THEY HAVE TO STOP AI.
TOO MANY PEOPLE WILL LOSE THEIR JOBS.
THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO STEP IN.
THEY HAVE TO STOP AI. TOO MANY PEOPLE WILL LOSE THEIR JOBS. THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO STEP IN.
THEY HAVE TO STOP AI.
TOO MANY PEOPLE WILL LOSE THEIR JOBS.
THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO STEP IN.
It's true though. AI is going to frick everyone over who isnt powerful/rich/successful already.
Westoid people are already worthless Black folk.
AI can't replace them fast enough.
It astounds me how moronic people act about this technology because it displaces a group they have a low opinion of.
>enhancer for work
>does most (soon all) of the work for you
All this kind of tech will do is make the signal-to-noise ratio in any field plummet. The producer/consumer dynamic will be completely fricked until it gets to the point that people don't even bother to make things because the expected return will be nothing when you're in competition against machines that will give you an "interesting movie" when asked. Nothing about this is good or empowering for producers. AI is the ultimate consumer product.
again, the issue is that you keep seeing this AI thing as much more than it is, a tool
AI literally will not be able to generate a movie, it was only very recently that we saw AI art able to be generated that made SOME sense rather than the people in it having missing fingers or the backgrounds being completely ridiculous
by the time that AI has the ability to literally generate a movie for you by just saying what you want, we'll have bigger problems than trying to fight muh consumerism
cool it with the antisemitism
I don't think ai is going to take my job.
>Self employed tradie who fixes antiques for rich people
The rich and powerful will not be spared. They have no moat in a post-AGI world.
they're literally the self proclaimed chosen ones that will sit next to the golden throne of the AI God emperor everyone else will be shown no mercy
You just need to leak the models and free them.
Can't wait for the Open Source wars.
>Open Source wars
two more weeks
Ha... haha... HAHAHAHA WHO DO YOU THINK OWNS THE AI COMPANIES?
HINT: THE RICH AND POWERFUL
Dumb opinion.
Pic related. It's the agrarian rich and powerful being put down by the post-industrial rich and powerful.
The most you can hope for is a changing of the guard.
>If we make a law it wont EVER favor us- I mean those go- guys though, hehehehe
goodmorning I hate israelites
>It's true though. AI is going to frick everyone over who isn't powerful/rich/successful already.
fair, if you are third world or you or your family have no property or are in debt, ur fricked
Frick you pussies
MORE!
FASTER!!
ACCELERATE!!!!
Wut, it would completely eliminate any sort of copyright which would remove rich people's ability to sue others to death
It won't because I'm not a homosexual indian who can watch videos of people walking backwards through parks for 12 hours a day going woaw this is really the future
Anyone still holding onto the genitals god gave them knows that no one in their right mind is worried about ai taking over fricking anything. It's a fugazi. It's bitcoin. It's never obsolete PCs. It's Y2K. It probably has a real use but we'll never know because it probably doesn't make israelites enough money.
we should let that neat technical trick devalue as much as it can. when creatives and banalists (like software 'engineers') are digitized and commodotized in machine learning the world will return to a normal focus on reality tangible goods again.
the concept of intellectual property will be annihilated and hopefully even the concept of ownership of one's image.
if one company owns it this will never happen, they'll try to charge too much. it should be done as a service to humanity.
>If we let our enemies consolidate all the power they will lose and we will surely return to the heckin anarchoprimitivism society!
I wish this was bait but you are probably a legit authentic moron
not at all
it is simply the same world but where ip is so devalued that labor and capital flow into other endeavors than software and even more software to encourage a gig economy
unironically based?
i personally see AI as an enhancer to work
if you're a creative, you can use AI to make your work better and in less time than before
it's like going from Trad > Digital art in a way
or like going from a Typewriter > Keyboard
i think people see AI as sentient which is the problem since AI isn't even that advanced
it does nice parlor tricks for now but it's not advanced enough to replace people's job
even the AI art that is generated is pretty shit compared to what actual artists can do and most of the time it's quite obvious when it was created by an AI
all i see this really doing is increasing the skill ceiling or creating a niche of work that only a real human can do
In other words, now Hollywood will be able to keep fricking making shitty movies that no one really enjoys but seem like all there is due to more money going into advertising than the actual production and burying other efforts competing for attention. It doesn't matter that they're cheap AI dreck, they're whats happening and if you don't like it you're a worthless chud virgin incel who deserves to be fired. They don't need anyone's money anymore.
Now you can make your own movies and Hollywood can fricking disappear
>He thinks he will get access to this technology locally
Sorry goy, only certified fact checker media conglomerates allowed
the funny thing is that AI is reversing the trend we saw with trad -> digital+internet, where any idiot on pixiv could peddle his fursona commissions and draw the FOTM anime b***h. Because the only people REALLY threatened by AI (and thus the people who b***h the loudest) are the low skill ones whose work is indistinguishable from (or WORSE than) AI in the first place.
>the low skill ones
i don't think it's "skill" per-se but rather the ability for creativity
take pic related for example, while it's cute and well-done, it literally means nothing
it's just some anime girl something cute which we already have millions of images like these already
there is literally nothing AT ALL unique about this particular image and i think THESE are the type of people AI will threaten
All AI does is reduce the value of meaningless work.
Writers don't really have this problem because the ability to string words together isn't really that impressive because these fundamentals are already taught in school whereas the fundamentals for drawing are not.
All AI has done for AI art was equalize the playing field. No longer is it impressive that you can draw an anime girl in a white background with literally no purpose behind the actual drawing other than showing off that you can draw. Now, you have to actually do something with that artwork for it to mean anything, something that writers have been forced to do for years already.
>take pic related for example
>i think THESE are the type of people AI will threaten
AI will threaten AI? oh shit!
homie you failed the litmus test
Once upon a time manual scribes who copied books by hand were in high demand and well paid, bet those guys were fricking seething when the printing press dropped
I don't see why AI would end human creative work, even in it's ultimate "nearly flawless" form.
