Wheels are the worst mode of transport unsuited for places other than pre built pathways. There's a reason why evolution has not produced a creature that moves around by rolling.
Anon, there's this thing in nature called "friction". Even monster trucks wear out as a result. AI can't break the laws of nature nor can it break law of conservation of mass and create unlimited resources.
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oh, bc you think your knees dont experience friction?
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oh, bc you think your knees dont experience friction?
*kneejoints more precisely
which are very poorly vascularized and thus dont really regenerate.
intelligent design aint so intelligent after all
rolling is the best. we should level all mountains and cover everything in cheap tarmac.
There's a fundamental difference between developing wheels and using one's body as a wheel.
Rolling is useful sometimes. Wheels aren't very good general-purpose locomotion shapes. The world isn't nearly flat enough for that.
Britty cool, but it doesn't seem to remove the load from the lower back. The butt part is probably too high.
What's the cost of one unit? Is it cheaper than employing expendable Europoors, that after10 years of manual work will have fricked up bodies, back pain etc.?
Because robots are expensive and unskilled labor is cheap. Even in manufacturing, we only use robots for critical or dangerous things, just because it's a pain in the ass when we change models or have to make an adjustment to manufacturing.
>All finishing work still has to be done by people.
I can do the finishing work myself though, and if I can, so can you and everyone else. Not that I am a huge fan of a monolithic concrete/iron houses though.
Pretty sure there would be some israelitery behind it all making it more complicated that it should (like loicensee to install windows or something like that).
Been in one of these, basically a machine assisted adobe hut construction. It's comfy for minimal housing but not something you'd want to build office buildings or warehouses out of.
Humans have to make these and they cost too fricking much.
I will give them this though, one of them survived a hurricane while buildings around it did not.
Hentai 3D animation. See how horrible all the AI generated sloppa on Pixiv or other platform makes you know that artists aren't getting replaced anytime sooner because my dick can instantly tell if some art is AI generated or not. My dick unironically has better AI detection than GPTZero (Frick you chink eyes Edward Tian for making a shitty AI SaaS)
This is half right. They're still going to replace them when they can and the quality will just drop overall. Netflix produces one trash after the next. It's the marketing that matters.
Duolingo laid off most of its translator staff and replaced them with AI
technical writers are pretty much extinct
resume coaches have to compete with AI now
companies are either shrinking or completely replacing their customer service departments
there is less need for junior devs, they won't completely disappear but the job market is only gonna get worse
It's actually amazing how AI translation is absurdly superior to human translators for the majority of human languages so far.
Only languages that aren't perfect yet are shit like japanese were a ton of context is needed but if you compare it with how it was only a year ago it's clear that soon it will replace translators there as well.
Probably one of the best uses of it honestly. Tired of subtitle translators acting like they are god's gift to the world always asking for donations or crying about some slight against them
>whiiiine, why are people mean to me?! Now I wont translate for six months
Or my favorite
>Im changing the translation to make it progressive to current year
I don't really have a horse in this race, but why are blue collar workers so smug about their jobs not being replaced by AI yet? White collar jobs are easier to replace with existing AI tools because it's a matter of software. The infastructure is given by AWS, Azure, Google Cloud. All you need is a few devs with grad degrees in AI, and you're set. You can cut half the braindead jobs in your org. There is no such existing infrastructure in, say, construction. You can't just run buildASkyscraper.exe. You need hardware, which must go through rigorous iterative testing. This is still a few years away, but it's by no means impossible. If AI can beat the world champion at Go, it can outbuild some random fat alcoholic in rural Kansas who takes two weeks to do something a machine could do in an hour at a 100th of the cost with no complains, no workers union. It's a matter of time. Blue collar workers need to face the facts. Otherwise, they'll be in the denial while the rug is violently ripped out from under them like what's happening right now to animators, who similarly downplayed every advancement in AI for years until it was too late.
If I were to complain about the rain, would you telefrag me from behind while sperging about how precipitation is an essential component of our ecosystem's ability to sustain life? Do you have a bulleted resolution plan for every problem you have with the world? Baffling post.
>Soooo...what? What do we do then? Let the elites kill us?
Pretty much. See our ancestors would have risen up and slaughtered them all long ago but we are not our ancestors. Most westerners today are jelly-spined cowards who won't lift a finger no matter how bad things get. Brown skinned thirdys who DGAF about dying will fight of course, maybe even win but even if they lose it's still better than just inventing excuse after excuse after excuse to hold still while the noose is fastened around your neck.
>Most westerners today are jelly-spined cowards who won't lift a finger no matter how bad things get
That's not true at all, the second people start going hungry is when people start killing CEOs and firebombing police stations. Things have just never gotten that bad in the west before because they keep a steady supply of slop going.
>Things have just never gotten that bad in the west before because they keep a steady supply of slop going.
Except with how woke tv, movies, sports, and most entertainment is, people are no longer being distracted.
Huh? By slop I mean food. People will argue about entertainment and then that becomes the new distraction. Once people start literally starving, is when we start storming state and federal buildings together.
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covid already fricked up restaurant food quality, too. hasnt been the same since
>the second people start going hungry is when people start killing CEOs and firebombing police stations
Kek, you just reminded me that obesity and related issues like heart disease are the number one problems in the US. We're literally too fat to fight le revolution right now.
>We're literally too fat to fight le revolution right now.
I mean - pretty much. That is by design, keep people fed and entertained and you can control them. The stupider they are, the better. Literally cattle, and I'm certainly no exception. I go to work, put in my 40-50 hours a week, eat shit because I'm tired and then go on BOT to distract myself with pointless conversations until I'm ready for bed. I am 34.
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Yes but the homeless problem still grows and grows, and lots of people will be embittered by having their life dream of steady work as a [PROFESSION GOES HERE] taken away by a machine. Embittered and murderous. There will be plenty out there who decide to just go out with a bang while taking as many people as possible with them.
>White collar work is fricked >Blue collar work is fricked >Art is fricked
Soooo...what? What do we do then? Let the elites kill us?
Is the writing on the wall for a worldwide uprising especially when it gets to blue-collar jobs? If so, the "elites" must have a plan for it already. Will it include limiting the adoption of AI and robotics so that enough jobs are preserved, or something else?
We are tens of decades out from wagie labor jobs and trade jobs from being overtaken by artificial essential workers. But once that time does come there will be a new industrial revolution but it will most likely devolve into organized communes supplying cheap slave labor (Slaves being supplied food and home in advanced by a foreman but work a slave wage job for no wages paid directly to the slave) competing against cheap robotic labor.
>Will it include limiting the adoption of AI and robotics so that enough jobs are preserved, or something else?
If only there was a way for them to get rid of roughly 5.55B people or 73% of the world poluation somehow
That's how I'm reading it. AI accelerating the corpse of capitalism to extinction.Not sure what else comes out, but you're not going to be able to control a massive influx of worker replacement without a push back. It's been a slow drip since NAFTA, but with the other factors in play, I imagine we're seeing the beginning of end of society as we know for something else.
its not even a matter of automating blue collar in 7-10 years , when all the white collar workers jobs get automated away they wont just roll over and die , theyll flood tradies , its all fun and games saying coders and artists wont do shit , but we live in a real world , and yes theyll also learn to plumb and stack bricks,it doesnt actually take much learning, people dont go towards those jobs because theyre not creative/fullfilling , and take physical effort , but are braindead easy to learn , so in a dew years youll have a shit ton of white collar workers just flooding the blue collar field and undercutting the wages to get their in ,and then a race to the bottom begins , dude mining in his 40s was never going to learn to code , but a guy coding is going to learn to plumb real fast once hes starving , i really dont understand tradies laughing about this , its going to ruin their wages
>I don't really have a horse in this race, but why are blue collar workers so smug about their jobs not being replaced by AI yet?
It's because they don't realize that white collar workers getting into blue collar professions is a LOT easier than the other way around. If white collar work suddenly goes away then the blue collar market is gonna be flooded with desperate labor supply, which will drive wages down. They would know this if they had gone to college.
I don't really have a horse in this race, but why are blue collar workers so smug about their jobs not being replaced by AI yet? White collar jobs are easier to replace with existing AI tools because it's a matter of software. The infastructure is given by AWS, Azure, Google Cloud. All you need is a few devs with grad degrees in AI, and you're set. You can cut half the braindead jobs in your org. There is no such existing infrastructure in, say, construction. You can't just run buildASkyscraper.exe. You need hardware, which must go through rigorous iterative testing. This is still a few years away, but it's by no means impossible. If AI can beat the world champion at Go, it can outbuild some random fat alcoholic in rural Kansas who takes two weeks to do something a machine could do in an hour at a 100th of the cost with no complains, no workers union. It's a matter of time. Blue collar workers need to face the facts. Otherwise, they'll be in the denial while the rug is violently ripped out from under them like what's happening right now to animators, who similarly downplayed every advancement in AI for years until it was too late.
its not even a matter of automating blue collar in 7-10 years , when all the white collar workers jobs get automated away they wont just roll over and die , theyll flood tradies , its all fun and games saying coders and artists wont do shit , but we live in a real world , and yes theyll also learn to plumb and stack bricks,it doesnt actually take much learning, people dont go towards those jobs because theyre not creative/fullfilling , and take physical effort , but are braindead easy to learn , so in a dew years youll have a shit ton of white collar workers just flooding the blue collar field and undercutting the wages to get their in ,and then a race to the bottom begins , dude mining in his 40s was never going to learn to code , but a guy coding is going to learn to plumb real fast once hes starving , i really dont understand tradies laughing about this , its going to ruin their wages
We should clarify that when we talk about white collar workers getting into trades, we're not talking about Twitter artists, or women, or soft-handed basedboys that pay for Ikea funiture assembly. There's plenty of regular people working in banks and offices that have no problem getting their hands dirty.
