I mean isn't this just adding nonsense noise. Identifying noncritical pixels to the piece that with tweaking can create pseudo patterns for the AI to pick up on. Then when attempting to recreate the pattern you get noise instead.
*applies 1% of random noise before training and/or upscales and/or downscales and/or trains using bajillion pre-existing images that don't use this tech and then uses yours with above mentioned mitigations for finetune*
this is at minimum the 4th time they've "broken" stable diffusion training
it always just boils down to "make the image look like shit to own the AI chuds"
Glazing was solved in a week. This shit will be solved in a week. The only thing this is going to achieve is that inkcels make their doodles look even shittier than they were.
>creator of glaze
doesn't bode well, is there a paper, all I'm seeing is a bunch of fluff news articles
>One of the things we learned since first deploying Glaze in march 2023 was that we did not understand how artists typically worked. Many work primarily on mobile devices, and few had access to powerful computers with GPUs.
Holy shit, bot is actually right about zoomers. They do not even have PCs, lmao.
I'm a (20 year old) zoomer but it was wild to learn how many of my coworkers, a substantial amount of them being older than me, don't have a desktop or even a laptop at home. They're just as surprised to learn I don't have a phone
7 months ago
Anonymous
this post for some reason reminds me of the old copypasta of anon going through fps reload animations whiile rotating his hips and bending hiis knees to "dance" at a club.
Yes here's the paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/2310.13828
Fwiw image2dataset and other scraping tools has hash verification. So you can't swap out images from existing datasets like for example the LAION to poison the data.
The work from the nightshade team seems legit though. But yeah, dunno, it seems like fixing these adverserial example is tantamount to development in computer vision. Would like to hear the opinion from an expert though
I read the article and it is a huge nothingburger. >What if we take a picture of a cat and blend it into the picture of a dog?
Guess what, moron, this shit is trivial to detect.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Trivially to detect
Automatically? They claimed it wasn't trivially detectable in the paper... I can't really say either way as I'm not an expert, but what makes you say it is?
7 months ago
Anonymous
>They claimed it wasn't trivially detectable in the paper...
It isn't visually detected (by a human). In the paper they say that this additional image must have strong recall in the generational model, so it will be detected by AI and then filtered out by a human. >AI says there should be a dog AND a cat on the pic, but I don't see any cat. Into the trash it goes.
Also they rely on knowing the architecture of the AI model. I suspect that the future AI models will include something that works like "salt" in the "salted hash". Some preliminary or intermediate step with a fixed seed that makes the AI weights completely different and immune to such targeted attacks.
I just read the paper. The technique that they use is that they use an existing model for embedding both the prompt, the anchor image. Then they generate a new image that looks like the anchor image, but that is close in embedding feature space to the anchor image.
This should not be transferable across models. But, you can see by their experimental results that it actually sort of is. Why?
Well, they essentially rely on the fact that all the publicly available text-image models out there are trained on the same set of data. They chose to only benchmark models trained on LAION. Then, when they went to select some example images to poison, where did they get them? That's right, from LAION. This is highly problematic. They do not disclose this.
So, the technique relies on knowing what specific dataset they're training on. And, ideally, the exact model weights that they're trying to finetune. Even if those issues weren't present, the evaluation is still flawed because they finetune by overwriting data that's already in the training set.
However, all this is not to say that the technique doesn't work. It probably does. It's probably a very effective way to poison datasets, since, again, everyone uses LAION and Stable Diffusion. If you can figure out a way to post a bunch of these poisoned text-image pairs and point LAION's scraper at it, you could probably do some damage if you wanted to.
7 months ago
Anonymous
So essentially it confuses the AI because it can't distinguish between the two classes of image?
...but wouldn't then training on a set including that data teach it a better representation of classes, and defeat itself? Does this only defeat fine-tuning, which has a highly curated dataset regardless?
7 months ago
Anonymous
not him but any technique designed to attack/defeat AIs just ends up being a new way to train the AI to handle such information
7 months ago
Anonymous
Stable Diffusion models are trained on text-image pairs. Specifically, they're trained to minimize the distance between their understanding of the text and their understanding of the image. Using the understanding of the text, they start with RGB noise, then iteratively denoise in the literal direction (because it's a vector) of its understanding of the image. After 50 to 500 iterations or so, you have your generated image.
So, by constructing a poison image that's roughly halfway between the text and the anchor image (up to some |delta| < p for each iteration of denoising), then training on it, you're moving the concepts closer to each other in the text/image understanding vectorspace. This leads to the model confusing the concepts with each other.
This effect is made even more powerful due to the sparsity of the concepts. There are a lot of different concepts out there on the internet. Compute budgets are only so large. There may only be 100 text-image pairs of mickey mouse that you train on. If you add 500 poison images to the dataset replacing mickey mouse with anal sex, the concepts are going to end up basically on top of each other and you're going to end up with basically mickey mouse equals anal sex. But, crucially, without actually including any extra images to the dataset that a human could look at and identify as such.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Wouldn't that only apply to a frozen text encoder? Otherwise, the "middle point" will change right? I guess experimentally it works for a sufficiently small number of samples, but I don't understand why repeatedly training on the poison samples(in addition to the other samples) wouldn't cause the model and text encoder to learn to differentiate them.
7 months ago
Anonymous
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They're already improving the datasets for us!
7 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, tbh it's hard to imagine LAION getting any more poisoned.
>how such technology might work
It cannot. If it actually changes something for AI then it is trivial to add a filter to remove such data.
And, if it is available openly it is even possible to crack it and fix the data.
>online artists hate capitalism and the concept of money and copyright in general, want everything for free >suddenly, art is free and open >online artists are mad
I, for one, LOVE seeing these entitled homosexuals have their livelihoods ruined.
Yeah, the only way to not be replaced is to draw something that AI will not do because of "ethics" or other shit - dicky, xenophobia, copyrighted materials.
>dicky, xenophobia, copyrighted materials
SD can do all of that. What it struggles with is any coherent interactions which is also a challenge for most of the artgays.
Nothing changes for good artists obviously.
the problem with nightshade is you have to poison your own art for it to work. it wont work for the same reasons condom doesn't work; user wont put it on since it makes the experience worse.
>online artists hate capitalism and the concept of money and copyright in general, want everything for free >suddenly, art is free and open >online artists are mad
I, for one, LOVE seeing these entitled homosexuals have their livelihoods ruined.
>online artists hate capitalism and the concept of money and copyright in general, want everything for free >suddenly, art is free and open >online artists are mad
I, for one, LOVE seeing these entitled homosexuals have their livelihoods ruined.
From what few discussions I've had, they love copyright solely because it prevents Disney from "stealing" Clara the non-binary green haired demoness, however they have no issues in drawing her on a pirated copy of Clip Studio Paint running on a pirated copy of Windows. Also artists should be paid residuals but don't even consider making your drawing program they weren't even gonna pay for anyway require a subscription
It's a stand-in for whatever shit they don't want a big company to not "steal"
the thing that breaks my brain is that if copywrite didn't exist they could just use popular characters indiscriminately and thus pwn shitney hard but noooo obviously bizney will somehow cuck them when they have zero talent.
I've argued this and their counter is "Well, I can draw Disney characters if I want to anyway+Clara the non-binary green-haired demoness means a lot more to me than that"
the thing that breaks my brain is that if copywrite didn't exist they could just use popular characters indiscriminately and thus pwn shitney hard but noooo obviously bizney will somehow cuck them when they have zero talent.
They're not *real* artists anyway.
Being an artist isn't about your homosexual ego-trip; it's about the art. The art is all that matters. The art is a vision of beauty. It reaches to the infinite beyond and serves up a morsel for us lowly flesh suits to marvel at.
Real artists know this.
Real artists don't have a temper tantrum because their bloated identity and goybux are in jeopardy.
So yes, seeing these homosexuals ruined and freaking the frick out is just the universe balancing itself.
Based. The closest I can relate to this is making shitty reaction pics and OC. I do it for free because it is fun and I like it when people enjoy it enough to repost it.
it's nice to have passion 😀 I do wish artgays were financially secure so we wouldn't be having this debate in the first place.
I don't want to dehumanize these people though. Something somewhere somewhen went very wrong with our society for them to end up like this, these people aren't evil, they've just been stranded in this little corner of their souls, unable to escape, their mindscape gradually following by closing out understanding of their fellow human beings. It slowly has turned into hatred, for petty differences, muddling the spirit of humanity within them. Yes, a lot of zoomer stuff is cringe but these zoomers are also just trying to find their place in the world, they're learning, I did too and the generation before mine hated it, it's natural, differences are natural, hate is too but you can hate without dehumanizing, you can disagree without turning the other into a a mere shadow of what they really are. If you are ready to support soulless emergent automatons over a fellow human, you really need to calm down, stop and understand that person.
We create art for many reasons, not just to consume it. Why am i writing this rant? I know there will be dudes like [...] and i know that this rant will not make a shred of a difference where this tech is headed but i want to tell how i feel, nothing more. That's all the reason i need. That's all the reason art needs, there's no motive purer than that.
I know I started this rant aggressively and that's because that's how i felt at that time, but seriously, i still love you all anons, and all other people too([...] too ofc), there's differences, yes, and ill get angry and call you all morons, yes, but i still love you, and i don't need a reason for that. I hate ai simply because it shuts off many opportunities for people i love to express themselves. This rant was just a long winded way to express that.
Most humans don't have the money or time to learn art. For those who chose art as their way to make money, most professional artists don't have time or money to truly improve or make what they actually want to make. In a world of ever-increasing speed and pressure, AI allows me, a former drawgay, to just sit down, relax, and "make" after work. It's not as good as the real thing but I'm too tired and busy for the real thing now.
