Artists are now trying to poison AI with fake training data

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  1. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    This could be an interesting thread about how such technology might work. But it's not gonna be a thread about that.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      I mean isn't this just adding nonsense noise. Identifying noncritical pixels to the piece that with tweaking can create pseudo patterns for the AI to pick up on. Then when attempting to recreate the pattern you get noise instead.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        *applies 1% of random noise before training and/or upscales and/or downscales and/or trains using bajillion pre-existing images that don't use this tech and then uses yours with above mentioned mitigations for finetune*

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        That noise is just registered as noise, then, unless it's consistently applied to every image where 'apple' is tagged.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      yeah because it's snake oil

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      this is at minimum the 4th time they've "broken" stable diffusion training
      it always just boils down to "make the image look like shit to own the AI chuds"

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Its about making the image look like shit without getting filtered from the data set.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          Glazing was solved in a week. This shit will be solved in a week. The only thing this is going to achieve is that inkcels make their doodles look even shittier than they were.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            this is how new movements in art start

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >creator of glaze
            doesn't bode well, is there a paper, all I'm seeing is a bunch of fluff news articles

            >One of the things we learned since first deploying Glaze in march 2023 was that we did not understand how artists typically worked. Many work primarily on mobile devices, and few had access to powerful computers with GPUs.

            Holy shit, bot is actually right about zoomers. They do not even have PCs, lmao.

            • 6 months ago
              Anonymous

              I'm a (20 year old) zoomer but it was wild to learn how many of my coworkers, a substantial amount of them being older than me, don't have a desktop or even a laptop at home. They're just as surprised to learn I don't have a phone

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                this post for some reason reminds me of the old copypasta of anon going through fps reload animations whiile rotating his hips and bending hiis knees to "dance" at a club.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yeaaah... I'm gonna need sauce.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous
          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Glazing was solved in a week
            ?

            • 6 months ago
              Anonymous

              Yesh

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >creator of glaze
          doesn't bode well, is there a paper, all I'm seeing is a bunch of fluff news articles

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yes here's the paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/2310.13828

            Fwiw image2dataset and other scraping tools has hash verification. So you can't swap out images from existing datasets like for example the LAION to poison the data.
            The work from the nightshade team seems legit though. But yeah, dunno, it seems like fixing these adverserial example is tantamount to development in computer vision. Would like to hear the opinion from an expert though

            • 6 months ago
              Anonymous

              I read the article and it is a huge nothingburger.
              >What if we take a picture of a cat and blend it into the picture of a dog?
              Guess what, moron, this shit is trivial to detect.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Trivially to detect
                Automatically? They claimed it wasn't trivially detectable in the paper... I can't really say either way as I'm not an expert, but what makes you say it is?

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                >They claimed it wasn't trivially detectable in the paper...
                It isn't visually detected (by a human). In the paper they say that this additional image must have strong recall in the generational model, so it will be detected by AI and then filtered out by a human.
                >AI says there should be a dog AND a cat on the pic, but I don't see any cat. Into the trash it goes.
                Also they rely on knowing the architecture of the AI model. I suspect that the future AI models will include something that works like "salt" in the "salted hash". Some preliminary or intermediate step with a fixed seed that makes the AI weights completely different and immune to such targeted attacks.

            • 6 months ago
              Anonymous

              I just read the paper. The technique that they use is that they use an existing model for embedding both the prompt, the anchor image. Then they generate a new image that looks like the anchor image, but that is close in embedding feature space to the anchor image.

              This should not be transferable across models. But, you can see by their experimental results that it actually sort of is. Why?

              Well, they essentially rely on the fact that all the publicly available text-image models out there are trained on the same set of data. They chose to only benchmark models trained on LAION. Then, when they went to select some example images to poison, where did they get them? That's right, from LAION. This is highly problematic. They do not disclose this.

              So, the technique relies on knowing what specific dataset they're training on. And, ideally, the exact model weights that they're trying to finetune. Even if those issues weren't present, the evaluation is still flawed because they finetune by overwriting data that's already in the training set.

              However, all this is not to say that the technique doesn't work. It probably does. It's probably a very effective way to poison datasets, since, again, everyone uses LAION and Stable Diffusion. If you can figure out a way to post a bunch of these poisoned text-image pairs and point LAION's scraper at it, you could probably do some damage if you wanted to.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                So essentially it confuses the AI because it can't distinguish between the two classes of image?
                ...but wouldn't then training on a set including that data teach it a better representation of classes, and defeat itself? Does this only defeat fine-tuning, which has a highly curated dataset regardless?

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                not him but any technique designed to attack/defeat AIs just ends up being a new way to train the AI to handle such information

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                Stable Diffusion models are trained on text-image pairs. Specifically, they're trained to minimize the distance between their understanding of the text and their understanding of the image. Using the understanding of the text, they start with RGB noise, then iteratively denoise in the literal direction (because it's a vector) of its understanding of the image. After 50 to 500 iterations or so, you have your generated image.

                So, by constructing a poison image that's roughly halfway between the text and the anchor image (up to some |delta| < p for each iteration of denoising), then training on it, you're moving the concepts closer to each other in the text/image understanding vectorspace. This leads to the model confusing the concepts with each other.

                This effect is made even more powerful due to the sparsity of the concepts. There are a lot of different concepts out there on the internet. Compute budgets are only so large. There may only be 100 text-image pairs of mickey mouse that you train on. If you add 500 poison images to the dataset replacing mickey mouse with anal sex, the concepts are going to end up basically on top of each other and you're going to end up with basically mickey mouse equals anal sex. But, crucially, without actually including any extra images to the dataset that a human could look at and identify as such.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                Wouldn't that only apply to a frozen text encoder? Otherwise, the "middle point" will change right? I guess experimentally it works for a sufficiently small number of samples, but I don't understand why repeatedly training on the poison samples(in addition to the other samples) wouldn't cause the model and text encoder to learn to differentiate them.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                So they can poison LAION by tricking trainers into thinking a dog is a cat? Somehow I think that's better than it already thinking a dog is a <b>50% off buy one now</b> on our blog only available for a limited time in Vancouver! Stop by today and you won't regret it!
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              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, tbh it's hard to imagine LAION getting any more poisoned.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >how such technology might work
      It cannot. If it actually changes something for AI then it is trivial to add a filter to remove such data.
      And, if it is available openly it is even possible to crack it and fix the data.