Lots of those guys wash out of the trades when they decide to "try something new", but hunger and homelessness will probably force some hands to be certain. For some trades it would be welcome, some specialized trades (like mine) have a bastard of a time getting and keeping people.
There's not many of you in your 30's that are willing to put up with apprentice pay for 10 years in apprentice conditions.
You'll accept minimum wage for a desk job.
It's just that simple.
>he thinks any of work done by tradies is hard
I bought a new apartment a few years ago, had to do major renovations, first hired workers fricked things up a bit
I started doing things myself, putting up tiles, self-leveling floor, drilling in reinforced concrete, all basic stuff.
What I learned is:
- it's trivial to do right, in the mental sense
- it's draining physical labor that I don't want to do
what I gained from doing part of the work is the ability to know if someone does it right.
If I had no alternative I could definitely work like that, maybe watch some youtube tutorials.
It's the same for literally everything. You think repairing a HVAC requires more mental power than debugging a years-old codebase? lmao.
>I don't really have a horse in this race, but why are blue collar workers so smug about their jobs not being replaced by AI yet?
Because they have spent the last two decades being told they were getting replace by gays who are actually getting replaced first.
except it was a trade morons like mike rowe wiener crying about libruhls not wanting to shovel shit all day to make an excuse for businesses to hire illegal workers and drive immigration
>It's a matter of time
Their basic claim is that the amount of time in question is longer than their expected years of work or even their entire remaining lifespan. That is, if they're 30 now and it takes 50 years for chatgpt to build a building, they are personally safe and it doesn't matter.
It's personal vindictiveness - A LOT and I mean A LOT of white collars are smarmy buttholes that much of the world would love to see get totally BTFO'd for a change.
> dude mining in his 40s was never going to learn to code , but a guy coding is going to learn to plumb real fast once hes starving
Don't bet on this as quickly as you think - tribal differences in politics and other factors make it very hard for some liberal brokie to all of a sudden get man hands and get his body put through the grinder. Many of these pricks are so elitist about it they'd rather try academia for a decade before getting back into trades.
>tribal differences in politics and other factors
This is actually why I should never have gone to school in the first place. I genuinely hate the ivory tower queers who work in my degree field. I much preferred the felons and drug addicts I worked with as a line cook. Biggest invisible factor in why poor people stay poor, nothing to do with skills or intelligence or even family connections. If you interview for a Good Job and they think you're from the wrong caste, you're out.
Artist
Unironically
It will replace fiverr graphic designers, furry comissioners, all the waggies of the cinema industry and so on, but it won't remplace the homosexuals doing millions sticking a banana on the wall because their value is not the output result, and it won't replace people doing art for passion and not for money of fame
This.
People made a mistake calling anyone that have practiced their drawing skills a little "artist", when in reality those people never create anything artistic.
All they do is take a description of an image from other people (together with their money) and produce and image along those instruction or they take 2 concepts and combine them, such as currently popular anime character + meme pose or currently popular anime character + porn.
Someone can practice 20 years playing an instrument, never do more than play sheet music for people and I would not consider them to be creating "art" either, I don't see why drawing should be different.
>AI won't stop people for making art for free
No shit. Do you know how long it takes to make a 5-minute animated short? Clearly not. Artists, including many very talented, experienced ones, have enough trouble making ends meet as is. Now the gigs they rely on to keep the lights on are in jeopardy of being done mostly by AI. You're a total dumbass. I'm a software developer who's dating an animator who interned at Pixar, and she can't find work. The team she interned with was cut completely, and now the CEO is talking about replacing 1/4th of their employees with AI models. People aren't going to do this shit for free, and if this is really your perspective, then you're as emotionally moronic as you are conventionally moronic. Remember this post when you feel the ground beneath you shrinking because your job is being given to a machine.
>Remember this post when you feel the ground beneath you shrinking because your job is being given to a machine.
Spoken like a true luddite, UBI is likely to become a thing more now than ever
>luddite
I have a MS in AI, lil bro. Unlike you, I'm not just so nocoder who thinks he's a galaxy brain for knowing how to save a minute here and there with chat gpt. I know how these models work under the hood and have even written papers on the topic. That doesn't mean I don't think there are drawbacks. The world isn't black and white. Use your head and stop mindlessly regurgitating buzzwords on BOT. Or don't. I doubt you're important enough for anybody to care either way.
Yeah we probably should have scrapped the steam-shovel because the ditch diggers shouldn't have had to contend with being made redundant by a machine.
Same with direct long distance dialing. Think of those operators.
>dude you like, feel bad for people who studied animation for five years and cant get a job? haha hey everyone look at this snowflake, i bet you've never heard of a lil thing called the industrial revolution ;;) lmao criiiiiinge
What kind of autism is this?
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Of course I feel bad for them, but what are you suggesting should be done? Cease the development of AI?
Should the coal mines in West Virginia stay open just so that the workers can have a job? Some of those guys have been working in the mines for 25+ years.
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>Of course I feel bad for them
Oh, well I guess you think we should go back to foraging for berries naked and afraid in the wilderness, huh? >what are you suggesting should be done? Cease the development of AI?
Nothing in particular. You assumed my whole worldview just because it allowed you to frame my argument as a trope that you've been taught by some youtuber to disprove. The rest of your reply is the same kind of waffling you've been doing for several posts at this point, and I'm not going to dignify it with a reply.
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He made a reasonable inference on your position based on your greentexted criticism of his point, which was: only a mentally deficient person would suggest what he did. It's pretty natural that he would infer that you have a position counter to his own. But, as it turns out, you don't have a position at all. You're just a contrarian homosexual.
UBI will be the next thing ~~*they*~~ will get everyone hooked on. Basic spending will be completely controlled by the gobmit and all they have to do is continue with inflation.
They're never going to give you money. Look at the pandemic where they mandated everything be shutdown and how everyone in congress did all they could to prevent help to the common man. You got like 2k throughout the entire thing and even that had to be debated on. You're not in the budget; you are the income. This isn't me being a libertarian this is me being a realist. You'll never see UBI for the same reason you'll never see medicare turn into an option for everyone. If you're a euro, maybe you might, but an American? Never happening.
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Look at it this way, inflation will sky rocket while wage will barely move. Supply on things like food will grow scarcer with fake excuse like the increased fake wars around the globe. Housing, goods etc. will be limited more and more. Why will they do this? So that "UBI" will have been the pay you'd received if the wage was keeping up with the inflation without shortage on goods in essence controlling minimum spending. They can implement this in various ways not inherently tied to money like you'll receive an UBI "fund" tied to an UBI card to buy X groceries, X clothes and pay up to X amount of bills. This was never about giving away free shit it was always about control.
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>you are the income
but that is why they have to give me ubi, im not the income if i don't have any money to spend on slop and plastic
Yeah because everyone currently is controlled by their retirement funds lmao please have a nice day you worthless sack of shit. If I get UBI how are they gonna stop me from taking the money out and buying guns with it? magic? mind control? you Black person moronic zoomers need to be put into the grave the worst generation besides baby boomers. It's absolutely insane how you both are exactly alike and its annoying af seeing how most of you aren't even fricking 30yrs old yet. Millenials psyoped themselves into being called boomers are also pathetic. Shit everytime I go out anywhere I see zoomer cuts too. What is with that why hasn't that ended? Shit is insane its like if you are zoomer you gotta get that because you came out of the same womb as the next biracial mutt baby.
sorry, but no one is going to stop technological progress because it made you feel bad for a little while
if everyone always made sure the weakest links in society aren't hurt somehow before trying anything new, there would be nothing but regression for the rest of our history
Yeah we probably should have scrapped the steam-shovel because the ditch diggers shouldn't have had to contend with being made redundant by a machine.
Same with direct long distance dialing. Think of those operators.
Of course I feel bad for them, but what are you suggesting should be done? Cease the development of AI?
Should the coal mines in West Virginia stay open just so that the workers can have a job? Some of those guys have been working in the mines for 25+ years.
Problem is with art and white collar jobs being replaced it's not easy to simply change careers. You spend large amounts of time and money devoting your skillset to these kinds of jobs and now not only are you replaced but technology moves so fast you don't even have time to adapt. You work your ass off to be an artist or accountant and now you have to go work at walmart or be a construction worker.
You want to truck along with this technology without thinking about the consequences. Once all of the white collar jobs dry up because of AI the trades and manual labor shit not take over by AI (yet) are going to be over saturated and those wages will fall.