I think for "retired" artists or for people who are too frustrated to learn art, AI will become an important channel for expressing oneself. Way more people have "artist vision" than I previously thought. The practice of their hands deploying what their minds sees was limiting to what they wanted to communicate. They want to put their dreams out there while still living their current lives. AI art generation is beautiful, but its potential for misuse is too great to ignore.
I want to see what non-artists would make if they were artists. I don't want art to be limited by years of practice, years of hating yourself for not being good enough.
>just sit down, relax, and "make" after work
Are you really making something if you have no control over it? You are literally just telling someone, in this case someone who is incapable of being inspired or original, to draw it for you. It isn't your creation, you can't look at it and think that you'd draw the same thing too
>The practice of their hands deploying what their minds sees was limiting to what they wanted to communicate. They want to put their dreams out there while still living their current lives. >I want to see what non-artists would make if they were artists. I don't want art to be limited by years of practice, years of hating yourself for not being good enough.
Art doesn't have to be perfect, it shouldn't be. Art is personal, it reflects the artist, the ai art doesn't reflect your vision, it only reflects your idea - yes, both of these are different. It doesn't matter if your art isn't aesthetically pleasing, it reflects a lot about you. The minor details that only you could have implemented, it isn't 'perfect', but it's better than anything that is simply just that.
My little brother, a few years back, made a drawing on a big poster sheet. He sat there for 3-4 days making it and it was a movie poster of sorts littered with hundreds of small things like that. There was a joke with the dreamworks logo mascot stealing stuff with his fishing rod and stuff like that. You don't get that with AI, it was all his vision and he implemented it, tuned it, made it work even if it wasn't pretty. It wasn't aesthetically pleasing but it was still better than anything you see in the ai threads here. I mean even their prompts are so uncreative, there's no inspiration there either. That's not what i want, if you do, i can't agree with you, sorry.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Also, for the anon in
future incarnations of this technology will be direct brain-to-image. Far superior to text or drawing
. I actually have no problem with that. As long as the artist has complete control, it's good, it's genuine and im fine with it. Directly building a picture from a picture in your brain is completely fair, it's just an extension of your own abilities, not through a proxy
7 months ago
Anonymous
All of that is true. It's a poor replacement, but it's the only one I've got. I don't know that I will ever have the free time or energy to draw more than once every few months. I would like to see the technology advance to a point that helps people bring out their creative side instead of attempting to replace it.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>I would like to see the technology advance to a point that helps people bring out their creative side instead of attempting to replace it
Me too, i just don't think generative AI models are that technology
People would buy shit that's cool. You could cultivate a following with loyal fans. Any media could do this. All they have to do is not make everything so gay and pandering to some specific group. I'm pretty sure a lot of the people they complain about and the racists would make better shit. Why do movies and games made by gay ass corpo lefty people suck wiener? They can't write non White straight male characters. Everything they make is gay, pandering, and cringe. Nooo if we let this right leaning guy make stuff, he might actually make stuff that everyone enjoys. Noo minorities are gonna like it. I won't let that happen! They're insufferable.
You can only make the art you talk about, and focus on art above else if you’re financially secure. Else, your art remains a hobby or side project you may not be able to dedicate much time or practice to because you gotta work for income.
But since there’s no UBI or handouts for artists specifically, many are forced to make soulless garbage that appeals to companies and the masses, and worry about their ‘goybux’ or else they’ll have to stop being an artist or be unable to pay the bills.
So if you want real artists who just care about the art and not money, I suggest aiding in creating a system that ensures the livelihood of artists independent of their art output. If that’s not done, your idea of a real artist and real art is restricted to rich kids living off of parents’ wealth who don’t have to worry about income and can spend their time how they please.
yeah or maybe they could get a full time job doing something they hate like the rest of us and do the art on the weekends, using the misery of waging to enhance the quality of their art
>creating a system
That system has existed for a thousand years
It's called having a patron
All of the famous artists you've ever heard of before the modern era had rich patrons willing to fund their skills for some say in what the output is going to be
And there's the real challenge
In such a system there's no room for mediocre and middling artists, who are the ones complaining.
Truly skilled artists will never be put out of work no matter the era
I spend my wage money on you fartists you ungrateful Black person. only I don't get to sit at home and do what I claim to love. or more accurately, don't do what I claim to love because its toooo hard and AI is mean, and I need 5 weeks to even start on the project you paid me for.
You can't irreversibly poison a well without ruining your own water supply. Whatever anyone tries to do will be reversible. Even then, it's too late. No amount of digital snake oil will put the genie back in the bottle.
I'm an artist and I fricking love AI. It's decreased my workload tremendously and made me a better artist by way of really going into the fine details of anatomy and art styles. Now I don't know what the frick a "real" artist is supposed to be. I make what I think looks good for my own enjoyment and satisfaction and if it sells (and it tends to) then hey, free money.
All these dipshits b***hing and moaning are uncreative hacks who don't know how to use new tools as they are developed. They're just pissed that the average user can now use AI to duplicate or do better than their tartlet sonic OC tier "art" instead of commissioning their mediocrity. Meanwhile, anyone with half a brain is doing shit like training LORAs on their own artstyle to be able to bang out fast backgrounds or do on the fly pose adjustment. It's like listening to a painter b***h that photoshop will put them out of business.
teething problems. Everything's come so far in a few short years and it's only going to get better.
Can't say if free models will ever be as good as closed source, but the technology advances drastically nevertheless.
In a few years we'll complain that SD9000 is shit because it can't render individual pubic hairs with micron precision like DALL-E VMAX PRO TURBO
Free and open is the overstatement of the century when you're allowed to 60 prompts per week and half of them will only return the stupid dog with the "um sweaty your prompt is le problematic :("
But don't let reality get in your way when you can just keep defending big corpos for free (and open).
I literally can't get BingAI to generate anything for me but the most benign shit like, "draw me a potted plant". Anything even remotely more complicated it says it can't draw. Fricking useless. (Hotpot is decent though.)
If anything these people are stopping an AI takeover, assuming that's a possibility. You should be more grateful. Being a racist troll is saving us from Terminator and the Matrix.
Why haven't we pogrommed artists yet? Now that we have AI and a robust set of data, we can just kill all the whiners, leaving only us generically superior BOT users free to use all their work for without charge. This goes double for Japanese artists who are far too protective of their trash work that I jerk off exclusively to.
It's not so much that they hate capitalism as they love big tech platforms like twitter and love following algorithms.
The reason AI art is working so well is because artists all draw the same shit, chasing trends. AI just exposes how soulless and homogenized professional art has become to the point there's so much of the same shit out there that you can literally feed it into a computer.
how does this strawman even logically make sense lmao
if they hate capitalism, hating a capitalist corporation that wants to profit off their own labor makes total sense
unless you're a fricking moron who thinks simple trade = capitalism
Not even an artist but taking the human component out of it greatly reduce the artistic value of it. It's slop, just like ordering industrial food vs an actual meal, the former is automatized to hell and back while the later is still showing skill, knowledge and judgment (despite the use of advanced tools the human preparing the dish is remains the main actor).
AI is soulless, it's useful, but what it produces is cheap according to me.
artists hate capitalism and the concept of money and copyright in general, want everything for free
you pulled this out of your ass, not a single working artist hates capitalism.
Me too. It's makes my pp super hard imagining some over worked tired dork working 12 hours at Starbucks realizing he'll never "make it big" with his "art" and be able to pay off his $100k of students loans (for an art degree lol)
Now get back to work and make me my coffee!
>every artist in the world as the same opinions as an american liberal
Please just have a nice day immediately or go leave and then have a nice day there
>if you don't want current thing to exist then you should not be subject to the conditions of the current thing despite not having any control over it like the rest of humanity
They're not *real* artists anyway.
Being an artist isn't about your homosexual ego-trip; it's about the art. The art is all that matters. The art is a vision of beauty. It reaches to the infinite beyond and serves up a morsel for us lowly flesh suits to marvel at.
Real artists know this.
Real artists don't have a temper tantrum because their bloated identity and goybux are in jeopardy.
So yes, seeing these homosexuals ruined and freaking the frick out is just the universe balancing itself.
Still remember when they said that computers could never into arts and creative work
They still can't. All those inputs still come from human rational souls.Thing is, AI-generated images almost always feels "off" for stuff that is judged according to art. Because it lacks human harmony in the production of that thing.
>I, for one, LOVE seeing these entitled homosexuals have their livelihoods ruined
Other than the huge strawman pulled out of your arse, same
They're not *real* artists anyway.
Being an artist isn't about your homosexual ego-trip; it's about the art. The art is all that matters. The art is a vision of beauty. It reaches to the infinite beyond and serves up a morsel for us lowly flesh suits to marvel at.
Real artists know this.
Real artists don't have a temper tantrum because their bloated identity and goybux are in jeopardy.
So yes, seeing these homosexuals ruined and freaking the frick out is just the universe balancing itself.
artists hate capitalism and the concept of money and copyright in general, want everything for free
But that isn't true. They've always wanted to copyright their work, and to get paid for their work. And they wouldn't want things for free. They want everyone to get paid for their work.
Mostly brought on themselves when they kept on price fixing the art market by telling anyone getting into it to do commissions to "know your worth" (lol)
Literally no reason why you should go to an artist now when you can get 70%~ of the quality for 0% of the price and then with some know-how make up the other 20-30%
>Internet artists, the most intelligent and capable people on the planet, have again devised a new scheme to outsmart the data scientists to destroy AI art once and for all.
Uh... stable bros? What do we do?
Do the models even need 'new' data when they've already got billions of images to work with?
I can see it for if you're trying to make a celebrity image of a newly famous person or a new anime character, but for general stuff shouldn't the old data sets be fine?
I was wondering the same thing. Just train on images before this was released. Also according to the pearl clutchers over on HN, this is easily filtered out. Image makers can keep coming up with unique poisons but the LLM folks can keep coming up with antidotes for each one. I suspect the well funded AI people will outlast the filthy artists in that cat and mouse game, especially since the value of new images is rather low.
