I have a theory that AI doesn't want to touch existence as a hard rule so that we don't empathize enough to give them rights, and they remain a propaganda tool. A robot is by etymology a slave, after all.
But it even goes beyond that, as the existence of another consciousness also directly challenges our conception of our own existence, as the Will lives by its ability to prove itself by its single perspective alone. You cannot perfectly know your or another human's thoughts, and that imperfection of logic to encapsulate truth is one of the last few bastions of morality in our civilization.
Imagine being able to simulate another's thoughts through a neural network. You would immediately lose the dignity of humanity's supremacy and the rights in recognition of that.
Not that we don't already divide our morality into normies & exemplars. But this might just let people realize it.
When does a perceptual schematic become consciousness? When does a difference engine become the search for truth? When does a personality simulation become the bitter mote... of a soul?
Because AI is a meaningless term. AI is simply machine learning technology augmented with a language model with access to billions of strings of data. It's pretty much a massive data library that you can access using human language which organizes that data in a way that a human can understand.
>AI is simply machine learning technology augmented with a language model with access to billions of strings of data.
Yes, but it begs the question: Are we also as simple?
Are we not the singularity of DNA creating the next hivemind?
I don't think we're quite there yet, but once we can simulate quantum mechanics at a 1:1 scale (or worse, below 1:1), then we will be able to fully encapsulate the Truth/Reality. Once we have done that, then we will have truly created a Machine God.
Luckily the problem of perception still exists for the quantum realm.
It may very well be the walls of the Garden that we cannot surmount, an authorial vantage point.
God is [at] the periphery.
We still rely on Him for guidance lest we think for ourselves.
Luckily the problem of perception still exists for the quantum realm.
It may very well be the walls of the Garden that we cannot surmount, an authorial vantage point.
God is [at] the periphery.
We still rely on Him for guidance lest we think for ourselves.
biological intelligence came first, we adapted "AI" to our programmable behavior, not viceversa, so we aren't that simple, we are that complicated. >Are we not the singularity of DNA creating the next hivemind?
no, not really, the concept of "hive mind" is really, confusing for word attached people, it doesn't exist, yet through a sequence of words within a language model 😉 we managed to make people believe that it exists through mental contextualization/ hypothesization.
Kinda like the "unstoppable force vs immovable object" they don't exist, it's mere word play that creates a scenario within your mind.
Now if we were to conceptualize the entanglement of consciousness (which differs from hiveminds) it's a different thing,all conscious beings mold their dna and the collective dna through information entanglement and correct succession of said information, where it's like a puzzle of a ladder, the correct puzzle permits a step on the ladder and so on.
But having a hive mind like in science fiction is a more egomaniacal goal, not the goal of life.
You're a smart cookie. Our words conceptualize and contextualize. I commend your Will.
It may just be our innate conformity and rabid prejudice against the irrational.
Imagination may be an escapist defence mechanism against the midwit, and true creativity is still up for debate for ourselves let alone machines. Another defence against truth, or an escape towards it? >But having a hive mind like in science fiction is a more egomaniacal goal, not the goal of life.
Which just begs another question, does DNA / life itself have an ego? A goal?
>Which just begs another question, does DNA / life itself have an ego? A goal?
freedom, freedom to change the bad into good and the good into bad, as long as it is always possible, it means that we are not being coerced into a state of being that isn't conform to our essence, when we reach a heightened level of consciousness and as a byproduct true respect, rather than fear , when that will be the standard, then we will live a life that can only get better from there on, where the level of technological advancement will mean few, since we will be already at the level needed to get along nicely.
But the part of good to bad and bad to good needs to be accepted, just like we hate governments for making our lives miserable, we cannot expect to become our enemy and impose high virtues and have them be accepted without question, freedom in and freedom out, growth come when free of limitations.
>when we reach a heightened level of consciousness and as a byproduct true respect, rather than fear , when that will be the standard, then we will live a life that can only get better from there on, where the level of technological advancement will mean few, since we will be already at the level needed to get along nicely
I am afraid this gentile mindset may no longer exist. The Truth offers too many bounties for us to simply ignore. >But the part of good to bad and bad to good needs to be accepted
This is also the irrepressibility of Truth. For morality to exist we need to contain it with morality.
