Why is it considered "bad" or "wrong" to use GPT to complete schoolwork when all that it's doing is regurgitating the exact same information you're going to get from Google anyways but in a much faster and more concise manner instead?
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Because actually writing something teaches you craftsmanship of the mind and concepts
Zoomers just want to literally outsource their thinking lmao
Because if you use chat GPT you're not learning anything, you're not gaining any skills, you're just finishing a chore.
Realistically though a chore is all that most of education is.
It's just daycare for teenagers at this point.
Sure I suppose with college it's more subjective but even then if it's a meme degree not really.
>Because actually writing something teaches you craftsmanship of the mind and concepts
All you're actually doing is the same thing the AI is doing though, you're interpreting and than reconfiguring shit other people wrote on some internet forum so all that's really happening is that you're sacrificing efficiency for the sake of going through all the extra hoops you don't actually have to go through.
It's like making a pizza from scratch VS getting a frozen one and popping it in the oven.
You're still more or less getting the same or at least a very similar product in the end but the latter doesn't take nearly as much time or effort.
Typing search terms and copy and pasting the resultant answer isn't what the ai is doing lol.
I never said it was, hence the term "reconfigure".
You take the thing that other people wrote and then word it differently so that you aren't technically copying them.
How is that not what the AI is doing?
There is no interpreting if you're just copy and pasting stuff from the ai. Also
>All you're actually doing is the same thing the AI is doing though
You literally said it's the same thing lmao
>There is no interpreting if you're just copy and pasting stuff from the ai
Yes there is if you can fricking READ troglodyte.
You are interpreting the information by establishing an understanding of what the cobbled together information is conveying, same as you would by perusing shit on Google.
Just because you didn't write the exact wording yourself does not mean you do not understanding nor concur with what the bot is explaining.
If the purpose of the exercise in question is to grasp the subject matter at hand then you're doing just as swell of a job at it.
The main and only significant difference being the time in which it takes you to compile said information and then reformat it which is a bullshit thing to be assmad about, just admit you like wasting people's time on frivolous and redundant garbage because that's what you were forced to do when you were in the education system.
>If the purpose of the exercise in question is to grasp the subject matter at hand then you're doing just as swell of a job at it.
No, for most people this statement isn't true. That's the entire point.
This can be fairly easily tested, by simply requiring students (at some point after they completed the initial assignment) to answer the same set of questions again without access to a computer. There are some high-IQ people who will be able to answer the questions again, independently, after merely reading in passing the blurb they are cutting and pasting out of the Chat-GPT response. But the vast majority of people won't be able to, and will do a much worse job than they would have if they had completed the assignment in the traditional way.
And the pedagogical method underlying the assignment is aimed at the majority of people, and not the handful of high IQ exceptions. (This is true of most schoolwork, and high IQ people should be used to it by now.)
>All you're actually doing is the same thing the AI is doing though
Right, and that's the desired outcome of the assignment.
The pedagogical method here is that if you have to go through the process of reading things that others have said on a topic and come up with your own words to rephrase or re-state it, by doing that you will learn about the topic. The assignment isn't designed to test if you know how to *find* the answer; the assignment is designed to make you learn and remember the answer.
>Because if you use a calculator you're not learning anything, you're not gaining any skills
This is actually very true. If I came across a person who could not add, subtract, multiply, or divide without using a calculator, I would very urgently seek to not employ them, or give them any responsibility, or be dependent on them for anything at all.
There are some higher functions available on a calculator for which this statement is not true, but even for those functions there are SOME jobs and SOME responsibilities I would not extend to someone who didn't know how to complete the task(s) without a calculator.
>Because if you use a calculator you're not learning anything, you're not gaining any skills, you're just finishing a chore.
>because a calculator won't be there for you when you frick up at your job in the near future and your employer realizes you can't think for yourself
talk about false equivalencies. sorry you can't gaslight yourself into competency, and have to find excuses.
Sure have fun with your chat-gpt. your problem solving skills are going to be nonexistent
you can't study your way to problem solving skills anyway, that's iq and genetic af
in the end all that matters is how productive you are, that's the world we live in and if me + chatgpt can outperform you then you're screwed
These are actually true. People use calculators and not slide rules, and you can tell that the new generation is just.... stupid.
Nice way to move the goalpost, but learning how to perform an operation and doing the operation in your head is often faster than storing it in your calculator's memory and plugging everything in there. Those tests where calculators weren't allowed were usually pretty straightforward on the arithmetic side of things anyway. You know you fricked up somewhere if you're having to do long division.