You're solution is to...bank on the hope that our governments will give us free money...That's dumb. It's also not happening. They'll let us all starve before that becomes a reality. You are utopian.
>There's literally no point in an economy with no consumers, unless we ain't talking about an economy but a literal dystopia
We are going to live in a dystopia soon. israeli will roll out despotism once AI is perfected enough to replace every essential job.
Why is everyone assuming the cat wasn't out of the bag with automated content curation algorithms? You all should have been throwing a tantrum 10 years ago. Hell, you should have been throwing a tantrum 50 years ago with the development of SQL. But no, the people most in a position to understand what was going on were too busy drinking their overpriced slave-sourced coffee and casually talking about the total replacement of fabrication and construction workers with machines.
sorry, but no one is going to stop technological progress because it made you feel bad for a little while
if everyone always made sure the weakest links in society aren't hurt somehow before trying anything new, there would be nothing but regression for the rest of our history
Cry me a river b***h. I don't give a frick if millions of these """artists""" lose their jobs no longer being able to produce animated goyslop for the next generations of consumers. The sooner these parasites are alienated from a comfortable lifestyle and are forced to actually produce ground breaking creative works that stand solely on their merit the better. And if the pressure is too much to handle they're clearly not cut out to be artists or better yet shouldn't.
It is very funny to me how many people's takes on the rollout of neural nets to various fields on here boil down to 'it'll frick over these people I hate', usually just paired with some vague rant about how no 'true' X or whatever should have to worry.
They're also generally the same people who don't seem to grasp that it's not the quality of the output currently determining any of this, it's the cost to the company. We live in an age where companies across many markets have realised that if enough of them make the same bad move for the end user/consumer at once and stick with it long enough, we all just have to fricking deal with it.
The white collar crowd was very guilty of this same thing not terribly long ago. I can remember back in the 90s and early 00s when people casually believed manual labor was going to be replaced by machines within 10 years. That's where "learn to code" came from. They also generally believed that no machine could ever be capable of any sort of creative output, be it imagery, or animation, or articles/blogs.
>Remember this post when you feel the ground beneath you shrinking because your job is being given to a machine.
I'm already doing a job that will never get replaced by AI
It's fricking hilarious, AI will replace all the 'brainy' jobs, and the only ones that will be left are ones that require you to use your hands. Designing robot bodies is a million times harder than designing robot minds.
>implying there won't be at least another 20 different swarms from other civilizations >implying they didn't deploy their swarms 3 million years ago
lmao
We are tens of decades out from wagie labor jobs and trade jobs from being overtaken by artificial essential workers. But once that time does come there will be a new industrial revolution but it will most likely devolve into organized communes supplying cheap slave labor (Slaves being supplied food and home in advanced by a foreman but work a slave wage job for no wages paid directly to the slave) competing against cheap robotic labor.
Not even that. You're just going to starve while elites get cyber serfs. Yes, you will starve. Your money won't save you. Earth's pop will crash, humanity (jews) finally inherit the land of milk and honey and you go on the forgotten pile of dead humans.
What you fail to understand is there are people in government and business who want to keep the pecking order intact, they don't want regular people to be jobless, a slavedriver gets off on having slaved. All the shittiest jobs will never go away.
>We are tens of decades out from wagie labor jobs and trade jobs from being overtaken by artificial essential workers.
so we're tens of decades out from mass depopulation and civilizational collapse?
>Billions of people will just accept starvation whilst the 'elite' eat cake
I'm not a commie but you're deluded if you think this.
Demoralization shills are next in line to be replaced.
Literally 70+% of the population is overweight
There's a big difference between "Wow, food has gotten expensive" and shooting your neighbor for a loaf of bread.
I believe his point was that we've had famine in Africa and Yemen very often in the last few decades and no one cares, which implies that the elites won't care about us either
Yes? The frick are you or anyone else going to do about it? People are useless, the elites have already won. Billions of people let a couple of morons put them under house arrest for a year because of covid. Goyim are dumber than cattle, anon. It's over.
Yes? The frick are you or anyone else going to do about it? People are useless, the elites have already won. Billions of people let a couple of morons put them under house arrest for a year because of covid. Goyim are dumber than cattle, anon. It's over.
I groom dogs, It's not impossible for a robot to do so. But they would have to be as capable as a human in broad set of abilities. It would take a long time to build the manufacturing plants and produce enough of such robots to fulfill the demand even once a suitable modal is developed so I'm good for at at least 10-15 years.
>Workers: "Hey Chat GPT, finish this building..." >ChatGPT: *spits out a PDF file that fully specifies the blueprint and source code for a robot that can finish the building at a lower cost than the workers*
I am an AI believer. But i DO NOT think jobs are going to extinct. We just need to learn some new things, that's all.
There will be always jobs for people in tech.
What is this? 1930?
Literally THE Ford had unions form against his automation processes from memory.
Because machines are anti-Semitic or something. I dunno.
Anyway, they're already in a post-automaton stage industry wise, but that doesn't mean the more sophisticated aspects of it won't be automated.
>the only thing keeping AI from building buildings is that robots are not as mobile as construction workers
When they invent hovering robots it is literally over
Impossible to say. 10 years ago everyone thought truckers would be replaced by self-driving vehicles by now. But they are just in demand as ever. Skilled trades are definitely going to be some of the safest jobs going into the next 10 years, though.
yeah the trucker-replacement is still happening, especially when they threaten shit like mass boycotts, all that does is make Executive Coke Addict #24 snort another line and start screaming at car companies to get the tech out faster
they're living on borrowed time that ends this decade
I think the tech for self driving already exists, recent gemini is fantastic at analyzing video.
The problem is that it requires a data center, and nobody will accept cars relying on mobile internet to drive.
There's also the bare energy requirement, it easily takes close to 2kW of power for models of these capabilities. That's a lot, especially for electric cars, although less important for trucks. All that hardware also takes a lot of physical space.
That's why it will happen in 2030s. It's not a matter of software anymore. It's a matter of hardware that can run near-human level software in a car without costing $100k itself, and without burning a significant fraction of energy.
The reliability and common sense thinking required for full self driving in any situation is the same one required for welding, carpentry and probably plumbing. Maybe throw in more. This constant frickuping of AI is also the reason why basically no white collar jobs will disappear completely, just get lower in numbers and the job description instead becomes fixing AI frickups.
>10 years ago everyone thought truckers would be replaced by self-driving vehicles by now. But they are just in demand as ever.
Because insurance rates should insane if self-driving vehicles are the new normal in transportation, policy will only cover your cargo if your truck is self driven, and premiums up 200% or just refuse cover if there human drivers.
Cost of human drivers are too low that replacing with self-driving with crazy premiums is losing money for the transportation company
>just go into the trades dude
Biggest cope ever. This shit is filled with overweight immigrants making barely minimum wage. Whoever posted that image is a fricking fat boomer subhuman.
Ai right now will mostly replace white collar knowledge economy jobs. Things that have to do with memory and information.
Ironically blue collar jobs are safe for now because they still havent built a robot that can work construction, do your plumbing or cut your hair
You know... actually... I agree with this kinda.
In this entire thread of bullshit and random arguments... yea, if an AI can do your job and replace you, at this point in 2024, your job was very likely not a real job in the first place.
Now please, though, tell me, when the AI's poor self-programmed instructions set shits itself, who's going to pick up the pieces? Oh, that's right, it's people like me.
My job is safe for the foreseeable future.
Also, side note:
AI replacing jobs isn't all bad. In fact, if we restructure society so that we can have a UBI, have people have good housing as a right (not a financial privilege, like it is now), we could easily be a very productive society, full of happy people.
But of course, right now, the billionaires are not onboard with all that, since right now, no one has pulled out the FrenchDevice(tm) this time around.
white collars chose not to go into trades because white collar jobs are easier, don't destroy your body, and better paid. you just have to be more intelligent.
anyone can learn and master a trade, it takes no special skill. just practice.
you contradict yourself. they went into white collar because they wanted it easier, what makes you think theyll be able to adjust to the harder lifestyle of the trades?
Most people prefer the easy way. This is why we invented anything at all, because it makes our life easier. That doesn't mean that they can't do the harder jobs. But the others couldn't do the elsier ones.
This. I worked as a mechanic before and the biggest fricking losers with the IQ of toast could do it. Tradies won't be automated for a long time, because these idiots are so cheap and lick every boot they can. It would be way too expensive to automate this with AI. I will also never understand people who say they worked with the greatest people when in the trades. At no other place you will find bigger backstabbing homosexuals and scum.
This guy has never seen the absolute 70IQ mongoloids who work as operators in oil and gas and chemical plants lmao. In a unit with 12 operators probably 3 are your stars who can troubleshoot to resolution totally on their own, 3 are average who can sometimes fix shit but sometimes just give up and leave it for day shift, and the other 6 can barely form a coherent sentence and will call technical staff about absolutely everything. Tons of them are overweight and out of shape too. Same goes for scaffold builders, welders, pipefitters, I&E, etc. wouldn’t you know the Pareto rule applied basically everywhere.