It can be even better: the company is founded by Big AI to: >serve as the controlled opposition >block any other tampering competitors >block their AI competitors
It's amazing to me how they always underestimate programmers. There's no better puzzle solver in the world than a good programmer. I play puzzle games for fun when I'm not coding.
And yet these stupid artists are challenging programmers with the easiest puzzle to solve? How clueless can you get.
You're either mad that your efforts at poisoning AI are useless, or you're mad that I'm good at puzzle games and I can solve any issue in the world.
Sorry I'm better than you.
Jokes on them, I wanted to generate globohomosexual artwork featuring PoC's and realistic trannies! >2 girls, nsfw, futa with female, blowjob, female masturbation, Korra, Asami
Partly is. The other part is coomers + neckbeard mentality. Their coombrains are too addicted to 'genning' shit tier art showing on their whim that they forget what they're supporting against what. Their hate for 'normalgays' is so overwhelming that they are ready to antagonize them against literal these tech companies. They have forgotten how to see other people as human, that word has lost any meaning to them. To their deluded fantasies AI somehow means Democratization of art. To them art isn't a form of human expression, unique to each experience and person, it's just an image they can consume and be done with. Yes, a vast majority of commercialized art is shit and soulless but there are many many more people who genuinely just express themselves through it. It's their form of connection to the world, they make something and the world feels it, reacts to it, they communicate with the greater will of mankind. Most of these humans don't have proper art skills, their art feels amateur and could be improved thousandfold by a professional on a purely visual level but on a skill cannot translate the art on a visceral level.
These moronic coombrains hate soulless Commercialized art, that's not a problem, i hate it too. But their solution to it is more of that soulless art?? Mass produced, even if free it's still soulless. It unironically fills me with a great warmth to see a doodle, bad as it is, drawn by a child with full depths of emotion compared to more soulless art generated simply to be consumed with no sense of humanity.
They argue it's like game engines or other 'productivity tools'. No they are not, these older tools didn't snatch creativity away from you. They 'democratized' art by simplifying the elements that didn't directly influence the artistic aspects. Yes, creating a good program is art, i know that but to some people it might be less relevant and so you had proper control. You don't with these AI 'Art' tools, all you do is prompt. (TBC..)
I don't want to dehumanize these people though. Something somewhere somewhen went very wrong with our society for them to end up like this, these people aren't evil, they've just been stranded in this little corner of their souls, unable to escape, their mindscape gradually following by closing out understanding of their fellow human beings. It slowly has turned into hatred, for petty differences, muddling the spirit of humanity within them. Yes, a lot of zoomer stuff is cringe but these zoomers are also just trying to find their place in the world, they're learning, I did too and the generation before mine hated it, it's natural, differences are natural, hate is too but you can hate without dehumanizing, you can disagree without turning the other into a a mere shadow of what they really are. If you are ready to support soulless emergent automatons over a fellow human, you really need to calm down, stop and understand that person.
We create art for many reasons, not just to consume it. Why am i writing this rant? I know there will be dudes like
tl:dr skipped to the last sentence >You don't with these AI 'Art' tools, all you do is prompt.
good thing too I got no time for morons today
and i know that this rant will not make a shred of a difference where this tech is headed but i want to tell how i feel, nothing more. That's all the reason i need. That's all the reason art needs, there's no motive purer than that.
I know I started this rant aggressively and that's because that's how i felt at that time, but seriously, i still love you all anons, and all other people too(
tl:dr skipped to the last sentence >You don't with these AI 'Art' tools, all you do is prompt.
good thing too I got no time for morons today
too ofc), there's differences, yes, and ill get angry and call you all morons, yes, but i still love you, and i don't need a reason for that. I hate ai simply because it shuts off many opportunities for people i love to express themselves. This rant was just a long winded way to express that.
Is it really a mystery? They are in danger of becoming last centuries lamplighters. As a whole most of them have been rendered unnecessary. AI is showing us the "human experience" isn't special. We too are just large data models. A few differences here and there but the gap is closing fast. It was always gonna come to this and them trying to scrape by is the oldest story in terms of human advancement. Modern luddites. Its honestly a little funny. It will only get funnier as more industries start to capitulate.
I don't want to dehumanize these people though. Something somewhere somewhen went very wrong with our society for them to end up like this, these people aren't evil, they've just been stranded in this little corner of their souls, unable to escape, their mindscape gradually following by closing out understanding of their fellow human beings. It slowly has turned into hatred, for petty differences, muddling the spirit of humanity within them. Yes, a lot of zoomer stuff is cringe but these zoomers are also just trying to find their place in the world, they're learning, I did too and the generation before mine hated it, it's natural, differences are natural, hate is too but you can hate without dehumanizing, you can disagree without turning the other into a a mere shadow of what they really are. If you are ready to support soulless emergent automatons over a fellow human, you really need to calm down, stop and understand that person.
We create art for many reasons, not just to consume it. Why am i writing this rant? I know there will be dudes like [...] and i know that this rant will not make a shred of a difference where this tech is headed but i want to tell how i feel, nothing more. That's all the reason i need. That's all the reason art needs, there's no motive purer than that.
I know I started this rant aggressively and that's because that's how i felt at that time, but seriously, i still love you all anons, and all other people too([...] too ofc), there's differences, yes, and ill get angry and call you all morons, yes, but i still love you, and i don't need a reason for that. I hate ai simply because it shuts off many opportunities for people i love to express themselves. This rant was just a long winded way to express that.
not reading all that
i'm happy for you tho
or sorry that happened
>These moronic coombrains hate soulless Commercialized art, that's not a problem, i hate it too. But their solution to it is more of that soulless art?? Mass produced, even if free it's still soulless.
It's unbelievable as someone who prompts and someone who actually pays actual money for artists to draw concept art for me that takes as stupid as yours exist. post your work.
>who prompts and someone who actually pays actual money for artists to draw concept art for me
both are literally the same thing and completely creatively devoid lmao. You have no role in making either, you aren't an artist, cope.
I'm not that guy but >both are literally the same thing
Is a completely false statement (along with having an incorrect use of the world literally)
When you commission something you get as much creative input as the artist does, you don't just say "please draw sonic inflation" and then, at a later date, get your output. Revisions are a thing and good artists with good work ethic will give you plenty of instances where you can realign, revise and redo the artistic direction of your commissioned work. It's much more engaging and dynamic than just inputting something in a function or a black box then bruteforcing it until you get what you want
thats a lot of words when you could have just told this twatter tard to post his fricking work
7 months ago
Anonymous
Partly is. The other part is coomers + neckbeard mentality. Their coombrains are too addicted to 'genning' shit tier art showing on their whim that they forget what they're supporting against what. Their hate for 'normalgays' is so overwhelming that they are ready to antagonize them against literal these tech companies. They have forgotten how to see other people as human, that word has lost any meaning to them. To their deluded fantasies AI somehow means Democratization of art. To them art isn't a form of human expression, unique to each experience and person, it's just an image they can consume and be done with. Yes, a vast majority of commercialized art is shit and soulless but there are many many more people who genuinely just express themselves through it. It's their form of connection to the world, they make something and the world feels it, reacts to it, they communicate with the greater will of mankind. Most of these humans don't have proper art skills, their art feels amateur and could be improved thousandfold by a professional on a purely visual level but on a skill cannot translate the art on a visceral level.
These moronic coombrains hate soulless Commercialized art, that's not a problem, i hate it too. But their solution to it is more of that soulless art?? Mass produced, even if free it's still soulless. It unironically fills me with a great warmth to see a doodle, bad as it is, drawn by a child with full depths of emotion compared to more soulless art generated simply to be consumed with no sense of humanity.
They argue it's like game engines or other 'productivity tools'. No they are not, these older tools didn't snatch creativity away from you. They 'democratized' art by simplifying the elements that didn't directly influence the artistic aspects. Yes, creating a good program is art, i know that but to some people it might be less relevant and so you had proper control. You don't with these AI 'Art' tools, all you do is prompt. (TBC..)
here. He's not the anon you're targeting, i am and i won't post any 🙂 eat shit
7 months ago
Anonymous
>dumb moron admits to being illiterate in addition to having no drawing skills
what a gay.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Sure anon, I am. Ill make sure to write this internet 'win' to your Account, meanwhile you can actually try to make something yourself instead of telling others to. Trust me, even though i totally haven't made any, it's fulfilling
7 months ago
Anonymous
anon I'm not going to take advice from someone who doesn't know how to read nor never learned what teamwork is
7 months ago
Anonymous
Don't. Be happy as you are anon. you're clearly impossible to get through and i respect that. I just hope you develop a better understanding of art, which i know nothing of, as you go.
They are. Do you know anything about prooompting? it doesn't always give you the correct thing and you have to continually refine the prompt moron. It is the same thing, the only thing is you're discussing shit with a sentient human being instead of an algorithm. You're truly fricking clueless
also not him but where he was confusing playing the slots with a dozen neural networks trained by other people + maybe a lora fine tuned by himself with being a patron of art, you're confusing being a patron of art, and actually making art.
prompting:
You type words into a box, explaining what it is you want drawn - however statistics happens and you get an image dependent on what associations the training data has with your words, filtered through every model that is fed your prompt, resulting in a fairly noisy image, with the image constrained by the limitations of describing a picture in words. Neural networks, even language models capable of writing fine prose, don't understand what you mean. Despite share pumping PR campaigns, ML is not artificial intelligence.
paying an artist:
You type words into a box, explaining to the artist, what it is you want drawn. They try to figure out as best as they can, what you want drawn. The human has intelligence, he can understand the idea being conveyed by your words, and even if the words themselves carry limited meaning, the human can figure out what a novel combination represents without coping with the unknown by adding random limbs.
actually making art:
You have an idea, you take a brush or whatever, and you get it down on paper or digitally as best as you can, until you're happy. If you're not very good, it won't even be close to the idea you have. When you get better, that gap will close. It doesn't take much practice to begin to find ML deeply unsatisfying and overly restricted.