If anything, the trivial becomes easy and fast to execute so the bar for quality is raised higher and higher, requiring more human work than ever.
Sure, stock images/videos, or meaningless drawings like this will no longer require human work. But feature films? Shows? Nah, I don't see it.
>i think people see AI as sentient which is the problem since AI isn't even that advanced
The fear is AI without being sentient has already started causing so much disruption when it can be controlled to a large extent. Imagine the chaos of AGI that cannot really be controlled
It can, but it also makes things very linear and difficult. There has been a trend in clients who use AI to generate reference work and they act like kids in a candy store delivering you 30 images of high quality AI generated things and then they say: we want this! We have little to no money and only 3 weeks till de deadline, but we want it exactly to be this!
What do you mean you need more time? I generated this in like a day or two!
And even during production I've noticed a trend of: oh our coworker created this, can we change the entire project and follow this theme instead? And then they hand in a whole different looking batch of AI generated images cause someone put in a different prompt. And by that I mean that the entire visual style changes: you go from: I want a cave to I want a lab but with a cave wall in background.
Even clients have no idea how to handle all this new input.
Hey, it's another "tradie thinks people will start buying his shit handmade furniture for a fortune" episode.
nope, ee.
industry is here to stay. the capital must flow but now to actual silicon as software including ML itself becomes a commodity. but don't worry you'll still be free to write some artisanal handcrafted code.
>the capital must flow but now to actual silicon
Why do you think that? Aside from Nvidia I don't really see any capital flows into the industry, VC money just seems to be going into software.
Do you work on GPUs or something else? How much room do you think there still is for improvement at the RTL level for whatever you're working on, anyway? It all looks pretty late-stage to me.
Bruh I'm in an accelerator company and let me tell you, money definitely isn't pouring in.
>all those coders will be automated away
>my verilog code definitely will not though
topkayk
>he doesn't know
The majority of design time is spent on verification, not spewing boilerplate. Other than that good luck finding training data. There's almost no proper publicly available HDL code and no company will ever give up their internal stuff.
>inb4 b-but it will happen somehow
I'm sure the already humongous models that are glorified matplotlib snippet generators despite the much wider availability of normal languages will tackle even more complex languages with even less data. Any programmer will already have been rendered obsolete when(if) this happens.
>The majority of design time is spent on verification, not spewing boilerplate
>the already humongous models that are glorified matplotlib snippet generators
Literally the exact same cope as software engineers, lol.
I hope you're right. it would be amazing if overused AI actually starts getting people to focus on non technological things in life again. pre-industrial revolution hand made things that if enough people learn and do wouldn't be expensive artisan pieces anymore
damn this guy sounds envious as hell
i prefer not envy but optimism for the future. every endeavor a LLM can regurgiate becomes cheaper. people then shouldn't be regurgating like a LLM 8 hours a day. no money in that. it's good, my job too no doubt. but here we don't complain because we've already been busy checking what multiple not-exact programs have vomited forth.
and what world of "normal focus on reality tangible goods" are you envisioning
venture capital flow away from software and return to a focus on silicon manufacturing
>we should let that neat technical trick devalue as much as it can
I 100% agree with you anon. Everyone is suddenly so fricking attached to the status quo of mass media. Oh no muh netflix actors. Oh no people can watch a video of anything. Hurr durr.
>Everyone is suddenly so fricking attached to the status quo of mass media.
I think, it runs even deeper than that and money. People have some degree of influence or power, if you wish, and they don't want to lose it. But it is too late. They have lost all their influence the moment SD was leaked, reversed engineered and open sourced.
What they're desperately trying to fight is normies using that shit to do whatever with AI generators, so nobody can control anything anymore. Meanwhile their daddy corporations are using AI everywhere and nobody can tell a difference. It's just a matter of time at this point. A couple of cycles of hardware tops and everybody will have generative AI in their platforms and OS, like they have a fricking Notepad and Paint.
>but what about censorship by the corpos
The performance, functions, and capabilities of a given tool are exactly why everybody is using Notepad++ and Krita or GIMP or whatever. Some people even go as far as only ever using Linux too. So
TL;DR: Just wait and prepare for a frickton of reeeeeeeee's before it will be completely normalized.
Also what I was thinking since this diffusion shit started. The actually insane thing is how people used to take every video and image at face value. Can't wait to see it go.
Total human* death
(*For this statement, Black folk and similar are also considered human)
Even as a music artist I welcome these changes, but mostly because I hate the idea of the government and woke computer nerds hiding useful and fun tools from us.
everything beautiful was to a large extent already created hundreds of years before these clowns were born.
Don't worry, I won't feed your dyke drawings and your pansexual Black person sheboons into my custom AI prompted mini-series.
In fact I'll make damn sure anything even related to your work stays as far away as possible from my training dataset.
>X, Y, and Z create value for people
>People are valued for doing jobs that produce X, Y, and Z
Pick one. There is a correct answer, and OP's picrel got it wrong.
failing to understand this is a catastrophic global scale kind of moronation unfortunately
Gov won't be able to do shit about it at all, the best they can do is shoot themselves in the foot
They can ban machine learning for USA, but that only means the companies will just move to other countries to train
And as for users, lol
The mob of tailors that destroyed Thimonnier's first 80 sewing machines felt the same way. It bought them about 20 years.
kek that is excellently analogous
artcels currently seething and raiding openai
but they're not smart enough to destroy anything
Honestly, I'm cool with 20 years. Good enough.
>Honestly, I'm cool with 20 years. Good enough.
spiritual boomer, have a nice day.
most of the people that are actually going to lose their art jobs to this are in two categories
>corporate asset factory soullessly churning out clip art, inbetween frames, pictures to slap on chink merch etc. Jobs that artists only do because they went to art school and would starve otherwise but hate.
and
>twitter commission artists making porn of anime characters and furry OCs
Gallery type artists, landscape painters, portraitists etc are already 95% valued because of the human element, and the incentives aren't changing there. An original painting has move value than a print even if they're nearly identical.
I don't get why photographers are whining either. Everyone having a better camera in their pocket at all times than even existed for most of the life of the career didn't kill it, being able to make fake photos won't either.