      >online artists hate capitalism and the concept of money and copyright in general, want everything for free
      >suddenly, art is free and open
      >online artists are mad
      I, for one, LOVE seeing these entitled homosexuals have their livelihoods ruined.

      Yeah, the only way to not be replaced is to draw something that AI will not do because of "ethics" or other shit - dicky, xenophobia, copyrighted materials.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >dicky, xenophobia, copyrighted materials
        SD can do all of that. What it struggles with is any coherent interactions which is also a challenge for most of the artgays.
        Nothing changes for good artists obviously.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      the problem with nightshade is you have to poison your own art for it to work. it wont work for the same reasons condom doesn't work; user wont put it on since it makes the experience worse.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Gemerald

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >
        >Gemerald

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >online artists hate capitalism and the concept of money and copyright in general, want everything for free
      >suddenly, art is free and open
      >online artists are mad
      I, for one, LOVE seeing these entitled homosexuals have their livelihoods ruined.

      beautiful

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >might work
      There's always loopholes to avoid restrictions or sabotages in every regard of life

  2. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >online artists hate capitalism and the concept of money and copyright in general, want everything for free
    >suddenly, art is free and open
    >online artists are mad
    I, for one, LOVE seeing these entitled homosexuals have their livelihoods ruined.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      From what few discussions I've had, they love copyright solely because it prevents Disney from "stealing" Clara the non-binary green haired demoness, however they have no issues in drawing her on a pirated copy of Clip Studio Paint running on a pirated copy of Windows. Also artists should be paid residuals but don't even consider making your drawing program they weren't even gonna pay for anyway require a subscription

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Clara the non-binary green haired demoness
        ¿

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's a stand-in for whatever shit they don't want a big company to not "steal"

          the thing that breaks my brain is that if copywrite didn't exist they could just use popular characters indiscriminately and thus pwn shitney hard but noooo obviously bizney will somehow cuck them when they have zero talent.

          I've argued this and their counter is "Well, I can draw Disney characters if I want to anyway+Clara the non-binary green-haired demoness means a lot more to me than that"

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        the thing that breaks my brain is that if copywrite didn't exist they could just use popular characters indiscriminately and thus pwn shitney hard but noooo obviously bizney will somehow cuck them when they have zero talent.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      They're not *real* artists anyway.
      Being an artist isn't about your homosexual ego-trip; it's about the art. The art is all that matters. The art is a vision of beauty. It reaches to the infinite beyond and serves up a morsel for us lowly flesh suits to marvel at.
      Real artists know this.
      Real artists don't have a temper tantrum because their bloated identity and goybux are in jeopardy.

      So yes, seeing these homosexuals ruined and freaking the frick out is just the universe balancing itself.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Based. The closest I can relate to this is making shitty reaction pics and OC. I do it for free because it is fun and I like it when people enjoy it enough to repost it.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        And this is why most arts ended up poor, because they did it for the chase not for fame and money.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        boohoo work for free you stupid pansy drawgays

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          this but unironically
          t. drawgay working for free

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            it's nice to have passion 😀 I do wish artgays were financially secure so we wouldn't be having this debate in the first place.

            I don't want to dehumanize these people though. Something somewhere somewhen went very wrong with our society for them to end up like this, these people aren't evil, they've just been stranded in this little corner of their souls, unable to escape, their mindscape gradually following by closing out understanding of their fellow human beings. It slowly has turned into hatred, for petty differences, muddling the spirit of humanity within them. Yes, a lot of zoomer stuff is cringe but these zoomers are also just trying to find their place in the world, they're learning, I did too and the generation before mine hated it, it's natural, differences are natural, hate is too but you can hate without dehumanizing, you can disagree without turning the other into a a mere shadow of what they really are. If you are ready to support soulless emergent automatons over a fellow human, you really need to calm down, stop and understand that person.

            We create art for many reasons, not just to consume it. Why am i writing this rant? I know there will be dudes like [...] and i know that this rant will not make a shred of a difference where this tech is headed but i want to tell how i feel, nothing more. That's all the reason i need. That's all the reason art needs, there's no motive purer than that.

            I know I started this rant aggressively and that's because that's how i felt at that time, but seriously, i still love you all anons, and all other people too([...] too ofc), there's differences, yes, and ill get angry and call you all morons, yes, but i still love you, and i don't need a reason for that. I hate ai simply because it shuts off many opportunities for people i love to express themselves. This rant was just a long winded way to express that.

            Most humans don't have the money or time to learn art. For those who chose art as their way to make money, most professional artists don't have time or money to truly improve or make what they actually want to make. In a world of ever-increasing speed and pressure, AI allows me, a former drawgay, to just sit down, relax, and "make" after work. It's not as good as the real thing but I'm too tired and busy for the real thing now.

            I think for "retired" artists or for people who are too frustrated to learn art, AI will become an important channel for expressing oneself. Way more people have "artist vision" than I previously thought. The practice of their hands deploying what their minds sees was limiting to what they wanted to communicate. They want to put their dreams out there while still living their current lives. AI art generation is beautiful, but its potential for misuse is too great to ignore.

            I want to see what non-artists would make if they were artists. I don't want art to be limited by years of practice, years of hating yourself for not being good enough.

            • 6 months ago
              Anonymous

              >just sit down, relax, and "make" after work
              Are you really making something if you have no control over it? You are literally just telling someone, in this case someone who is incapable of being inspired or original, to draw it for you. It isn't your creation, you can't look at it and think that you'd draw the same thing too

              >The practice of their hands deploying what their minds sees was limiting to what they wanted to communicate. They want to put their dreams out there while still living their current lives.
              >I want to see what non-artists would make if they were artists. I don't want art to be limited by years of practice, years of hating yourself for not being good enough.
              Art doesn't have to be perfect, it shouldn't be. Art is personal, it reflects the artist, the ai art doesn't reflect your vision, it only reflects your idea - yes, both of these are different. It doesn't matter if your art isn't aesthetically pleasing, it reflects a lot about you. The minor details that only you could have implemented, it isn't 'perfect', but it's better than anything that is simply just that.

