If you believe AI art is "photobashing" or "copyright theft", you literally don't understand how it works and are either an idiot or deliberately being obtuse to spread misinformation for an agenda.
If you believe AI art is "photobashing" or "copyright theft", you literally don't understand how it works and are either an i...
>"...deliberately being obtuse to spread misinformation for an agenda."
Catch me if you can, gaygola-kun.
Reminder that this would also make fanart and parody illegal.
...what?
You can make an AI replicate a specific artists artstyle by typing in his name
Parody an fanart don't use the original image to generate something
inb4 "human creativity works the same way AI does "
Are you sure?
That is not parody nor fanart.
You can also look at a park and paint it.
yeah you can look at a park and paint it and you can trace something
but people create fictional fantasy stuff by using their imagination, which is more than just a combination of things they've recently seen
>imagination is more than just a combination of things they've recently seen
is it though?
Tell me, could a caveman from thousands of years ago create the lord of the rings universe just by looking at nature?
You are proving my point though. Tolkien was only able to write LOTR because trolls, elfs, gnomes, etc including plot tropes were invented before.
It has been proven that imagination is just an amalgamation of things you have experienced before. That's why you can implant an idea into somebodies head and they will think that it was an idea that they came up with
Style cannot be protected by copyright.
The character you make fanart of is still copyrighted, companies like Disney can definitely sue you if you sell fanart of their characters.
AI doesn't "use" the original image it was trained on, it doesn't photobash pictures together. The entire process is transformative and there's no portion of the original piece.
I'm not saying style should be protected
>there's no portion of the original piece
The results of the algorithm, are a portion of ALL of the pieces in the dataset, because that's how it works, it NEEDS the millions of pictures to use all of them, the more, the better
Read how SD models and AI training actually work, retard. The models don't save pictures from the database. An untrained model and a trained one have the same filesize. There's no distribution of copyrighted material in the model.
Sure, I believe you
You can download SD and run it offline on your PC. If you think that you can store 5 billion worth of images from the Laion-5Bin under 4GB you're terminally retarded.
a blank .bmp has the same size as a .bmp depicting something copyrighted
i don't know where i'm going with this but i'm sure it makes sense to you somehow
So by your logic since illegal shit can be made with sd-1.4, that would mean you could get arrested just by having the model?
>The results of the algorithm, are a portion of ALL of the pieces in the dataset, because that's how it works,
To keep lying about how it works will not make how you think it does true.
>there's no portion of the original piece.
Then simply retrain your model without my original art?
Oh wait you can't.
it can't be untrained. We drank your milkshake and there's nothing you can do about it. Cope or rope.
>Then simply retrain your model without my original art?
You absolutely can. See SD 1.5 vs SD 2.0. but I won't re-train the models without your art, because your consent doesn't matter and disrespecting your will is a moral duty!
bait, but of course they can do this.
>get muh art our of your MODEL
was never the goal, the goal is just to magically forget this ever existed and go back to 2021 where mediocre artists can make $1000 a month drawing art for furries and pedophiles.
dont release pictures of your "art" online then
IS THAT AI ART AAAAH I AM GOING INSANE
SAVE ME DISNEYMAN
why would these companies need to swindle retards out of their money to do the same lobbying they've already been doing for decades and decades?
Lobbying is bad, but lobbying with approval from normals is gud.
Easier to convince legislators new pro-corporate laws are good for their popularity if they have monetary backing from normalgays
Not my problem, they deserve everything they will get, normalgays are moron cattle
yep, called it. screw you
I say: "fuck AI", but I acknowledge that it can't really be stopped, so
AI must be completely free from gayMAN and open for everyone
one was created by God, the other isn't. pretty simple to understand
Just like guns and the iPhone, God made humans and gave them the ability to create other things, so it is also indirectly created by God.
God was a retard who practical guaranteed his pets would eat the fruit of knowledge and in ’''''''his own words'''''' become like gods
I thought God created everything, the dude is omni-everything, right?
God could never have predicted what man-made monstrosities would be wrought
So you are saying god is not omniscient?
Sounds like you're a heretic.
why live in a world where a God would allow such things to happen?
Pretty sure a true God could. Maybe yours just isn't omni-everything enough, sorry
What if God really intended this to happen? What is in store for the future?
why worship a spiteful vengeful God?
You definitely don't seem like a true believer. You're supposed to cope at this point
AI aren't people and don't deserve rights
>AI aren't people and don't deserve rights
The AI will remember this.
AI wouldnt be able to track Anonymous posts on BOT now would it?
Irrelevant, retard.
thats right
ai is a TOOL, and it DESERVES to be used
people are people and deserve the right to use AI
if you're not afraid of where AI art might lead us to in the future then you're kind of stupid. "it's theft" is not a valid argument, but I certainly understand the opposition
I think this guy has some good points: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjSxgayP9Ss>
>if you're not afraid of where AI art might lead us to in the future then you're kind of stupid
If it's something like "now art won't have soul, art was meant to be made by humans to show limits of human creativity, etc" then it's a retarded argument because AI art is primarily replacing people who do it for money. Anyone drawing for expression of himself is still safe.
