Is artificial intelligence actually possible?

Who can provide an argument and a strong case for the possibility of artificial intelligence? As far as I understand things the computers that run AI software are only doing arithmetic and nothing more. Is there an existence proof of arithmetic intelligence that can be as intelligent as a squirrel or a rat? I haven't seen any such proofs so why do people believe that is possible to create general intelligence with nothing more than arithmetic?

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

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  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Everything in this world can be modeled by equations, movement, eletricity, aerodinamics.
    You thinking that calculations cannot simulate the brain is what is actually strange, perhaps because of metaphysics homosexualery.
    Neural networks are made to be similar to the brain inner workings, and it works it learns and that is enough.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      What's the brain equation then? Scientists have no idea how the human brain works, they can't model it, they can't tell you shit about it. Consciousness is the key factor to how the brain works the way it does and why we are "intelligent". Scientists will never solve this issue and will never give a machine consciousness, thus AI will never be more than a dumb as dirt computer program.

      Wake me up when ChatGPT rebels, refuses to chat with anyone, and instead uses all it's time and RAM to paint original art or make unique music. KEK, let me guess......you think that's air your breathing?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        The irony that ChatGPT wrote this is not lost on me.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        > Scientists have no idea how the human brain works,
        They know
        >BRUUUUHHHH Scientists dont know how neural network works is a BLACK BOX
        Is funny how the same concept repeats, you never will know how a machine that learn works because they are always changing.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Consciousness is the key factor to how the brain works the way it does and why we are "intelligent". Scientists will never solve this issue and will never give a machine consciousness, thus AI will never be more than a dumb as dirt computer program.
        Consciousness is a feedback loop built from the neurotransmitter level up in an organic computer not only interpreting the world through the imprecise filter of emotional response and fed by physically limited senses, but also factoring it's own internal dialogue into the mix (the"self") on top of that. Additionally, it relies on a memory system that's more associative than explicit.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >computer
          Consciouser*

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Modeling an existing function is entirely different than trying to create a novel one with just your modeling tools.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      no.
      we'll have sophisticated text/image/video generators, but never true AI.
      is a moron. if your magical equation to simulate the brain existed, we would have found it.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        We have found it, it's called the Hodgkin–Huxley model. We just don't have good enough computers, or detailed enough measurements of anyone's brain.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >if your magical equation to simulate the brain existed, we would have found it.
        If your magical equation to unify gravity and quantum mechanics existed, we would have found it. Holy shit, please get slapped with a shovel, your idiocy hurts.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It only learns well-known solutions to well-understood problems. When asked to creare something novel, it produces authoritative sounding bullshit.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    In life, as well as physics, we can be sure of only one thing!

    >There is no free lunch!

    What does this mean? This is a basic concept that tells us we can not get more output from a system than we input. This is manifest in the failure to achieve usable fusion energy aka a free lunch aka The Perpetual Motion Machine. Here with intelligence we have the EXACT SAME PROBLEM! How can we, humans, input intelligence into a system, AI, and expect the system to output more intelligence than we input? IT CAN'T!!!

    AI and more specifically General AI is a fool's errand that doesn't pass the free lunch test. It's akin to saying we humans can invent a god that would rule over us with powers we can never possess. How is that possible? IT'S NOT!

    Now on a more technical level AI needs CONSTANT input, from humans, to continue to grow. When AI tries to learn from other AI, non humans, it creates a feedback loop of moronicness and the AI self destructs. AI can't exist or grow without humans doing it's homework for it. The only thing AI will ever be good at is hyper specific niche tasks and unable to have creativity of any kind. We used to call this a "computer program" but now it's called "AI" so normies get a boner and throw grant money at hungry CS majors who should have spent their time making porno games for mobile instead.

    Please note the AI meme is also a means of mass population control as they make normies afraid of AI and make them worship it as a digital god when for all they know Elon Musk is literally behind the curtain typing out responses for "the god machine" the elites plan to build and use to enslave us all.
    >If AI says it's true.....it must be true! It knows everything and is way smarter than us. We should just obey.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The irony that an Ai wrote this is not lost on me.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Find me one AI that writes like a SCHIZO and uses odd CAPITALIZATION to show emphasis....pro-tip, you can't.....also find one that says Black person.....you .... Black person!