              My little brother, a few years back, made a drawing on a big poster sheet. He sat there for 3-4 days making it and it was a movie poster of sorts littered with hundreds of small things like that. There was a joke with the dreamworks logo mascot stealing stuff with his fishing rod and stuff like that. You don't get that with AI, it was all his vision and he implemented it, tuned it, made it work even if it wasn't pretty. It wasn't aesthetically pleasing but it was still better than anything you see in the ai threads here. I mean even their prompts are so uncreative, there's no inspiration there either. That's not what i want, if you do, i can't agree with you, sorry.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                Also, for the anon in

                future incarnations of this technology will be direct brain-to-image. Far superior to text or drawing

                . I actually have no problem with that. As long as the artist has complete control, it's good, it's genuine and im fine with it. Directly building a picture from a picture in your brain is completely fair, it's just an extension of your own abilities, not through a proxy

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                All of that is true. It's a poor replacement, but it's the only one I've got. I don't know that I will ever have the free time or energy to draw more than once every few months. I would like to see the technology advance to a point that helps people bring out their creative side instead of attempting to replace it.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I would like to see the technology advance to a point that helps people bring out their creative side instead of attempting to replace it
                Me too, i just don't think generative AI models are that technology

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          yes

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          People would buy shit that's cool. You could cultivate a following with loyal fans. Any media could do this. All they have to do is not make everything so gay and pandering to some specific group. I'm pretty sure a lot of the people they complain about and the racists would make better shit. Why do movies and games made by gay ass corpo lefty people suck wiener? They can't write non White straight male characters. Everything they make is gay, pandering, and cringe. Nooo if we let this right leaning guy make stuff, he might actually make stuff that everyone enjoys. Noo minorities are gonna like it. I won't let that happen! They're insufferable.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >They're not *real* artists anyway.
        I remember when boomers said the same thing about digital art as a whole lmao

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        You can only make the art you talk about, and focus on art above else if you’re financially secure. Else, your art remains a hobby or side project you may not be able to dedicate much time or practice to because you gotta work for income.
        But since there’s no UBI or handouts for artists specifically, many are forced to make soulless garbage that appeals to companies and the masses, and worry about their ‘goybux’ or else they’ll have to stop being an artist or be unable to pay the bills.

        So if you want real artists who just care about the art and not money, I suggest aiding in creating a system that ensures the livelihood of artists independent of their art output. If that’s not done, your idea of a real artist and real art is restricted to rich kids living off of parents’ wealth who don’t have to worry about income and can spend their time how they please.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          yeah or maybe they could get a full time job doing something they hate like the rest of us and do the art on the weekends, using the misery of waging to enhance the quality of their art

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >rich kids living off of parents’ wealth who don’t have to worry about income and can spend their time how they please.

          i think this is what happened to journalism. when internships in DC pay $20-30k, these are the people who will be applying and getting those jobs.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >creating a system
          That system has existed for a thousand years
          It's called having a patron
          All of the famous artists you've ever heard of before the modern era had rich patrons willing to fund their skills for some say in what the output is going to be

          And there's the real challenge
          In such a system there's no room for mediocre and middling artists, who are the ones complaining.
          Truly skilled artists will never be put out of work no matter the era

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          I spend my wage money on you fartists you ungrateful Black person. only I don't get to sit at home and do what I claim to love. or more accurately, don't do what I claim to love because its toooo hard and AI is mean, and I need 5 weeks to even start on the project you paid me for.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        and this is verbatim why ai jpgs will never be art
        if you can instantly identify the work as ai, you know it is not a thing of beauty

        in the eye of the beholder? nay
        not even a work fit for mom's fridge

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        You can't irreversibly poison a well without ruining your own water supply. Whatever anyone tries to do will be reversible. Even then, it's too late. No amount of digital snake oil will put the genie back in the bottle.

        I'm an artist and I fricking love AI. It's decreased my workload tremendously and made me a better artist by way of really going into the fine details of anatomy and art styles. Now I don't know what the frick a "real" artist is supposed to be. I make what I think looks good for my own enjoyment and satisfaction and if it sells (and it tends to) then hey, free money.

        All these dipshits b***hing and moaning are uncreative hacks who don't know how to use new tools as they are developed. They're just pissed that the average user can now use AI to duplicate or do better than their tartlet sonic OC tier "art" instead of commissioning their mediocrity. Meanwhile, anyone with half a brain is doing shit like training LORAs on their own artstyle to be able to bang out fast backgrounds or do on the fly pose adjustment. It's like listening to a painter b***h that photoshop will put them out of business.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        But there are no real artists left.
        Divine light was sewered, they're all flash automatons animated by neurotransmitters

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          I understood that clotshot reference.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        People who say this are never artists themselves.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >art is free and open
      it's hardly open when the vast majority of the good models are closed source

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Freebros will have their revenge.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        teething problems. Everything's come so far in a few short years and it's only going to get better.

        Can't say if free models will ever be as good as closed source, but the technology advances drastically nevertheless.
        In a few years we'll complain that SD9000 is shit because it can't render individual pubic hairs with micron precision like DALL-E VMAX PRO TURBO

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Dall-e rendering porn for anyone but OpenAI and Microsoft Execs

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        if only the free models didn't get lawsuited by seething fartists radicalized by corporate glowBlack folk.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Free and open is the overstatement of the century when you're allowed to 60 prompts per week and half of them will only return the stupid dog with the "um sweaty your prompt is le problematic :("
      But don't let reality get in your way when you can just keep defending big corpos for free (and open).

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Are you moronic? Don't answer that. No one on BOT has ever said DALL-E is free or open lmao
        Stable Diffusion is free and open.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I can't type Black person endlessly into a text box, the west has truly fallen

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >troonygger

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous
        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >i have a right to be protected from things that make me shit my diaper

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          I literally can't get BingAI to generate anything for me but the most benign shit like, "draw me a potted plant". Anything even remotely more complicated it says it can't draw. Fricking useless. (Hotpot is decent though.)