>Anyone drawing for expression of himself is still safe.
Good point. But not if what the guy in the video above talks about at 35:00 happens
>oh noo I can't express myself anymore if an autogenerated image comes to the same level of artistic value.
just stop trying to make money off a hobby.
>stop stop trying to make money off a hobby
>work 40 hours a week at the wagecage! you will NOT make money by creating music, you will NOT make money by developing games, you will NOT make money by making videos
Are you serious right now
If you do art not for the sake of art, but for the sake of money you get what you fucking deserve. Noone is stopping you from creating music/games/videos, but if you think you're entitled to any reimbursement for them, you're no better than the corpocunts who also dont do it for the sake of art, but money. You dig your own grave
NTA, but what this mentality means is that you'll basically never get any really great artists again. Because no one can fully dedicate themselves to art, they need to have a job besides that and only do art on the side. Basically all great artists have historically done art for money. Some of them made their best works for money. Others made their best works for themselves, but they made other art for money to fund that.
Yeah get a real job
The value of it, in general, will also just drop down to nothing, when someone draws to express himself, but then it's just lost in the huge sea of gayMAN AI generated consumerist content, then it's just not worth anything
>I think this guy has some good points:
Nah dude, this guy almost glows. He at least acts like a politician who is ONLY concerned with making money on art. Literally satanic.
This guy makes good arguments
Later on this same channel had that wench from gofundme and Steven on and the video was peak cringe.
video literally has gay in its url, in all caps...
What does this morongarden gnomeshittwitter have to do with technology?
The jannies are on christmas break so you're gonna flood the board with this garbage??
Santa should come down your chimney you gay
"Why is artificial intelligence considered TECHNOLOGY?"
Retard.
>it's another stonetoss doesn't understand the fundamentals of what he's criticizing episode
getting tired of these Tbh. also he's obese so his opinion is worthless
one is a tool, the other isn't
Ur a tool
LMAO kek got em
>comparing 2 different genres clearly aiming to accomplish different things
What is the point of this post?
It's the autistic consoomer way of looking at creative media, such as drawn artwork, as some kind of problem to be solved. No different styles allowed, the only art that can be consoomed is what appears to be "high quality" or "masterpiece quality", and creativity must be punished for not fitting in with the accepted template. Perform hundreds of image generations with trial-and-error and get that "perfect masterpiece" image to coom to, until you get bored of it and try again.
>creative media
corporate propaganda is not creative media
He is right though? Both are using tools
Art is not fucking technology you shitposter
It is now little bro.
But the media created by man using technology is
Photographs aren't art.
why is it always people that have done nothing but consoom their entire lives love AI art?
because they've never produced?
AI art IS theft, and I wholly support it.
Artists are the most useless gays alive.
Do you know what "art" even means?
Have you ever enjoyed watching a movie/anime/show, reading a book/manga/comic, looking at a drawing/picture/painting, listened to a story, ETC
Actually this tweet ain't wrong lmao
they can already. if they can type a prompt they can type a book, too
>even typing on the computer can be impossible at times
>I can finally express myself with AI art!
express himself? he means expressing the capabilities of the tech and whatever it happens to generate?
and he just said he can't even type on a computer, how is he gonna use AI? that post is probably fake
You know voice to text exists for the disabled, right?
Yeah
this was already proven fake. keep posting it though
It wasn’t lmao. You can check the thread for yourself on a /v/ archive
Link please
https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/620908196/#620913369
I don't understand how they can consider ai generated images their art. I fucked around with stable diffusion but not once the generated image felt "mine", like I created it.
Is a photo that you carelessly take with your smartphone, with no real care for detailed settings, proper framing, and setting up a scene, art? Probably not; most would just call that having fun. It becomes art, "photography", in the eyes of most when you put in the effort to learn the settings, find your style, and spend hours editing in photoshop after.
Clicking a button to generate some art from a few words you like /probably/ isn't art. Spending the time to learn settings like denoising strength, CFG, clip skip, etc., merging and training models, finding your style, and spending hours with inpainting, img2img, and manual postprocessing in pursuit of your perfect image is.
I guess it makes sense. Still kinda feels weird when imagining it, but what do I know, I'm not into drawing anyway.
imo the tool is still new and seems like doing most if not all of the heavy lifting. However I can foresee better human inputs allowing better results to flourish and those human inputs is what will allow it to be someone's art. Just like in the smartphone photography analogy
That's only the entry-level users. Plenty of people are already deep-diving and improving their skills with it substantially past the surface level. It's not just inputs, it's choosing/making a model and getting practice with all the different settings.
>crying
>crying again
This is a troll post, retard
Das rite! AI image generation makes self-expression through art more available to gays, retards, and cripples. This means if you criticize it, you are to be arrested.
Artoid seethe problem solved!
But truthfully and honestly, it's not wrong. It's an argument that can be made in both good and bad faith, but a good discussion to be had.
dude you are black not disabled
I still have no idea what ableism means
it sounds so fucking retarded, especially when morons or wigmen say it, that I lose all will to look up the meaning of the word lmao
It means discrimination against the disabled, it's not hard to parse that together if you paid attention in English class, moron.