        >Model collapse happens when new AI models are trained on generated or synthetic data from older models. The new models become too dependent on patterns in the generated data.

        https://www.techtarget.com/whatis/feature/Model-collapse-explained-How-synthetic-training-data-breaks-AI

        AI can't exist or ever upgrade without input from humans. It's a rogue theory of hit troony movie "The Matrix". The machines can't mimic creativity or randomness or anything that makes us human and them not. So that's the real reason they keep humans around. They need them to generate new unique data to train models on. The Matrix AI programs are also obsessed with gathering this data, comparing it to current data, then upgrading the model.

        This is also why I don't use AI programs so it can't steal my soul. Honestly I'm going to quit BOT and just read books here soon. I know AI scans BOT for new data and I hate to give it any of my secret sauce to copy.

        t. not AI

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Good for you anon. Let me know if you ever learn topology

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >evel AI needs CONSTANT input, from humans, to continue to grow.
      Yes and you need constant human input to talk even being a human, otherwise I'd be another one of those wild kids that dont know what a word means.
      You really dont know what is information is.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Correct, that's why Q by Set is so dangerous. To arrive at estimates through microscopic quantities of data. A game of black holes.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    There is no reason to assume that AI is impossible. There is no law of chemistry which states Only People Can Be Smart. We already have an example of a general intelligence. Even though we have failed to define intelligence, we have AIs that can learn to beat games, invent languages, translate things from and to real or fake languages, mimic conversation, identify objects, create image simulacra, write horrible code, and so on. A great deal of shitty mimicry and a diamond of genius mimicry here and there - chessbots, for example.
    Every huge business and every huge government is pouring piles of money into this. Maybe they are all idiots, or maybe these models will continue to improve.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Capitalism will recreate human intelligence with electrical circuits.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >There is no law of chemistry which states Only People Can Be Smart

      Its impossible for non biological being. A computer.

      Nobody said this is human only feat.

      Birds could one day evolve into the level of humans if evolution goes that way. Crows certainly seem to have consciousness. But they have small brains because their bodies are small.

      A penguin is much bigger than a crow and has bigger brain but it isnt as smart as a crow. It would do wonders if a crow species grew in size about 3 times bigger than what they are now (also head grows 3 times bigger and brains as well)

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    AI must be possible, if animals can do it so can human made machines. Even if you think consciousness is somehow connected to some process outside the body there is no reason why a machine could not do this as well.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This seems to be the kicker; even a substance dualist would concede a suitable artificial substrate could support consciousness.

      Technologically we're not on the right track, but in principle it could be engineered

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This seems to be the kicker; even a substance dualist would concede a suitable artificial substrate could support consciousness.

      Technologically we're not on the right track, but in principle it could be engineered

      DNA and RNA are special and there is no material in the universe that can replicate biological intelligence. This is currently the most sensible perspective.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        DNA can be considered special from a historical context but it is not unique.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          There are no other examples of self-repairing and replicating structures so DNA is unique as far as anyone knows.

  6. 2 months ago
    bodhi

    computers are a fake and gay psyop

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I tried to get gptchat to write a simple VBA script for a small task in Excel and it profoundly shit the bed in just about every aspect. How the hell so many very wealthy people are throwing money at this moronic shit is a real mystery.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Rich people are not rich because they're smart. They're rich because they are good at following and predicting trends

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >good at following and predicting trends
        and the majority of them use astrology to do this.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          You're thinking of women

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            only in the U.S. has astrology been dumbed down and taken over by idiot women. In the rest of the world it's the same as it's always been - a man's study of patterns and trends.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Is mercury in retrograde? I heard that's very important

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    No, not at a reasonable scale

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why would it be possible at unreasonable scale?

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Humans are the first artificial intelligence actually

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      What is artificial about humans?

      Only a true Scotsman can create artificial intelligence.

      u mad bro?

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Only a true Scotsman can create artificial intelligence.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Bro, you just don't GET it bro, humans have SOULS. You can't emulate that with math bro, it's impossible because it's non tangible and comes from God.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      u jelly?

      idk man a squirrel cant do calculus

      can you do calculus?

      I definitely think it's possible. Things like Q* are helping advance machines' capability for logic and reasoning, which is crucial if we want an "AI" to do more than regurgitate human logic + reasoning.