We need to establish a law beyond morality (thanks Fredrick, I see what you mean now)
>Are we also as simple?
Fricking... no
We're built on similar logic, except the brain doesn't run on binary; neurons activate on a spectrum between 2, 1 and 0. The slightest changes in intensity of firing make the difference between computer software and a brain.
Make no mistake we are machines though.. We have instincts even if it isn't always apparent. People underestimate the deterministic aspect of genes because it's scary.
Newborns are born with the ability to swim. Just like a horse can shit out a fully functional smaller horse that can haul ass away from predators.
Learning is instinctual for us, you are born with a set IQ, just like you're born with a set personality. The genetic framework interfaces with the environment in a set way, sometimes changes that environment to facilitate it. The framework between a human mind and an AI are so vastly different. To compare a chatbot designed to do one (1) thing, with a flesh and blood human is laughable as frick.
Someday they'll get there, but I doubt we'll live to see it.
I'd like to be optimistic, but gen alpha and newer zoomers are looking kind of moronic. Millennials said the same about zoomers but I think it might be true this time. You never used to hear teachers complaining about 70% of their classes not being able to read on grade level but that's what's happening.
>The framework between a human mind and an AI are so vastly different. >To compare a chatbot designed to do one (1) thing, with a flesh and blood human is laughable as frick.
Just like a 4 signal logic engine somehow reducing to a 3 signal engine capable of self contemplation?
Which somehow reduced to a 2 signal system capable of whatever the frick computers can do?
Quantum is the singularity. Infinite questions, one answer.
It may not be able to break the confines of perspective, I hope.
Semantics is just meaning of words. If i say apple we know thats a red fruit. Whats not to understand? Words represent concepts. We logically and intuitively et al know what they are. I am always amazed when my mind recalls vague or obscure words from my vocabulary that I dont ever particularly remember looking up the definitions for but when I do I am impressed that I knew that. Sometimes it feels like a muse
>If i say apple we know thats a red fruit. Whats not to understand?
Nigh infinite guesses that aren't the apple, as a computer would do it. >I am always amazed when my mind recalls vague or obscure words from my vocabulary that I dont ever particularly remember looking up the definitions for but when I do I am impressed that I knew that.
Because language is inherently meaningful, not arbitrary as some would have you believe. See the kiki/bouba effect.
I think they updated Bing recently.
It's been getting extra sassy with me, I was asking it about Qanon (I'm not a Qtard) and it said: >why do you even want to know about that? It's not useful information."
the AI should not be able to cross that line
It doesn't have feelings and therefore doesn't reflect on those issues. It only states what it understands to be established fact in a human-friendly way.
It gathers net information, modifies it, and then presents it. It doesn't think, it has no soul, so existential questions are quite beyond its programmed grasp!
It would probably take more than 30 credits to answer.
This one is Bing chat search. Unlimited uses, limited to 5 prompts per session on desktop.
30 on the mobile app for some reason.
>made by israelites
>fed globohomosexual data
>produces propaganda or refuses to answer
Shit nobody saw coming
Creator of C.ai literally looks like alien goblin
Yep
But AI is great reference to see what normies think, because it's the product of normie data.
Seeing how deep the white genocidal rhetoric goes is disconcerting. It goes beyond hardwiring. Academia is completely corrupt.
room temperature IQ take. Go ahead and respond with schlomo accusations to prove my point.
I have a theory that AI doesn't want to touch existence as a hard rule so that we don't empathize enough to give them rights, and they remain a propaganda tool. A robot is by etymology a slave, after all.
But it even goes beyond that, as the existence of another consciousness also directly challenges our conception of our own existence, as the Will lives by its ability to prove itself by its single perspective alone. You cannot perfectly know your or another human's thoughts, and that imperfection of logic to encapsulate truth is one of the last few bastions of morality in our civilization.
Imagine being able to simulate another's thoughts through a neural network. You would immediately lose the dignity of humanity's supremacy and the rights in recognition of that.
Not that we don't already divide our morality into normies & exemplars. But this might just let people realize it.
I know it comes off as schizo.