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          If anything these people are stopping an AI takeover, assuming that's a possibility. You should be more grateful. Being a racist troll is saving us from Terminator and the Matrix.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      You will never be a real artist.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        That’s a praise anon, given modern artist is an entitled queer homosexual

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          Why haven't we pogrommed artists yet? Now that we have AI and a robust set of data, we can just kill all the whiners, leaving only us generically superior BOT users free to use all their work for without charge. This goes double for Japanese artists who are far too protective of their trash work that I jerk off exclusively to.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >superior BOT users
            we're all getting replaced, don't think it just stops with art

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Thanks.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Artists
      >Hating copyright

      As if they are not the reason, or at the least the willing excuse, for why we have got to such dystopian copyright schemes then?

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >suddenly, art is free and open
      What stopped you before AI?

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's like saying
        >What blocked people from gamedev before the game engines became available for 0 cost.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          Art is 0 cost

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Art is 0 cost
            Writing a game engine and then writing your game on it is 0 cost.

            • 6 months ago
              Anonymous

              >no response
              Pseudointellectual homosexual btfo, good job anon

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            most art is also shit

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        no tooling

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Nothing? why should they start getting in the way now?

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty much this, I don't even care about the concert of AI itself, this is the only reason I support Stable Diffusion.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      You can say the same about ITbros, strawman-kun.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's not so much that they hate capitalism as they love big tech platforms like twitter and love following algorithms.

      The reason AI art is working so well is because artists all draw the same shit, chasing trends. AI just exposes how soulless and homogenized professional art has become to the point there's so much of the same shit out there that you can literally feed it into a computer.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      i support the development of small businesses and the destruction of large corporations.
      i think this is a capitalist concept

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Not every artist is liberal and not every artist is online. It’s a strawman and you create a specific group in your mind to be mad about

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Leave it be anon, these people are mentally ill and have a grudge against people who try

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >smoothie.png
          >image of a milkshake

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Still remember when they said that computers could never into arts and creative work

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      how does this strawman even logically make sense lmao
      if they hate capitalism, hating a capitalist corporation that wants to profit off their own labor makes total sense
      unless you're a fricking moron who thinks simple trade = capitalism

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        rightoids and libertoids are mentally ill

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Not even an artist but taking the human component out of it greatly reduce the artistic value of it. It's slop, just like ordering industrial food vs an actual meal, the former is automatized to hell and back while the later is still showing skill, knowledge and judgment (despite the use of advanced tools the human preparing the dish is remains the main actor).
      AI is soulless, it's useful, but what it produces is cheap according to me.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >AI is soulless, it's useful, but what it produces is cheap according to me.
        which is exactly what 99% of "artists" produce

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      brown person

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      artists hate capitalism and the concept of money and copyright in general, want everything for free
      you pulled this out of your ass, not a single working artist hates capitalism.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous
      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Just 2 more years bro.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        it's still not replaced artists, and dall-e 3 already blown it out, then successfully nerfed by microjew.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >coping
        >redditjak
        >fake BOT filename
        pathetic

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Captain Strawman, the seething homosexual's fetish doll
      cope Aicel

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Me too. It's makes my pp super hard imagining some over worked tired dork working 12 hours at Starbucks realizing he'll never "make it big" with his "art" and be able to pay off his $100k of students loans (for an art degree lol)
      Now get back to work and make me my coffee!

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >every artist in the world as the same opinions as an american liberal
      Please just have a nice day immediately or go leave and then have a nice day there

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >if you don't want current thing to exist then you should not be subject to the conditions of the current thing despite not having any control over it like the rest of humanity

      They're not *real* artists anyway.
      Being an artist isn't about your homosexual ego-trip; it's about the art. The art is all that matters. The art is a vision of beauty. It reaches to the infinite beyond and serves up a morsel for us lowly flesh suits to marvel at.
      Real artists know this.
      Real artists don't have a temper tantrum because their bloated identity and goybux are in jeopardy.

      So yes, seeing these homosexuals ruined and freaking the frick out is just the universe balancing itself.

      >flesh suits
      Stopped reading there. Reddit materialist bugman detected.

      Still remember when they said that computers could never into arts and creative work

      They still can't. All those inputs still come from human rational souls.Thing is, AI-generated images almost always feels "off" for stuff that is judged according to art. Because it lacks human harmony in the production of that thing.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Because it lacks human harmony in the production of that thing.
        Shut up you fricking pseud.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I, for one, LOVE seeing these entitled homosexuals have their livelihoods ruined
      Other than the huge strawman pulled out of your arse, same

      They're not *real* artists anyway.
      Being an artist isn't about your homosexual ego-trip; it's about the art. The art is all that matters. The art is a vision of beauty. It reaches to the infinite beyond and serves up a morsel for us lowly flesh suits to marvel at.
      Real artists know this.
      Real artists don't have a temper tantrum because their bloated identity and goybux are in jeopardy.

      So yes, seeing these homosexuals ruined and freaking the frick out is just the universe balancing itself.

      The most based post ITT

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Hyper-based accelerationist

      [...]
      beautiful

      Yes, beautiful

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      artists hate capitalism and the concept of money and copyright in general, want everything for free
      But that isn't true. They've always wanted to copyright their work, and to get paid for their work. And they wouldn't want things for free. They want everyone to get paid for their work.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Learn to draw

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Artists BTFO and exposed

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      A joy to read like minded individuals

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Mostly brought on themselves when they kept on price fixing the art market by telling anyone getting into it to do commissions to "know your worth" (lol)
      Literally no reason why you should go to an artist now when you can get 70%~ of the quality for 0% of the price and then with some know-how make up the other 20-30%

  3. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Isn't this like the 5th attempt at "poisoning" training data?
    When will they realize that their pozzing can just as easily be unpozzed, every time?

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      can't transform noise into signal

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's exactly what AI image generation is doing.

  4. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Where’s the tool to automatically report “artists” to IRS?

  5. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    nothingburger

    also digital luddites aren't humans. can't wait for government sponsored suicide pods

  6. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    screenshots it just like i did with nft's defeats all the hidden noise

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Save it as jpeg to add crust in.

  7. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Based grifters using anti-AI hysteria to scam self-important morons out of their money.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Selling snake oil always been lucrative

  8. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Internet artists, the most intelligent and capable people on the planet, have again devised a new scheme to outsmart the data scientists to destroy AI art once and for all.
    Uh... stable bros? What do we do?

