>It's just not that helpful because most of the time you're not typing
>When you're programming you don't spend that much time typing the source code. Even if you're a very slow typist, the time you spend on is designing, debugging and testing.
Jonathan Blow BTFOs ChatGPT code completion
>It's just not that helpful because most of the time you're not typing
Who? Did this asshole buy an ad?
This is the guy who made Braid and The Witness you fucking ignorant dumbass, Learn some respect.
>bing bing wahoo
>buggiest puzzle game ever made
He's a more proficient programmer now. The game was over 15 years old now, and I bet you couldn't do that kind of shit in your 20's.
But yes, Braid does have its share of bugs, most of which I hadn't encountered when playing the game.
>Braid and The Witness
>worthy of respect
The Witness is a good game. Have you played it?
I also didn't realize a significant portion of BOT was not into "Myst-likes".
It's better than Myst to be honest, all the puzzles build on eachother in clever ways.
I heckin loved it and I love how Blow has actual opinions about shit
I don’t know what that is.
The funniest part is that the clip opens up with him complaining about laptop keyboards (which is 100% accurate by the way laptop keyboard are fucking terrible)
more like johnaton blows my cock 8===>~~~
i only see code monkeys complaining about ai because they're the first ones getting automated
The problem is, software engineering is a complex process that requires knowledge beyond "just code" but the hype in pop culture around it essentially made it "Ahh screw it just type words do leetcode pass interviews and get paid". Coding was doomed to be automated sooner or later.
jon is smart and i tend to trust him. casey too. if they're not impressed by AI then that reassures me that i should continue learning to code.
I didn't like him at first, especially because Jai seemed like vaporware.
But when I started listening to what he has to say, while I still don't agree with all of it, I can totally see where he's coming from with most stuff.
He comes off as an angry malcontent, but when you listen further, he has a point and a lot of reasonable solutions. Now I'm looking forward to trying Jai rather than expecting it to be absolute garbage.
>he has a point and a lot of reasonable solutions.
what solutions, all he does is bitch and moan about things
even when he's kind of right his perspective is massively skewed by being a game dev, the only industry where "flaky but fast" is acceptable
>flaky but fast
As opposed to the rest of the software industry which is slow, but still flaky.
>even when he's kind of right his perspective is massively skewed by being a game dev, the only industry where "flaky but fast" is acceptable
Buggy games get a bad reputation and poor sales.
>IDE that runs worse now than it did 20 years ago
he's talking about intelliJ isnt he
see 25:10 - 27:20 and 36:03 - 38:19:
why does he disable comments?
I've used and still use jetbrains stuff for massive projects in different languages, and it does take a while to get going, first running a thorough code analysis and then once it's cached, every time it starts up (possibly due to having the caches on a shitty HDD instead of an SSD), but once it's warmed up it's incredibly fast. It can do amazing things that I'm 100% sure a someone from 2004 wouldn't dream of doing
As video pointed out, he's talking about visual studio
He won't call out outsourcing to the lowest bidder as the real reason software is slow though.
It's not the only reason and sometimes it's not worth harping on
I can confirm what he's saying. Obviously ChatGPT blows the minds of JS webtard morons but I've asked GPT for some Clojure and even Java code and most of it is bad code.
I think Blow underestimates the cognitive cost of typing a bit and doesn't consider the value of quasi-brainstorming for people who aren't good at thinking outside the box, but the overall thrust of his argument is correct and it's almost exactly the same conclusion I have drawn.
For the most part, ChatGPT is not likely to be worth all that much for solving real programming problems. The amount of time and skill it will take to generate a working solution won't be much different than the time it would have taken to just write it yourself.
So it lied about 11 decimals and tacked on a garbage string beyond 0.000453. Interesting but not necessarily surprising. Probably a safety measure to stop complex queries from eating up too many resources.
When will you retards understand that this is a language model. It has no capability to actually divide and the architects sure as shit can't tweak specific neurons responsible for emulating division. The resources scale with the input and output, that's it
We'll probably soon see AI's like this which can compute stuff through something like Wolfram Alpha. Or even write its own code and try it.
oh yeah probably soon? we gota real fucking genius here, probably soon somebody else will make your dumbshit idea come true right? god damn you are so smart you can see the future and it's full of all your dumbass ideas coming true isnt it, i hope you write a book so other people can tell what amazing things are gonna happen real soon because you said so
Explaining anything to the mouth breathers here is impossible.