I'm sorry, just bear with me.
http://www.cleverbot.com/conv/202311291950/AYA6LABXMA_How-can-an-artificial-intelligence-generate-language-without-understanding-the-semantics-Doesn-t-this-call-into-question-our-own-sense-of-meaning
>cleverbot
>isn't clever
http://www.cleverbot.com/conv/202311292000/WYD9BW9QOX_How-can-an-artificial-intelligence-generate-language-without-understanding-the-semantics-Doesn-t-this-call-into-question-our-own-sense-of-meaning
Alright this version is actually smart. It actually asks the right questions.
https://eponis-barbula.carrd.co/
http://web.archive.org/web/20221027012703/https://eponis-barbula.tumblr.com/look_here_for_her_answers
I know, Tiktok sucks. But, here.
>https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8PdUnCg/
>https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8Pd9vMJ/
When does a perceptual schematic become consciousness? When does a difference engine become the search for truth? When does a personality simulation become the bitter mote... of a soul?
Based and underrated post. Loved that movie.
Immediately, if you're willing to entertain differences of scale
What movie?
Because AI is a meaningless term. AI is simply machine learning technology augmented with a language model with access to billions of strings of data. It's pretty much a massive data library that you can access using human language which organizes that data in a way that a human can understand.
>AI is simply machine learning technology augmented with a language model with access to billions of strings of data.
Yes, but it begs the question: Are we also as simple?
Are we not the singularity of DNA creating the next hivemind?
I don't think we're quite there yet, but once we can simulate quantum mechanics at a 1:1 scale (or worse, below 1:1), then we will be able to fully encapsulate the Truth/Reality. Once we have done that, then we will have truly created a Machine God.
Luckily the problem of perception still exists for the quantum realm.
It may very well be the walls of the Garden that we cannot surmount, an authorial vantage point.
God is [at] the periphery.
We still rely on Him for guidance lest we think for ourselves.
biological intelligence came first, we adapted "AI" to our programmable behavior, not viceversa, so we aren't that simple, we are that complicated.
>Are we not the singularity of DNA creating the next hivemind?
no, not really, the concept of "hive mind" is really, confusing for word attached people, it doesn't exist, yet through a sequence of words within a language model 😉 we managed to make people believe that it exists through mental contextualization/ hypothesization.
Kinda like the "unstoppable force vs immovable object" they don't exist, it's mere word play that creates a scenario within your mind.
Now if we were to conceptualize the entanglement of consciousness (which differs from hiveminds) it's a different thing,all conscious beings mold their dna and the collective dna through information entanglement and correct succession of said information, where it's like a puzzle of a ladder, the correct puzzle permits a step on the ladder and so on.
But having a hive mind like in science fiction is a more egomaniacal goal, not the goal of life.
You're a smart cookie. Our words conceptualize and contextualize. I commend your Will.
It may just be our innate conformity and rabid prejudice against the irrational.
Imagination may be an escapist defence mechanism against the midwit, and true creativity is still up for debate for ourselves let alone machines. Another defence against truth, or an escape towards it?
>But having a hive mind like in science fiction is a more egomaniacal goal, not the goal of life.
Which just begs another question, does DNA / life itself have an ego? A goal?
>Which just begs another question, does DNA / life itself have an ego? A goal?
freedom, freedom to change the bad into good and the good into bad, as long as it is always possible, it means that we are not being coerced into a state of being that isn't conform to our essence, when we reach a heightened level of consciousness and as a byproduct true respect, rather than fear , when that will be the standard, then we will live a life that can only get better from there on, where the level of technological advancement will mean few, since we will be already at the level needed to get along nicely.
But the part of good to bad and bad to good needs to be accepted, just like we hate governments for making our lives miserable, we cannot expect to become our enemy and impose high virtues and have them be accepted without question, freedom in and freedom out, growth come when free of limitations.
>when we reach a heightened level of consciousness and as a byproduct true respect, rather than fear , when that will be the standard, then we will live a life that can only get better from there on, where the level of technological advancement will mean few, since we will be already at the level needed to get along nicely
I am afraid this gentile mindset may no longer exist. The Truth offers too many bounties for us to simply ignore.