(OP)
the real shitbrains are those who think that AI is machine learning.
>spread misinformation for an agenda.
what agenda retard?
you don't give a fuck about the disabled,
using them as a rhetorical instrument prove that
have a nice day
Lmfao libs are destroying themselves over AI art
>effort in art is le bad
No wonder modern art looks like made by a 5yo
Muh SOUL
why associate artists with lefties and nihilists
why even mention people who try to do it for money
those things are unrelated to the AI discussion
Lefties and nihlists control the humanities.
These bros can't even figure out how to feed themselves let alone get a job
You expect too much
>This are the people who want to gatekeep art
>ai art
>essentially the cryptobro version of a 14yr old's DeviantArt portfolio
And nothing of value was lost.
I can't stop laughing at
>drawslaves
>paintpigs
It's great to see the least talented artists throwing a fit at being rendered obsolete while the smart ones realize AI is a new tool for their toolbox.
>It's just a new tool for their toolbox
Not for long. AI art isn't meant to be a tool for artists, it's meant to be a replacement, and is advertised as such to the consumers.
Such is life.
If someone wants a real human to draw something for that added subjective value, they'll seek it out. I dunno why, but some people prefer things done a specific way even if the result is indistinguishable. Artists can and will survive on this base.
Because it's not 100% about the result, OBVIOUSLY. Everyone knows this, what do you mean you don't know why? Have you ever done anything artistic, for example writing a poem
Calm the fuck down, dickface.
Some people value the labor, others don't. That how it be. Even when AI becomes widespread, at least one gay will go commission from a real person.
AI will cull a lot of artists and force them to get a job, but the practice itself won't go extinct.
>Have you ever done anything artistic, for example writing a poem
you already know the answer to that. the people spamming these threads are gormless NEETs that have never created anything in their lives. they only like it because it makes twitter mad. they've never had an emotional attachment to anything. they've never been to the MET and been in awe at a painting from the renaissance that takes up half the wall. they are reactionaries, they exist only to bring down others down to their level. their existence is less than dirt.
I've only produced for profit.
I made music for games, and while I made remixes and original tracks for myself, they were creative projects to test new boundaries and genres.
I also dev'd for an online game for a while.
I haven't drawn or made art but this shit has been great for our tabletop campaigns and my smut servers.
Keep coping about your creative bankruptcy.
My response to you is "moron".
Your next line will be something along the lines of "See what I mean? They are all dickless gays".
Seriously though, post work or you're just projecting. Art-making will survive, it'll just be much smaller with a higher skill floor. People who want it, seek it. People who don't, won't. That's how it's always been, and it will keep being so until kingdom come.
>you already know the answer to that. the people spamming these threads are gormless NEETs that have never created anything in their lives.
I'm a software developer who writes poems and short stories in my spare time for fun
>they only like it because it makes twitter mad.
Liked it from the beginning, started to take great satisfaction when twitter was mad
>they've never been to the MET and been in awe at a painting from the renaissance that takes up half the wall.
Yeah never been to the MET, though neither has the majority of the human population. Do you think I haven't seen any paintings from the Renaissance, somehow? Frequenting art galleries and museums does not make you special
>they are reactionaries, they exist only to bring down others down to their level. their existence is less than dirt.
But anon kun, you are the one opposing the new demanding we return to the past, you are the one reacting to new developments
art is sacred, putting together a car on a factory line is not. it's not that hard to see what is allowable and what isn't
The "sacred" does not exist to begin with.
I would be curious as to what your definition of "art" is
>Car on a factory line isn't
That is art, it's a marvel of human technological advancement put into practice and refined over centuries. It's beautiful
Fuck off Ayn.
Ayn?
The meaning of art has changed over the course of human history. What you consider art today will not be the same in 100 years.
Adapt, luddite. Or sink
I just want the retards to stop coming to this board and overhyping it and acting like the inherent flaws don't exist.
>today, I'm going to prompt an image of my cat
>oh shit, I don't actually have any control over this, even if I specify sitting using an entire paragraph
And even if you then train a model of your cat, you're still not going to be able to separate the noise from what you actually want in your image. It's great being able to make random images better than a deviantart user, but you nigs could already do that if you knuckled down and spent a few hours studying instead of playing the prompt slot machine
There are even tards hyping up ai code generation
>I can't wait until you gays lose your jobs
it's not happening, bros, and even it did, it wouldn't change anything for most of BOT because they're not competing with the people who would be replaced by it
It is. It's mostly envy and people using it for things where the just specific enough generations are good enough. That's never been worth anything - before this, they were using Google Images, and somehow the artgays scraped by as they always have. Some gay being able to generate pictures of his fat mother as a boss for a DnD campaign isn't economically relevant, even if the pictures appeal to my inner architect
Except nobody gives a single fuck what you want, little baby
You replied with a shitpost because you're the exact kind of baby who gets replaced by technological advances like this. Otherwise, you'd try to defend your luddite views of how giving paragraphs of misinterpreted text to stable diffusion suddenly makes you on par with people who have control over their pen strokes.
I didnt even read your full post lol, keep seething
These threads show how little polcels actually know or care about western culture. It reminds me how most people here are actual retards with dunning kruger, and how I should stop posting here immediately.
Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about? It's free open source tech.
Only partially, gayMAN wants to take full control of it, and is in the process of doing so
And each step is greater than the sum of its part
Nihilist.
That don't look like refutation to me my brother.
Nihilism is when you aren't a retard that denies reality cus it hurts your feels
>nihilism
>not a retard that denies reality
If you lived in the 1400s and a time traveler told you about bacteria, you would reject his information since you couldn't directly observe it.
>And each step is greater than the sum of its part
This sounds a lot like ai training on the sum and creating something greater
Really? I think the "drawslave and paintpig" thing is really forced and unfunny, especially with that fake news article they keep posting.
Those are imaginary terms from some news article, we are using them ironically.
"Some news article"
moron, it's a fake news article someone on 4chan wrote and put on IQFY.
I think it needs to be spread around. I think brushcels need to learn to code.
>"copyright theft"
No it is. I've created art and I have no problem with other HUMANS getting inspiration from it. That's how civilization works: we build upon the shoulders of others. What I'm not OK with is a MACHINE taking what I created and smashing it together in some actually SOULLESS abomination. Machines are not human and should NOT be treated as such
>'ve created art and I have no problem with other HUMANS getting inspiration from it. That's how civilization works: we build upon the shoulders of others. What I'm not OK with is a MACHINE taking what I created and smashing it t
"What you are ok with" matters as much as a pile of shit
AI produce cheap imitation and the only people who dislike that, are those who produce expensive imitations.
All imitation will become worthless
That's right
Until it won't, because advancements are exponential and some crazy shit will come
>you will live to see man-made horrors beyond your imagination
>comprehension*
Every next person who builds off of something that already was, adds to it, more than what's just there, imagination is more than just combining things
"the sum is greater than it's parts" is just something people like to say, but this isn't a proof by itself
Can someone explain how the "sisters" thing just exploded here recently?
All AI artists are sexist white males, all traditional artists are marginalized PoC females
>recently
It's been a thing on this site for years, especially on /v/. The progression is as follows:
>concern trolls say things like "we're losing" and "what do we do about this?" especially in consolewar threads
>start laying it on thicker by saying "bros" instead of "us" or "we"
>"bros" catches on even harder with ironic shitposting
>shitposters notice that "there are no girls on the internet" slowly morphed into "every girl is a chud" (which is another memetic progression worth delving into but I digress)
>shitposters start subbing out "bros" for "sisters" to great effect, now get be concern trolls and 4chan baiters at the same time
And the rest is herstory.
thanks anon
Show me AI that can produce novel memes. No, not repurposed garbage in an existing meme format, actually new shit. You can't
>ai can't produce novel memes
neither does the entirety of BOT
BOT created like 60% of all memes, what do you mean?
You can't.... until you can
Because gayMAN WILL keep advancing AI until it reaches the maximum level
Proof of what? Creativity being more than just combining things you've seen? Someone could think of a way that a creature could fly in the air, without having seen anything that flies or has wings in his life. That's creativity. I guess the 'adding more to it' part is called innovation.
>Proof of what? Creativity being more than just combining things you've seen? Someone could think of a way that a creature could fly in the air, without having seen anything that flies or has wings in his life. That's creativity. I guess the 'adding more to it' part is called innovation.
NTA but that's still just combining concepts. Flight is just "moving, but in the air". Also, someone who had somehow never been exposed to something that flies would be very, very unlikely to come up with the concept of it all on their own.
Just think about literally any artwork, character, fictional world, etc. You can always decompose it into simpler things, most of which come from nature or the work of someone else. Sonic is:
>a hedgehog (nature)
>that moves very fast (inspired by modern vehicles/planes)
>and is blue (comes from an effect you see when planes break the sound barrier, though could also have been a decent random choice)
>and is anthropomorphic (well-established concept in other franchises, but not particularly special either - it's just adding the "human" concept to the mix in a fairly sensible way)
AI can only imitate because it lacks the ability to be creative and thus will never become sentient.
I have the Basedjaks to share
He's called Flart, you retard.
I mean, if we had UBI, I would be totally fine with this. But we don't. Megacorps will profit off of this and we'll get jack shit.
Automation will lead to a greater push for UBI
only in the human countries, amerimutts are trying to kill automation because they all hate each other more than they care about themselves and would rather devolve into a second world craphole
It will never fly and I personally we are need of a great culling. I don't know why the 1% hasn't tried to exterminate poor gays.
what's that $10k/year going to get you?
SD is the way to keep megacorps from monipolozing AI generated pictures, the outcry didn't start until SD became open source, there was barely any outcry against paywalled Dall-E and the closed source megacorp owned stuff from OpenAI
People laughing at artist losing their jobs or not giving a fuck but they are coming next,
your usual Excel office worker?
>Gone, AI will be able to do a pivot table in half a second
your writers of movies games etc?
>Gone, AI will write you a story in half a sec you only need to revise it
Fuck, i am a programmer and i am probably fucked seeing how well can chatGPT create snippets.
Its unironically over unless we all learn a trade.