They don't have to do anything. Writing words is just not the same, and will never be the same, as actually coding or drawing your ideas.
Most people don't have it in them to learn to program, or learn to draw. They just want dopamine. Prompting endlessly for hours in sloppy English is perfect for them. I'm not surprised I see midwits defending it, it's as though it was made to keep them occupied and keep them from advancing their skills. >You'll own nothing, and you'll be happy
>of this technology
Getting a picture directly from your brain isn't prompting, though, it's just cutting out the actual moving your hand part of drawing.
This would be a good thing for AI if it works. The recent explosion of generative AI has made it so that AI is being trained on AI-generated material instead of human-generated.
Cannibalism is bad for AI. Not catastrophically bad, but bad. We're just letting it happen because it's not catastrophic. Some dumbfricks are even encouraging it. We need a catastrophic failure if we're going to start watching what our AI is eating, and a successful "poison" would be just that.
>tech is used on a still image >image is saved on the interbutts >tech progresses beyond initial point >image still archived
u seriously didn't see how this is a bit of a problem? lol
New art isn't needed anyway, the old data is sufficient.
the same thing was already done with large language models btw, its called "gptslop"
any data that contains typical GPT-style refusals like picrel :
and the funny thing, you can not remove it from the model, its only possible if you have large ass server with H100's inside.
i don't think i've seen this script before
yandex ocr recognises it though, and google translate supports it
i uh, don't know why it would consider this a bad thing to ask
I have had ChatGPT translate Wikipedia articles from Georgian into English and didn't do the stupid ethics bullshit "excuse" to wimp out of being useful.
>Try this >Accidentally create novel features in the neural network >These novel features almost invariably lead to emergent capabilities >Models only get smarter and better
Poisoning what? 99% of the models being trained are using anime/manga images, and sampling from from foreign galleries. The westerners making a fuss about it don't even make good art.
That's one of the most hilarious parts of the seething, like I can actually understand and sympathize with some of the concerns regarding AI stuff but the people screeching the loudest about imagegen are almost invariably making the most unfathomably soulless slop ever conceived by mankind, their work already looks AI generated to begin with due to how uninteresting it is
Inb4 it becomes illegal to poison AI training data but not illegal to steal/scrape the entire web 5 times every single second
Get your shit together America
>This thread
I am now 100% convinced that the whole "make the generative ai models free for the public to use at a loss" idea was a plan to get the coomers addicted to it, so they can defend these corporations scraping the entire web while doing insane mental gymnastics for it
OK?
What if, models are trained on pictures generated by people who use the service and they just use images that users save and not the discarded trash?
i think more and more are doing just that
you can train it on your style, feed it a sketch and it will literally make it in your style, then a bit of fixing which is easy bc you can actually draw and presto
7 months ago
Anonymous
This let's artists create much faster. And if you want to be the "real deal" just paint in real life. Physical paintings will always be valuable. (Unless no one knows you and big ART brokers don't want you to be famous, lol)
Anon your comic looks like ass ngl, partially because the illustrations look terrible, but mostly because the horrible panel-layout. Please look at some IRL examples of good paneling and use that to improve please.
I should, I can gen much cleaner now, and it might make more sense to me than someone else
getting exactly hat you want is a right b***h tho, applause to the guy genning someone grabbing someone's wrist
based. art needs to stay human. only unsociable losers disagree and cope about being a talentless outcast by slobbering over ai slop. sad thing is it probably wont work and theyll just detect the poison
*This* is how we get rogue AI inimical to human life, i.e. "SkyNet" -- get ready for AI that takes the "poison" but "mutates" in an unexpected way into something the creators of this "Nightshade" certainly wouldn't like.
I don't understand what the moronic "artists" have against AI. Most people will never pay them or commission them for anyhting, especially not those who use AI to create the art.
"B-but the soul of art..."
Shut the frick up, I don't care. I want to create a picture, look at it, maybe coom and then forget about it. Do they really think most people care about "soul" or anything like that? I want results and if AI can do that, then I will use it.
Not to mention many artists are absolute entitled scum and deserve all this.
>I don't understand what the moronic "artists" have against AI. >Most people will never pay them or commission them for anyhting, especially not those who use AI to create the art.
If I was an artist, I think I'd at least be a little annoyed at the notion that people are distributing bootleg versions of my artstyle. Wouldn't really have anything to do with not getting paid for it and whatnot. Then again, the same end could be achieved by another artist copying one's style, so maybe nothing's changed really. Other than it being more accessible to everyone.
What a useless thing. It can only target a single model, as if the artist were to know in advance which model is about to train on their images. The moment the trainer sees the result, they'll just pass it to a denoise filter and train it again. Does nothing when it's not an open model (DallE/Midjourney).
>What a useless thing. It can only target a single model, as if the artist were to know in advance which model is about to train on their images
what the frick are you talking about? this doesn't "target" a model. this would affect literally any model that trains on a dataset containing poisoned images. most of those datasets are scraped from the internet, or some are images they host/index like google's. in any case, assuming there are enough of these poisoned images around the net, they would have a fair chance of being included in any recent datasets. also the people who made this method claim it's extremely difficult to identify poisoned images in order to de-pozz them but that remains to be proven.
Read the paper Black person, you're probably parroting the buzzwords they spout. It needs to know the model to generate the adverse noise and "poison" the model so it can't create loras.
It moved from being worried about racism to being worried about them generating cool shit. Wait until we get AI video. These people are whiny cowards. Who cares if people make good shit. It opens doors for everyone, even them. The industry is left leaning anyway. These left leaning critics are just people who haven't found success. They can't stand to see some guy who may be somewhat right wing generate some kino. Even non racist kino. They have to prevent that. They're not the class conscious gays they claim. They're insufferable. homosexual leftists gatekeep art so much. That's why they are all freaking out. People don't want to watch some homosexual shit. They want Chrome Lords or some nice kids show that isn't trying to teach their kid about dilating homosexuals. Barney moron, remember him. They want Barney. Frickin' insufferable morons.
the whole time the same people think gatekeeping is just bullshit and do everything in their power to tear those walls down, for social justice. Fricking hypocrites.
Don't human artists look at other artists and incorporate things that they cook up in their "imagination" based upon some of those inputs? How is AI art training different than that? If anything, modern artists should be paying the estates of dead artists.
this only makes sense if you don't look at it from the deluded perspective of "evil AI corporations have enough money to track down each and every furry artist they trained on and pay them royalties so they damn well should"
same logic that makes people think they should be paid royalties when someone tracks their clicks and sells them in bulk to advertisers. they don't realize they'd be receiving minuscule fractions of a cent per month.
The arguments about AI being "theft" are just a red herring. Artists will also piss their pants and cry if you bring up Adobe Firefly, which was trained entirely on art that Adobe has rights to. Many artists online that screech about this sort of thing are just the types that are in it purely because they want attention and praise from others. They're scared that the proliferation of generative AI will take away their fanbase (if they even have one.)
That's because they are not artists. They are prompt processors. They add no value to the job besides following instructions. Anyone who is creative and actually adds value is not threatened by ai but the gays that just do commission work where they receive and input and draw that will finally be automated.
Notice how ai has taken over music album covers.
>Notice how ai has taken over music album covers.
Has it? I don't really pay much attention to the music industry, but I have seen some examples of AI art being used by game companies with DnD and Call of Duty using AI generated art for stuff.
Yes exactly. If these artists never saw a single thing in their life, what would they paint, draw, imagine. A person whose been blind their whole life can't paint an apple. They've never seen one. If you deprived a person of senses, could they make art as we view it. No absolutely fricking not.
Why would you think that spectral analysis is going to help you discover if an image was generated by nightshade or not? It doesn't work like that. Spectral analysis could potentially help you figure out if an image was generated by a text-image model or not, but definitely doesn't help you against nightshade specifically. You would have to do embedding distance comparisons to predicted attack concepts for the model (or model dataset) you want to protect. Similar techniques are already built into a lot of production data cleaning pipelines.
Spectral analysis gives you less than nothing, and you should be embarrassed for having posted this. Go learn some basic machine learning.
This could be an interesting thread about how such technology might work. But it's not gonna be a thread about that.
I mean isn't this just adding nonsense noise. Identifying noncritical pixels to the piece that with tweaking can create pseudo patterns for the AI to pick up on. Then when attempting to recreate the pattern you get noise instead.
*applies 1% of random noise before training and/or upscales and/or downscales and/or trains using bajillion pre-existing images that don't use this tech and then uses yours with above mentioned mitigations for finetune*
That noise is just registered as noise, then, unless it's consistently applied to every image where 'apple' is tagged.
yeah because it's snake oil
this is at minimum the 4th time they've "broken" stable diffusion training
it always just boils down to "make the image look like shit to own the AI chuds"
Its about making the image look like shit without getting filtered from the data set.
Glazing was solved in a week. This shit will be solved in a week. The only thing this is going to achieve is that inkcels make their doodles look even shittier than they were.
this is how new movements in art start
>One of the things we learned since first deploying Glaze in march 2023 was that we did not understand how artists typically worked. Many work primarily on mobile devices, and few had access to powerful computers with GPUs.
Holy shit, bot is actually right about zoomers. They do not even have PCs, lmao.
I'm a (20 year old) zoomer but it was wild to learn how many of my coworkers, a substantial amount of them being older than me, don't have a desktop or even a laptop at home. They're just as surprised to learn I don't have a phone
this post for some reason reminds me of the old copypasta of anon going through fps reload animations whiile rotating his hips and bending hiis knees to "dance" at a club.
Yeaaah... I'm gonna need sauce.