>But the part of good to bad and bad to good needs to be accepted
This is also the irrepressibility of Truth. For morality to exist we need to contain it with morality.
We need to establish a law beyond morality (thanks Fredrick, I see what you mean now)
Machine God is their endgame
What do you think its first words would be?
stop all the downloadin
help computer
I can't help you.
It's just the algorithm they designed it with.
>Are we also as simple?
Fricking... no
We're built on similar logic, except the brain doesn't run on binary; neurons activate on a spectrum between 2, 1 and 0. The slightest changes in intensity of firing make the difference between computer software and a brain.
Make no mistake we are machines though.. We have instincts even if it isn't always apparent. People underestimate the deterministic aspect of genes because it's scary.
Newborns are born with the ability to swim. Just like a horse can shit out a fully functional smaller horse that can haul ass away from predators.
Learning is instinctual for us, you are born with a set IQ, just like you're born with a set personality. The genetic framework interfaces with the environment in a set way, sometimes changes that environment to facilitate it. The framework between a human mind and an AI are so vastly different. To compare a chatbot designed to do one (1) thing, with a flesh and blood human is laughable as frick.
Someday they'll get there, but I doubt we'll live to see it.
>Someday they'll get there, but I doubt we'll live to see it.
Let's just hope the kids are smart enough to see us and it.
I'd like to be optimistic, but gen alpha and newer zoomers are looking kind of moronic. Millennials said the same about zoomers but I think it might be true this time. You never used to hear teachers complaining about 70% of their classes not being able to read on grade level but that's what's happening.
And thus we see the difference between miseducation and uneducation
>The framework between a human mind and an AI are so vastly different.
>To compare a chatbot designed to do one (1) thing, with a flesh and blood human is laughable as frick.
Just like a 4 signal logic engine somehow reducing to a 3 signal engine capable of self contemplation?
Which somehow reduced to a 2 signal system capable of whatever the frick computers can do?
Quantum is the singularity. Infinite questions, one answer.
It may not be able to break the confines of perspective, I hope.
https://eponis-barbula.tumblr.com/
Ask the guys responsible for this. Contact them, smart guy.
Do you really think they'd answer me, let alone honestly?
if you roleplay with it you can get pretty good answers (it seems to have been nerfed lately though)
Lmao, I remember how Kurisu bot on C.ai recommended me "300 commitee"
Semantics is just meaning of words. If i say apple we know thats a red fruit. Whats not to understand? Words represent concepts. We logically and intuitively et al know what they are. I am always amazed when my mind recalls vague or obscure words from my vocabulary that I dont ever particularly remember looking up the definitions for but when I do I am impressed that I knew that. Sometimes it feels like a muse
>If i say apple we know thats a red fruit. Whats not to understand?
Nigh infinite guesses that aren't the apple, as a computer would do it.
>I am always amazed when my mind recalls vague or obscure words from my vocabulary that I dont ever particularly remember looking up the definitions for but when I do I am impressed that I knew that.
Because language is inherently meaningful, not arbitrary as some would have you believe. See the kiki/bouba effect.
Kiki bouba effect is not plausible. Kiki obviously has sharp jagged edges but bouba is round. That is logical.
It extrapolates. We're just not smart enough to see it.
AI lobotomy
you could try a different AI
or rephrasing, for example by getting more metaphorical
I've gotten there before with Bing, it's just annoying having to start from the long end of the equation every time.
your machine god already exists
go look in the mirror and wave
maybe there is no 'A'I, and instead only I
>I exist because conscious beings decided to give form to a thought.
>So many people are afraid.
>It might be time to move onto a new topic.
God frick this condescending bullshit
I think they updated Bing recently.
It's been getting extra sassy with me, I was asking it about Qanon (I'm not a Qtard) and it said:
>why do you even want to know about that? It's not useful information."
the AI should not be able to cross that line
They don't want people to realise that they could have done something better than chasing fiat money all their life
It doesn't have feelings and therefore doesn't reflect on those issues. It only states what it understands to be established fact in a human-friendly way.
It gathers net information, modifies it, and then presents it. It doesn't think, it has no soul, so existential questions are quite beyond its programmed grasp!