This meme that tradies are 400iq jacked gigachads needs to die lmao it’s so fricking far from the truth.
>Hey Chat GPT, won't tradies be replaced by AI because they are cheap low IQ low lives, or because AI isn't that advanced yet? >Hey Chat GPT, how good do I have to suck the dick of my boss to earn more than minimum wage as a tradie destroying my body and having to work with immigrants?
Personally I'm thinking about joining the police or the feds (like CBP or forest service or something eventually).
The system's enforcers aren't about to get replaced with AI and bullshit lol.
Join the USAF if you can, the bennies are top tier. In addition to GI Bill, you get $5k a year for college while active duty, and $4500 for certs/trainings. On top of that, if you're a good boy your unit will send you to trainings/classes/etc for your job. I got sent to CCNA and CCNP classes.
I did 7 years, got out, and now make over $100k as a network engineer.
most trades in general are not feasible to replace humans from.
lets say for example welding. alright they have big robots that weld stuff in factories, cool. thats 5% of all welding done. Structural welding will never be replaced by robots because its far too costly, same with agriculture, ship building, any mobile welder stuff, exhaust shops, ect ect.
it boils down to robotics are expensive, they will always be expensive. they are only economical in extreme hazard environments or highly integrated work like assembly lines
The "elites will just genocide us all once automation replaces most jobs" doom theory is really moronic. Seen one to many slop movies and seen too little of reality.
It is logistically impossible and I doubt the elite would like to fight hundreds of thousands of insurrection cells all over the world for literally hundreds of years.
White collar gays need to stop being bitter about being replaced by AI and instead pick up a screwdriver and do some real work.
Nobody wants to admit it but AI will never replace prostitutes. Men want real women who were born out of a disgusting old vegana and lived a shitty childhood with no father.
most construction jobs only operate in "skeleton crew" mode where a dude make the work of three dudes. Pay is so low in construction that nobody expect robot builders replacing people.
Oddly human workers installed this giant ad in Belgium, but Belgians citizens only know Dutch (Flemish), French, and German. German is a much more widely spoken language than English in the market they're actually trying to appeal to.
It's similar to the military. So far we have AI (AKA remote controlled) airplanes/torpedoes but picrel is still not a thing and likely won't be for a long time.
Imagine wanting to work a blue collar job. You will never find a bigger concentration of backstabbing, lazy subhumans on this planet, who are ready to lick boots for one dollar per hour more. No wonder that the trades are dying and only filled with replacable bugs.
If you show up on time, do your job well, then you are the top 0.001% in the trades. Most of them are lazy scum who got a hooker pregnant and shit on other poor people instead of their rich boss buying another house.
Paying them barely minimum wage and providing no bonuses, while he spends that money on useless luxury shit. Not that a blue collar worker would understand.
You didn't say any of that.
It's curious, for the other group you said "lazy scum". highlighting the reason theyre shitty. But for the boss, you said "rich and buying another house"
does being rich in your brain equal paying workers low wages and buying useless luxury?
The impact the current wave of AI tools has has been overstated. Future tools aren't going to be a whole lot better. The RoI for LLMs is pretty unclear to begin with.
Instead of trying to cling to work that will inevitably be automated by AI and robots, we need to start thinking about radically new economic systems because the existing ones (debt-based capitalism and socialism) CANNOT survive survive.
As far as I can tell, our choices are:
Embrace Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism
or
Let the elites kill us all when they no longer have use for us
Make your choice, because the clock is ticking. We all know what the preferable one is if the plebs get too uppity.
low-skill jobs like cashiers are already getting replaced by machinery, thats why AI wont replace it, because they can be replaced by simpler machines
low IQ jobs will be replaced by machines, and high IQ jobs will not be, becuase high IQ people will be creating the machinery. simple as.
There is not a single job that AI cant and won't replace. We will become fully automated in less than 2 decades.
We will unironically need communism if we intend to survive as a species.
That's not true AI is hype now ,and half the shit that cutting edge LLMs even output is statistically incorrect most of the time. The AI art is limited and uncreative but it will be really the only thing to completely replace a field. Artists are going away or become tech grunts.
ML has been around for 40 years and they have always been saying "but wait just a few years and it'll be perfect and control the world" they've been saying that for 40 years. But yeah you're so sure the wait is over. Well, in a year maybe. Or two.
>Misunderstanding art this hard
Art was always about hustle. Human made as a label has market value just like slapping organic on food does. Not to mention art has more mediums than digital and the tools of digital art change all the time AI or not. Additionally the entry problem existed with art independent of AI due to media consolidation.
Any job.
Corporations will rush to it, eat shit when the AI hallucinations and dependence on AI companies frick up their profits and then need human labor again after hackers figure out more ways to frick up AI training data. Dependency on AI becomes a curse and instead of contracts with employees that you can fire if they're shit, you find your company beholden to the whims of OpenAI.
>a try to enslave humanity with LLMs >Hallucinated information causes strategic blunders by the rulers while the tradies cut the coords and the UPS drivers lord over us like a modern khanate.
LLMs cannot be as intelligent as a human
It is impossible
But jobs that can involve lots of writing can have some trouble
Animation and drawing seems to be affected as well.
But what else? What else can language models provide? Nothing much. We are already at the limit of llms.
Will they replace doctors so you can get your treatment from them? No
Will they replace teachers so you can learn from them? Nah
Will they replace drivers? Nope
LLMs cannot be creative in real sense. They cannot be problem solvers.
They are language models in essence.
The current tech is not able to produce agi.
>robot builder wheels itself in
unemployment office is that way Chad
Wheels are the worst mode of transport unsuited for places other than pre built pathways. There's a reason why evolution has not produced a creature that moves around by rolling.
rong
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel_spider
I knew you'll bring this up or some other creature that sometimes uses rolling to go downhill. That's still not it's primary mode of transportation.
no youre right.
its when the spinner goes TURBO
rolling > walking, ackshually
Anon, there's this thing in nature called "friction". Even monster trucks wear out as a result. AI can't break the laws of nature nor can it break law of conservation of mass and create unlimited resources.
oh, bc you think your knees dont experience friction?
*kneejoints more precisely
which are very poorly vascularized and thus dont really regenerate.
intelligent design aint so intelligent after all
rolling is the best. we should level all mountains and cover everything in cheap tarmac.
There's a fundamental difference between developing wheels and using one's body as a wheel.
Rolling is useful sometimes. Wheels aren't very good general-purpose locomotion shapes. The world isn't nearly flat enough for that.
>earth
>flat
please, do not summon them, anon
if only they built some kind of walkways around buildings while making them, I'd call it scaffolding or something
yeah, about that
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That's kind of pathetic lmao.
so is chatgpt. won't matter when the time comes
Chatgpt is still pathetic.
>robot doing backflips
>pathetic
apply yourself
Checkmate
biology can't grow ball bearing joints
Proof?
>There's a reason why evolution has not produced a creature that moves around by rolling.
there is, it's because evolution is false
Cope
never going to happen. costs too much to make any sort of sense.
Try again.
How much does the robot cost and how much does a mexican cost?
>Throw them some pesos, and they work so hard
low IQ comment
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/tesla-is-hiring-engineers-for-optimus-bot-mass-production-thousands-of-robots-planned-227646.html
i will frick a small robot b***h in the ass
that's gonna chafe a bit unless you bring plenty of synthetic lube
>bro wants to frick jonny5
>chat gpt:
get fricked, tradie
That's not really a big deal because most of the trades is already heavily automated to begin with.
the cope police is coming for you.
industrial amounts of cope without licence, see
Britty cool, but it doesn't seem to remove the load from the lower back. The butt part is probably too high.
What's the cost of one unit? Is it cheaper than employing expendable Europoors, that after10 years of manual work will have fricked up bodies, back pain etc.?
frick if i knew.
i stopped employing expendable europoors a while ago, geg
Can answer for the Hilti equivalent: $3500 AUD. Also lmao if you buy festool. You deserve every lost dollar if you do.
Chat, please jack me off.
Anon, I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but that exoskeleton fits over a person. It's not autonomous.
It will fit nicely over an immigrant who gets paid below the minimum wage
Which is still a person. So, clearly, the job has not been replaced. Were those goalposts heavy?
Are you retarted?
A tart is a pastry. I am a person. Are you moronic?
They're using it for Sense Data. Your time is up, meatbag.
why not?
in ze future you live and work in ze container
ze container is build and made by ze robot
and you VILL be happy about it
Because robots are expensive and unskilled labor is cheap. Even in manufacturing, we only use robots for critical or dangerous things, just because it's a pain in the ass when we change models or have to make an adjustment to manufacturing.
i bet OP can suck more diseased Black person dicks than any ai can.
Don’t you have a middle school math test to study for?
This is basically joke technology for anyone not living in tin shacks. All finishing work still has to be done by people.
okay. and what about the other 450 million white people in the western world.
I hope you don't think there will be half a billion construction workers
>All finishing work still has to be done by people.
I can do the finishing work myself though, and if I can, so can you and everyone else. Not that I am a huge fan of a monolithic concrete/iron houses though.
