Jonathan Blow BTFOs ChatGPT code completion

>It's just not that helpful because most of the time you're not typing
>When you're programming you don't spend that much time typing the source code. Even if you're a very slow typist, the time you spend on is designing, debugging and testing.

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Who? Did this butthole buy an ad?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This is the guy who made Braid and The Witness you fricking ignorant dumbass, Learn some respect.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >bing bing wahoo
        >buggiest puzzle game ever made
        cool

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          He's a more proficient programmer now. The game was over 15 years old now, and I bet you couldn't do that kind of shit in your 20's.

          But yes, Braid does have its share of bugs, most of which I hadn't encountered when playing the game.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Braid and The Witness
        >worthy of respect

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          The Witness is a good game. Have you played it?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I also didn't realize a significant portion of bot was not into "Myst-likes".

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              It's better than Myst to be honest, all the puzzles build on eachother in clever ways.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            It's better than Myst to be honest, all the puzzles build on eachother in clever ways.

            I heckin loved it and I love how Blow has actual opinions about shit

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I don’t know what that is.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The funniest part is that the clip opens up with him complaining about laptop keyboards (which is 100% accurate by the way laptop keyboard are fricking terrible)

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    more like johnaton blows my wiener 8===>~~~

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    i only see code monkeys complaining about ai because they're the first ones getting automated

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The problem is, software engineering is a complex process that requires knowledge beyond "just code" but the hype in pop culture around it essentially made it "Ahh screw it just type words do leetcode pass interviews and get paid". Coding was doomed to be automated sooner or later.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    jon is smart and i tend to trust him. casey too. if they're not impressed by AI then that reassures me that i should continue learning to code.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I didn't like him at first, especially because Jai seemed like vaporware.
      But when I started listening to what he has to say, while I still don't agree with all of it, I can totally see where he's coming from with most stuff.
      He comes off as an angry malcontent, but when you listen further, he has a point and a lot of reasonable solutions. Now I'm looking forward to trying Jai rather than expecting it to be absolute garbage.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        same

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >he has a point and a lot of reasonable solutions.
        what solutions, all he does is b***h and moan about things
        even when he's kind of right his perspective is massively skewed by being a game dev, the only industry where "flaky but fast" is acceptable

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >flaky but fast
          As opposed to the rest of the software industry which is slow, but still flaky.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >even when he's kind of right his perspective is massively skewed by being a game dev, the only industry where "flaky but fast" is acceptable
          Buggy games get a bad reputation and poor sales.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >IDE that runs worse now than it did 20 years ago

      he's talking about intelliJ isnt he

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        see 25:10 - 27:20 and 36:03 - 38:19:

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          why does he disable comments?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I've used and still use jetbrains stuff for massive projects in different languages, and it does take a while to get going, first running a thorough code analysis and then once it's cached, every time it starts up (possibly due to having the caches on a shitty HDD instead of an SSD), but once it's warmed up it's incredibly fast. It can do amazing things that I'm 100% sure a someone from 2004 wouldn't dream of doing

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >IDE that runs worse now than it did 20 years ago

          he's talking about intelliJ isnt he

          As video pointed out, he's talking about visual studio

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      He won't call out outsourcing to the lowest bidder as the real reason software is slow though.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It's not the only reason and sometimes it's not worth harping on

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I can confirm what he's saying. Obviously ChatGPT blows the minds of JS webtard morons but I've asked GPT for some Clojure and even Java code and most of it is bad code.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I think Blow underestimates the cognitive cost of typing a bit and doesn't consider the value of quasi-brainstorming for people who aren't good at thinking outside the box, but the overall thrust of his argument is correct and it's almost exactly the same conclusion I have drawn.

    For the most part, ChatGPT is not likely to be worth all that much for solving real programming problems. The amount of time and skill it will take to generate a working solution won't be much different than the time it would have taken to just write it yourself.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      So it lied about 11 decimals and tacked on a garbage string beyond 0.000453. Interesting but not necessarily surprising. Probably a safety measure to stop complex queries from eating up too many resources.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        When will you morons understand that this is a language model. It has no capability to actually divide and the architects sure as shit can't tweak specific neurons responsible for emulating division. The resources scale with the input and output, that's it

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          We'll probably soon see AI's like this which can compute stuff through something like Wolfram Alpha. Or even write its own code and try it.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            oh yeah probably soon? we gota real fricking genius here, probably soon somebody else will make your dumbshit idea come true right? god damn you are so smart you can see the future and it's full of all your dumbass ideas coming true isnt it, i hope you write a book so other people can tell what amazing things are gonna happen real soon because you said so

