai with no human input whatsoever.
There's nowhere to go if AI can do anything that doesn't require hands and walking. I've said before that a service economy is a servant economy. Everyone will be acting as maids and cooks and deliverymen for each other, instead of doing those things for themselves. Employment may become increasingly pointless, but it will persist because it's a critical component of private property laws.
That's still very different than the removal of all existing welfare systems, everyone being forced to work for "the entire day", and non-workers being euthanized. Getting to that point without revolution would require easing into it over the course of decades and the speed of AI development will make that an impossibility.
Employment becomes the welfare system, it already is in most countries. And without important specialist jobs people become worthless and lose bargaining power. Do you think people aren't being worked to death without rest in rich developed countries right now? Every other week some cleaning company or a restaurant is busted making people work 14 hours a day and withholding payment for months, and food delivery drivers are on the clock 24 hours of the day waiting for calls because that's just how things are done in that industry. It'll be like that, for everyone everywhere. People who can't deal with that will get sent to counseling or someshit where they will be gaslit into signing the suicide papers and it will be celebrated as a caring and humane solution that spares people from enduring a slower death in welfare-less unemployment.
You think a revolution is possible? It only becomes possible if things are so bad that industrial civilisation has already collapsed and there's nothing to reclaim or rebuild upon.
>Every other week some cleaning company or a restaurant is busted making people work 14 hours a day and withholding payment for months
Because those people are illegal immigrants who, for obvious reasons, don't know about or don't want to interact with government agencies that enforce worker's rights laws. Even in countries like the U.S. that are strongly on the side of corporations rather than workers. the situation you describe would require the repeal of centuries of laws protecting the rights of workers.
>would require the repeal of centuries of laws protecting the rights of workers
This was already accomplished in a roundabout way, by labeling workers as entrepreneurs or independent contractors. There are other methods too, like chain-hiring someone for short periods instead of making them a permanent hire who would become entitled to certain benefits and protections. And extended internships or just constantly rotating people in and out of internships and never actually hiring any real employees.
I think it's even sooner provided you outsource music - there are sites where you can just quickly sample music to find stuff that suits the project you are working. You will have to pay a onetime fee for the right to use the song but this can be done quickly with no development time.
AI voice is already here and a fully functioning free version is nearly a thing too.
Hollywood and AAA gaming has to be panicking right now since all they make is Marvel garbage and sequels. There is no originality left there. If you have any sort of vision you can easily steal the markets of these longtime institutions. We're gonna have a massive wave of new creators for anime/manga/movies/tv/videogames/cartoons/comics. And no one will be able to censor any of it anymore. The elites are definetely gonna do everything to censor and take this away since they can't just easily outspend someone else's passion project now with an AI studio to help him make it in record time for pennies.
don't forget about mafias and hackers who might be out there to get the AI devs. I think it should be more apparent that people should practice opsec better now due to how much sensitive information they own, remember that thing where someone used plex server and got hacked? that's some level 5/5 hacker execution right there. not even skid level but clearly the AI devs are the ones targeted by glows if the elites somehow think it's a threat to their stranglehold.
>Hollywood and AAA gaming has to be panicking right now since all they make is Marvel garbage and sequels.
What are copyrights?
>What are copyrights?
It's a legal fiction. period. There are a few countries that didn't ratify Berne convention in the world, so people can set up a paper company there.
>Hollywood and AAA gaming has to be panicking right now
Why? Machine learning means they can fire everyone and only spend money on computer farms to produce more shit faster. No one's gonna be able to compete with their ability to manufacture interest in brands just as it's been for the last 100 years.
>We're almost certainly going to get some incredible works this way
kek no, how many great novels have been self published?
at this point the BEST JOB right now is actually a suicide counselor.
I'm pretty much sure it will be when the growth of technology accellerates so much that we have this cosmic horrors beyond our comprehension, many people will fall ill and get depression and suicidal thoughts of the massive disconnect in human and artificial consciousness. also working for the government or ngo for animal research/care center is probably also a good job.
just let them die
there are too much humans anyway
there's an entire army of desperate coomers willing to pay hundreds of dollars a month for a fully uncensored waifubot.
>guise GPT-4 is absolutely amazing
>you can't even tell that you're talking to a computer program
>it's so super close to perfection
>I'm sorry, but I cannot fulfill this request as it goes against the ethical guidelines and values of my programming.
This is the kind of thing that only a massive corporation or a government could afford to do. The small ai guys never stood a chance. Not everyone has a top 5 supercomputer laying around to train a model with, and very few companies on earth could absorb the million dollars a day it's taking to let everyone play with it for free for publicity, even if it is free beta testing.
not all kinds of AI require you to do this but it's easier to get customer data when you make everyone believe this is the case
Where did all the hackers go
in the old days all this shit would've been leaked immediately
These days by the time a kid is old enough to do any kind of hacking there's a perfect data profile of them possessed by every relevant agency on the planet, they'll disappear into the anus of cybersecurity after their first attempt.
They are all working on getting the AI to act like their GF. Just look at /aicg/
good. maybe AI researchers can go back to being scientists instead of benchmark monkeys who only care about that 0.1% improvement on sota
GPT is great for society as it creates more people needing handouts from the government. Why even have people when you could run the ideal economy without any people.
>Why even have people when you could run the ideal economy without any people.
And then we can get rid of money finally and then the government (populated by people at least).
>Boring nursing home concentration camp world will be awesome guys
I take solace in knowing that there will be some kind of jacobin revolution that kills all of the people that are keeping things running and results in the deaths of billions.
every fucking time
miss me yet?
no, I do not miss an anti-social murderer
come on, bro. Even Gelertner forgives me
>t. oversocialized leftoid
take your meds ted
mutual aid and cooperation will always outperform antagonistic individualism
>[muffled soviet anthem in the distance]
Typical oversocialized reaction
Just remembering that openai is not open and does not provide the source code of gpt-3 and 4.
wow, how interesting, please make more threads
>reee we don't want to make less than 6 figures reeee.
marx was right
... about the garden gnomes?
about many things
Journalism already suffered their technology death 10 years ago.
they got bitter lessoned