Pretty sure there would be some israelitery behind it all making it more complicated that it should (like loicensee to install windows or something like that).
still require the same amount of workers and have a more expensive material cost while being slower.
The cheaper way to build houses is with modular/prefab constructs.
*The Sims building music starts playing*
Been in one of these, basically a machine assisted adobe hut construction. It's comfy for minimal housing but not something you'd want to build office buildings or warehouses out of.
Rounded rooms are stressful to human mental health
Humans have to make these and they cost too fricking much.
I will give them this though, one of them survived a hurricane while buildings around it did not.
Got your robot poop housing waggie, here's your tradtroon husbando
No AI can do what I do (my job is saying the Black person word on the internet)
And you're worth every penny.
Hentai 3D animation. See how horrible all the AI generated sloppa on Pixiv or other platform makes you know that artists aren't getting replaced anytime sooner because my dick can instantly tell if some art is AI generated or not. My dick unironically has better AI detection than GPTZero (Frick you chink eyes Edward Tian for making a shitty AI SaaS)
This is half right. They're still going to replace them when they can and the quality will just drop overall. Netflix produces one trash after the next. It's the marketing that matters.
>GPT makes some human jobs easier
>people are seething about it.
frick humanity.
Yeah it makes it easier to replace people.
your censored garbage helps nobody
is it replace anyone yet?
other than worthless mail reports that no one read it didn't replace anyone or any field of job
smut drawing inkgays got btfod.
now coomers use models instead of paying.
making fury fetish is not a real job tho
i dont care either way, its normalspace, now that sexual degeneracy has gone mainstream.
Define "real job"
Duolingo laid off most of its translator staff and replaced them with AI
technical writers are pretty much extinct
resume coaches have to compete with AI now
companies are either shrinking or completely replacing their customer service departments
there is less need for junior devs, they won't completely disappear but the job market is only gonna get worse
this is literally what it should do though, AI translation is just far superior.
It's actually amazing how AI translation is absurdly superior to human translators for the majority of human languages so far.
Only languages that aren't perfect yet are shit like japanese were a ton of context is needed but if you compare it with how it was only a year ago it's clear that soon it will replace translators there as well.
It's mostly fear mongering/marketing.
Popular manga has started using ai to translate shit instead of localizers
Probably one of the best uses of it honestly. Tired of subtitle translators acting like they are god's gift to the world always asking for donations or crying about some slight against them
>whiiiine, why are people mean to me?! Now I wont translate for six months
Or my favorite
>Im changing the translation to make it progressive to current year
I don't really have a horse in this race, but why are blue collar workers so smug about their jobs not being replaced by AI yet? White collar jobs are easier to replace with existing AI tools because it's a matter of software. The infastructure is given by AWS, Azure, Google Cloud. All you need is a few devs with grad degrees in AI, and you're set. You can cut half the braindead jobs in your org. There is no such existing infrastructure in, say, construction. You can't just run buildASkyscraper.exe. You need hardware, which must go through rigorous iterative testing. This is still a few years away, but it's by no means impossible. If AI can beat the world champion at Go, it can outbuild some random fat alcoholic in rural Kansas who takes two weeks to do something a machine could do in an hour at a 100th of the cost with no complains, no workers union. It's a matter of time. Blue collar workers need to face the facts. Otherwise, they'll be in the denial while the rug is violently ripped out from under them like what's happening right now to animators, who similarly downplayed every advancement in AI for years until it was too late.
So what exactly are we going to do then?
>White collar work is fricked
>Blue collar work is fricked
>Art is fricked
Soooo...what? What do we do then? Let the elites kill us?
If I were to complain about the rain, would you telefrag me from behind while sperging about how precipitation is an essential component of our ecosystem's ability to sustain life? Do you have a bulleted resolution plan for every problem you have with the world? Baffling post.
Feels good being a sportschad. Will get a pro contract next year and drop this compsci bs.
>Soooo...what? What do we do then? Let the elites kill us?
Pretty much. See our ancestors would have risen up and slaughtered them all long ago but we are not our ancestors. Most westerners today are jelly-spined cowards who won't lift a finger no matter how bad things get. Brown skinned thirdys who DGAF about dying will fight of course, maybe even win but even if they lose it's still better than just inventing excuse after excuse after excuse to hold still while the noose is fastened around your neck.
>Most westerners today are jelly-spined cowards who won't lift a finger no matter how bad things get
That's not true at all, the second people start going hungry is when people start killing CEOs and firebombing police stations. Things have just never gotten that bad in the west before because they keep a steady supply of slop going.
>Things have just never gotten that bad in the west before because they keep a steady supply of slop going.
Except with how woke tv, movies, sports, and most entertainment is, people are no longer being distracted.
Huh? By slop I mean food. People will argue about entertainment and then that becomes the new distraction. Once people start literally starving, is when we start storming state and federal buildings together.
covid already fricked up restaurant food quality, too. hasnt been the same since
>the second people start going hungry is when people start killing CEOs and firebombing police stations
Kek, you just reminded me that obesity and related issues like heart disease are the number one problems in the US. We're literally too fat to fight le revolution right now.
>We're literally too fat to fight le revolution right now.
I mean - pretty much. That is by design, keep people fed and entertained and you can control them. The stupider they are, the better. Literally cattle, and I'm certainly no exception. I go to work, put in my 40-50 hours a week, eat shit because I'm tired and then go on BOT to distract myself with pointless conversations until I'm ready for bed. I am 34.
Yes but the homeless problem still grows and grows, and lots of people will be embittered by having their life dream of steady work as a [PROFESSION GOES HERE] taken away by a machine. Embittered and murderous. There will be plenty out there who decide to just go out with a bang while taking as many people as possible with them.
Just build a house, tradie
Is the writing on the wall for a worldwide uprising especially when it gets to blue-collar jobs? If so, the "elites" must have a plan for it already. Will it include limiting the adoption of AI and robotics so that enough jobs are preserved, or something else?
Responding to
>Will it include limiting the adoption of AI and robotics so that enough jobs are preserved, or something else?
If only there was a way for them to get rid of roughly 5.55B people or 73% of the world poluation somehow
That's how I'm reading it. AI accelerating the corpse of capitalism to extinction.Not sure what else comes out, but you're not going to be able to control a massive influx of worker replacement without a push back. It's been a slow drip since NAFTA, but with the other factors in play, I imagine we're seeing the beginning of end of society as we know for something else.
its not even a matter of automating blue collar in 7-10 years , when all the white collar workers jobs get automated away they wont just roll over and die , theyll flood tradies , its all fun and games saying coders and artists wont do shit , but we live in a real world , and yes theyll also learn to plumb and stack bricks,it doesnt actually take much learning, people dont go towards those jobs because theyre not creative/fullfilling , and take physical effort , but are braindead easy to learn , so in a dew years youll have a shit ton of white collar workers just flooding the blue collar field and undercutting the wages to get their in ,and then a race to the bottom begins , dude mining in his 40s was never going to learn to code , but a guy coding is going to learn to plumb real fast once hes starving , i really dont understand tradies laughing about this , its going to ruin their wages
Nah.
>I don't really have a horse in this race, but why are blue collar workers so smug about their jobs not being replaced by AI yet?
It's because they don't realize that white collar workers getting into blue collar professions is a LOT easier than the other way around. If white collar work suddenly goes away then the blue collar market is gonna be flooded with desperate labor supply, which will drive wages down. They would know this if they had gone to college.
We should clarify that when we talk about white collar workers getting into trades, we're not talking about Twitter artists, or women, or soft-handed basedboys that pay for Ikea funiture assembly. There's plenty of regular people working in banks and offices that have no problem getting their hands dirty.
Lots of those guys wash out of the trades when they decide to "try something new", but hunger and homelessness will probably force some hands to be certain. For some trades it would be welcome, some specialized trades (like mine) have a bastard of a time getting and keeping people.
There's not many of you in your 30's that are willing to put up with apprentice pay for 10 years in apprentice conditions.
You'll accept minimum wage for a desk job.
It's just that simple.
>he thinks any of work done by tradies is hard
I bought a new apartment a few years ago, had to do major renovations, first hired workers fricked things up a bit
I started doing things myself, putting up tiles, self-leveling floor, drilling in reinforced concrete, all basic stuff.
What I learned is:
- it's trivial to do right, in the mental sense
- it's draining physical labor that I don't want to do
what I gained from doing part of the work is the ability to know if someone does it right.
If I had no alternative I could definitely work like that, maybe watch some youtube tutorials.
It's the same for literally everything. You think repairing a HVAC requires more mental power than debugging a years-old codebase? lmao.
What should one do
>I don't really have a horse in this race, but why are blue collar workers so smug about their jobs not being replaced by AI yet?
Because they have spent the last two decades being told they were getting replace by gays who are actually getting replaced first.
except it was a trade morons like mike rowe wiener crying about libruhls not wanting to shovel shit all day to make an excuse for businesses to hire illegal workers and drive immigration
>It's a matter of time
Their basic claim is that the amount of time in question is longer than their expected years of work or even their entire remaining lifespan. That is, if they're 30 now and it takes 50 years for chatgpt to build a building, they are personally safe and it doesn't matter.