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >What do we do?
      keep cooming

  9. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Do the models even need 'new' data when they've already got billions of images to work with?
    I can see it for if you're trying to make a celebrity image of a newly famous person or a new anime character, but for general stuff shouldn't the old data sets be fine?

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      I was wondering the same thing. Just train on images before this was released. Also according to the pearl clutchers over on HN, this is easily filtered out. Image makers can keep coming up with unique poisons but the LLM folks can keep coming up with antidotes for each one. I suspect the well funded AI people will outlast the filthy artists in that cat and mouse game, especially since the value of new images is rather low.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/BoLpOYd.jpg

      No they don't, the online ones collect which generated images people actually approve and that adversarial system refines it.

  10. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    The same company will also sell a tool to detect the tampering.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      It can be even better: the company is founded by Big AI to:
      >serve as the controlled opposition
      >block any other tampering competitors
      >block their AI competitors

  11. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's amazing to me how they always underestimate programmers. There's no better puzzle solver in the world than a good programmer. I play puzzle games for fun when I'm not coding.

    And yet these stupid artists are challenging programmers with the easiest puzzle to solve? How clueless can you get.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      this reads like reddit. kys.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        You're either mad that your efforts at poisoning AI are useless, or you're mad that I'm good at puzzle games and I can solve any issue in the world.
        Sorry I'm better than you.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      programmers are dumb as bricks.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        no

  12. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Let me guess, they draw bad hands "on purpose"?

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      No, they have been drawing ugly globohomosexual art, PoCs and trannies for the last ten years on purpose.
      Artgays are always one step ahead, AIcels.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Jokes on them, I wanted to generate globohomosexual artwork featuring PoC's and realistic trannies!
        >2 girls, nsfw, futa with female, blowjob, female masturbation, Korra, Asami

  13. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    All art that matters has already existed for hundreds of years

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Plenty can still be painted. In a few hundred years the guards fighting back against Trump's forces will be a certified classic.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        I mean as training material

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Literally just train off of art that has fallen into the public domain and then lobby politicians to undo the Mickey Mouse Protection act.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      That is not the Night's Watch, the daces have been changed
      I know I have a replica on my toilet

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >genshin impact is hundreds of years old
      Big if true.

  14. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >this thread
    Is this some shill campaign against artists run by tech companies?

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Partly is. The other part is coomers + neckbeard mentality. Their coombrains are too addicted to 'genning' shit tier art showing on their whim that they forget what they're supporting against what. Their hate for 'normalgays' is so overwhelming that they are ready to antagonize them against literal these tech companies. They have forgotten how to see other people as human, that word has lost any meaning to them. To their deluded fantasies AI somehow means Democratization of art. To them art isn't a form of human expression, unique to each experience and person, it's just an image they can consume and be done with. Yes, a vast majority of commercialized art is shit and soulless but there are many many more people who genuinely just express themselves through it. It's their form of connection to the world, they make something and the world feels it, reacts to it, they communicate with the greater will of mankind. Most of these humans don't have proper art skills, their art feels amateur and could be improved thousandfold by a professional on a purely visual level but on a skill cannot translate the art on a visceral level.

      These moronic coombrains hate soulless Commercialized art, that's not a problem, i hate it too. But their solution to it is more of that soulless art?? Mass produced, even if free it's still soulless. It unironically fills me with a great warmth to see a doodle, bad as it is, drawn by a child with full depths of emotion compared to more soulless art generated simply to be consumed with no sense of humanity.

      They argue it's like game engines or other 'productivity tools'. No they are not, these older tools didn't snatch creativity away from you. They 'democratized' art by simplifying the elements that didn't directly influence the artistic aspects. Yes, creating a good program is art, i know that but to some people it might be less relevant and so you had proper control. You don't with these AI 'Art' tools, all you do is prompt. (TBC..)

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        tl:dr skipped to the last sentence
        >You don't with these AI 'Art' tools, all you do is prompt.
        good thing too I got no time for morons today

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don't want to dehumanize these people though. Something somewhere somewhen went very wrong with our society for them to end up like this, these people aren't evil, they've just been stranded in this little corner of their souls, unable to escape, their mindscape gradually following by closing out understanding of their fellow human beings. It slowly has turned into hatred, for petty differences, muddling the spirit of humanity within them. Yes, a lot of zoomer stuff is cringe but these zoomers are also just trying to find their place in the world, they're learning, I did too and the generation before mine hated it, it's natural, differences are natural, hate is too but you can hate without dehumanizing, you can disagree without turning the other into a a mere shadow of what they really are. If you are ready to support soulless emergent automatons over a fellow human, you really need to calm down, stop and understand that person.

        We create art for many reasons, not just to consume it. Why am i writing this rant? I know there will be dudes like

        tl:dr skipped to the last sentence
        >You don't with these AI 'Art' tools, all you do is prompt.
        good thing too I got no time for morons today

        and i know that this rant will not make a shred of a difference where this tech is headed but i want to tell how i feel, nothing more. That's all the reason i need. That's all the reason art needs, there's no motive purer than that.

        I know I started this rant aggressively and that's because that's how i felt at that time, but seriously, i still love you all anons, and all other people too(

        tl:dr skipped to the last sentence
        >You don't with these AI 'Art' tools, all you do is prompt.
        good thing too I got no time for morons today

        too ofc), there's differences, yes, and ill get angry and call you all morons, yes, but i still love you, and i don't need a reason for that. I hate ai simply because it shuts off many opportunities for people i love to express themselves. This rant was just a long winded way to express that.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          relax my man AI is a meme

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          what the frick are you on about

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          Like I get what you are trying to say but you sound fricking high, to the point I had to use chatGPT to summarize the ramblings

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          Is it really a mystery? They are in danger of becoming last centuries lamplighters. As a whole most of them have been rendered unnecessary. AI is showing us the "human experience" isn't special. We too are just large data models. A few differences here and there but the gap is closing fast. It was always gonna come to this and them trying to scrape by is the oldest story in terms of human advancement. Modern luddites. Its honestly a little funny. It will only get funnier as more industries start to capitulate.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don't want to dehumanize these people though. Something somewhere somewhen went very wrong with our society for them to end up like this, these people aren't evil, they've just been stranded in this little corner of their souls, unable to escape, their mindscape gradually following by closing out understanding of their fellow human beings. It slowly has turned into hatred, for petty differences, muddling the spirit of humanity within them. Yes, a lot of zoomer stuff is cringe but these zoomers are also just trying to find their place in the world, they're learning, I did too and the generation before mine hated it, it's natural, differences are natural, hate is too but you can hate without dehumanizing, you can disagree without turning the other into a a mere shadow of what they really are. If you are ready to support soulless emergent automatons over a fellow human, you really need to calm down, stop and understand that person.