>Glazing was solved in a week
?
Yesh
>creator of glaze
doesn't bode well, is there a paper, all I'm seeing is a bunch of fluff news articles
Yes here's the paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/2310.13828
Fwiw image2dataset and other scraping tools has hash verification. So you can't swap out images from existing datasets like for example the LAION to poison the data.
The work from the nightshade team seems legit though. But yeah, dunno, it seems like fixing these adverserial example is tantamount to development in computer vision. Would like to hear the opinion from an expert though
I read the article and it is a huge nothingburger.
>What if we take a picture of a cat and blend it into the picture of a dog?
Guess what, moron, this shit is trivial to detect.
>Trivially to detect
Automatically? They claimed it wasn't trivially detectable in the paper... I can't really say either way as I'm not an expert, but what makes you say it is?
>They claimed it wasn't trivially detectable in the paper...
It isn't visually detected (by a human). In the paper they say that this additional image must have strong recall in the generational model, so it will be detected by AI and then filtered out by a human.
>AI says there should be a dog AND a cat on the pic, but I don't see any cat. Into the trash it goes.
Also they rely on knowing the architecture of the AI model. I suspect that the future AI models will include something that works like "salt" in the "salted hash". Some preliminary or intermediate step with a fixed seed that makes the AI weights completely different and immune to such targeted attacks.
I just read the paper. The technique that they use is that they use an existing model for embedding both the prompt, the anchor image. Then they generate a new image that looks like the anchor image, but that is close in embedding feature space to the anchor image.
This should not be transferable across models. But, you can see by their experimental results that it actually sort of is. Why?
Well, they essentially rely on the fact that all the publicly available text-image models out there are trained on the same set of data. They chose to only benchmark models trained on LAION. Then, when they went to select some example images to poison, where did they get them? That's right, from LAION. This is highly problematic. They do not disclose this.
So, the technique relies on knowing what specific dataset they're training on. And, ideally, the exact model weights that they're trying to finetune. Even if those issues weren't present, the evaluation is still flawed because they finetune by overwriting data that's already in the training set.
However, all this is not to say that the technique doesn't work. It probably does. It's probably a very effective way to poison datasets, since, again, everyone uses LAION and Stable Diffusion. If you can figure out a way to post a bunch of these poisoned text-image pairs and point LAION's scraper at it, you could probably do some damage if you wanted to.
So essentially it confuses the AI because it can't distinguish between the two classes of image?
...but wouldn't then training on a set including that data teach it a better representation of classes, and defeat itself? Does this only defeat fine-tuning, which has a highly curated dataset regardless?
not him but any technique designed to attack/defeat AIs just ends up being a new way to train the AI to handle such information
Stable Diffusion models are trained on text-image pairs. Specifically, they're trained to minimize the distance between their understanding of the text and their understanding of the image. Using the understanding of the text, they start with RGB noise, then iteratively denoise in the literal direction (because it's a vector) of its understanding of the image. After 50 to 500 iterations or so, you have your generated image.
So, by constructing a poison image that's roughly halfway between the text and the anchor image (up to some |delta| < p for each iteration of denoising), then training on it, you're moving the concepts closer to each other in the text/image understanding vectorspace. This leads to the model confusing the concepts with each other.
This effect is made even more powerful due to the sparsity of the concepts. There are a lot of different concepts out there on the internet. Compute budgets are only so large. There may only be 100 text-image pairs of mickey mouse that you train on. If you add 500 poison images to the dataset replacing mickey mouse with anal sex, the concepts are going to end up basically on top of each other and you're going to end up with basically mickey mouse equals anal sex. But, crucially, without actually including any extra images to the dataset that a human could look at and identify as such.
Wouldn't that only apply to a frozen text encoder? Otherwise, the "middle point" will change right? I guess experimentally it works for a sufficiently small number of samples, but I don't understand why repeatedly training on the poison samples(in addition to the other samples) wouldn't cause the model and text encoder to learn to differentiate them.
So they can poison LAION by tricking trainers into thinking a dog is a cat? Somehow I think that's better than it already thinking a dog is a <b>50% off buy one now</b> on our blog only available for a limited time in Vancouver! Stop by today and you won't regret it!
They're already improving the datasets for us!
Yeah, tbh it's hard to imagine LAION getting any more poisoned.
>how such technology might work
It cannot. If it actually changes something for AI then it is trivial to add a filter to remove such data.
And, if it is available openly it is even possible to crack it and fix the data.
Yeah, the only way to not be replaced is to draw something that AI will not do because of "ethics" or other shit - dicky, xenophobia, copyrighted materials.
>dicky, xenophobia, copyrighted materials
SD can do all of that. What it struggles with is any coherent interactions which is also a challenge for most of the artgays.
Nothing changes for good artists obviously.
the problem with nightshade is you have to poison your own art for it to work. it wont work for the same reasons condom doesn't work; user wont put it on since it makes the experience worse.
Gemerald
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>Gemerald
beautiful
>might work
There's always loopholes to avoid restrictions or sabotages in every regard of life
>online artists hate capitalism and the concept of money and copyright in general, want everything for free
>suddenly, art is free and open
>online artists are mad
I, for one, LOVE seeing these entitled homosexuals have their livelihoods ruined.
From what few discussions I've had, they love copyright solely because it prevents Disney from "stealing" Clara the non-binary green haired demoness, however they have no issues in drawing her on a pirated copy of Clip Studio Paint running on a pirated copy of Windows. Also artists should be paid residuals but don't even consider making your drawing program they weren't even gonna pay for anyway require a subscription
>Clara the non-binary green haired demoness
¿
It's a stand-in for whatever shit they don't want a big company to not "steal"
I've argued this and their counter is "Well, I can draw Disney characters if I want to anyway+Clara the non-binary green-haired demoness means a lot more to me than that"
the thing that breaks my brain is that if copywrite didn't exist they could just use popular characters indiscriminately and thus pwn shitney hard but noooo obviously bizney will somehow cuck them when they have zero talent.
They're not *real* artists anyway.
Being an artist isn't about your homosexual ego-trip; it's about the art. The art is all that matters. The art is a vision of beauty. It reaches to the infinite beyond and serves up a morsel for us lowly flesh suits to marvel at.
Real artists know this.
Real artists don't have a temper tantrum because their bloated identity and goybux are in jeopardy.
So yes, seeing these homosexuals ruined and freaking the frick out is just the universe balancing itself.
Based. The closest I can relate to this is making shitty reaction pics and OC. I do it for free because it is fun and I like it when people enjoy it enough to repost it.
And this is why most arts ended up poor, because they did it for the chase not for fame and money.
boohoo work for free you stupid pansy drawgays
this but unironically
t. drawgay working for free
it's nice to have passion 😀 I do wish artgays were financially secure so we wouldn't be having this debate in the first place.
Most humans don't have the money or time to learn art. For those who chose art as their way to make money, most professional artists don't have time or money to truly improve or make what they actually want to make. In a world of ever-increasing speed and pressure, AI allows me, a former drawgay, to just sit down, relax, and "make" after work. It's not as good as the real thing but I'm too tired and busy for the real thing now.
I think for "retired" artists or for people who are too frustrated to learn art, AI will become an important channel for expressing oneself. Way more people have "artist vision" than I previously thought. The practice of their hands deploying what their minds sees was limiting to what they wanted to communicate. They want to put their dreams out there while still living their current lives. AI art generation is beautiful, but its potential for misuse is too great to ignore.
I want to see what non-artists would make if they were artists. I don't want art to be limited by years of practice, years of hating yourself for not being good enough.
>just sit down, relax, and "make" after work
Are you really making something if you have no control over it? You are literally just telling someone, in this case someone who is incapable of being inspired or original, to draw it for you. It isn't your creation, you can't look at it and think that you'd draw the same thing too
>The practice of their hands deploying what their minds sees was limiting to what they wanted to communicate. They want to put their dreams out there while still living their current lives.
>I want to see what non-artists would make if they were artists. I don't want art to be limited by years of practice, years of hating yourself for not being good enough.
Art doesn't have to be perfect, it shouldn't be. Art is personal, it reflects the artist, the ai art doesn't reflect your vision, it only reflects your idea - yes, both of these are different. It doesn't matter if your art isn't aesthetically pleasing, it reflects a lot about you. The minor details that only you could have implemented, it isn't 'perfect', but it's better than anything that is simply just that.
My little brother, a few years back, made a drawing on a big poster sheet. He sat there for 3-4 days making it and it was a movie poster of sorts littered with hundreds of small things like that. There was a joke with the dreamworks logo mascot stealing stuff with his fishing rod and stuff like that. You don't get that with AI, it was all his vision and he implemented it, tuned it, made it work even if it wasn't pretty. It wasn't aesthetically pleasing but it was still better than anything you see in the ai threads here. I mean even their prompts are so uncreative, there's no inspiration there either. That's not what i want, if you do, i can't agree with you, sorry.
Also, for the anon in
. I actually have no problem with that. As long as the artist has complete control, it's good, it's genuine and im fine with it. Directly building a picture from a picture in your brain is completely fair, it's just an extension of your own abilities, not through a proxy
All of that is true. It's a poor replacement, but it's the only one I've got. I don't know that I will ever have the free time or energy to draw more than once every few months. I would like to see the technology advance to a point that helps people bring out their creative side instead of attempting to replace it.
>I would like to see the technology advance to a point that helps people bring out their creative side instead of attempting to replace it
Me too, i just don't think generative AI models are that technology
yes
People would buy shit that's cool. You could cultivate a following with loyal fans. Any media could do this. All they have to do is not make everything so gay and pandering to some specific group. I'm pretty sure a lot of the people they complain about and the racists would make better shit. Why do movies and games made by gay ass corpo lefty people suck wiener? They can't write non White straight male characters. Everything they make is gay, pandering, and cringe. Nooo if we let this right leaning guy make stuff, he might actually make stuff that everyone enjoys. Noo minorities are gonna like it. I won't let that happen! They're insufferable.