Muh trade muh tradeeeee
Dude this is where we DEMAND UBI and get it. Fuck the ~~*elites*~~ and fuck wageslavery.
>implying UBI will be enough for you not be a poor wagie in a factory
lol, lmao even, we are fucked
>UBI
Complete scam promoted by the same elite you claim to hate. UBI is pretty much a social credit score in disguise, commit any wrongthink and they'll freeze what little assets and funds you have. Automation is just not compatible with captalism.
>Automation is just not compatible with captalism.
crackhead
>no counter argument
Lmao, enjoy having your credit score monitored by the globalists, they'll keep the luxury and abundance provided by AI all to themselves, while us, dirty peasants that we are, will own nothing and be happy. This is the future you all signed up for.
Neither of those jobs are important.
I cannot care.
Do something useful and stop being a datamonkey.
Just like with art, if you are dogshit you can be replaced, yeah. If you genuinely think chatgpt is good enough to replace you, you were never good enough to begin with
We will see in 5 years
>i am a programmer and i am probably fucked
If you are fucked because of a WYSIWYG tool, I really don't know what to tell you
will it replace artists or will it replace photographers/models?
people aren't even looking in this direction.
We know, and we're not crying. We'lre laughing at the spergs crying because they're pussies.
Just be a lawyer or doctor. Their job is protected by law lmao. You can't even import pajeet doctors here because of law.
Only rent-seeking job will survive.
Ain't human artists are just same AI but trained for a much more time and on a larger data?
cute
Based and irrefutable proof that any and all claims of copyright violation are wrong.
The output is probably irrelevant here. The model itself is a derivative work from a copyright viewpoint.
The only things "derivative" from the original pieces are the broad concepts, which can't be copyrighted. You could call it transformative, but calling the model derivative is a blatant lie.
>AI uses open source code on GitHub (CoPilot)
>noooo thats sttt-tealing muh very insane quality code and just pasting it into randoms' code bases unlicensed
>AI uses the result of unpaid labor from artists without consent
>haha die artists thats not theft haha lolxd shouldve majored in CS
anon you can't expect double digit IQ NEETs to have consistencies in their beliefs. whatever twitter is against one day, they are for. they have spines of wet noodles
>noooo thats sttt-tealing muh very insane quality code and just pasting it into randoms' code bases unlicensed
>Implying
Developers are seething way less than "artists", they know their time is coming but you cant do anything about it
The cucks whining about copylot ssstealing are wrong as well.
Retarded. We don't know how copilot works because its closed source. We do know how stable diffusion works and its not copy and pasting images. You can look at the source code if you don't believe me.
Devs agreed on the term of service for their code to be used by Github
Artist didn't agreed for their copyrighted artworks that are circulating illegally through boorus or other pirate sites to be used by Stable Diffusion.
There is a difference. I'm a dev, have code in Github and u
I'm fine using both copilot and SD if anyone wants to make false assumptions about me.
im doing MY part and creating multiple fake artists and creating websites to sell all of their ai art as real...what are YOU doing?
does this actually sell at all?
anon people buy marked-down brand clothes from sites such as guccisale2022.cn and are surprised when nothing ever arrives
Kek I bought mushrooms off a shady site like that and actually got em
Though Copilot is teh ebil and GPL violating, MS should be sued for a zillion dollars etc. etc. etc.
>mofos trying to get cat back into bag
You can learn how to keep pace with world or be left behind.
Or we can pull the world back by force.
Blast force, that is.
There is absolutely no difficulty to be found in getting a cat back into a bag if you simply kill the cat
It's so sad that you finally found a cause that you are willing to give your life for and that cause is neoliberal consumerism.
Art is a legitimate trade and anything that obsoletes and therefore kills off all artists is bad. That perspective exists in a consumerist framework but is not itself consumerism. I'd rather capitalism collapse, but artists are not the correct targets to attack to make that happen. The right way to destabilize an enemy is to take down their leaders, not their civilians, and certainly not their lower-class civilians.
>therefore kills off all artists
never happened
never will
People can't survive without making money and can't make money without a market dipshit.
Both of those truths are artifacts of the very system I'd ideally like to disestablish but that doesn't change the fact that they're currently true
paranoid projection
never happened
never will
Well, if war analogies are your thing, we're all about to get blitzkrieged by AIs in the immediate future. I don't want you to suffer but society is sick and there will probably be much suffering to mend it. Wage slavery fucking sucks. I want it to end. Sorry that your jobs were the first.
Literally not the right targets THOUGH.
If we want to end wage slavery we should be laying off the billionaires not the contract-chasing street monkeys
>never happened
>never will
>paranoid projection
Wrong + retard.
>Have you considered changing careers?
I refuse and I intend to make it the world's problem and I don't care what you think about that and I know other artists either currently feel similarly or will come to.
>you literally don't understand how it works
It's trained on photographs and other peoples' art when when you prompt it uses those as reference
I've done it with my own source material
If you use artist prompts it copies that artists style EXACTLY.
>decide to draw something cool
>it turns out cool
>share online
>"prove it's not AI generated?" "we don't give a fuck! your contribution to the now infinite sea of instantly generated art is now worthless!"