It's personal vindictiveness - A LOT and I mean A LOT of white collars are smarmy buttholes that much of the world would love to see get totally BTFO'd for a change.
> dude mining in his 40s was never going to learn to code , but a guy coding is going to learn to plumb real fast once hes starving
Don't bet on this as quickly as you think - tribal differences in politics and other factors make it very hard for some liberal brokie to all of a sudden get man hands and get his body put through the grinder. Many of these pricks are so elitist about it they'd rather try academia for a decade before getting back into trades.
>tribal differences in politics and other factors
This is actually why I should never have gone to school in the first place. I genuinely hate the ivory tower queers who work in my degree field. I much preferred the felons and drug addicts I worked with as a line cook. Biggest invisible factor in why poor people stay poor, nothing to do with skills or intelligence or even family connections. If you interview for a Good Job and they think you're from the wrong caste, you're out.
Artist
Unironically
It will replace fiverr graphic designers, furry comissioners, all the waggies of the cinema industry and so on, but it won't remplace the homosexuals doing millions sticking a banana on the wall because their value is not the output result, and it won't replace people doing art for passion and not for money of fame
This.
People made a mistake calling anyone that have practiced their drawing skills a little "artist", when in reality those people never create anything artistic.
All they do is take a description of an image from other people (together with their money) and produce and image along those instruction or they take 2 concepts and combine them, such as currently popular anime character + meme pose or currently popular anime character + porn.
Someone can practice 20 years playing an instrument, never do more than play sheet music for people and I would not consider them to be creating "art" either, I don't see why drawing should be different.
>AI won't stop people for making art for free
No shit. Do you know how long it takes to make a 5-minute animated short? Clearly not. Artists, including many very talented, experienced ones, have enough trouble making ends meet as is. Now the gigs they rely on to keep the lights on are in jeopardy of being done mostly by AI. You're a total dumbass. I'm a software developer who's dating an animator who interned at Pixar, and she can't find work. The team she interned with was cut completely, and now the CEO is talking about replacing 1/4th of their employees with AI models. People aren't going to do this shit for free, and if this is really your perspective, then you're as emotionally moronic as you are conventionally moronic. Remember this post when you feel the ground beneath you shrinking because your job is being given to a machine.
>Remember this post when you feel the ground beneath you shrinking because your job is being given to a machine.
Spoken like a true luddite, UBI is likely to become a thing more now than ever
>luddite
I have a MS in AI, lil bro. Unlike you, I'm not just so nocoder who thinks he's a galaxy brain for knowing how to save a minute here and there with chat gpt. I know how these models work under the hood and have even written papers on the topic. That doesn't mean I don't think there are drawbacks. The world isn't black and white. Use your head and stop mindlessly regurgitating buzzwords on BOT. Or don't. I doubt you're important enough for anybody to care either way.
Yeah we probably should have scrapped the steam-shovel because the ditch diggers shouldn't have had to contend with being made redundant by a machine.
Same with direct long distance dialing. Think of those operators.
>dude you like, feel bad for people who studied animation for five years and cant get a job? haha hey everyone look at this snowflake, i bet you've never heard of a lil thing called the industrial revolution ;;) lmao criiiiiinge
What kind of autism is this?
Of course I feel bad for them, but what are you suggesting should be done? Cease the development of AI?
Should the coal mines in West Virginia stay open just so that the workers can have a job? Some of those guys have been working in the mines for 25+ years.
>Of course I feel bad for them
Oh, well I guess you think we should go back to foraging for berries naked and afraid in the wilderness, huh?
>what are you suggesting should be done? Cease the development of AI?
Nothing in particular. You assumed my whole worldview just because it allowed you to frame my argument as a trope that you've been taught by some youtuber to disprove. The rest of your reply is the same kind of waffling you've been doing for several posts at this point, and I'm not going to dignify it with a reply.
He made a reasonable inference on your position based on your greentexted criticism of his point, which was: only a mentally deficient person would suggest what he did. It's pretty natural that he would infer that you have a position counter to his own. But, as it turns out, you don't have a position at all. You're just a contrarian homosexual.
This but unironically. Spiteful mutants like you would have died in childbirth instead of sucking up resources that were meant for normal people.
So what's your point paper boy? Typing without saying anything? Sure way to way publish Mr Et Al
>UBI
UBI will be the next thing ~~*they*~~ will get everyone hooked on. Basic spending will be completely controlled by the gobmit and all they have to do is continue with inflation.
They're never going to give you money. Look at the pandemic where they mandated everything be shutdown and how everyone in congress did all they could to prevent help to the common man. You got like 2k throughout the entire thing and even that had to be debated on. You're not in the budget; you are the income. This isn't me being a libertarian this is me being a realist. You'll never see UBI for the same reason you'll never see medicare turn into an option for everyone. If you're a euro, maybe you might, but an American? Never happening.
Look at it this way, inflation will sky rocket while wage will barely move. Supply on things like food will grow scarcer with fake excuse like the increased fake wars around the globe. Housing, goods etc. will be limited more and more. Why will they do this? So that "UBI" will have been the pay you'd received if the wage was keeping up with the inflation without shortage on goods in essence controlling minimum spending. They can implement this in various ways not inherently tied to money like you'll receive an UBI "fund" tied to an UBI card to buy X groceries, X clothes and pay up to X amount of bills. This was never about giving away free shit it was always about control.
>you are the income
but that is why they have to give me ubi, im not the income if i don't have any money to spend on slop and plastic
Yeah because everyone currently is controlled by their retirement funds lmao please have a nice day you worthless sack of shit. If I get UBI how are they gonna stop me from taking the money out and buying guns with it? magic? mind control? you Black person moronic zoomers need to be put into the grave the worst generation besides baby boomers. It's absolutely insane how you both are exactly alike and its annoying af seeing how most of you aren't even fricking 30yrs old yet. Millenials psyoped themselves into being called boomers are also pathetic. Shit everytime I go out anywhere I see zoomer cuts too. What is with that why hasn't that ended? Shit is insane its like if you are zoomer you gotta get that because you came out of the same womb as the next biracial mutt baby.
Problem is with art and white collar jobs being replaced it's not easy to simply change careers. You spend large amounts of time and money devoting your skillset to these kinds of jobs and now not only are you replaced but technology moves so fast you don't even have time to adapt. You work your ass off to be an artist or accountant and now you have to go work at walmart or be a construction worker.
You want to truck along with this technology without thinking about the consequences. Once all of the white collar jobs dry up because of AI the trades and manual labor shit not take over by AI (yet) are going to be over saturated and those wages will fall.
You're solution is to...bank on the hope that our governments will give us free money...That's dumb. It's also not happening. They'll let us all starve before that becomes a reality. You are utopian.
There's literally no point in an economy with no consumers, unless we ain't talking about an economy but a literal dystopia
>There's literally no point in an economy with no consumers, unless we ain't talking about an economy but a literal dystopia
We are going to live in a dystopia soon. israeli will roll out despotism once AI is perfected enough to replace every essential job.
Why is everyone assuming the cat wasn't out of the bag with automated content curation algorithms? You all should have been throwing a tantrum 10 years ago. Hell, you should have been throwing a tantrum 50 years ago with the development of SQL. But no, the people most in a position to understand what was going on were too busy drinking their overpriced slave-sourced coffee and casually talking about the total replacement of fabrication and construction workers with machines.
That's why it all rings hollow. Accelerate.
>Accelerate.
This is truly the only answer. There's no turning back, the only hope for anyone is for everyone to be out of work.
Underage moron
UBI already exists and has already existed for a very long time Black person.
Corporate jobs are UBI.
sorry, but no one is going to stop technological progress because it made you feel bad for a little while
if everyone always made sure the weakest links in society aren't hurt somehow before trying anything new, there would be nothing but regression for the rest of our history
damn bro, you still suck in 2015 lib trolling mode? time to move on
Cry me a river b***h. I don't give a frick if millions of these """artists""" lose their jobs no longer being able to produce animated goyslop for the next generations of consumers. The sooner these parasites are alienated from a comfortable lifestyle and are forced to actually produce ground breaking creative works that stand solely on their merit the better. And if the pressure is too much to handle they're clearly not cut out to be artists or better yet shouldn't.
didn't read
don't care, point still stands. Enjoy job hunting homosexual
didn't read that either
What are you gay prostitute
It is very funny to me how many people's takes on the rollout of neural nets to various fields on here boil down to 'it'll frick over these people I hate', usually just paired with some vague rant about how no 'true' X or whatever should have to worry.
They're also generally the same people who don't seem to grasp that it's not the quality of the output currently determining any of this, it's the cost to the company. We live in an age where companies across many markets have realised that if enough of them make the same bad move for the end user/consumer at once and stick with it long enough, we all just have to fricking deal with it.
The white collar crowd was very guilty of this same thing not terribly long ago. I can remember back in the 90s and early 00s when people casually believed manual labor was going to be replaced by machines within 10 years. That's where "learn to code" came from. They also generally believed that no machine could ever be capable of any sort of creative output, be it imagery, or animation, or articles/blogs.