>They're not *real* artists anyway.
I remember when boomers said the same thing about digital art as a whole lmao
You can only make the art you talk about, and focus on art above else if you’re financially secure. Else, your art remains a hobby or side project you may not be able to dedicate much time or practice to because you gotta work for income.
But since there’s no UBI or handouts for artists specifically, many are forced to make soulless garbage that appeals to companies and the masses, and worry about their ‘goybux’ or else they’ll have to stop being an artist or be unable to pay the bills.
So if you want real artists who just care about the art and not money, I suggest aiding in creating a system that ensures the livelihood of artists independent of their art output. If that’s not done, your idea of a real artist and real art is restricted to rich kids living off of parents’ wealth who don’t have to worry about income and can spend their time how they please.
yeah or maybe they could get a full time job doing something they hate like the rest of us and do the art on the weekends, using the misery of waging to enhance the quality of their art
>rich kids living off of parents’ wealth who don’t have to worry about income and can spend their time how they please.
i think this is what happened to journalism. when internships in DC pay $20-30k, these are the people who will be applying and getting those jobs.
>creating a system
That system has existed for a thousand years
It's called having a patron
All of the famous artists you've ever heard of before the modern era had rich patrons willing to fund their skills for some say in what the output is going to be
And there's the real challenge
In such a system there's no room for mediocre and middling artists, who are the ones complaining.
Truly skilled artists will never be put out of work no matter the era
I spend my wage money on you fartists you ungrateful Black person. only I don't get to sit at home and do what I claim to love. or more accurately, don't do what I claim to love because its toooo hard and AI is mean, and I need 5 weeks to even start on the project you paid me for.
and this is verbatim why ai jpgs will never be art
if you can instantly identify the work as ai, you know it is not a thing of beauty
in the eye of the beholder? nay
not even a work fit for mom's fridge
You can't irreversibly poison a well without ruining your own water supply. Whatever anyone tries to do will be reversible. Even then, it's too late. No amount of digital snake oil will put the genie back in the bottle.
I'm an artist and I fricking love AI. It's decreased my workload tremendously and made me a better artist by way of really going into the fine details of anatomy and art styles. Now I don't know what the frick a "real" artist is supposed to be. I make what I think looks good for my own enjoyment and satisfaction and if it sells (and it tends to) then hey, free money.
All these dipshits b***hing and moaning are uncreative hacks who don't know how to use new tools as they are developed. They're just pissed that the average user can now use AI to duplicate or do better than their tartlet sonic OC tier "art" instead of commissioning their mediocrity. Meanwhile, anyone with half a brain is doing shit like training LORAs on their own artstyle to be able to bang out fast backgrounds or do on the fly pose adjustment. It's like listening to a painter b***h that photoshop will put them out of business.
But there are no real artists left.
Divine light was sewered, they're all flash automatons animated by neurotransmitters
I understood that clotshot reference.
People who say this are never artists themselves.
>art is free and open
it's hardly open when the vast majority of the good models are closed source
Freebros will have their revenge.
teething problems. Everything's come so far in a few short years and it's only going to get better.
Can't say if free models will ever be as good as closed source, but the technology advances drastically nevertheless.
In a few years we'll complain that SD9000 is shit because it can't render individual pubic hairs with micron precision like DALL-E VMAX PRO TURBO
>Dall-e rendering porn for anyone but OpenAI and Microsoft Execs
if only the free models didn't get lawsuited by seething fartists radicalized by corporate glowBlack folk.
Free and open is the overstatement of the century when you're allowed to 60 prompts per week and half of them will only return the stupid dog with the "um sweaty your prompt is le problematic :("
But don't let reality get in your way when you can just keep defending big corpos for free (and open).
Are you moronic? Don't answer that. No one on BOT has ever said DALL-E is free or open lmao
Stable Diffusion is free and open.
>I can't type Black person endlessly into a text box, the west has truly fallen
>troonygger
>i have a right to be protected from things that make me shit my diaper
I literally can't get BingAI to generate anything for me but the most benign shit like, "draw me a potted plant". Anything even remotely more complicated it says it can't draw. Fricking useless. (Hotpot is decent though.)
If anything these people are stopping an AI takeover, assuming that's a possibility. You should be more grateful. Being a racist troll is saving us from Terminator and the Matrix.
You will never be a real artist.
That’s a praise anon, given modern artist is an entitled queer homosexual
Why haven't we pogrommed artists yet? Now that we have AI and a robust set of data, we can just kill all the whiners, leaving only us generically superior BOT users free to use all their work for without charge. This goes double for Japanese artists who are far too protective of their trash work that I jerk off exclusively to.
>superior BOT users
we're all getting replaced, don't think it just stops with art
Thanks.
>Artists
>Hating copyright
As if they are not the reason, or at the least the willing excuse, for why we have got to such dystopian copyright schemes then?
>suddenly, art is free and open
What stopped you before AI?
That's like saying
>What blocked people from gamedev before the game engines became available for 0 cost.
Art is 0 cost
>Art is 0 cost
Writing a game engine and then writing your game on it is 0 cost.
>no response
Pseudointellectual homosexual btfo, good job anon
most art is also shit
no tooling
Nothing? why should they start getting in the way now?
Pretty much this, I don't even care about the concert of AI itself, this is the only reason I support Stable Diffusion.
You can say the same about ITbros, strawman-kun.
It's not so much that they hate capitalism as they love big tech platforms like twitter and love following algorithms.
The reason AI art is working so well is because artists all draw the same shit, chasing trends. AI just exposes how soulless and homogenized professional art has become to the point there's so much of the same shit out there that you can literally feed it into a computer.
i support the development of small businesses and the destruction of large corporations.
i think this is a capitalist concept
Not every artist is liberal and not every artist is online. It’s a strawman and you create a specific group in your mind to be mad about
Leave it be anon, these people are mentally ill and have a grudge against people who try
>smoothie.png
>image of a milkshake
Still remember when they said that computers could never into arts and creative work
how does this strawman even logically make sense lmao
if they hate capitalism, hating a capitalist corporation that wants to profit off their own labor makes total sense
unless you're a fricking moron who thinks simple trade = capitalism
rightoids and libertoids are mentally ill
Not even an artist but taking the human component out of it greatly reduce the artistic value of it. It's slop, just like ordering industrial food vs an actual meal, the former is automatized to hell and back while the later is still showing skill, knowledge and judgment (despite the use of advanced tools the human preparing the dish is remains the main actor).
AI is soulless, it's useful, but what it produces is cheap according to me.
>AI is soulless, it's useful, but what it produces is cheap according to me.
which is exactly what 99% of "artists" produce
brown person
artists hate capitalism and the concept of money and copyright in general, want everything for free
you pulled this out of your ass, not a single working artist hates capitalism.
Just 2 more years bro.
it's still not replaced artists, and dall-e 3 already blown it out, then successfully nerfed by microjew.
>coping
>redditjak
>fake BOT filename
pathetic
>Captain Strawman, the seething homosexual's fetish doll
cope Aicel
Me too. It's makes my pp super hard imagining some over worked tired dork working 12 hours at Starbucks realizing he'll never "make it big" with his "art" and be able to pay off his $100k of students loans (for an art degree lol)
Now get back to work and make me my coffee!
>every artist in the world as the same opinions as an american liberal
Please just have a nice day immediately or go leave and then have a nice day there
>if you don't want current thing to exist then you should not be subject to the conditions of the current thing despite not having any control over it like the rest of humanity
>flesh suits
Stopped reading there. Reddit materialist bugman detected.
They still can't. All those inputs still come from human rational souls.Thing is, AI-generated images almost always feels "off" for stuff that is judged according to art. Because it lacks human harmony in the production of that thing.
>Because it lacks human harmony in the production of that thing.
Shut up you fricking pseud.
>I, for one, LOVE seeing these entitled homosexuals have their livelihoods ruined
Other than the huge strawman pulled out of your arse, same
The most based post ITT
Hyper-based accelerationist
Yes, beautiful
artists hate capitalism and the concept of money and copyright in general, want everything for free
But that isn't true. They've always wanted to copyright their work, and to get paid for their work. And they wouldn't want things for free. They want everyone to get paid for their work.
Learn to draw
Artists BTFO and exposed
A joy to read like minded individuals
Mostly brought on themselves when they kept on price fixing the art market by telling anyone getting into it to do commissions to "know your worth" (lol)
Literally no reason why you should go to an artist now when you can get 70%~ of the quality for 0% of the price and then with some know-how make up the other 20-30%
Isn't this like the 5th attempt at "poisoning" training data?
When will they realize that their pozzing can just as easily be unpozzed, every time?
can't transform noise into signal
That's exactly what AI image generation is doing.
Where’s the tool to automatically report “artists” to IRS?
nothingburger
also digital luddites aren't humans. can't wait for government sponsored suicide pods
screenshots it just like i did with nft's defeats all the hidden noise
Save it as jpeg to add crust in.
Based grifters using anti-AI hysteria to scam self-important morons out of their money.
Selling snake oil always been lucrative
>Internet artists, the most intelligent and capable people on the planet, have again devised a new scheme to outsmart the data scientists to destroy AI art once and for all.
Uh... stable bros? What do we do?
>What do we do?
keep cooming
Do the models even need 'new' data when they've already got billions of images to work with?
I can see it for if you're trying to make a celebrity image of a newly famous person or a new anime character, but for general stuff shouldn't the old data sets be fine?
I was wondering the same thing. Just train on images before this was released. Also according to the pearl clutchers over on HN, this is easily filtered out. Image makers can keep coming up with unique poisons but the LLM folks can keep coming up with antidotes for each one. I suspect the well funded AI people will outlast the filthy artists in that cat and mouse game, especially since the value of new images is rather low.