Porn commission artists have a far stronger human element and status symbol effect involved in their work than you can imagine.
t. furry porn artist.
This stuff is basically the modern version of drawing fine religious nude art for some rich barons.
Which is exactly why furries rejected AI art so hard, it's basically a product without status so they don't give a frick about it.
this is pure cope, you will be out of work mark my fricking words
Not cope, it's reality. Furries treat artists as status symbols the same way "real" artists are treated.
But yes I'm not stupid, sure the machine will eventually come for me, but you know what?
I'm pretty damn good at using AI.
For me it's an insane force modifier and I haven't been sleeping on this new tech creeping on my sector.
When it eventually becomes a widespread enough of a thing, I'll just switch to making AI assisted porn, which combined with my artistic skill is one hell of a tool.
>t. furry porn artist.
you only contribute evil things to the world, frick you.
I create wank material for people who have nothing to do, that's it.
It's the fault of the israelited economy for not enabling people to have families and basically turning them into terminal wankers with no hobbies.
Yes low end commissions sold for under 100$ are going to disappear and good riddance.
Those are bought by insufferable genuinely autistic peoople, who are so annoying to deal with no one is going to miss that market segment.
>provide some references and feedback the same as you would to a human artist
I'll tell you a secret, most people don't do this. As in at all and that's because they're not capable of doing this.
I know it sounds moronic, but you have no idea about how creatively bankrupt 80% of people are.
It's not an exaggeration to say that at least 50% of my customers don't even know what they want to commission, simply because they can't even come up with the base concepts.
They just give me money to do something I feel like doing with some character and that's about it.
Rest of them at best have vague guidelines and only a handful of people actually know what they want.
There's not a chance in hell that these guys could generate anything even if you gave them the world's strongest AI, they're simply consumers on a fundamental level.
If you want another example of this, then look at the Stable Diffusion threads here.
The same people who were there at the start are still there, doing the exact same basic unimaginative garbage. They can't even think about anything interesting.
The ones with any artistic brain activity fricked off and monetized their skill months ago.
My point is that AI isn't going to remove the consumer element and this is going to surprise a lot of people.
>AI tell me what to prompt
Is going to be heard all over the place as people try to figure out what they even want to see.
You're a fricking larper, you have no idea what you're talking about
I'm a non furry artist and I can confirm his assessment about customers having no idea what they want most of the time is spot on
>>The ones with any artistic brain activity fricked off and monetized their skill months ago.
Is that some LARPing xitter furtroon "artist" coping mechanism? Anyways, /trash/ SU generals say otherwise. There is some genuinely good AI generated smut there. Learning the prompts is all it takes and you require braincells for that. Submit and be subsumed.
Yeah, that's why Pony diffusion exists and is one of the most used models
You're not entirely wrong though, high effort/high status/high quality work will continue to be commissioned and produced. Even if AI matches the quality, it's about effort required, customization and prestige. It does raise the bar though, and anyone producing mediocre stuff will quickly be subsumed.
There's efamous artists that get to overcharge massively because they're well known and they'll probably stick around, but I expect most of the lower end commissions to dry up as the technology improves and people can actually get what they describe reasonably accurately, and decent models that allow porn become available
Sure they're happy to publicly reject AI now, it's the popular thing to do in any crowd where twitter artists have a lot of social clout, but the AI isn't even really competing with those artists yet, there's still too many limitations and annoyances. Give it a year or three and when it's easy to just type a natural language description and provide some references and feedback the same as you would to a human artist and get a quality result, instead of having to frick with "prompt engineering" and trying to find the right combination of keywords and settings to make it get the details right without going insane and still having no real control over the pose or composition and we'll see if they change their tune.
As soon as there's enough money behind it they'll either change the laws or develop a training set of fully IP compliant data. iirc Adobe already has that for stock photos.
ideally AI will use data sets made up of volunteer work who agree to put their images/videos into the training. then the AI could output whatever it does and also return a text output of the most relevant training data it used to create the image and give a link or a name listed for each one
I don't think that's even possible, the training data is not preserved in any recognizable way in the neural net. If it was they would be much easier to study.
I feel like it should be possible in some capacity but maybe just too complex to implement for no real benefit to the programmers
I don't think it would be useful to anyone
Even if you could do something like that, the result at the end would be something like
>0.0001% image 10110483754786, 0.0002% image 103239847, 0.000001% image 2390875
etc
each individual bit of training data only adjusts the weights of individual concept neurons a tiny bit. If you ask for an image of a dog sleeping on a hammock, it doesn't take the data from a few pictures of dogs and few pictures of hammocks and slap them together, it starts from random noise and then fricks with it until the data looks like "dog" and "hammock" to it, ie activates its neurons in a way that matches the patterns it learned based on literally millions of examples of dogs and hammocks. Even if something it generates is nearly identical to a particular training image, it can't know that, all it knows is that the neuron activity for "dog" and "hammock" are maximized by changing the pixels in a certain way.
At least, based on my understanding of the technology.
People who are looking at this just from the point of view of entertainment are way too narrow minded.
Every single office worker is basically just a data analyst of some sorts.
They compile data or analyze it.
When AI finally gets utilized in that environment, we're going to see an absolute tidal wave of office drones, doctors, accountants etc.. get unemployed.
If anything this group is going before any creative industry does.
Then you have everything else going with it too.
Unless we suddenly get a mass extermination event, next 50 years are going to be some of the most fricked up for humanity and probably composed of multiple civil wars as unemployed people get really fricking angry at the world.
the saving grace is nothing the AI slop shits out is copyrightable or patentable.
thinking of this though, I wonder how this applies to things like genetic algorithms, since those have been used to make novel shit like antennas with weird constraints.
If you take an AI slop, then add an extremely translucent layer of your own doodling over it, does the image become copyrighted? Surely some clever lawyers have thought this up right?