They've heard about AI from fucking doomers on youtube who understand jack shit about AI.
Everytime I tell someone here that GPT has literally no capacity to reason about anything and that as such it will never be able to replace anyone I have mouthbreathers telling me that being able to reason doesn't matter. If that was the case your boss googling shit and your boss using nocode platforms would have already replaced you, you fucking retard.
I was visiting family and the average normie thinks GPT is literally an arguably conscious small model of a human brain or something.
And they're still more correct than
I haven't gotten results as egregious as this, but I have needed to correct it and have it APOLIGIZE like
this is so retarded kek
so many people are going to get mindfucked trying to learn things from AI
The thing about "intermediate code" is nonsense but isn't it true that C++ needs runtime support for exception handling
Depends how you define runtime because there's no strict definition of it, as even C programs for Linux use crt0.o (together with libc.so) and for Windows use MSVCRT.DLL which are both described as runtime libraries.
insanely basted as usual mr blow
it's honestly amazing
after all the shilling ended, it became clear that if gpt4 with its gazillion parameters couldn't do it, then no autoregressive model will
twice that because there's only a finite amount of code available
GPT/copilot aren't really useful to me and I write typescript, react, python, shit like that. As soon as the problem becomes non-trivial it shits itself. Worse than that, it frequently spits out false information and bad/wrong code.
Most times I just google because it's faster. If I proompt a simple question it'll take it's sweet time and generate a wall of text full of redundant information.
For people working with C++ on game engines I bet LLMs are pretty much useless.
true but the real chatgpt redpill so far is learning with it. that part can be much faster than googling and analysis paralysis, albeit with the problem of wrong responses, but those can be cleared up later
you plebs, MY JOB, could never be replaced by ChatGPT, I get all MY answers for MY IMPORTANT JOB from GOOGLE like a real professional
>local midwit with dunning-kruger effect said something
you wish half the dunking burgers were as accomplished as he is
he's not particularly prolific, and I don't much care for his games, but he's done some interesting things
>When you're programming you don't spend that much time typing the source code.
>I spent years thinking about my toy compiler therefore every other programmer in the world doing the same
holy dunning kruger
It's over for you, ningen
GTP-4 can write perfectly valid enterprise code from just description.
lmfao you software only babbies are terrified
Stop obsessing over e-celebs
Nobody else bitches about the things I also care about. If everyone else including you wasn't so cucked all the time I wouldn't even notice him
i was supposed to write what a simple script i wrote for work does. figured it was the perfect task for chatgpt. boy was i wrong.
the first thing he brings up about it citing made up papers has mostly been fixed by gpt4.
blow is clever, but he's a brainlet compared to the people working on these things.
He also says he doesn't rule out the possibility that someday it might be possible for AI to be good enough.
Predicting exact timelines is always very difficult. He predicted that Twitter and Facebook were bloated and due for a correction, but layoffs happened sooner and harder than he expected.
there's no reason to listen to his guesses about this because he's out of his depth and has no insider knowledge. gpt4 from 4 months ago had mostly moved past this issue.
it's not though.
gpt4 is not replacing programmers
it hasn't addressed the fundamental issue that solving a difficult problem requires understanding the problem and whether that means understanding it well enough to articulate prompts or write the code is a meaningless distinction.
You don't have to listen to his guesses you can just listen to the actual points he makes and understand why they are correct. If you have <15 int you have to roll a skill check for comprehension, though and it looks like you failed it.
when people talk about fields they have no domain expertise on, i tend to not care what they think.
If you're too stupid to understand either side of the debate anyway, it doesn't really matter. You're a perfect target for cuckoldry.
at least when you simp for women you get to see tits; you just get lectured by a middle-aged bald dude with hot takes.
what ever floats your boat, i guess.
This is kind of true but 1) Blow spends an abnormally small amount of time typing because he has to thank his twitch chat for jerking him off all the time and 2) Most of the time people ask ChatGPT to write code for them they're skipping the design process as well, not just typing.
>2) Most of the time people ask ChatGPT to write code for them they're skipping the design process as well, not just typing
Can't wait for full systems produced using ChatGPT. I'm sure we are in a treat when the design is just whatever GPT spits out.