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Explaining anything to the mouth breathers here is impossible.
          They've heard about AI from fricking doomers on youtube who understand jack shit about AI.
          Everytime I tell someone here that GPT has literally no capacity to reason about anything and that as such it will never be able to replace anyone I have mouthbreathers telling me that being able to reason doesn't matter. If that was the case your boss googling shit and your boss using nocode platforms would have already replaced you, you fricking moron.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I was visiting family and the average normie thinks GPT is literally an arguably conscious small model of a human brain or something.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            And they're still more correct than

            So it lied about 11 decimals and tacked on a garbage string beyond 0.000453. Interesting but not necessarily surprising. Probably a safety measure to stop complex queries from eating up too many resources.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I haven't gotten results as egregious as this, but I have needed to correct it and have it APOLIGIZE like

      https://i.imgur.com/LNKu0RL.png

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      this is so moronic kek
      so many people are going to get mindfricked trying to learn things from AI

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The thing about "intermediate code" is nonsense but isn't it true that C++ needs runtime support for exception handling

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Depends how you define runtime because there's no strict definition of it, as even C programs for Linux use crt0.o (together with libc.so) and for Windows use MSVCRT.DLL which are both described as runtime libraries.

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    insanely basted as usual mr blow

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    it's honestly amazing

    after all the shilling ended, it became clear that if gpt4 with its gazillion parameters couldn't do it, then no autoregressive model will

    twice that because there's only a finite amount of code available

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    GPT/copilot aren't really useful to me and I write typescript, react, python, shit like that. As soon as the problem becomes non-trivial it shits itself. Worse than that, it frequently spits out false information and bad/wrong code.
    Most times I just google because it's faster. If I proompt a simple question it'll take it's sweet time and generate a wall of text full of redundant information.

    For people working with C++ on game engines I bet LLMs are pretty much useless.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      true but the real chatgpt redpill so far is learning with it. that part can be much faster than googling and analysis paralysis, albeit with the problem of wrong responses, but those can be cleared up later

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      you plebs, MY JOB, could never be replaced by ChatGPT, I get all MY answers for MY IMPORTANT JOB from GOOGLE like a real professional

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >local midwit with dunning-kruger effect said something

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      you wish half the dunking burgers were as accomplished as he is

      he's not particularly prolific, and I don't much care for his games, but he's done some interesting things

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >When you're programming you don't spend that much time typing the source code.
    >I spent years thinking about my toy compiler therefore every other programmer in the world doing the same
    holy dunning kruger

    It's over for you, ningen
    GTP-4 can write perfectly valid enterprise code from just description.

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    lmfao you software only babbies are terrified

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Stop obsessing over e-celebs

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Nobody else b***hes about the things I also care about. If everyone else including you wasn't so cucked all the time I wouldn't even notice him

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    frick ai

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    i was supposed to write what a simple script i wrote for work does. figured it was the perfect task for chatgpt. boy was i wrong.

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    the first thing he brings up about it citing made up papers has mostly been fixed by gpt4.

    blow is clever, but he's a brainlet compared to the people working on these things.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      He also says he doesn't rule out the possibility that someday it might be possible for AI to be good enough.
      Predicting exact timelines is always very difficult. He predicted that Twitter and Facebook were bloated and due for a correction, but layoffs happened sooner and harder than he expected.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        there's no reason to listen to his guesses about this because he's out of his depth and has no insider knowledge. gpt4 from 4 months ago had mostly moved past this issue.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          it's not though.
          gpt4 is not replacing programmers
          it hasn't addressed the fundamental issue that solving a difficult problem requires understanding the problem and whether that means understanding it well enough to articulate prompts or write the code is a meaningless distinction.
          You don't have to listen to his guesses you can just listen to the actual points he makes and understand why they are correct. If you have <15 int you have to roll a skill check for comprehension, though and it looks like you failed it.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            when people talk about fields they have no domain expertise on, i tend to not care what they think.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              If you're too stupid to understand either side of the debate anyway, it doesn't really matter. You're a perfect target for cuckoldry.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                at least when you simp for women you get to see breasts; you just get lectured by a middle-aged bald dude with hot takes.
                what ever floats your boat, i guess.

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    This is kind of true but 1) Blow spends an abnormally small amount of time typing because he has to thank his twitch chat for jerking him off all the time and 2) Most of the time people ask ChatGPT to write code for them they're skipping the design process as well, not just typing.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >2) Most of the time people ask ChatGPT to write code for them they're skipping the design process as well, not just typing
      Can't wait for full systems produced using ChatGPT. I'm sure we are in a treat when the design is just whatever GPT spits out.

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