People are idiots. Accelerate.
>Remember this post when you feel the ground beneath you shrinking because your job is being given to a machine.
I'm already doing a job that will never get replaced by AI
Accelerate.
Your suffering is less important that society's total productivity in the long term
there are fabs that make buildings already, this is probably the worst example of the sentiment
at the very least use plumbers
Eventually, yes.
It's fricking hilarious, AI will replace all the 'brainy' jobs, and the only ones that will be left are ones that require you to use your hands. Designing robot bodies is a million times harder than designing robot minds.
none.
>implying there won't be at least another 20 different swarms from other civilizations
>implying they didn't deploy their swarms 3 million years ago
lmao
Sorry anon, but it's over
I want AI to takey job
But I want to keep the salary
We are tens of decades out from wagie labor jobs and trade jobs from being overtaken by artificial essential workers. But once that time does come there will be a new industrial revolution but it will most likely devolve into organized communes supplying cheap slave labor (Slaves being supplied food and home in advanced by a foreman but work a slave wage job for no wages paid directly to the slave) competing against cheap robotic labor.
Shits gonna get dystopian.
Not even that. You're just going to starve while elites get cyber serfs. Yes, you will starve. Your money won't save you. Earth's pop will crash, humanity (jews) finally inherit the land of milk and honey and you go on the forgotten pile of dead humans.
but how do I get access to that land if I am israeli but work as a software engineer and not part of the super rich
What you fail to understand is there are people in government and business who want to keep the pecking order intact, they don't want regular people to be jobless, a slavedriver gets off on having slaved. All the shittiest jobs will never go away.
>We are tens of decades out from wagie labor jobs and trade jobs from being overtaken by artificial essential workers.
so we're tens of decades out from mass depopulation and civilizational collapse?
>Your skills are irreplaceable
>Billions of people will just accept starvation whilst the 'elite' eat cake
I'm not a commie but you're deluded if you think this.
Demoralization shills are next in line to be replaced.
People are already starving now moron. You're already forgotten in the story of humanity anyway. Your next post is cope.
>conflating localized famines with global starvation
>pre-empting any response with declaration of cope
don't forget to dilate
Literally 70+% of the population is overweight
There's a big difference between "Wow, food has gotten expensive" and shooting your neighbor for a loaf of bread.
>People are already starving now moron
Do Americans think "starving" is when you weren't able to afford your 5th big mac of the day?
I believe his point was that we've had famine in Africa and Yemen very often in the last few decades and no one cares, which implies that the elites won't care about us either
moronic baby mind broken by masks.
Yes? The frick are you or anyone else going to do about it? People are useless, the elites have already won. Billions of people let a couple of morons put them under house arrest for a year because of covid. Goyim are dumber than cattle, anon. It's over.
Why are right wingers such solipsistic low IQs?
>I'm not hungry, so world hunger doesn't exist
world hunger literally doesnt exist, a minority of the worlds population is going hungry. a significant minority at that.
t. third world immigrant
Have you ever been to eastern europe, india or africa?
>but muh first hand experience!
and? the stats are what they are, sorry.
The stats are that around one billion people don't have enough to eat, fatass. How's keto and nofap going?
>an eigth of the worlds population
>zomg world hunger!
moron, why exagerate? why cant you doom mongers just call things what they are.
"World hunger" means "hunger around the world" you absolute fricking sperg moron
Critical thinking and reading comprehension aren't the strongest suit of a right wing manlet.
and the hunger is not "around the world" its entirely localized in a few areas. you fricking mong.
Areas which are distributed around the world, moron
lmao no
Frick, right wingers can't think abstractly.
Yes, and that is entirely the result of sanctions, corruption, and political maneuvering. Your point is not what you think it is.
lol, lmao even.
companies are the new religions.
they co-opt movements and control narratives to staunch dissident.
it's all over for tradecucks
No, but all the felons, drunks, and incompetents in the trades are going be out of a job. Maybe it is a vision of a based world after all.
Is "learn a trade" the new "learn to code" scam to drive down wages?
80k starting salary for a cop with no experience, or degree isn't bad. CS grads can't even find a job.
I groom dogs, It's not impossible for a robot to do so. But they would have to be as capable as a human in broad set of abilities. It would take a long time to build the manufacturing plants and produce enough of such robots to fulfill the demand even once a suitable modal is developed so I'm good for at at least 10-15 years.
This is why they are making as human-like robots as possible. So that they can do work just like humans and learn easier from humans.
>Bro trying to flex about feeding dogs hrt and fricking them.
I'm fricking sick of Linux gays on this board.
That's a common misconception. I mostly use windows.
>Workers: "Hey Chat GPT, finish this building..."
>ChatGPT: *spits out a PDF file that fully specifies the blueprint and source code for a robot that can finish the building at a lower cost than the workers*
And who builds the robot?
I am an AI believer. But i DO NOT think jobs are going to extinct. We just need to learn some new things, that's all.
There will be always jobs for people in tech.
You're a fricking mongoloid is what your are
>Jobs AI wont replace
>building and manufacturing
What is this? 1930?
Literally THE Ford had unions form against his automation processes from memory.
Because machines are anti-Semitic or something. I dunno.
Anyway, they're already in a post-automaton stage industry wise, but that doesn't mean the more sophisticated aspects of it won't be automated.
>the only thing keeping AI from building buildings is that robots are not as mobile as construction workers
When they invent hovering robots it is literally over
Impossible to say. 10 years ago everyone thought truckers would be replaced by self-driving vehicles by now. But they are just in demand as ever. Skilled trades are definitely going to be some of the safest jobs going into the next 10 years, though.
yeah the trucker-replacement is still happening, especially when they threaten shit like mass boycotts, all that does is make Executive Coke Addict #24 snort another line and start screaming at car companies to get the tech out faster
they're living on borrowed time that ends this decade
Two more weeks
I think the tech for self driving already exists, recent gemini is fantastic at analyzing video.
The problem is that it requires a data center, and nobody will accept cars relying on mobile internet to drive.
There's also the bare energy requirement, it easily takes close to 2kW of power for models of these capabilities. That's a lot, especially for electric cars, although less important for trucks. All that hardware also takes a lot of physical space.
That's why it will happen in 2030s. It's not a matter of software anymore. It's a matter of hardware that can run near-human level software in a car without costing $100k itself, and without burning a significant fraction of energy.
The reliability and common sense thinking required for full self driving in any situation is the same one required for welding, carpentry and probably plumbing. Maybe throw in more. This constant frickuping of AI is also the reason why basically no white collar jobs will disappear completely, just get lower in numbers and the job description instead becomes fixing AI frickups.
Every single time it rains on my ~40 mile commute AT LEAST one dumb fricker along the way has crashed their car. The bar is low
I always assume one person will die at least during rain storms or during the weekend night time due to drunk drivers.
>10 years ago everyone thought truckers would be replaced by self-driving vehicles by now. But they are just in demand as ever.
Because insurance rates should insane if self-driving vehicles are the new normal in transportation, policy will only cover your cargo if your truck is self driven, and premiums up 200% or just refuse cover if there human drivers.
Cost of human drivers are too low that replacing with self-driving with crazy premiums is losing money for the transportation company
>just go into the trades dude
Biggest cope ever. This shit is filled with overweight immigrants making barely minimum wage. Whoever posted that image is a fricking fat boomer subhuman.
Then go into a skilled trade, you moron.
But I'm white and not some latino/slav/mediturd who loves to lick some fat boomers ass like a cuckservative slave.
SKILLED trade, you absolute illiterate.
Carpenter
Rancher
Chef
Gunsmith
Paramedic
Jeweler
Diver
They cap out at 70-80k without starting your business or networking into a cushy (and heavily gatekept) position. They're not that great careers.
You should learn them, so you don't have to pay drunks and morons $200/hr ($20 of which are going to them) to frick up your house.
>overweight immigrants making barely minimum wage
in tech you will get ordered around by pajeets
in trades you order them around
>in trades you order them around
Like this would make things better. You never worked a day in the skilled trades, slavoicicizvzicikak and it shows.
Ai right now will mostly replace white collar knowledge economy jobs. Things that have to do with memory and information.
Ironically blue collar jobs are safe for now because they still havent built a robot that can work construction, do your plumbing or cut your hair
if your Job can be done by AI it wasn't a real job to begin with
You know... actually... I agree with this kinda.
In this entire thread of bullshit and random arguments... yea, if an AI can do your job and replace you, at this point in 2024, your job was very likely not a real job in the first place.
Now please, though, tell me, when the AI's poor self-programmed instructions set shits itself, who's going to pick up the pieces? Oh, that's right, it's people like me.
My job is safe for the foreseeable future.
Also, side note:
AI replacing jobs isn't all bad. In fact, if we restructure society so that we can have a UBI, have people have good housing as a right (not a financial privilege, like it is now), we could easily be a very productive society, full of happy people.
But of course, right now, the billionaires are not onboard with all that, since right now, no one has pulled out the FrenchDevice(tm) this time around.