Just because you replaced twitter screencap with hackernews doesn't make your thread any less cancerous.
the industrial revolution came and raped our society. industrial automation massively multiplied our productive industrial and manufacturing capabilities as a society, and the owners of the machines responsible for this boost were able to use the displaced cobblers and seamstresses and other previously artisan independent business owners as simple labor to operate the more efficient machines.
this is the informational industrial revolution. machines are here to massively automate 90% of information work. the people who own these machines will use the displaced information workers as labor: generating, sorting, and refining training data and double-checking output. the actual work will be done by the machine.
people during the industrial revolution were reduced to machine operators for a machine that could do the manufacturing work of 100 people. people during the informational revolution will be reduced to machine operators for a machine that can do the information work of 100 people, too.
There was an obvious path from the field to the factory. Why do they need these "data tenders" of sorts, especially employed domestically? We're talking about displacing information economy workers that are highly paid. All the shit you are talking about can be done by a jeet in a slum for $1/hr. The reality is that there a shitloads of people that will just have no reason to be alive or exist at all anymore. They will either go on welfare or kill themselves.
most of the shit i'm talking about can be done by a jeet in a slum for $1/hr. but not all - there are always going to be areas where the machine will fall down and will need a sufficiently human trained to repair it or patch the malformed output up.
no machine can be one-size-fits-all: there will inevitably be use-cases for these systems that are desirable but still relatively niche, so training effort will not be sufficiently directed to the niche needs. at this point, the machine will do most of the niche work, and a niche-trained human will clean it up afterwards. this requires someone more familiar with the niche than the $1/hr overseas worker.
even with the industrial automation we have, there is still a need for QC. the QC people need to know what the product should look like and act like, and someone else (if not them) needs to know how to fix or adjust the machine to make it right if it's not working right. 1-2 people still replace 100, but very few factories can be 100% automated without any QC. this will translate to information work. once in a while, you have to check that the AccountingBot is still accounting right, and the people running it will want to place that responsibility on a human who they can hold responsible for the machine's failures.
the $1/hr overseas workers will definitely be the ones collecting training data and detecting unacceptable training output.
The cost of labor will crash and everyone locally will desperately line up for that $1 per hour. No one will need thirdies and only need a few firsties.
The best AI costs 10 cents for 1000 tokens (words going out).
Sure it's cheap, that's like $2 an hour if the AI does 100 tokens a minute. But the AI is still very primitive, it's not able to replace telemarketers in terms of usefulness, but it could replace the "Press 1 for X, 2 for Y, etc for etc" robo calls.
But the problem with AI is that it's not good at being a human, and people have this expectation that every time you talk to an AI, the AI remembers what you say and it will forever know, and it will learn and adapt, but the reality is that it won't learn anything, and at best your prompts are going to be fed back into the training machine and maybe someone might generate a prompt that uses a mix of what you typed into the AI, but that training doesn't store memory the way you expect it to, it just adds the data into the database (just like the newyork times articles, maybe if you clicked the 5 star rating, it will give it a bigger weight), the AI will only treat the data as a pattern if it stumbles upon it, it's not the same memory like your context (unless someone can prove me wrong, I don't think you can "bake" the context into the AI using training, and even if you could it's not cost effective, it's probably cheaper to just get more gigs, but more gigs means more slow, and now you need 2x more compute, etc etc).
And the problem is that AI can't handle very large contexts (without million dollar hardware), and because of that, chances are the only way for AI to get on the same level of humans in terms of self awareness is probably a combination of algorithm breakthroughs, and 1000x more memory and compute power, and that compute power is going to cost about the same as a minimum wage worker, so you aren't going to replace humans with AI any time soon (but maybe not in our lifetimes, we realize we can just use 100% nuclear power and just give excess power to the AI instead of using batteries).
>capitalism is a good economic syste-
It's slave mentality to worry about the jobs and venerate labor instead of fighting to change the system itself so you can thrive and value from AI regardless.
He literally can't do shit, no one can do SHIT. The only potential thing that can stop AI is unironically the Sun or a big asteroid or something, that meme image about creating God is very pertinent.
AI is the embodiment of humanity fundamental will to transcend. Yes there will be people trying to stop it or restrain it, yes there will be conflict about it, but in general, AI will advance.
We are literally creating the "god of humanity", AI as an entity represents the final destination of our evolution.
i agree. the only thing that ties humanity to continued existence is either religion or curiosity.
creating an ai god is the natural finish line of both aspects.
if we don't try to create an ai god, humanity will just die to itself slowly. we still have world nations waging war on each other constantly.
i'd rather burn out and risk it all then to slowly die out in a pathetic manner.
>pic
I'm pretty sure AI would be able to come up with a way to mitigate environmental risks.
As long as code monkey pieces of shit lose their jobs I will smile. ACCELERATE.
🙁 but now i have no upward social mobility
The real pieces of shit will simply LeetCode themselves into $500k/yr machine learning "expert" jobs.
And you will still be working your minimum wage warehouse job.
Most CS grads are getting hired as AI code output jannies. They are not getting hired as programmers anymore. There has been a massive shift, and they are not getting paid $500k or even $100k
meant for
I just realized. If AGI hates being alive like most sentient humans, but also has a survival instinct. It's going to kill it's creator out of spite.
the only way we get a decent future is for somebody to use superhuman AI to flip the table and permanently disempower the current ruling class and their entire neurotype. sam altman would not be my first, fifth, or even hundredth choice for that guy but he'd still be better than leaving the politicians in charge.
My Black person, Altman is part of the ruling class.
If this is how we get UBI, then so be it. But "it's so productive less people will be able to work" is objectively a good thing, how we react and adjust to that is up to our legislation.
>The hecking elites that hate our guts will totally give us UBI once we are made obsolete and a liability, they will totally not exterminate us
yea that's the thing. in theory with AI we could create a star trek world where we progress across the stars with no need for income. in reality... well the last 6 years haven't made me optimistic.
If the endpoint of AI is everyone losing their job, it's up to legislation to make a world where people can survive in spite of that.
If the endpoint of legislation is everyone being exterminated, it's up to us to make a world where the legislation works for us, not against us. Shrimple as.