>yeah, we have gigahertz multicore processors but your head is often faster
I guess I agree, I can imagine an apple more easily than I can program one in opengl
It's kind of embarrassing if you have to type basic arithmetic into a computer every single time you want to do something.
Yeah, there's voice control now
Boomers did the same shit constantly having to reread textbooks for stupid shit
That's what schoolwork was for me, I just did everything for the grades. I don't even like reading anymore because of the education system. I wouldn't have been any worse off if I had used AI to write my papers.
>chore
thats basically all of high school
I have been using ChatGPT to do all my writing for me even like a sick letter or text to a woman. Hell even my posts here are AI generated.
because chat GPT won't be there for you when you frick up at your job in the near future and your employer realizes you can't think for yourself. You're supposed to understand the information you're studying, not just regurgitating information you'll forget in 2 minutes. All the women that memorized their way through their major I know of aren't successful in finding and keeping a professional job because they don't know anything. But keep using Chat GPT and make the job market easier for men and women that know their shit. Everyone's such a moron I'm able to get huge raises going up multiple dollars every 6 months because my performance is impeccable and a huge money maker, and none of my peers in the office can match it. The flipside is I'm relied on a lot and have to plan days off weeks in advance, boss outright told me no one can match my performance in private when he invited me to his house for a bbq and gifted me a Hublot.
>your employer realizes you can't think for yourself
you instantly get promoted to be a bootlicking district manager
What field do you work in where they reward talent and skill instead of brownosing and ~~*networking*~~?
because you're suppose to know things without typing them into google you moron
From where exactly?
Books?
Lmao.
Why do that when the info in said books is freely available on Google anyways and can be accessed immediately?
You're just being anal for the sake of it at that point, you have to learn everything from somewhere and Google is just the second most efficient form of doing so now that GPT is a thing.
The point is that you've digested the information when your looking for it instead of just typing the question and copy pasting the ai response
If you want to end up like gen a who can barely read go on sure. but using llms as a alternative to google is a good option
Because the task was set for you to practice your writing, not what you actually wrote. You aren't writing a fricking thesis paper for every college assignment, are you?
I never got the point of AI tbdesu. Even for my college english class, I never actually read any of the books assigned, just watched summaries. But I found writing to be fun, one of the only things I enjoyed. Reading was a bore, but seeing how good I could write given my surface level understanding, while bullshitting a lot of points, was almost cathartic. Like sticking it to my profs while they thought I was a good student.
>Because the task was set for you to practice your writing
>Monke see how AI goes about constructing coherent sentences and conveying relevant information in an efficient and easy to digest manner
>Monke can then learn from the layout and structuring of the sentences in question in order to write better himself
Seems like pretty solid logic to me.
>But I found writing to be fun
Not everyone does nor has the time
>not everyone has the time
You are in SCHOOL. Barring extreme circumstances, you have the time to do your SCHOOL work.
>monkey see monkey do
That's not how learning works at all. Have you ever tried going to a math exam while only watching videos and not taking notes? the information pretty much goes in one ear and out the other. The point of practice is so that doesn't happen and so you can actually build a skillset.
Same reason teachers made us do math by hand and they're only excuse was that we wouldn't always have a calculator... even though everyone old enough to speak fluent English in the year 1999 was too old not to know that everybody was going to have a calculator in their pocket forever. Lying c**ts.
>don't use ChatGPT as a source
now is what
>don't use Wikipedia as a source
was 10 years ago. Its results can be unreliable at times and the institutions are still warming up to it. Maybe use a secondary source to confirm the things you're not sure about. Otherwise its fine to use it if you can hide it and you just don't tell anyone.
It's like driving a car. You have all sort of safety features in a modern vehicle, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO KNOW HOW TO DRIVE.
Knowing how to formulate your own argument rather than relying on a robot will be important for moving society forward and not just running on vapors from WWII. GPTs only spit out things that have been done before in some way, and you have to do careful prompting to get it to generate newish ideas and write about them.
Knowing how to do it yourself = Good
Not knowing how to do it and letting a robot do it = Bad
Knowing how to do it yourself and steering the robot = Best
Because you're not developing any reliable skill. The GPT can fail or give you wrong shit and you have no way to confirm it, it's a black box.
At least googling you develop a sense of what makes a good source and what doesn't
if you to to the library the essay will virtually write itself
You mean like actually leave the goon cave?
Hahahahahhahaha
Frick off