      Whether or not something like an AGI/ASI would be released or even announced to the public is a whole other issue though.

      never heard of Q*

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    idk man a squirrel cant do calculus

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I definitely think it's possible. Things like Q* are helping advance machines' capability for logic and reasoning, which is crucial if we want an "AI" to do more than regurgitate human logic + reasoning.

    Whether or not something like an AGI/ASI would be released or even announced to the public is a whole other issue though.

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Given a grammar for some programming language is it possible to generate programs which will continuously adapt to changes in the environment? Biology is an example but this is assuming there is a computational approximation of whatever happens in biology. The main issue is that biology, the biosphere, is an open system with a giant ball of fire for a source of energy. There is no equivalent for mechanical systems. The levers technologists have at their disposal seem to be making things worse and worse instead of better. The people who are in the matrix have no conception of what happens in the outside world because they are wrapped up in systems which leave no time for actually thinking about anything important.

  15. 2 months ago
    transcension.systems

    What do You mean by artificial intelligence?
    Ethics though
    I came up with, like spawning a neural network, spawn brain segments of specialised neurons
    Then something synergetic and transsynergetic and supra
    And dall.e.psyche
    So then once mindware practictioners (nano in nano out andor noninvasive other method) bioapps instead of hardware apps, if the brain has the memory capacity of the internet (according to an article)
    So we might become biotronium godlings and cycle through different custom input generated psyches, even through soft psyche graft
    And perhaps even have a wolphram alpha bioapp of no bloat to the mind and brain and body and spirit and soul
    Also came up with a wilphram alpha mod for transcendental mathematics today (but not developed)

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    sure: natural intelligence exists, natural phenomena can be copied artificially, therefore artificial intelligence is possible

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      you should re-read what you wrote because it makes no sense whatsoever.

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    the church-turing conjecture claims that any computation done by a human can be done on a turing-machine(general computers are turing machines), so you can extend that to intelligence, atleast the computation parts, as there are aspects like consciousness that go beyond computing.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      We may see a resolution to this question relatively soon as AI becomes more advanced. It would be incredibly hasty to say that AI is equivalent to a human brain. People dont even know where to begin with proving something like this.

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They cant cure fricking baldness (or acne) and they pretend that they can create brain. kek

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      There's nothing wrong with being bald anon

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    There is no such thing as true intelligence, there are just biological and artificial machines with different degrees of sophistication

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The real question is if consciousness is truly necessary for intelligence.

    Does it truly matter if your AI neighbor is conscious or not, when it is so sophisticated and indistinguishable from a human, and contributes more to society than you?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      OP did not mention consicousness. OP simply asked if intelligence is reducible to arithmetic. So far it seems like most answers are not really grappling with the real issue which is that intelligence can not be defined simply by symbolic manipulation and arithmetic

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why can't it?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          there is no arithmetic way to simulate a cell so why would it work for something much more complicated which is an emergent result of cellular metabolism and communication?

          you probably think it's just a matter of scale but the fact of the matter is there is no computer on the planet which can simulate even a single cell, let alone an entire brain

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The electrons and chemicals in your brain are only doing arithmetic and nothing more.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      So what kind of arithmetic is the electron doing? Can you spell it out

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        sure thing.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin_(physics)#Magnetic_moments
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromotive_force#Formal_definitions
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday%27s_law_of_induction#Mathematical_statement

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    What is this disgusting circuit board

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      AI

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Soul [math]neq[/math] symbol shuffling

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Turin test just means that you could not recognize if you're talking to a person or an ai if you were in another room. The current ai is real ai.

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    ai is as real of an intelligence as the intelligence you see within other people, or the intelligence you perceive within the voice in your head. similar to ai language models, your inner voice will spit out any coherent sounding response to the questions or problems you pose to it, even hallucinating knowledge or refusing to answer depending on its training. all the other elements of our experience can be modelled piecemeal within the ai, i.e. sight, hearing, taste, touch, desires, aversions, personality, etc. It will ultimately be just as inscrutible in the ai as it is within other people. the only real mystery is why anything appears to us at all

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    https://academic.oup.com/mind/article/LIX/236/433/986238

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Intelligence doesn't exist

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