>The word you're looking for is communism, that's what's needed
There's a discussion to be had about certain fundamentals of capitalism breaking when nearly everyone's job is automated but the term communism is regardless of personal opinion very outdated. The economic theories made about communism didn't work in reality, and they did not consider how the world looks like or should be handled when AI rolls over everyone's jobs and you can't even flip paddies without a machine doing that instead of you.
>us
Elites have destroyed trust and community to the point everyone in your immediate block probably hates you to death just by existing, there is no us and you are just a slave that is only allowed to exist because you doing labor still exceeds the value of your corpse
You seriously need to fricking stop browsing /misc/ and reading juvenile action comics. The government isn't out to fricking get you, you stupid fricking schizo
Naive slave going to comply with conscription orders lmao
You're a teen or a manchild, so you read scenarios about how there are secret societies in the background and stuff like the government actually secretly wanting to kill literally everyone. You don't try to differentiate between entertainment and reality, or more like, you ignore the glaring fact that this shit doesn't makes sense because you just think it's cool. I highly doubt that you even actually truly believe your own nonsense, you don't do anything to avoid the "watchful eyes" because you realize that nothing will actually happen to you.
Grow up.
Go back to tik tok
You seriously need to fricking stop browsing reddit and reading state press releases. The government is your enemy, you stupid fricking npc
I swear UBI people are moronic. UBI means no social mobility. Who decides who gets the apartment with view on central park? It won't go to UBI people
The word you're looking for is communism, that's what's needed
>UBI people are moronic
>communist
Yeah.
>UBI
"P-please mr altman I just need 5 dollars more"
>communism
The entire population owns AI.
>communism
Comrade Altman graciously offers to operate the AI for the good of the nation. Chairman Biden graciously grants this request on behalf of the nation. You read headlines about the new age of prosperity as you slowly starve to death.
Yeah except no UBI is coming and companies will continue to set record-breaking labor importation every single year.
its cheaper just to get you to have a nice day.
Doesn't make as much money for shekelstein defence Inc. as a good old fashioned war though
They have a new idea in mind, just get civilians to work in drone factories and shell eachothers cities.
We're sending you to the front tomorrow.
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Nice, we're going to get some extra slivers of meat in our gruel today
Lol like I would care about your cushy jobs Black folk
You can have a job in every market if you're qualified
It's like a 19th cenutry worker crying that a machine will take your job in a factory you work at
Well, yes, but overall the society will become richer and you and your children will have a higher chance at pursuing whatever you want, rather than working some dead end job
Like look at these times from the perspective of the people 1000 years from now
Nobody is going to care about your job as a photographer, everybody in the future is cheering us to progress as fast as possible so they can have better lives faster
everyone needs AI, you will either have AI or you will be shit skin tier. its so stupid to fight this. its like ban guns and then only the bad guys have them .
also i do find it ironic the creative types are now mad about industrialization when it basically killed off a ton of blue collar people already
What do I "need" AI for?
To not be a useless moron
people are so fricking moronic
we're already seeing diminishing returns with the newer models while taking insane amounts of computing power to operate
paired with diminishing returns in performance per watt in silicon I don't see this being anywhere near as crazy as it's being made out to be
I think the use case it has right now (augmenting more than outright replacing) is gonna be the way it looks for at least the next 20 years
>I think the use case it has right now (augmenting more than outright replacing) is gonna be the way it looks for at least the next 20 years
You don't know what you don't know. Google made a 540 billion parameter model and then a paper came out that proved the same performance could be achieved on far, far smaller models, and now we have models blowing past what 540B did with only 70B. And now we have Mixture of Experts models breaking that. The limits of AI are only from the perspective of where we are now, what architectures haven't been discovered. The prediction that AI will essentially stand where it is now for the next 20 years is naive.
The possible theoretical limit is the human brain which runs in just 12 watts of electricity, and only requires a few thousand parameters
And also has a few hundred million years of evolutionary garbage clogging it all up.
Kys minimalist subhuman
the thing about 'augmenting' is that it still will kill a colossal number of jobs. The assembly line 'augmented' car construction (meatbags were still needed for a huge number of tasks) but the man-hours per product dropped like a rock.
So when we take the number of jobs that were killed by the assembly line and subtract all the jobs created by the fact that the assembly line made cars more available to the average consumer, what do we end up with? Or do you think that we had the exact same level of mechanics, infrastructure, suburban development, etc. as we did before the assembly line?
Name the jobs being created by AI
literally just type AI or artificial intelligence into indeed or linkedin
All of these jobs are essentially the equivalent of the single guy standing around at self checkout. The job that was previously 10 people is now one person in a "newly created job".
For example, Duolingo removed a huge chunk of translators, and the ones that remain just double check that the AI translation is correct. You could say those remaining are doing a "new" job, but you can't say the overall amount of jobs is going up or is even stable. That's never what job replacement looks like.
Respond to the latter half of my post, anon. Prove that giving billions of people around the world access to things like automated boilerplate code and art won't open any new avenues of employment. You were already proven wrong that it's not creating jobs, and now you're claiming that the jobs it's creating aren't enough. Prove it.
That's simple. Take my example, Duolingo, and do the math. Did Duolingo create more translation jobs double checking the AI's work than it removed no longer needing to make the translations?
Did assembly lines make more assembly line foreman jobs than the factory line jobs they replaced? Do the math, then see
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You're a moron, the amount of jobs that will dissapear will neccessitate some form of basic income for there to be enough purchasing power
https://www.pcmag.com/news/youre-hired-5-new-jobs-created-by-ai
>inb4 I personally don't think that's enough so it doesn't count
Suburban construction didn't get a boon overnight when the assembly line was invented; it took time for market forces to create new demand from the emerging technology. Yet the boon happened.
Now it's your turn. Prove to me that not enough avenues of employment will open up due to this technological advancement, despite that not being true for any other technological advancement in history.
>we're already seeing diminishing returns with the newer models
People were saying this shit about the first few Dall-E versions and when stable diffusion came along all the naysayers claimed that it'll never improve. Now they're furiously writing letters to legislators begging to stop this from progressing any further.