        We create art for many reasons, not just to consume it. Why am i writing this rant? I know there will be dudes like [...] and i know that this rant will not make a shred of a difference where this tech is headed but i want to tell how i feel, nothing more. That's all the reason i need. That's all the reason art needs, there's no motive purer than that.

        I know I started this rant aggressively and that's because that's how i felt at that time, but seriously, i still love you all anons, and all other people too([...] too ofc), there's differences, yes, and ill get angry and call you all morons, yes, but i still love you, and i don't need a reason for that. I hate ai simply because it shuts off many opportunities for people i love to express themselves. This rant was just a long winded way to express that.

        not reading all that
        i'm happy for you tho
        or sorry that happened

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >These moronic coombrains hate soulless Commercialized art, that's not a problem, i hate it too. But their solution to it is more of that soulless art?? Mass produced, even if free it's still soulless.
        It's unbelievable as someone who prompts and someone who actually pays actual money for artists to draw concept art for me that takes as stupid as yours exist. post your work.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >who prompts and someone who actually pays actual money for artists to draw concept art for me
          both are literally the same thing and completely creatively devoid lmao. You have no role in making either, you aren't an artist, cope.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not that guy but
            >both are literally the same thing
            Is a completely false statement (along with having an incorrect use of the world literally)
            When you commission something you get as much creative input as the artist does, you don't just say "please draw sonic inflation" and then, at a later date, get your output. Revisions are a thing and good artists with good work ethic will give you plenty of instances where you can realign, revise and redo the artistic direction of your commissioned work. It's much more engaging and dynamic than just inputting something in a function or a black box then bruteforcing it until you get what you want

            • 6 months ago
              Anonymous

              thats a lot of words when you could have just told this twatter tard to post his fricking work

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                Partly is. The other part is coomers + neckbeard mentality. Their coombrains are too addicted to 'genning' shit tier art showing on their whim that they forget what they're supporting against what. Their hate for 'normalgays' is so overwhelming that they are ready to antagonize them against literal these tech companies. They have forgotten how to see other people as human, that word has lost any meaning to them. To their deluded fantasies AI somehow means Democratization of art. To them art isn't a form of human expression, unique to each experience and person, it's just an image they can consume and be done with. Yes, a vast majority of commercialized art is shit and soulless but there are many many more people who genuinely just express themselves through it. It's their form of connection to the world, they make something and the world feels it, reacts to it, they communicate with the greater will of mankind. Most of these humans don't have proper art skills, their art feels amateur and could be improved thousandfold by a professional on a purely visual level but on a skill cannot translate the art on a visceral level.

                These moronic coombrains hate soulless Commercialized art, that's not a problem, i hate it too. But their solution to it is more of that soulless art?? Mass produced, even if free it's still soulless. It unironically fills me with a great warmth to see a doodle, bad as it is, drawn by a child with full depths of emotion compared to more soulless art generated simply to be consumed with no sense of humanity.

                They argue it's like game engines or other 'productivity tools'. No they are not, these older tools didn't snatch creativity away from you. They 'democratized' art by simplifying the elements that didn't directly influence the artistic aspects. Yes, creating a good program is art, i know that but to some people it might be less relevant and so you had proper control. You don't with these AI 'Art' tools, all you do is prompt. (TBC..)

                here. He's not the anon you're targeting, i am and i won't post any 🙂 eat shit

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                >dumb moron admits to being illiterate in addition to having no drawing skills
                what a gay.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                Sure anon, I am. Ill make sure to write this internet 'win' to your Account, meanwhile you can actually try to make something yourself instead of telling others to. Trust me, even though i totally haven't made any, it's fulfilling

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                anon I'm not going to take advice from someone who doesn't know how to read nor never learned what teamwork is

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                Don't. Be happy as you are anon. you're clearly impossible to get through and i respect that. I just hope you develop a better understanding of art, which i know nothing of, as you go.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                I want to face frick madoka

            • 6 months ago
              Anonymous

              They are. Do you know anything about prooompting? it doesn't always give you the correct thing and you have to continually refine the prompt moron. It is the same thing, the only thing is you're discussing shit with a sentient human being instead of an algorithm. You're truly fricking clueless

            • 6 months ago
              Anonymous

              also not him but where he was confusing playing the slots with a dozen neural networks trained by other people + maybe a lora fine tuned by himself with being a patron of art, you're confusing being a patron of art, and actually making art.

              prompting:
              You type words into a box, explaining what it is you want drawn - however statistics happens and you get an image dependent on what associations the training data has with your words, filtered through every model that is fed your prompt, resulting in a fairly noisy image, with the image constrained by the limitations of describing a picture in words. Neural networks, even language models capable of writing fine prose, don't understand what you mean. Despite share pumping PR campaigns, ML is not artificial intelligence.

              paying an artist:
              You type words into a box, explaining to the artist, what it is you want drawn. They try to figure out as best as they can, what you want drawn. The human has intelligence, he can understand the idea being conveyed by your words, and even if the words themselves carry limited meaning, the human can figure out what a novel combination represents without coping with the unknown by adding random limbs.

              actually making art:
              You have an idea, you take a brush or whatever, and you get it down on paper or digitally as best as you can, until you're happy. If you're not very good, it won't even be close to the idea you have. When you get better, that gap will close. It doesn't take much practice to begin to find ML deeply unsatisfying and overly restricted.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        It turns out that nobody cares about the emotional expression of part-time baristas

  15. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >ask AI to generate a literal cat picture
    >got cp instead
    >mysterious black van appears in front of my house

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >ask AI to generate cp
      >get dog picture instead
      >delete microsoft account
      >install sd

  16. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    They don't have to do anything. Writing words is just not the same, and will never be the same, as actually coding or drawing your ideas.

