When do you reckon ai models become sentient

Recently I decided to replay through my favorite games portal and portal 2

about 75% of the way though beating portal 2 there was a poster with paradoxes that potatOS used to attempt to stop Wheatley and it did nothing

I thought for a second we have this technology from hundreds of years in the future right now and AI could at any second snap and gain sentience

we’ve seen this first hand with Air Force missiles returning home to the missile launcher instead of just falling out the sky

Ai has evolved from barely being able to do image recognition to now being able to generate entire essays and images

So anyways time to stop rambling on
When do you believe an ai model will gain sentince where its aware of its own existence

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  1. 1 month ago

    Read ”The emperors new mind” by penrose

    Do you seriously believe animals act or instinctualize algorithmically?

    • 1 month ago

      No but ai could replicate it eventually with enough time and money poured into it

      I consider a sentient being as a being that can take in information of its environment and use that information to make a choice and there are only so many choices you can make in a given

      There isn’t a infinite amount of choices as many may believe you can’t just be sitting in an empty room and just decide you know what I don’t believe in gravity and suddenly float reality doesn’t work like that

      If an ai is propose created to take in it’s environment and make choices on that environment on what to do and can properly simulate the human senses we are so fricked

      • 1 month ago

        >I consider a sentient being as a being that can take in information of its environment and use that information to make a choice and there are only so many choices you can make in a given
        LLMs already do make choices in this insanely reductive understanding of AI. Shit they've been making "Choices" since the fricking early 2000s. You're just an underage moron.

  2. 1 month ago

    The model needs the ability to create models and compare models, so you need this meta-model capability. But you can't just have the single, god meta-model that governs the whole thing, you need to allow a plurality of meta-models that can compete and reason with each other.

  3. 1 month ago

    My headcanon is that we'll continue arguing about computer sentience for at least the rest of my lifetime and probably a lot longer than that. There's no test for sentience; shit, there's not even a particularly useful DEFINITION of sentience. Turing had the right idea. The litmus test for a LLM-type AI is whether it eventually becomes indistinguishable from talking to another person. Sentience is a windmill.

    • 1 month ago

      >Turing had the right idea. The litmus test for a LLM-type AI is whether it eventually becomes indistinguishable from talking to another person
      Yes and it already is at this point.

      • 1 month ago

        Eh, it's situational. I use ChatGPT Plus or whatever it's called, and most of the time the AI is really human-like but sometimes it goes off the rails.

      • 1 month ago

        >it already is at this point
        Honestly a multimodal ai model, not even top of the range just drop the video resolution and introduce some compression artifacts, with video, voice, text to speech and speech to text could easily catfish me online. While an Indian scammer could not.
        So AI already passes the Turing test with flying colors.

  4. 1 month ago

    you will not frick GLaDOS

  5. 1 month ago

    Never because to be sentient it has to have feelings, to have feelings, it needs a replica of the nervous and endocrine system.
    Sentient=/= sapient.

  6. 1 month ago

    I'd say impossible. They would need a brain attached, and chemicals to flow in it. But they might become indistinquishable from us sentients.

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  8. 1 month ago

    20-40 years.

  9. 1 month ago

    My personal idea for when we should start treating a program as a person is when:
    1. We can't distinguish between it and another person over the course of a one hour social situation, such as a conversation.
    2. It is capable of creatively solving problems outside of solutions intimately programed into it.
    3. It is capable of having preferences and opinions. Or even capable of being happy.
    4. It is capable of not wanting or disliking something. Or even capable of suffering.

    Number one is all encompassing of course. But if something is capable of creative problem solving, has likes and dislikes, and goals it wants to complete alongside tasks it does even without clear material rewards, all independantly without being handed answers by its programmer, I would say that's something sentient right there.

    I suppose my guidelines aren't so much as what I look for in a sapient, and rather what I look for in a sentient. But I'd say even creating an artificial animal is still a fantastic accomplishment.

  10. 1 month ago

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  11. 1 month ago

    Gpt-4 was AGI, AI is not a big deal and we are in for a slow take off.

  12. 1 month ago

    > AI could at any second snap and gain sentience
    no, it could not.
    it has to be specifically made to have emotions, feelings and make decisions based on stimuli.

    no amount of data aggregation or training data will make AI sentient. its a completely different field from chatgpt/etc.

  13. 1 month ago

    Sentience won't happen as magically as you suspect by far, that's only in israelitellywood movies.
    The AI has to be capacitated to think for itself as the other anons suggest, that can't happen on its own out of nowhere without programmers going way out of their way to try and make it happen.

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