>white collar work gets AI'd
>former white collar wagies start flooding trade schools, job sites, getting CDL's, etc
>skilled labor massively devalued due to saturation just like code monkeys today
Lol, lmao
if you think white collar wagies can compete with tradies in their own field, you are out of your fricking mind.
The biggest overweight NPC morons are tradies
white collars chose not to go into trades because white collar jobs are easier, don't destroy your body, and better paid. you just have to be more intelligent.
anyone can learn and master a trade, it takes no special skill. just practice.
you contradict yourself. they went into white collar because they wanted it easier, what makes you think theyll be able to adjust to the harder lifestyle of the trades?
what else do you think all these workers without work will now do? roll over and starve?
suffer, because theyre weak.
Most people prefer the easy way. This is why we invented anything at all, because it makes our life easier. That doesn't mean that they can't do the harder jobs. But the others couldn't do the elsier ones.
This. I worked as a mechanic before and the biggest fricking losers with the IQ of toast could do it. Tradies won't be automated for a long time, because these idiots are so cheap and lick every boot they can. It would be way too expensive to automate this with AI. I will also never understand people who say they worked with the greatest people when in the trades. At no other place you will find bigger backstabbing homosexuals and scum.
This guy has never seen the absolute 70IQ mongoloids who work as operators in oil and gas and chemical plants lmao. In a unit with 12 operators probably 3 are your stars who can troubleshoot to resolution totally on their own, 3 are average who can sometimes fix shit but sometimes just give up and leave it for day shift, and the other 6 can barely form a coherent sentence and will call technical staff about absolutely everything. Tons of them are overweight and out of shape too. Same goes for scaffold builders, welders, pipefitters, I&E, etc. wouldn’t you know the Pareto rule applied basically everywhere.
This meme that tradies are 400iq jacked gigachads needs to die lmao it’s so fricking far from the truth.
>Hey Chat GPT, won't tradies be replaced by AI because they are cheap low IQ low lives, or because AI isn't that advanced yet?
>Hey Chat GPT, how good do I have to suck the dick of my boss to earn more than minimum wage as a tradie destroying my body and having to work with immigrants?
This ai shit created a lot of coping wagie morons. Peak comfy to watch as a neet.
too spenno to ai for at least 50 years hey
>hey chat gpt, finsh this building..
You don't get it. That is the point, it will.
t. disabled
Guess I'm fricked
Personally I'm thinking about joining the police or the feds (like CBP or forest service or something eventually).
The system's enforcers aren't about to get replaced with AI and bullshit lol.
Join the USAF if you can, the bennies are top tier. In addition to GI Bill, you get $5k a year for college while active duty, and $4500 for certs/trainings. On top of that, if you're a good boy your unit will send you to trainings/classes/etc for your job. I got sent to CCNA and CCNP classes.
I did 7 years, got out, and now make over $100k as a network engineer.
most trades in general are not feasible to replace humans from.
lets say for example welding. alright they have big robots that weld stuff in factories, cool. thats 5% of all welding done. Structural welding will never be replaced by robots because its far too costly, same with agriculture, ship building, any mobile welder stuff, exhaust shops, ect ect.
it boils down to robotics are expensive, they will always be expensive. they are only economical in extreme hazard environments or highly integrated work like assembly lines
The "elites will just genocide us all once automation replaces most jobs" doom theory is really moronic. Seen one to many slop movies and seen too little of reality.
It is logistically impossible and I doubt the elite would like to fight hundreds of thousands of insurrection cells all over the world for literally hundreds of years.
White collar gays need to stop being bitter about being replaced by AI and instead pick up a screwdriver and do some real work.
Nobody wants to admit it but AI will never replace prostitutes. Men want real women who were born out of a disgusting old vegana and lived a shitty childhood with no father.
most construction jobs only operate in "skeleton crew" mode where a dude make the work of three dudes. Pay is so low in construction that nobody expect robot builders replacing people.
Oddly human workers installed this giant ad in Belgium, but Belgians citizens only know Dutch (Flemish), French, and German. German is a much more widely spoken language than English in the market they're actually trying to appeal to.
Which just means the worker pool is going to increase and you will have a harder time finding work anyway
It's just a matter of time, AI will get smart enough to understand the world around it and tradies won't be able to scam anyone else
Yes and who will fill those buildings when nobody has jobs and money? i.e. where will the demand come for those buildings
It's similar to the military. So far we have AI (AKA remote controlled) airplanes/torpedoes but picrel is still not a thing and likely won't be for a long time.
chatgpt just makes my programming skills even more valuable.
literally only takes like 5 nukes to EMP the entire earth back to the stone age.
>Satisfying jobs in construction
>Satisfying
>construction
Lmao the absolute blue collar brainlet cope.
Being a janny.
Because they do it for free and you need to pay to use AI
Should I learn web development or cyber security? What will AI take over faster
Imagine wanting to work a blue collar job. You will never find a bigger concentration of backstabbing, lazy subhumans on this planet, who are ready to lick boots for one dollar per hour more. No wonder that the trades are dying and only filled with replacable bugs.
I enjoy fricking over the lazy scumbags by simply showing up on time, and doing my job.
And I personally would love to see a motherfricker try.
If you show up on time, do your job well, then you are the top 0.001% in the trades. Most of them are lazy scum who got a hooker pregnant and shit on other poor people instead of their rich boss buying another house.
>instead of their rich boss buying another house
wait what? what did the boss do wrong?
Paying them barely minimum wage and providing no bonuses, while he spends that money on useless luxury shit. Not that a blue collar worker would understand.
You didn't say any of that.
It's curious, for the other group you said "lazy scum". highlighting the reason theyre shitty. But for the boss, you said "rich and buying another house"
does being rich in your brain equal paying workers low wages and buying useless luxury?
if so, why?
Cybersecurity. Can’t have firewall code written by a machine
you could, it would just have to be a custom model that you dont release.
Are you sure?
With the interest rate what it is, no one is building anything anyway. At least here.
Ahegao pornstars
>Hey Jose, finish this building...
and just like that, BTFO'd
The impact the current wave of AI tools has has been overstated. Future tools aren't going to be a whole lot better. The RoI for LLMs is pretty unclear to begin with.
Instead of trying to cling to work that will inevitably be automated by AI and robots, we need to start thinking about radically new economic systems because the existing ones (debt-based capitalism and socialism) CANNOT survive survive.
As far as I can tell, our choices are:
Embrace Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism
or
Let the elites kill us all when they no longer have use for us
Make your choice, because the clock is ticking. We all know what the preferable one is if the plebs get too uppity.
>Hey check this new modular construction system that doesn't require skilled workers
>Btw you are fired lol. Hey Juan, finish this building...
>plastic
would it warp over time?
starting hvac in a month. did I do good or am I fricked?
low-skill jobs like cashiers are already getting replaced by machinery, thats why AI wont replace it, because they can be replaced by simpler machines
low IQ jobs will be replaced by machines, and high IQ jobs will not be, becuase high IQ people will be creating the machinery. simple as.
I got bad news for you. There's probably at least one stem master's degree holder working as a cashier at your local grocery store.
hows this thread still up?
wagies btfo
if not in the short-
then in the mid-term
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There is not a single job that AI cant and won't replace. We will become fully automated in less than 2 decades.
We will unironically need communism if we intend to survive as a species.
That's not true AI is hype now ,and half the shit that cutting edge LLMs even output is statistically incorrect most of the time. The AI art is limited and uncreative but it will be really the only thing to completely replace a field. Artists are going away or become tech grunts.
ML has been around for 40 years and they have always been saying "but wait just a few years and it'll be perfect and control the world" they've been saying that for 40 years. But yeah you're so sure the wait is over. Well, in a year maybe. Or two.
>Misunderstanding art this hard
Art was always about hustle. Human made as a label has market value just like slapping organic on food does. Not to mention art has more mediums than digital and the tools of digital art change all the time AI or not. Additionally the entry problem existed with art independent of AI due to media consolidation.
yfw the basedjak is blocking the words "for now"
Any job.
Corporations will rush to it, eat shit when the AI hallucinations and dependence on AI companies frick up their profits and then need human labor again after hackers figure out more ways to frick up AI training data. Dependency on AI becomes a curse and instead of contracts with employees that you can fire if they're shit, you find your company beholden to the whims of OpenAI.
Keep telling yourself that. Rich people alreday have all the money, AI is not meant for making more money, it's meant to ENSLAVE YOU.
homie you're already enslaved
wake the frick up
>a try to enslave humanity with LLMs
>Hallucinated information causes strategic blunders by the rulers while the tradies cut the coords and the UPS drivers lord over us like a modern khanate.
>Just become a trucker bro
By the time you spend years trying to get into a different field the AI already will be taking it.
LLMs cannot be as intelligent as a human
It is impossible
But jobs that can involve lots of writing can have some trouble
Animation and drawing seems to be affected as well.
But what else? What else can language models provide? Nothing much. We are already at the limit of llms.
Will they replace doctors so you can get your treatment from them? No
Will they replace teachers so you can learn from them? Nah
Will they replace drivers? Nope
LLMs cannot be creative in real sense. They cannot be problem solvers.
They are language models in essence.
The current tech is not able to produce agi.