No they don't, the online ones collect which generated images people actually approve and that adversarial system refines it.
The same company will also sell a tool to detect the tampering.
It can be even better: the company is founded by Big AI to:
>serve as the controlled opposition
>block any other tampering competitors
>block their AI competitors
It's amazing to me how they always underestimate programmers. There's no better puzzle solver in the world than a good programmer. I play puzzle games for fun when I'm not coding.
And yet these stupid artists are challenging programmers with the easiest puzzle to solve? How clueless can you get.
this reads like reddit. kys.
You're either mad that your efforts at poisoning AI are useless, or you're mad that I'm good at puzzle games and I can solve any issue in the world.
Sorry I'm better than you.
programmers are dumb as bricks.
no
Let me guess, they draw bad hands "on purpose"?
No, they have been drawing ugly globohomosexual art, PoCs and trannies for the last ten years on purpose.
Artgays are always one step ahead, AIcels.
Jokes on them, I wanted to generate globohomosexual artwork featuring PoC's and realistic trannies!
>2 girls, nsfw, futa with female, blowjob, female masturbation, Korra, Asami
All art that matters has already existed for hundreds of years
Plenty can still be painted. In a few hundred years the guards fighting back against Trump's forces will be a certified classic.
I mean as training material
Literally just train off of art that has fallen into the public domain and then lobby politicians to undo the Mickey Mouse Protection act.
That is not the Night's Watch, the daces have been changed
I know I have a replica on my toilet
>genshin impact is hundreds of years old
Big if true.
>this thread
Is this some shill campaign against artists run by tech companies?
Partly is. The other part is coomers + neckbeard mentality. Their coombrains are too addicted to 'genning' shit tier art showing on their whim that they forget what they're supporting against what. Their hate for 'normalgays' is so overwhelming that they are ready to antagonize them against literal these tech companies. They have forgotten how to see other people as human, that word has lost any meaning to them. To their deluded fantasies AI somehow means Democratization of art. To them art isn't a form of human expression, unique to each experience and person, it's just an image they can consume and be done with. Yes, a vast majority of commercialized art is shit and soulless but there are many many more people who genuinely just express themselves through it. It's their form of connection to the world, they make something and the world feels it, reacts to it, they communicate with the greater will of mankind. Most of these humans don't have proper art skills, their art feels amateur and could be improved thousandfold by a professional on a purely visual level but on a skill cannot translate the art on a visceral level.
These moronic coombrains hate soulless Commercialized art, that's not a problem, i hate it too. But their solution to it is more of that soulless art?? Mass produced, even if free it's still soulless. It unironically fills me with a great warmth to see a doodle, bad as it is, drawn by a child with full depths of emotion compared to more soulless art generated simply to be consumed with no sense of humanity.
They argue it's like game engines or other 'productivity tools'. No they are not, these older tools didn't snatch creativity away from you. They 'democratized' art by simplifying the elements that didn't directly influence the artistic aspects. Yes, creating a good program is art, i know that but to some people it might be less relevant and so you had proper control. You don't with these AI 'Art' tools, all you do is prompt. (TBC..)
tl:dr skipped to the last sentence
>You don't with these AI 'Art' tools, all you do is prompt.
good thing too I got no time for morons today
I don't want to dehumanize these people though. Something somewhere somewhen went very wrong with our society for them to end up like this, these people aren't evil, they've just been stranded in this little corner of their souls, unable to escape, their mindscape gradually following by closing out understanding of their fellow human beings. It slowly has turned into hatred, for petty differences, muddling the spirit of humanity within them. Yes, a lot of zoomer stuff is cringe but these zoomers are also just trying to find their place in the world, they're learning, I did too and the generation before mine hated it, it's natural, differences are natural, hate is too but you can hate without dehumanizing, you can disagree without turning the other into a a mere shadow of what they really are. If you are ready to support soulless emergent automatons over a fellow human, you really need to calm down, stop and understand that person.
We create art for many reasons, not just to consume it. Why am i writing this rant? I know there will be dudes like
and i know that this rant will not make a shred of a difference where this tech is headed but i want to tell how i feel, nothing more. That's all the reason i need. That's all the reason art needs, there's no motive purer than that.
I know I started this rant aggressively and that's because that's how i felt at that time, but seriously, i still love you all anons, and all other people too(
too ofc), there's differences, yes, and ill get angry and call you all morons, yes, but i still love you, and i don't need a reason for that. I hate ai simply because it shuts off many opportunities for people i love to express themselves. This rant was just a long winded way to express that.
relax my man AI is a meme
what the frick are you on about
Like I get what you are trying to say but you sound fricking high, to the point I had to use chatGPT to summarize the ramblings
Is it really a mystery? They are in danger of becoming last centuries lamplighters. As a whole most of them have been rendered unnecessary. AI is showing us the "human experience" isn't special. We too are just large data models. A few differences here and there but the gap is closing fast. It was always gonna come to this and them trying to scrape by is the oldest story in terms of human advancement. Modern luddites. Its honestly a little funny. It will only get funnier as more industries start to capitulate.
not reading all that
i'm happy for you tho
or sorry that happened
>These moronic coombrains hate soulless Commercialized art, that's not a problem, i hate it too. But their solution to it is more of that soulless art?? Mass produced, even if free it's still soulless.
It's unbelievable as someone who prompts and someone who actually pays actual money for artists to draw concept art for me that takes as stupid as yours exist. post your work.
>who prompts and someone who actually pays actual money for artists to draw concept art for me
both are literally the same thing and completely creatively devoid lmao. You have no role in making either, you aren't an artist, cope.
I'm not that guy but
>both are literally the same thing
Is a completely false statement (along with having an incorrect use of the world literally)
When you commission something you get as much creative input as the artist does, you don't just say "please draw sonic inflation" and then, at a later date, get your output. Revisions are a thing and good artists with good work ethic will give you plenty of instances where you can realign, revise and redo the artistic direction of your commissioned work. It's much more engaging and dynamic than just inputting something in a function or a black box then bruteforcing it until you get what you want
thats a lot of words when you could have just told this twatter tard to post his fricking work
here. He's not the anon you're targeting, i am and i won't post any 🙂 eat shit
>dumb moron admits to being illiterate in addition to having no drawing skills
what a gay.
Sure anon, I am. Ill make sure to write this internet 'win' to your Account, meanwhile you can actually try to make something yourself instead of telling others to. Trust me, even though i totally haven't made any, it's fulfilling
anon I'm not going to take advice from someone who doesn't know how to read nor never learned what teamwork is
Don't. Be happy as you are anon. you're clearly impossible to get through and i respect that. I just hope you develop a better understanding of art, which i know nothing of, as you go.
I want to face frick madoka
They are. Do you know anything about prooompting? it doesn't always give you the correct thing and you have to continually refine the prompt moron. It is the same thing, the only thing is you're discussing shit with a sentient human being instead of an algorithm. You're truly fricking clueless
also not him but where he was confusing playing the slots with a dozen neural networks trained by other people + maybe a lora fine tuned by himself with being a patron of art, you're confusing being a patron of art, and actually making art.
prompting:
You type words into a box, explaining what it is you want drawn - however statistics happens and you get an image dependent on what associations the training data has with your words, filtered through every model that is fed your prompt, resulting in a fairly noisy image, with the image constrained by the limitations of describing a picture in words. Neural networks, even language models capable of writing fine prose, don't understand what you mean. Despite share pumping PR campaigns, ML is not artificial intelligence.
paying an artist:
You type words into a box, explaining to the artist, what it is you want drawn. They try to figure out as best as they can, what you want drawn. The human has intelligence, he can understand the idea being conveyed by your words, and even if the words themselves carry limited meaning, the human can figure out what a novel combination represents without coping with the unknown by adding random limbs.
actually making art:
You have an idea, you take a brush or whatever, and you get it down on paper or digitally as best as you can, until you're happy. If you're not very good, it won't even be close to the idea you have. When you get better, that gap will close. It doesn't take much practice to begin to find ML deeply unsatisfying and overly restricted.
It turns out that nobody cares about the emotional expression of part-time baristas
>ask AI to generate a literal cat picture
>got cp instead
>mysterious black van appears in front of my house
>ask AI to generate cp
>get dog picture instead
>delete microsoft account
>install sd
They don't have to do anything. Writing words is just not the same, and will never be the same, as actually coding or drawing your ideas.
Most people don't have it in them to learn to program, or learn to draw. They just want dopamine. Prompting endlessly for hours in sloppy English is perfect for them. I'm not surprised I see midwits defending it, it's as though it was made to keep them occupied and keep them from advancing their skills.
>You'll own nothing, and you'll be happy
>you have to do it the hard way because you just have to mmmmkay.
>n-no it's not because I'll feel like I wasted my life
future incarnations of this technology will be direct brain-to-image. Far superior to text or drawing
>of this technology
Getting a picture directly from your brain isn't prompting, though, it's just cutting out the actual moving your hand part of drawing.
This would be a good thing for AI if it works. The recent explosion of generative AI has made it so that AI is being trained on AI-generated material instead of human-generated.
Cannibalism is bad for AI. Not catastrophically bad, but bad. We're just letting it happen because it's not catastrophic. Some dumbfricks are even encouraging it. We need a catastrophic failure if we're going to start watching what our AI is eating, and a successful "poison" would be just that.
AI art cannibalizing is, in itself, beautiful to witness. But I'm biased because I love AI horror lol
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>tech is used on a still image
>image is saved on the interbutts
>tech progresses beyond initial point
>image still archived
u seriously didn't see how this is a bit of a problem? lol
New art isn't needed anyway, the old data is sufficient.
the same thing was already done with large language models btw, its called "gptslop"
any data that contains typical GPT-style refusals like picrel :
and the funny thing, you can not remove it from the model, its only possible if you have large ass server with H100's inside.
i don't think i've seen this script before
yandex ocr recognises it though, and google translate supports it
i uh, don't know why it would consider this a bad thing to ask
I have had ChatGPT translate Wikipedia articles from Georgian into English and didn't do the stupid ethics bullshit "excuse" to wimp out of being useful.