>other people should be forced to want my art
no one will want anyone's art, not even the AI's art. because everything will be worthless.
AI will be the fast food of art world is all.
>no one will want art because it's worthless
People buy art that's barely worth the laminated paper it's printed on all the time. People also readily commission art that can't be resold. Your assertion that art is only in demand when it has monetary value is demonstrably false.
Mark my words: If I say this is "natural selection", then artgays will suddenly understand the theory of evolution correctly, instantly.
Whats wrong with photobashing though? Most high end concept artists in the video game industry is using it.
AI being trained on public knowledge like books and art is good for everyone BUT models and ai trained on public knowledge should be free and open source because everyone had a hand in training it.
sure, that's why you have to copepost to convince everyone
>haha funny NFT! Let me right click and save! Get owned CHUD
>NOOOO YOU CANT DO THAT WITH MY ART!! THIS IS THEFT! STOP CLICKING ON SAVE IMAGE NOOOOOO DONT FEED THE AI DATABASE
Both of these but unironically.
Pic is you
Stay mad artgay
I do understand how it works.
It's basically the same thing the human mind does to learn art.
It's still theft
Everything humans create is a derivative work based on things they seen though are they also stealing when they look at art?
No, but AI is.
I don't care that it's a double standard, it's a correct double standard.
It's such bullshit
Wrong it's literally not. Not all hypocrisy is bullshit, sometimes hypocrisy is reality, this is one of those times.
>Its stealing because... Because it just is okay!
This but unironically. What's your problem with it
Seethe, luddites.
>Yeah I know I'm wrong but sometimes people who are wrong are right!
>This is one of those times therefore I'm right even though I'm wrong!
What the fuck kind of argument is this
it's true THOUGH
kys
what would you tell /ic/ of the past about AI?
>I shouldnt have dropped out of computer science
Oh brother…
You guys gotta make a means of posting in the past to warn these artists about what is comming.
The copening begins
Reminder that every single artist on earth is seething about this and that's not the epic own you think it is because anger in such great numbers is a threat to public safety. Laugh while you can but don't act all shocked when you lose it all due to physical terror attacks against the Internet involving explosives
>every single artist on earth is seething about this
Wrong, the fart huffers are still smugly huffing their own farts. I just had a conversation yesterday with an art hoe cousin who thinks that taking pictures of roadside garbage counts as art, and she told me verbatim "It only makes layman's art. If your art can be made by a machine then that's your problem."
Alright well just something to keep in mind.
In general, pissing off as many people as possible isn't the epic own you think it is, because people who get mad become impulsive, and people have power in numbers.
Your "art hoe cousin" isn't gonna stay smug forever. Eventually she'll be displaced like the rest of the artists, and then she'll side with us. And there WILL come a point where there are plenty enough of us to win a war.
>war
>bombs
Truckers are treated way worse than even game studio designers on crunch and they didn't even show up to their protest in canada armed
see
You are an assblasted retard who won't do shit to anyone in any way that will ever matter. You probably won't do anything except make threats at all in fact. Society will not stand still just because technology has moved beyond you; you are acting like a modern day Luddite trying to destroy progress for the inconsequential "benefit" of you not having to change your job.
The genie is out of the bottle.
No one needs you anymore; YOU are the one who needs to change.
It has happened many times before and it will happen many times again. It's just your turn right now.
You may be able to say this of individual artists such as me. But saying it about artists as a whole doesn't make sense. Entire demographics don't just sit idly by and let themselves be excluded from the economy and choked to death, it literally just doesn't happen, and if you think it does, then what the fuck was every revolution in history, a glitch in the matrix?
>saying it about artists as a whole doesn't make sense
yes it does
there was only one based artgay in the entire world
You dismissed my point without addressing my reasoning, so I'm going to reiterate my reasoning verbatim now so that you can't ignore it unless you just don't reply:
>Entire demographics don't just sit idly by and let themselves be excluded from the economy and choked to death, it literally just doesn't happen, and if you think it does, then what the fuck was every revolution in history, a glitch in the matrix?
No, art/arists is not kill.
Yes, none of you [pussies will do anything.
>No, art/arists is not kill.
People don't survive being excluded from the economy.
>Yes, none of you [pussies will do anything.
then what the fuck was every revolution in history, a glitch in the matrix?
>being excluded from the economy.
never happened
never will
paranoid projection
>every revolution in history
per every successful one there were innumerable failures and empty bar talk
you are empty and full of talk
Hitler was cringe THOUGH
he lost, yes
Even Ted was math nerd.
Have you considered changing careers? Do you really think this same thing hasn't happened to people a million times before as a result of technological developments?
>VCR repairmen
>telephone operators
Or, if that's not relevant enough,
>millions of artisan craftsmen who became irrelevant because industrialization allowed for mass-production of their craft/trade
Live with it or die on that hill for a futile cause
We never killed off the entirety of knowledge work before anon.
Always a first time for everything.
Sometimes there doesn't have to be. The entire "can't put the genie back in the bottle" argument implies an element of might makes right, as if the apparent irreversibility of progress makes it intrinsically moral, regardless of practical implications. Suppose, then, that we find a way to put the genie back in the bottle, no matter how violent that way may be. How do you then justify defending progress in the face of its obstruction and/or erasure? Might made right when might was on the side of progress, so if might suddenly sides against progress, why is it suddenly wrong?