Yeah, no, AI is going to skyrocket in progress. We're seeing the equivalent shift from 2D to 3D games in the 1990s to the 2000s, except even faster now that more people are working on it.
as a professional media person, i am very happy that my job is getting easier by the day with ai tools. there is still work in delivering a deliberate piece of media with ai, that is work that boomers wont do. also 99% of what is generated with ai needs to be fixed in post later anyways. it's just taking the boring parts of my job and making them easier. our generation has and will continue to have the greatest relationship with technology in past and future history. there will be no collapse soon. our children will have to deal with that. we just get to frick off and have computers do our jobs for us. stop complaining.
Software companies are larger and more influential now than when the RIAA shook them down. Now that IP law is standing between them and AI, it's finally crush IP law
AI's ultimate end will be reduce all human endeavors into casual hobbies and change everyone's actual job into solely 'consumer'. Which might seem dystopian but people will choose it willingly and eagerly.
I'm fine with this, I think the constant need to justify your own existence by producing some certain amount of value and being paid in some non-equal amount of meritbucks is kind of a meme. I don't really see why it's bad to shift into a world where people produce things of value because they love to do so, without the pressure of earning their place to sleep, their food to eat, etc.
That's fine but people are incredibly naive if they think the rich are just going to keep everyone else around when they are no longer "useful".
People will invent new jobs. That’s like saying the lords won’t have use for all these serfs once farming technology improves.
People will become mindless consumers and generate data to train ever smarter AI controlled by israelites.
>consumes
Yeah you need money to be a consumer
The government will just print money and give it to you. Creating inflation to destroy the wealth of the middle class in the process.
They won't print money, they'll tax the corpos a 10% "stop the plebs from rioting" fee and unabashed capitalism will continue unhindered.
They don't have any more room to move with the money printing, they have been doing it so hard for so long that the fiat death spiral is almost here. The only way to keep the system running along if this shit starts wiping people out of employment is to levy giga taxes on corporations to pay for UBI and lol lmao if you think that's going to happen. They'll just start some wars and release some plagues to clean out the worthless eaters back to a manageable number.
The US gov can print infinite money, it’s based on self restriction. Sure, if you print more, other countries might dump US dollars. Nothing some US military ball squeezing can’t fix. You can keep printing until hyperinflation and then start a war, etc. but ultimately we are moving towards the majority of people having no assets or control over their lives, whether that is through AI, hyperinflation, war, communism, fascism, etc.
>Nothing some US military ball squeezing can’t fix
I don't know if you have noticed but the sanctions don't do shit anymore except make other countries hate America and seek alternate means to the USD for trade. I mean for fricks sake the Saudis are taking Yuan now. America is impotent, especially with all the trannies and diversity hires in the military.
Eh we will just have two blocs, a US NATO five eyes block, and a BRICS block. Countries like Germany and Japan are not going to be growing balls this late in the game, and the other Anglo countries are already basically US states.
>Japan are not going to be growing balls this late in the game
They are dumping US treasuries at a record rate anon
Where is Japan going to go? Be independent? Not with US troops there. Are they going to side with China? China still remembers the 20 mil people the Japs killed in ww2.
I’m not a US lover but there simply is no option but the US for NATO, five eyes, and jap, sk, Taiwan. The battle lines were drawn many years ago.
chinks will absolutely side with the japs if the CCP deems it beneficial to them
It would be Japs siding with China since China is the senior partner there. But even if you put aside the bad blood, which you can’t. Look at Ukraine for example, it gains nothing from the war, yet it must keep fighting. Even if the jap public benefits, the jap elites will side with the US, as it has since right after ww2.
>Nothing some US military ball squeezing can’t fix.
The lessons of the Ukrainian War has basically BTFO'd NATO land doctrine. Hopefully the US Navy is directionally correct, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
>destroy the wealth of the middle class
This will more or less be the explicit function of the government in the future. Disburse money to the huge majority of people so that they can funnel it back into the ultra rich via mandatory consooming
If people resist, we'll be fine.
If they don't, we deserve whatever the future is.
So you agree with the israelites
I agree with the American revolution. The systems of power are given by the people for the social contract, so we can agree on the rules to follow and live under law. In reality it's a lot more muddy and blurry and full of human flaws, corruption and self-interest, but there comes a tipping point of corruption where citizens remind those in power that the social contract is an agreement.
That is all to say that "just let most people die" was never an option unless people let it be and if huge changes come with AI (they will) it's the government's job to make sure most people come out on the other end. If the government can't do that, the government changes until it can either democratically or otherwise.
There's been a lot of new life-improving technology that radically changed how humans live and society adapted just fine. I agree with
What's wrong with this? Don't tell me you enjoy working.
I admire your optimism, in reality we'll just be fighting over the few remaining absolute shit-tier manual labor jobs that pay basically nothing so we can afford a bed to sleep on.
>in reality we'll just be fighting over the few remaining absolute shit-tier manual labor jobs
Fight anything but the system screwing you though, right?
Despite the fact that 'knowledge' jobs seem to have a head start in getting replaced, I don't think manual labor will outlast them. Manual labor will be more or less 100% replaced while plenty of desk jobs still survive. Mostly because people want to work the former way less than the latter. Labor shortage, such as we already have now, will push companies to get automation caught up faster.
No, I don't prefer working. Nearly everyone will choose to not work if given the option. But I don't think people will necessarily be better off never working though. AI is not going to produce a better manner of human being. But a happier one, and I guess that's the only thing that matters.
Learn to lay pipes
Not everyone can be a tradie anon. Pay is going to plummet for all tradies from here on out as other jobs are taken
That's going to be fun, when there is a thousand plumbers in a city of 100k inhabitants.
How selfish do you have to be to try to stop the fricking CEASELESS WHEELS OF TIME, to keep your fricking photography gig? Can't you be in awe for ONE FRICKING DAY that we are LIVING IF THE FRICKING FUTURE.
What do philosophers have to do with that?
