Nick Cave: AI generated art sucks.

A fan sent Nick Cave a song made in his style using the ChatGPT AI algorithm. He did not like it, nor does he like the idea of AI.
The song:
Verse 1:
In the depths of the night, I hear a call
A voice that echoes, through the hall
It’s a siren’s song, that pulls me in
Takes me to a place, where I can’t begin

Chorus:
I am the sinner, I am the saint
I am the darkness, I am the light
I am the hunter, I am the prey
I am the devil, I am the savior

Nick Cave response:
>I do not feel the same enthusiasm around this technology. I understand that ChatGPT is in its infancy but perhaps that is the emerging horror of AI – that it will forever be in its infancy, as it will always have further to go, and the direction is always forward, always faster. It can never be rolled back, or slowed down, as it moves us toward a utopian future, maybe, or our total destruction. Who can possibly say which? Judging by this song ‘in the style of Nick Cave’ though, it doesn’t look good, Mark. The apocalypse is well on its way. This song sucks.
>What ChatGPT is, in this instance, is replication as travesty. ChatGPT may be able to write a speech or an essay or a sermon or an obituary but it cannot create a genuine song. It could perhaps in time create a song that is, on the surface, indistinguishable from an original, but it will always be a replication, a kind of burlesque.
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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    fart

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    You know he’ll crawl over 50 good pussies just to get 1 fatboy’s butthole?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Said Stagger Lee.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      [shrill bargeld shrieking]

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >it cannot create a genuine song
    they said that about paintings too
    in a few years AI will be making full songs
    >that it will forever be in its infancy, as it will always have further to go, and the direction is always forward, always faster. It can never be rolled back, or slowed down, as it moves us toward a utopian future, maybe, or our total destruction.
    this is true though. AI will evolve faster than we can monitor or police it. so whatever future AI ushers in will be our future

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      songs come from emotions and experiences
      that's what it means by a song being genuine
      computers do not have that
      all it does is rearrange words and other parameters from a data set

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      AI paintings lack a certain soul.
      It looks like video game concept graphics, not actual art that comes from a spiritual place.
      Pic related is AI "art." next I'll post a real painting.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        This one is a real, handmade painting.
        Notice the difference in spiritual depth?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I think this spiritual depth thing is all in your head.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            you are blind

            https://i.imgur.com/MiH4TEU.jpg

            AI paintings lack a certain soul.
            It looks like video game concept graphics, not actual art that comes from a spiritual place.
            Pic related is AI "art." next I'll post a real painting.

            kitsch, very plastic, fake-like, no sovl

            https://i.imgur.com/dJakRPI.jpg

            This one is a real, handmade painting.
            Notice the difference in spiritual depth?

            yes

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    What is a song?

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    sounds like any other shitty teenage goth band lyrics

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Literally who?

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    i like the feeling of playing songs

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Nick Cave's full response for those who don't want to visit the link understandably
    Since its launch in November last year many people, most buzzing with a kind of algorithmic awe, have sent me songs ‘in the style of Nick Cave’ created by ChatGPT. There have been dozens of them. Suffice to say, I do not feel the same enthusiasm around this technology. I understand that ChatGPT is in its infancy but perhaps that is the emerging horror of AI – that it will forever be in its infancy, as it will always have further to go, and the direction is always forward, always faster. It can never be rolled back, or slowed down, as it moves us toward a utopian future, maybe, or our total destruction. Who can possibly say which? Judging by this song ‘in the style of Nick Cave’ though, it doesn’t look good, Mark. The apocalypse is well on its way. This song sucks.

    What ChatGPT is, in this instance, is replication as travesty. ChatGPT may be able to write a speech or an essay or a sermon or an obituary but it cannot create a genuine song. It could perhaps in time create a song that is, on the surface, indistinguishable from an original, but it will always be a replication, a kind of burlesque.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      pt 2
      Songs arise out of suffering, by which I mean they are predicated upon the complex, internal human struggle of creation and, well, as far as I know, algorithms don’t feel. Data doesn’t suffer. ChatGPT has no inner being, it has been nowhere, it has endured nothing, it has not had the audacity to reach beyond its limitations, and hence it doesn’t have the capacity for a shared transcendent experience, as it has no limitations from which to transcend. ChatGPT’s melancholy role is that it is destined to imitate and can never have an authentic human experience, no matter how devalued and inconsequential the human experience may in time become.