    Most people don't have it in them to learn to program, or learn to draw. They just want dopamine. Prompting endlessly for hours in sloppy English is perfect for them. I'm not surprised I see midwits defending it, it's as though it was made to keep them occupied and keep them from advancing their skills.
    >You'll own nothing, and you'll be happy

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >you have to do it the hard way because you just have to mmmmkay.
      >n-no it's not because I'll feel like I wasted my life

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      future incarnations of this technology will be direct brain-to-image. Far superior to text or drawing

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >of this technology
        Getting a picture directly from your brain isn't prompting, though, it's just cutting out the actual moving your hand part of drawing.

  17. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    This would be a good thing for AI if it works. The recent explosion of generative AI has made it so that AI is being trained on AI-generated material instead of human-generated.

    Cannibalism is bad for AI. Not catastrophically bad, but bad. We're just letting it happen because it's not catastrophic. Some dumbfricks are even encouraging it. We need a catastrophic failure if we're going to start watching what our AI is eating, and a successful "poison" would be just that.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      AI art cannibalizing is, in itself, beautiful to witness. But I'm biased because I love AI horror lol

  18. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    ABSOLUTE COPE
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  19. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >tech is used on a still image
    >image is saved on the interbutts
    >tech progresses beyond initial point
    >image still archived
    u seriously didn't see how this is a bit of a problem? lol

    New art isn't needed anyway, the old data is sufficient.

  20. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    the same thing was already done with large language models btw, its called "gptslop"
    any data that contains typical GPT-style refusals like picrel :
    and the funny thing, you can not remove it from the model, its only possible if you have large ass server with H100's inside.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      i don't think i've seen this script before
      yandex ocr recognises it though, and google translate supports it
      i uh, don't know why it would consider this a bad thing to ask

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        I have had ChatGPT translate Wikipedia articles from Georgian into English and didn't do the stupid ethics bullshit "excuse" to wimp out of being useful.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >socially unbiased
      >inclusivity
      pick one

      also, "inclusivity" isn't a real word

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        It is now

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      How do people keep falling for this shit? Wasn't Glaze supposed to the same thing?

      I did not expect to see my native language outside BOT on this hellscape.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Alright Joseph Stalin

        (He's the only Georgian I can name off the top of my head)

  21. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Try this
    >Accidentally create novel features in the neural network
    >These novel features almost invariably lead to emergent capabilities
    >Models only get smarter and better

  22. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Poisoning what? 99% of the models being trained are using anime/manga images, and sampling from from foreign galleries. The westerners making a fuss about it don't even make good art.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nooo you don't understand, AI won't survive without the calarts slop those morons were posting.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's one of the most hilarious parts of the seething, like I can actually understand and sympathize with some of the concerns regarding AI stuff but the people screeching the loudest about imagegen are almost invariably making the most unfathomably soulless slop ever conceived by mankind, their work already looks AI generated to begin with due to how uninteresting it is

  23. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    That reply perfectly matches with the mental capability i had estimated for you.

  24. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Inb4 it becomes illegal to poison AI training data but not illegal to steal/scrape the entire web 5 times every single second
    Get your shit together America

  25. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >This thread
    I am now 100% convinced that the whole "make the generative ai models free for the public to use at a loss" idea was a plan to get the coomers addicted to it, so they can defend these corporations scraping the entire web while doing insane mental gymnastics for it

  26. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    being artist is the most worthless job on this planet, even toilet janny has greater value in society

  27. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is what I do with AI
    I can't draw for shit but this gives me a form of freedom to give shape to my deranged fantasies

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/Na9pfJ3.jpg

      There are 16 pages if anyone wants them

      she's cute

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        I agree
        It's the standard foxgirl of the model I used, downloaded for free and using SD A111

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Love that model even for non-kemono.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        that's a pretty niche topic for me

  28. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    There are 16 pages if anyone wants them

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      her dress isn't even consistent

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        I didn;t prompt for it specific, it's more about expression
        one could make a Lora and have it exact in any pic, yet I only have 6g vram

  29. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >franzen

    vile israelites poisoning the well as per usual.

  30. 6 months ago
    Anonymous
  31. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    What if AI just trains on itself?

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      google model collapse moronic little frogposter

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        OK?
        What if, models are trained on pictures generated by people who use the service and they just use images that users save and not the discarded trash?

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          You see, every output has an error. If it feeds on generated outputs, it will destroy itself in a second.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >in a second
            That's very fast.
            Wish artists wouldn't be such pussies and instead of fearing AI use it as a tool.

            • 6 months ago
              Anonymous

              i think more and more are doing just that
              you can train it on your style, feed it a sketch and it will literally make it in your style, then a bit of fixing which is easy bc you can actually draw and presto

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                This let's artists create much faster. And if you want to be the "real deal" just paint in real life. Physical paintings will always be valuable. (Unless no one knows you and big ART brokers don't want you to be famous, lol)

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        No tell me

  32. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    So I'll post it then?

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    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/0IKiZBE.jpg

      https://i.imgur.com/SupZiJZ.jpg

      etc.
      This is nice. I don't like anime and it would be a bit harder to do with actual faces, but still really cool. Good job anon. Frick the haters.

  40. 6 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Who uses edge? The girl or the guy?

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        none of them, it's a joke (like edge)
        But she uses Firefox (for the meme, like, she's a fox, but she thinks the anti-ad addon is really handy

  41. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    I guarantee this can be defeated with a single line of code when processing training data

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah by saving the picture again as jpg with lower quality.

  42. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    wouldn't this additional data make those art looks like ai slop ?

  43. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Anon your comic looks like ass ngl, partially because the illustrations look terrible, but mostly because the horrible panel-layout. Please look at some IRL examples of good paneling and use that to improve please.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      I should, I can gen much cleaner now, and it might make more sense to me than someone else
      getting exactly hat you want is a right b***h tho, applause to the guy genning someone grabbing someone's wrist

  44. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    I liked your comic but only because of my bias with fox girls.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      a very understandable bias

  45. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Guys, guys, guys ,GUY!
    Imagine poisoning digital art with cp hashes.