>socially unbiased
>inclusivity
pick one
also, "inclusivity" isn't a real word
It is now
How do people keep falling for this shit? Wasn't Glaze supposed to the same thing?
I did not expect to see my native language outside BOT on this hellscape.
Alright Joseph Stalin
(He's the only Georgian I can name off the top of my head)
>Try this
>Accidentally create novel features in the neural network
>These novel features almost invariably lead to emergent capabilities
>Models only get smarter and better
Poisoning what? 99% of the models being trained are using anime/manga images, and sampling from from foreign galleries. The westerners making a fuss about it don't even make good art.
Nooo you don't understand, AI won't survive without the calarts slop those morons were posting.
That's one of the most hilarious parts of the seething, like I can actually understand and sympathize with some of the concerns regarding AI stuff but the people screeching the loudest about imagegen are almost invariably making the most unfathomably soulless slop ever conceived by mankind, their work already looks AI generated to begin with due to how uninteresting it is
That reply perfectly matches with the mental capability i had estimated for you.
Inb4 it becomes illegal to poison AI training data but not illegal to steal/scrape the entire web 5 times every single second
Get your shit together America
>This thread
I am now 100% convinced that the whole "make the generative ai models free for the public to use at a loss" idea was a plan to get the coomers addicted to it, so they can defend these corporations scraping the entire web while doing insane mental gymnastics for it
being artist is the most worthless job on this planet, even toilet janny has greater value in society
This is what I do with AI
I can't draw for shit but this gives me a form of freedom to give shape to my deranged fantasies
she's cute
I agree
It's the standard foxgirl of the model I used, downloaded for free and using SD A111
Love that model even for non-kemono.
that's a pretty niche topic for me
There are 16 pages if anyone wants them
her dress isn't even consistent
I didn;t prompt for it specific, it's more about expression
one could make a Lora and have it exact in any pic, yet I only have 6g vram
>franzen
vile israelites poisoning the well as per usual.
What if AI just trains on itself?
google model collapse moronic little frogposter
OK?
What if, models are trained on pictures generated by people who use the service and they just use images that users save and not the discarded trash?
You see, every output has an error. If it feeds on generated outputs, it will destroy itself in a second.
>in a second
That's very fast.
Wish artists wouldn't be such pussies and instead of fearing AI use it as a tool.
i think more and more are doing just that
you can train it on your style, feed it a sketch and it will literally make it in your style, then a bit of fixing which is easy bc you can actually draw and presto
This let's artists create much faster. And if you want to be the "real deal" just paint in real life. Physical paintings will always be valuable. (Unless no one knows you and big ART brokers don't want you to be famous, lol)
No tell me
So I'll post it then?
etc.
This is nice. I don't like anime and it would be a bit harder to do with actual faces, but still really cool. Good job anon. Frick the haters.
Who uses edge? The girl or the guy?
none of them, it's a joke (like edge)
But she uses Firefox (for the meme, like, she's a fox, but she thinks the anti-ad addon is really handy
I guarantee this can be defeated with a single line of code when processing training data
Yeah by saving the picture again as jpg with lower quality.
wouldn't this additional data make those art looks like ai slop ?
Anon your comic looks like ass ngl, partially because the illustrations look terrible, but mostly because the horrible panel-layout. Please look at some IRL examples of good paneling and use that to improve please.
I should, I can gen much cleaner now, and it might make more sense to me than someone else
getting exactly hat you want is a right b***h tho, applause to the guy genning someone grabbing someone's wrist
I liked your comic but only because of my bias with fox girls.
a very understandable bias
Guys, guys, guys ,GUY!
Imagine poisoning digital art with cp hashes.
based. art needs to stay human. only unsociable losers disagree and cope about being a talentless outcast by slobbering over ai slop. sad thing is it probably wont work and theyll just detect the poison
The Inkcel seethes
>that article photo
That's not how it works LMAO
All artists should be publicly executed and their work made free to everyone
for real this time or just another nothingburger like glaze?
What the fick is glaze!!! ANSWER. ME
I draw stick figures
>AI art
No such thing. All the shit is no different from visualization by Windows Media Player.
*This* is how we get rogue AI inimical to human life, i.e. "SkyNet" -- get ready for AI that takes the "poison" but "mutates" in an unexpected way into something the creators of this "Nightshade" certainly wouldn't like.
>screencap this foresightful post for posterity
In an analogy: AI is cars; human artists are horsedrawn carriages.
I, for one, heartily welcome our bright future!
I don't understand what the moronic "artists" have against AI. Most people will never pay them or commission them for anyhting, especially not those who use AI to create the art.
"B-but the soul of art..."
Shut the frick up, I don't care. I want to create a picture, look at it, maybe coom and then forget about it. Do they really think most people care about "soul" or anything like that? I want results and if AI can do that, then I will use it.
Not to mention many artists are absolute entitled scum and deserve all this.
>I don't understand what the moronic "artists" have against AI.
>Most people will never pay them or commission them for anyhting, especially not those who use AI to create the art.
If I was an artist, I think I'd at least be a little annoyed at the notion that people are distributing bootleg versions of my artstyle. Wouldn't really have anything to do with not getting paid for it and whatnot. Then again, the same end could be achieved by another artist copying one's style, so maybe nothing's changed really. Other than it being more accessible to everyone.
What a useless thing. It can only target a single model, as if the artist were to know in advance which model is about to train on their images. The moment the trainer sees the result, they'll just pass it to a denoise filter and train it again. Does nothing when it's not an open model (DallE/Midjourney).
>What a useless thing. It can only target a single model, as if the artist were to know in advance which model is about to train on their images
what the frick are you talking about? this doesn't "target" a model. this would affect literally any model that trains on a dataset containing poisoned images. most of those datasets are scraped from the internet, or some are images they host/index like google's. in any case, assuming there are enough of these poisoned images around the net, they would have a fair chance of being included in any recent datasets. also the people who made this method claim it's extremely difficult to identify poisoned images in order to de-pozz them but that remains to be proven.
Read the paper Black person, you're probably parroting the buzzwords they spout. It needs to know the model to generate the adverse noise and "poison" the model so it can't create loras.
It moved from being worried about racism to being worried about them generating cool shit. Wait until we get AI video. These people are whiny cowards. Who cares if people make good shit. It opens doors for everyone, even them. The industry is left leaning anyway. These left leaning critics are just people who haven't found success. They can't stand to see some guy who may be somewhat right wing generate some kino. Even non racist kino. They have to prevent that. They're not the class conscious gays they claim. They're insufferable. homosexual leftists gatekeep art so much. That's why they are all freaking out. People don't want to watch some homosexual shit. They want Chrome Lords or some nice kids show that isn't trying to teach their kid about dilating homosexuals. Barney moron, remember him. They want Barney. Frickin' insufferable morons.
the whole time the same people think gatekeeping is just bullshit and do everything in their power to tear those walls down, for social justice. Fricking hypocrites.
I have no idea what this is. make a better post next time
>they dont know about clint eastwood
please, tell me how you know a given image is "souless" vs "soulful"(?). you have nothing other than feelings backing your argument.
soulful - prompted in dall-e
soulless - SDshit
poor miku shouldn't have looked through my computer
>lobotomize AI good!
>uncensored AI bad!
Just in case anyone was wondering what kind of shill post this is
Don't human artists look at other artists and incorporate things that they cook up in their "imagination" based upon some of those inputs? How is AI art training different than that? If anything, modern artists should be paying the estates of dead artists.
yes
this only makes sense if you don't look at it from the deluded perspective of "evil AI corporations have enough money to track down each and every furry artist they trained on and pay them royalties so they damn well should"
same logic that makes people think they should be paid royalties when someone tracks their clicks and sells them in bulk to advertisers. they don't realize they'd be receiving minuscule fractions of a cent per month.
The arguments about AI being "theft" are just a red herring. Artists will also piss their pants and cry if you bring up Adobe Firefly, which was trained entirely on art that Adobe has rights to. Many artists online that screech about this sort of thing are just the types that are in it purely because they want attention and praise from others. They're scared that the proliferation of generative AI will take away their fanbase (if they even have one.)
That's because they are not artists. They are prompt processors. They add no value to the job besides following instructions. Anyone who is creative and actually adds value is not threatened by ai but the gays that just do commission work where they receive and input and draw that will finally be automated.
Notice how ai has taken over music album covers.
>Notice how ai has taken over music album covers.
Has it? I don't really pay much attention to the music industry, but I have seen some examples of AI art being used by game companies with DnD and Call of Duty using AI generated art for stuff.
Yes exactly. If these artists never saw a single thing in their life, what would they paint, draw, imagine. A person whose been blind their whole life can't paint an apple. They've never seen one. If you deprived a person of senses, could they make art as we view it. No absolutely fricking not.
"Artists" can suck on my fat nuts for all I care. I never commissioned any of them before AI, and I'm still not commissioning them if AI is kill.
https://github.com/RichardAragon/NightshadeAntidote
suck me Black person.
Why would you think that spectral analysis is going to help you discover if an image was generated by nightshade or not? It doesn't work like that. Spectral analysis could potentially help you figure out if an image was generated by a text-image model or not, but definitely doesn't help you against nightshade specifically. You would have to do embedding distance comparisons to predicted attack concepts for the model (or model dataset) you want to protect. Similar techniques are already built into a lot of production data cleaning pipelines.
Spectral analysis gives you less than nothing, and you should be embarrassed for having posted this. Go learn some basic machine learning.
Humanity is so moronic