      What makes a great song great is not its close resemblance to a recognizable work. Writing a good song is not mimicry, or replication, or pastiche, it is the opposite. It is an act of self-murder that destroys all one has strived to produce in the past. It is those dangerous, heart-stopping departures that catapult the artist beyond the limits of what he or she recognises as their known self. This is part of the authentic creative struggle that precedes the invention of a unique lyric of actual value; it is the breathless confrontation with one’s vulnerability, one’s perilousness, one’s smallness, pitted against a sense of sudden shocking discovery; it is the redemptive artistic act that stirs the heart of the listener, where the listener recognizes in the inner workings of the song their own blood, their own struggle, their own suffering. This is what we humble humans can offer, that AI can only mimic, the transcendent journey of the artist that forever grapples with his or her own shortcomings. This is where human genius resides, deeply embedded within, yet reaching beyond, those limitations.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        pt 3
        It may sound like I’m taking all this a little too personally, but I’m a songwriter who is engaged, at this very moment, in the process of songwriting. It’s a blood and guts business, here at my desk, that requires something of me to initiate the new and fresh idea. It requires my humanness. What that new idea is, I don’t know, but it is out there somewhere, searching for me. In time, we will find each other.

        Mark, thanks for the song, but with all the love and respect in the world, this song is bullshit, a grotesque mockery of what it is to be human, and, well, I don’t much like it — although, hang on!, rereading it, there is a line in there that speaks to me —

        ‘I’ve got the fire of hell in my eyes’

        — says the song ‘in the style of Nick Cave’, and that’s kind of true. I have got the fire of hell in my eyes – and it’s ChatGPT.

        Love, Nick

        I think this spiritual depth thing is all in your head.

        yeah it's called not being a spiritually destitute npc.
        I think your opinion on AI art's validity as true art is a good indicator of your NPC status

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Nick Cave is based. I don't care about most musicians, but Nick Cave, Morrissey, and Billy Corgan have my respect.

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Sounds like Trent Reznor lyrics

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    AI 'art' sucks ass, but people are used to shit art and glib facsimiles that they can't tell the difference between human shit and AI shit. It's a sad state of affairs, not because of AI, which is interesting and potentially helpful in many tasks, but because humans will tolerate shit art to begin with.

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >but it will always be a replication
    all songs are.
    a/b song = verse chorus verse chorus
    a/b/c song = verse chorus bridge verse chorus
    etc etc
    i like his music and some of his songs but they are all pretty much this pattern.
    so what difference is it if a machine follows a pattern or a human follows a pattern.
    you also have to remember nick cave is a shit stirrer with a very australian sense of humor so don't take anything he says too seriously.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I would agree with his old stuff, but his new stuff is genuinely unique and interesting

      my favorite Australian band is The Necks, though, and they're extremely "boring" by contemporary standards.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      *most songs are
      Where do you think song structure, verses and choruses even came from? Someone had to think these techniques up at one point. Music and art is constantly changing, usually with technology spurring innovation. Take for example the first use of electronic synthesizers in music, it created dozens of new genres and styles of composition. Even something simple like a turntable inspired people to create new techniques and forms of music. But this was all due to the human creative spark, as well as much experimentation and refinement. Then come the legions of imitators who lack such creativity or determination, which is more what you're thinking of.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    AI can't into art

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    David Bowie was using a program to come up with his song lyrics back in 1995
    He made millions

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      David Bowie had his ass blown out by his security.

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Its like modern music which just copies from older shit and ends up being shit. Modern art is dead. BTW, just wait until these AI companies go full-blown capitalist and you have to pay millions to use them. No more fun for NPCs.

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