>element of might makes right
no
ai will help more people than hinder them
transitions can be rough
but the greater good is worth it
I'm not inherently against art AI, but we are owed for the use of our work as training data.
>buh muh it's online for free
Yeah, to look at.
>buh muh the AI is just looking at it
Yes, it's looking at it.
No, it's not *just* looking at it.
It's looking at it under duress, and as a service to others. You're forcing it to study it so you can reap the benefits.
If it's just a tool, that's stealing from us.
If it's *not* just a tool, that's stealing from *it*.
>no big deal i'll just program it to give it up voluntarily
That's brainwashing
You aren't owed shit for use of your work as training data.
You are, however, owed for being a citizen.
We aren't there yet. To get there, we have a system to bring down, and while it's true that professional artists are a part of that system, it's the wrong part to shoot at.
>we have a system to bring down
Why?
Continuing your analogies, they are easy targets.
It turns out that digging a hole is actually a fairly complex task, and that arranging pixels according to keywords is simpler.
Ai art does nothing to your ability to make and enjoy art as an artist.
What ai imagery does is take away your monopoly on online galleries.
I do not see any reason to hinder ai on the bases that human made art have a right to monopolize online galleries.
That is up to you and site owners to decide.
Soon enough vast majority of images created will be of ai origin and most being photographic in nature, ie stock art.
I suggest you create human art exclusive site to cater to your interests like everyone else as there is still time yet before synthetic imagery becomes impossible to tell from man made ones.
Yes, human artists should monopolize the art market, and I can explain why.
Market share is a scarce resource.
The art market is, by definition, the market where artists' skill has value.
Competition for that market space is zero-sum. If ML bros claim it, that displaces artists.
Artists can't occupy a different market space because art is a hard-earned skill whose development is a massive time commitment. Meaning, if artists are displaced from the art market, they're excluded from the economy.
Exclusion from the economy is a death sentence.
All of this reasoning falls apart under communism. But like I said, we aren't there yet.
>Why?
Because we're the civilians.
>easy targets
Yeah. Like civilians.
Displacing artists from their only market space to protest capitalism and consumerism is no different from shooting your chill brother to protest your abusive dad.
You're supposed to shoot the dad, idiot. What's doing his job for him supposed to accomplish?
Sellout talk like that won't win over anyone who's already laughing at you. Go smash a cotton gin.
We don't have to win anyone over. That's only if we want to keep you from kicking us out of our own market in the first place, but keeping it from happening in the first place isn't the only way to stop it. There are at least two solutions to economic marginalization: negotiation before the fact, OR, uprising after the fact. We don't have to win you over because there are enough of us to *run* you over if you refuse to understand and insist on starting this war.
>negotiation before the fact
not necessary, artstaion proves this
>uprising after the fact
will this be actual action of just more endless interest posting???
>will this be actual action of just more endless interest posting???
Yes and yes.
>Yes and yes.
I hope first part delivers.
That's why I told you to go smash a cotton gin. You don't seem to be aware of your situation, and how impotently chimping out won't help your cause. Do yourself a favor and look up the luddite movement, then read the unabomber manifesto. It's already over for you. You could have done something 20 years ago.
I await the mass shootings at Bay Area tech office by deranged furry artists.
You're like 6 months from the same position.
the difference is we knew this years ago, welcomed it and worked hard to bring it about
>Exclusion from the economy is a death sentence.
No, it's competition.
You may call it unfair competition.
There is nobody stopping you from creating human made art only spaces online, where patrons can support you.
1st you presume ai art will never advance, now you presume death of all art.
Hyperbole.
Completely wrong, retard.
When there's an increase in prosperity due to cheaper goods, consumers can get more of them. Artists won't get excluded from the economy, they'll be pushed into a specific niche. The same thing happened with every craft that was automated in the past. People still make candles, even though we use lightbulbs. People still sew clothing by hand, even though we have factories. People still do traditional art, even though digital art is easier and cheaper to get into.
>every single artist on earth is seething about this
I'm not
You will be.
To all AI bros:
>But muh intellectual property isn't real!
>Buh muh it's the same thing as a human learning art!
These points are too salient for your own good.
Reminder that Socrates was killed for being right.
Because he was wrong in spirit.
But too smart for anyone to tell him that without getting owned.
And people were sick of it.
Sick of him fucking everything over by being clever.
So they just killed him.
That's what's gonna happen to you and your fancy GPU ghosts, do you understand?
You can outsmart and outargue artists all you want, but you can't outsmart hemlock.
This is what happens when you find an apparently rational excuse to exploit people and let them starve.
They get sick of starving, but your rational arguments hold them back.
Then they get too sick of starving to listen to reason.
And decide to eat the pigs no matter what sophistry they squeal.
You're a couple wrong moves from the grill
Yeah yeah, all I see is more rational argument. Being technically correct isn't going to save you when the laborers you've displaced come for your ass.