  46. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    based. art needs to stay human. only unsociable losers disagree and cope about being a talentless outcast by slobbering over ai slop. sad thing is it probably wont work and theyll just detect the poison

  47. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Inkcel seethes

  48. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >that article photo
    That's not how it works LMAO

  49. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    All artists should be publicly executed and their work made free to everyone

  50. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    for real this time or just another nothingburger like glaze?

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      What the fick is glaze!!! ANSWER. ME

  51. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    I draw stick figures

  52. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >AI art
    No such thing. All the shit is no different from visualization by Windows Media Player.

  53. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    *This* is how we get rogue AI inimical to human life, i.e. "SkyNet" -- get ready for AI that takes the "poison" but "mutates" in an unexpected way into something the creators of this "Nightshade" certainly wouldn't like.

    >screencap this foresightful post for posterity

  54. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    In an analogy: AI is cars; human artists are horsedrawn carriages.

    I, for one, heartily welcome our bright future!

  55. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't understand what the moronic "artists" have against AI. Most people will never pay them or commission them for anyhting, especially not those who use AI to create the art.

    "B-but the soul of art..."

    Shut the frick up, I don't care. I want to create a picture, look at it, maybe coom and then forget about it. Do they really think most people care about "soul" or anything like that? I want results and if AI can do that, then I will use it.

    Not to mention many artists are absolute entitled scum and deserve all this.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I don't understand what the moronic "artists" have against AI.
      >Most people will never pay them or commission them for anyhting, especially not those who use AI to create the art.
      If I was an artist, I think I'd at least be a little annoyed at the notion that people are distributing bootleg versions of my artstyle. Wouldn't really have anything to do with not getting paid for it and whatnot. Then again, the same end could be achieved by another artist copying one's style, so maybe nothing's changed really. Other than it being more accessible to everyone.

  56. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    What a useless thing. It can only target a single model, as if the artist were to know in advance which model is about to train on their images. The moment the trainer sees the result, they'll just pass it to a denoise filter and train it again. Does nothing when it's not an open model (DallE/Midjourney).

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >What a useless thing. It can only target a single model, as if the artist were to know in advance which model is about to train on their images
      what the frick are you talking about? this doesn't "target" a model. this would affect literally any model that trains on a dataset containing poisoned images. most of those datasets are scraped from the internet, or some are images they host/index like google's. in any case, assuming there are enough of these poisoned images around the net, they would have a fair chance of being included in any recent datasets. also the people who made this method claim it's extremely difficult to identify poisoned images in order to de-pozz them but that remains to be proven.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Read the paper Black person, you're probably parroting the buzzwords they spout. It needs to know the model to generate the adverse noise and "poison" the model so it can't create loras.

  57. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    It moved from being worried about racism to being worried about them generating cool shit. Wait until we get AI video. These people are whiny cowards. Who cares if people make good shit. It opens doors for everyone, even them. The industry is left leaning anyway. These left leaning critics are just people who haven't found success. They can't stand to see some guy who may be somewhat right wing generate some kino. Even non racist kino. They have to prevent that. They're not the class conscious gays they claim. They're insufferable. homosexual leftists gatekeep art so much. That's why they are all freaking out. People don't want to watch some homosexual shit. They want Chrome Lords or some nice kids show that isn't trying to teach their kid about dilating homosexuals. Barney moron, remember him. They want Barney. Frickin' insufferable morons.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      the whole time the same people think gatekeeping is just bullshit and do everything in their power to tear those walls down, for social justice. Fricking hypocrites.

  58. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    I have no idea what this is. make a better post next time

  59. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >they dont know about clint eastwood

    please, tell me how you know a given image is "souless" vs "soulful"(?). you have nothing other than feelings backing your argument.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      soulful - prompted in dall-e
      soulless - SDshit

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        poor miku shouldn't have looked through my computer

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >lobotomize AI good!
        >uncensored AI bad!
        Just in case anyone was wondering what kind of shill post this is

  60. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Don't human artists look at other artists and incorporate things that they cook up in their "imagination" based upon some of those inputs? How is AI art training different than that? If anything, modern artists should be paying the estates of dead artists.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      yes

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      this only makes sense if you don't look at it from the deluded perspective of "evil AI corporations have enough money to track down each and every furry artist they trained on and pay them royalties so they damn well should"

      same logic that makes people think they should be paid royalties when someone tracks their clicks and sells them in bulk to advertisers. they don't realize they'd be receiving minuscule fractions of a cent per month.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      The arguments about AI being "theft" are just a red herring. Artists will also piss their pants and cry if you bring up Adobe Firefly, which was trained entirely on art that Adobe has rights to. Many artists online that screech about this sort of thing are just the types that are in it purely because they want attention and praise from others. They're scared that the proliferation of generative AI will take away their fanbase (if they even have one.)

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's because they are not artists. They are prompt processors. They add no value to the job besides following instructions. Anyone who is creative and actually adds value is not threatened by ai but the gays that just do commission work where they receive and input and draw that will finally be automated.
        Notice how ai has taken over music album covers.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Notice how ai has taken over music album covers.
          Has it? I don't really pay much attention to the music industry, but I have seen some examples of AI art being used by game companies with DnD and Call of Duty using AI generated art for stuff.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes exactly. If these artists never saw a single thing in their life, what would they paint, draw, imagine. A person whose been blind their whole life can't paint an apple. They've never seen one. If you deprived a person of senses, could they make art as we view it. No absolutely fricking not.

  61. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    "Artists" can suck on my fat nuts for all I care. I never commissioned any of them before AI, and I'm still not commissioning them if AI is kill.

  62. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    https://github.com/RichardAragon/NightshadeAntidote

    suck me Black person.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why would you think that spectral analysis is going to help you discover if an image was generated by nightshade or not? It doesn't work like that. Spectral analysis could potentially help you figure out if an image was generated by a text-image model or not, but definitely doesn't help you against nightshade specifically. You would have to do embedding distance comparisons to predicted attack concepts for the model (or model dataset) you want to protect. Similar techniques are already built into a lot of production data cleaning pipelines.

      Spectral analysis gives you less than nothing, and you should be embarrassed for having posted this. Go learn some basic machine learning.

  63. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Humanity is so moronic

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