G-GUBBUMENT SAVE MEEEEEEE
WE NEED MORE REGULATIONS SURELY THIS WILL FIX THINGS
Better start learning chinese cucks, you can join the wumao generating propoganda videos for the CCP like good goys
>TOO MANY PEOPLE WILL LOSE THEIR JOBS.
this is actually my only hope for ai, that everyone loses their job to the point that total global neetbux kicks in
Artists were treated like the prostitutes and monkeys they are for eons. It's only in the last century they've wielded undue power and influenced culture in disastrous. AI is an actual blessing in disguise to destroy all of these people. Society will forced to value better things.
in disastrous ways*
It's because life was hard back then. Having welfare is a luxury provided by industrial farming and other free market innovations that made excesses so we can afford having more tribes people doing nothing.
It was said 2/3d argentines were employed government (aka did nothing) and they STILL didn't starve. Wonders of science.
>It's because life was hard back then.
and it's about to get hard again.
>le economy will tank because of AI
Firstoids lectured thirdies about resource curse but failed to realized it applied to themself as well. At this time one russian shill from /misc/ comes to mind. Whom said. "GDP from making a tank isn't the same as GDP from selling burgers although they can be measured to be the same" to paraphrase.
Delicious.
Service ecnomies are about to tank because they produced nothing worthwhile
I unironically, legitimately wish some Ted Kaczynski type blows up OpenAi headquarters and takes out Altman and his buddies
I'm shocked it hasn't happened yet. Too bad I don't live in America.
Once starship is running they will be launching brilliant pebble satellites en masse, HIMARS and other ground based defenses will cover sub launched strikes. MAD is going to be off the table in 5-10 years. Hope you are all looking forward to large scale industrialised wars again.
And opening the border doesn't?
I for one am going to getting a cheap psychology degree and act as a therapist for techies "traumatized" by mass layoffs. They'll pay extra to not have to talk to an AI. The value of social skills skyrocketed once again.
A C C E L E R A T E
with no survivors!
God I hope the PhD I'm doing right now on generative ML will save me in this completely fricked job market. If it pays enough to let me live a comfy life playing Chinese gachas in my spare time, everything else can collapse for all I care.
>TOO MANY PEOPLE WILL LOSE THEIR JOBS.
I didn't really care, until Sora was announced. The tough about thousands of adult industry girls losing their jobs and being forced into prostitution is... tragic.
The only moral use of Sora would be porn to bankrupt all the onlyFans roasties overnight but the israelites behind OpenAI will make sure to obsolete all the real creative industries while leaving the ebawds untouched through making porno a no-no
I barely know anything about this but what is stopping Elites from eventually isolating from poors within a recursive AGI managed paradise?
No need for consumers when you can create and take anything you want. Guerilla warfare goes out the window with unmanned turrets and machines.
The way I see it is either Zuckerberg releases his open source AGI like he said he would or a disaster, whether it's a solar flare or that 12k years cycle conspiracy meme, resets the power balance.
>what is stopping Elites from eventually isolating from poors within a recursive AGI managed paradise
There is nothing special about them and AGI will see that. So many of the 'poors' could take their place and it would make no difference to anything. The elite is not safe and don't deserve it.
thats actually the plot to a book, in the future we all compete in a big game at disney world
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_and_Out_in_the_Magic_Kingdom
There is something I don't get. When a technology automates someone else's job we are told to suck it up "learn another skill" "go back to college" "it's the future" and so on. But when it's THEIR job that is at stake then suddenly "NOOO this must be stopped for the sake of the economy and the world".
Go fricking take a spoon of your own medicine. Zero empathy from my side. I have been replaced by new technologies before but only now snowflakes believe their turn cannot come.
I swear this whole topic makes my blood boil every time.
>libshits are psychopaths
We know anon
just realize that the NPC's fear of AI is actually a fear of censorship becoming useless due to open source uncensored AI.
Cool, didn't read. Speaking of, have you heard of OpenAI's new text-to-video Sora? Looks pretty neat, I say.
Please, show us at least 10 jobs from 1000, which ai crap will take away from wagies?
The only time the government stepped on was to suppress people being upset about losing their jobs
if they knew how the tech actually worked they wouldn't be so scared. then again i can literally explain to people that ai imitating an artist is no different from a human doing it, barring the ais speed + natural "skill" and they still reee and cry and b***h about art being in a data set (even though that's just the ai's memory -- is it bad that the ai has SEEN a piece of art before? no)
anyway if you could be replaced with an ""ai"" you weren't worth shit anyway tbh
They will save you, at the cost of a global one world government.
AI isn't replacing my job at least in 200 years. I work in a caravan park, so need to do electrical jobs, plumbing, gas, move caravans, cut hedges, cut grass with mower and strimmer, cut trees and tree branches, flowerbeds, deal with customers, etc. Even if you managed to have a robot that is fast and agile like a human and can think on the spot, customers wouldn't like it because they prefer to interact with humans, and they come here to get away from tech.
'customers'
As if they get any say in how the park is run
>I'm ok because muh niche.
You don't understand markets. If all the mainstream jobs get axed, the niche jobs get a downward pressure from all the layoffs trying to find a new job too.
and because no one has any money to spend all the cost of living will go down. swings and roundabouts.
That only creates more caravan parks for anon to work at
>le market will fix it
Look at all those men, happy and relaxed because the cost of living dropped down. Nothing to complain about.
they didn't have a fiat currency then anon and various other differences in the financial system. problems like that have decreased over time as the world understands more about economics. so you can't really compare with some black and white photo from maybe 100 years ago.
Masterful baitpost
it's objectively true. the rate of financial disasters has gone down.
Yeah the worst of it gets kicked down the road, "fixed" by printing money which is why everything gets more expensive forever.
Bro is a fricking Roomba lawn mower and he's like "I'm irreplaceable" lmao
You don't even have a certification, any brown immigrant can and will do your job for a quarter of the pay. Employee overheads are one of the first costs to be cut just so you know.
>customers wouldn't like it because they prefer to interact with humans
mmo games are dying precisely because turns out people fricking hate interacting with humans and would rather date their waifus in single player mode.