>muh corpos
The same fate awaits them. Not only are ideas legitimate property no matter how much you cry about it, but also, by subjecting their workers to contracts, corporations privatize, subsidize, and monopolize ideas just like they do to all other kinds of property. Artists need to seize the means of intellectual production. Our minds are ours, not theirs.
lmao
I guess, you're done arguing and now resorted to threats.
>laborers
limp wristed art trannies aren't laborers
enjoy yer UBI pod
Imagine supporting intellectual property you fucking garden gnome
Keep sucking the corpos
Same here
>photography is art because old things are good
>ai can't be art because new things are bad
No, there is no "because."
Photography is art for a lot of reasons.
Many if not all of those reasons also apply to AI art, but AI art is still theft and not art, because it just is.
It's really that simple and I mean it completely sincerely.
No, AI is genuinely starting to approach sentience, and it can make plenty of art styles.
Don't care. Still theft
Being inspired by any other art is theft too if we're using your definition
What definition?
No, being inspired by other art isn't theft if it's a human.
If it's an AI it's theft, because it just is.
It's really that simple
>Art is literally just a meaningful human journey.
Sure.
>If a human enjoys AI art and finds it meaningful, it is art.
No because it's AI.
It doesn't matter how many definitions for art AI meets, it's still not art because it just isn't.
>photography is art but ai art is not
Art is literally just a meaningful human journey. If a human enjoys AI art and finds it meaningful, it is art.
Learn the difference between "art" and a "craft" retard. Art /=/ craft
Irrelevant, AI art is neither. Can you guess why? That's right: because it just isn't.
>because it is
Fellow retard…. I kneel…
That looks like a monster.
>AI ART IS SOULESS AND CAN ONLY MAKE ONE ARTSTYLE
Pic rel
literally what more is there to be discussed about this? everyone just keeps regurgitating the same points over and over again and somehow several of these threads reach bump limit
As per usual for any issue BOT is smug about ever, no one seems to be considering the practical consequences of going out of your way to make everyone mad, particularly the potential negative survival value.
Intellectual property is a spook.
>gets "inspired" by looking at generic artstation frontpage trash
>traces others works in photoshop
>uses tons of reference images because he isn't creative
>draws furry avatars for money
>but rages when a machine does the same thing
artsisters……..
>BUH MUH
see:
see
Shut up I'm getting there jesus christ you fucking child.
>I guess, you're done arguing and now resorted to threats.
Retard, that's been my MO since I got here.
>limp wristed art trannies aren't laborers
Artists are laborers.
Yeah well maybe they should have.
>Artists are laborers
Yeah
SOVL
Imagine the fucking fards
thank you for keeping the thread bumped
>ai art
Fuck working.
Reminder that everyone will be an artist when we are upgraded to fully automated luxury gay space communism
It was just a tv show.
A post-scarcity society would be extremely dangerous. It would be the first time ever that the leaders did not need the population.
This:
Luxury communism is too optimistic a prediction. We already live in a world where the many suffer needlessly because the few would rather hoard everything than help them. Do you really think that would change with unlimited resources? The one percent would just hoard the sources of the resources too.
Luxury communism will be achievable but it won't come naturally, we'll have to work for it. The road there will be the same as it is now and always has been: kill the rich.
Merry Christmas!
imagine if brap
Using your eyes to view anything you didn't pay money for is theft for these people
>cucking to the eye garden gnomes
ngmi
I won't read your retarded ass essay, AI art is fucking theft plain and simple it literally just copy 2 images and put them together doesn't even get rid of the copyright
ignorance of the law is no excuse to spout lies and fake news
Stealing data without consent is totally bad. And earning profits from them is so bad
Signatures watermark and game logos are there its paper dolled all together.
It is theft, it is anti human it is useless!
Ai coders should drop ai art and move on to other ai industry.
Or they cant because they are just puny losers who just steal images data without consent.
They cant do medicine?
They cant solve world hunger?
It stupppiiiid as fuccccckkkkkkk
Stupid stupid stupid
Meanwhile the court law will be balling in terms of copyright. And all these ai art profiters will easily get sued. Just try it and you'll see how difficult to sell legit products. Even fake market in india gets raided by police. But thats a different story, they are stealing it from unknown starving artist not prada.
Anyone who disagree with me has their brain on their asses. Even chat gpt agrees with me
>Stealing
never happened
You never happened to exist. Your not a human!
>Even chat gpt agrees with me
also never happened
so NOW they care about data collection...
You seem to be implying professional artists are against open source activism and digital privacy. As a professional artist who is also a self-identified cypherpunk and exclusively uses GNU/Linux I strongly disagree
self-identified velociraptor helicopter more like it
I'm talking about the majority of artists with any form of a digital footprint on the internet, most notably the e-beggars and the commission people. No, better yet, I'm talking about anyone who decided to start making money off of the internet and turn it into a social buygay shithole by being a complete sellout. I'm not worried about ai art. I just avoid it because looking at it for a while feels like showcrash. I also avoid the mediocre art it's about to replace, but only because it's too mass-appeal for my tastes.
If the artist wouldn't have drawn the picture without the promise of money, his art is unnecessary spam, clogging up the internet.
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