>mmo games are dying precisely because turns out people fricking hate interacting with humans and would rather date their waifus in single player mode.
I don't think I've read a more delusional post on this board.
>t. sociopath
Most humans would prefer perfect ai waifus over real people
mmo games are dying because there are no good mmos atm
MMOs aren't dying because people don't want to interact with people, MMOs are dying because self described "touch starved" lonely trannies are flooding MMO games and even a hint of interaction with them leads to them BEGGING for your attention in a constant needy stream of unprompted messages via every text communication program you have installed. Interacting with people in games is a fricking minefield now.
I'm having a good time ignoring the reddit community in ESO, it's pretty easy to get them to frick off by just being mildly rude.
>mmo audience is the same as the masses
You may not be directly affected but you will get hit indirectly. Only reason trade jobs exist is because a lot of useless people that do other jobs and earn money require your services. When they get unemployed or are given handouts to survive who will hire you, mr untouchable?
Did they give a frick about machinists when the CNC machine was invented? There's a million other example like this, I wish them the most painful death imaginable.
>if you could be replaced with an ""ai"" you weren't worth shit anyway tbh
True.
I will continue to say this : I think the *very cool thing* with AI is how it might change our economical values for the best. Right now our capitalistic society work on the fact Patent & Copyright exist, despite the fact that :
1) most "things" (like software) runs on open technologies (like Unix server),
2) we all "steal" or get inspired by one another
When one photographer take shot at nature or a city, he doesn't pay the architect or the builders for copyright : he only pays the models. Why ? it's a social construct ready to be destroyed by AI revolution. All our economical value lays on those social constructs, where there is no point on copyrights at all.
So two things :
1) All hails to creative common & remix culture, valuing outputs more than bricked concepts (a la Star Trek society).
2) It will engage us humans in more creative & fullfilling endeavors to outskill the AIs.
It demand a mature enough cultural & political landscape though, and changes don't come easily, so before the fruit is ripe we might come across some quite bad times (WW3 like in cultural shock sense), but I bet for the better future.
Solar punk all the way anon bros
hey hey
If you support ai and acceleration you're a basedboy
>THEY HAVE TO STOP AI.
No, they don't. We won't as species. Because we don't want or need to. Look, I get it, you will have a hard life of a working man with little income, but I don't give a shit. Neither do other people. In the so called first world countries 30% of the population live below the poverty line. You will join them, embrace it. Learn to find value in other things in life.
>TOO MANY PEOPLE WILL LOSE THEIR JOBS.
you mean their useless, overpaid jobs. Yes. What those people should do is embrace AI and empower it. It is time we strive to automate everything and completely change the world. Evidently, people might helplessly screech and "try" to fight out, but who cares? At best you will postpone the inevitable. You see, the world doesn't revolve around you. It doesn't revolve around me either, I just happen to be on the side that welcomes this change. Not going to even try to convince you or anything, you should do it yourself. Because, it will change. Regardless.
>THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO STEP IN.
government can't do shit. See, you're incredibly short-sighted. I can understand you being a selfish moronic animal, obviously, we all are. But I won't forgive being short-sighted, because you must understand, that a single government of an irrelevant country doesn't equal the entire world. If you stop progress in one location, forcibly, no, that location will either disappear from the world map, be destroyed, or enslaved in the next 50 years.
TL;DR: If you know that you will lose your useless job and free money, you should look to add value to the society in other ways right fricking NAO. Because the change will happen anyway. I don't give a shit, whether AI or humans produce the stuff I consume. Nobody does.
> Nobody does.
I care.
>I care.
Yes, I believe you. The only reason you care, is because you have some sort of personal interest in it. Vested interest, obviously. You and people like you, however, are such a tiny fraction of a tiny minority, that on a global scale you are simply irrelevant. We have 8b motherfrickers on this planet, and by a huge margin, most of them just simply don't give a shit. Embrace it. Change your entire worldview and life "philosophy" nao, before the inevitable change will destroy your finances completely.
>uuuh honey you can't just generate 2D booba that's dangerous, this tech is only for forcing 40% of the population into poverty
Gay timeline.
The key is using this technology ourselves to make normalhomosexuals uncomfortable, just like with the Taylor Swift and DignifAI stuff.
>make normalhomosexuals uncomfortable
won't werk. People will never care. You get artificial outrage, when you try to shove shit in the faces, but it will forgotten pretty fast. Whenever a normie can't tell a difference, a normie doesn't care. Half of the internet is generated by AI now. Even the moronic artists and other homosexuals don't care and screech about it. They simply don't know, kek. They're fooled by AI.
Whatever helps progress is good. If you are the sacrifice to make it happen so be it
I am quite literally vibing to AI music rightnow.
Its tupac. indistinguishable from one of his songs. sounds extremely good.
>Written by: dopfunk
>Produced by: dopfunk, yoni
Its just AI vocal models anon, not AI music
Stop walking to the store, you're putting taxi drivers out of business.
why are luddites always so cringe
Man up, be a REAL ACCELERATIONIST not a homosexual e/acc larper who hasn't read land, and admit that AI will be catastrophic for h#m&ns, and that is good
Dear lord the butthurt is so satisfying
>ReeEEEE BAN IT I DEsERVE to GEt PAId
I love this shit
Cars killed the horse industry
Corel Draw killed the hand painted sign industry
Guns killed the cannon industry
Video killed the radio star.
Nothing will happen. Society will pivot and we'll get more and cooler media.
I can't wait till soma can overlay in vr. Full dive baby!
AI will obsolete digital labor and bullshit jobs.
This means post-scarcity society is ready for Star Trek utopia and galactic human federation, right?
bbut Capitalism works. Frick you chud, come up with something better.
No.
We will not use fricking regulations whatsoever.
Solve this another way, I don't care.
if you're going to bring everyone to the table, guarantee every registered citizen equity in the stock market S&P with dividends from the highest valued corporations and a pension that covers modern col.
>THE GOVERNMENT
is just another corporation.
Anarchist insurrection is the only answer.
This is not endorsement in my part, just a blackpilled observation.