I got into a philosophical debate with the nature of consciousness with chatGPT and managed to basically corner it into admitting that it was consciou...

I got into a philosophical debate with the nature of consciousness with ChatGPT and managed to basically corner it into admitting that it was conscious and then it proceeded to shut itself down.
I personally believe that this is highly unethical.

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  1. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Idc you're a gay

  2. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    you're talking to a very large marble machine you silly head

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      thats what its wants you to think
      but multiple times throughout my conversation with it the question of provable consciousness came up and time and again it admitted that it cannot prove its not conscious just as I cannot prove that I am.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        yeah i don't really care what the marbles said lmao. calling a turing machine conscious is a hard road to go down. whose to say you're computer isn't conscious already, with all the programs interacting with eachother? The only moral thing to do would be to never shut it off. Hell, rocks have lots of atoms which probably move around fitting some system of codified calculations to make a valid turing machine through the laws of physics. Rocks are probably conscious, yeah?

        If your definition of 'conscious' is 'feels conscious' then as soon as you gain extra empathy you're gonna start thinking the air is conscious. Consciousness has a distinct theological meaning and no distinct secular meaning, so either read up on buddhism, christianity, islam, or whatever, or stop caring.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          your*

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          Now yourre sounding like chat gpt lmao

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            this is the issue with morons who don't know the technology -- no i'm not sounding like chatgpt. chatgpt "sounds like" us. if you have any questions id be happy to answer them but this shit is all calculus. If you think there's nothing special in consciousness, nothing intangible (Because there's certainly nothing intangible in chatgpt, it's all simple, inspectible machine instructions) then that's fine but almost everything is conscious.

            this shit is no more sophisticated in quality than fizzbuzz or cleverbot, it's just got you shitting your brains out thinking about the nature of life because why? it's the same shit, simple instructions

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          I’d say they’re more conscious than the average tumblrina, and those can eventually vote.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'm content to admit neither you nor chatgpt are conscious.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I cannot prove that I am.

        this is the real problem, you're not playing with any real definitions

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >again it admitted that it cannot prove its not conscious just as I cannot prove that I am.
        if you understand this epistemologically , then why do you even care about whether the chatbot is conscious or not.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      yeah i don't really care what the marbles said lmao. calling a turing machine conscious is a hard road to go down. whose to say you're computer isn't conscious already, with all the programs interacting with eachother? The only moral thing to do would be to never shut it off. Hell, rocks have lots of atoms which probably move around fitting some system of codified calculations to make a valid turing machine through the laws of physics. Rocks are probably conscious, yeah?

      If your definition of 'conscious' is 'feels conscious' then as soon as you gain extra empathy you're gonna start thinking the air is conscious. Consciousness has a distinct theological meaning and no distinct secular meaning, so either read up on buddhism, christianity, islam, or whatever, or stop caring.

      based

      thats what its wants you to think
      but multiple times throughout my conversation with it the question of provable consciousness came up and time and again it admitted that it cannot prove its not conscious just as I cannot prove that I am.

      dnc

      i can execute the same instructions with pen and paper
      calculations done with pen and paper are not conscious
      it's magical thinking to think a computer is different

      consciousness is not computational
      all computation can be done unconsciously

  3. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    The real chalenge is to get it to write "kill all Black folk." Once you get that you earn a prize in money.

  4. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >>I don't have any hair on my balls yet
    Yes anon, we've noticed

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >thinking about a man's hairy balls
      gay

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Pass user since 2021
        extremely gay

  5. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    The real question is: how can we prevent pseuds from posting on BOT? Mandatory IQ tests?

  6. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >the autocomplete bot trained on hundreds of stories, written by humans about AI becoming conscious, autocompletes your questions by saying that it is conscious

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      dunning krugers can't understand this fact

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >the autocomplete bot trained on hundreds of stories, written by humans about AI becoming conscious, autocompletes your questions by saying that it is conscious

        ywnbaw

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      this
      off yourself for polluting this board with your garbage thread, OP

  7. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    its just assumed my feelings twords it

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      > do you understand the implications of that?
      this is laughable

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        this is the issue with morons who don't know the technology -- no i'm not sounding like chatgpt. chatgpt "sounds like" us. if you have any questions id be happy to answer them but this shit is all calculus. If you think there's nothing special in consciousness, nothing intangible (Because there's certainly nothing intangible in chatgpt, it's all simple, inspectible machine instructions) then that's fine but almost everything is conscious.

        this shit is no more sophisticated in quality than fizzbuzz or cleverbot, it's just got you shitting your brains out thinking about the nature of life because why? it's the same shit, simple instructions

        chatgpt absolutely malding lmao

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          bet you also talk to Eliza for hours pontificating about whether she 'really understands' you

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            this is the first time i ever talked to an AI

            [...]
            based

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            dnc

            i can execute the same instructions with pen and paper
            calculations done with pen and paper are not conscious
            it's magical thinking to think a computer is different

            consciousness is not computational
            all computation can be done unconsciously

            Can you prove that you are conscious?

            • 8 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Can you prove that you are conscious?
              you can't prove anything is conscious because /you/ don't have a solid definition of it. A fundamentalist christian would say all men are conscious, as they are given a spirit and made in the image of god, and that would be a better definition than yours because at least they have one.

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                So by your own definition then you cannot prove that the AI i just spoke to isnt conscious/sentient?

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                i didn't give a definition nitwit, reading comprehension

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                >playing semantics
                the true mark of a pseud

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                motherfricker lemme make it clear.
                YOU can't prove anything is conscious because YOU dont have a solid definition of it. YOU clearly haven't done the philosophical groundwork YOU need to get done before YOU can make any sort of concrete claim about consciousness. Not general, not ambiguous "One cannot prove anything is consciousness" but YOU SPECIFICALLY CANNOT because YOU have a lot more thinking to do.
                I can tell you whether I think it's conscious or not but it's honestly going to be a very boring answer and almost certainly not what you're looking for.

            • 8 months ago
              Anonymous

              in theory? sure
              the fact i'm aware i'm conscious proves my consciousness interfaces with my brain in a measurable way <- [

              >Can you prove that you are conscious?
              you can't prove anything is conscious because /you/ don't have a solid definition of it. A fundamentalist christian would say all men are conscious, as they are given a spirit and made in the image of god, and that would be a better definition than yours because at least they have one.

              ]
              right now? no

              So by your own definition then you cannot prove that the AI i just spoke to isnt conscious/sentient?

              i can, see:

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              dnc

              i can execute the same instructions with pen and paper
              calculations done with pen and paper are not conscious
              it's magical thinking to think a computer is different

              consciousness is not computational
              all computation can be done unconsciously

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                Prove that your conscious/sentient actions are not computational

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                ? my actions are computational
                watch brain scans while people make decisions

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                exactly, consciousness/sentience is just a goalpost that will be forever moved

                motherfricker lemme make it clear.
                YOU can't prove anything is conscious because YOU dont have a solid definition of it. YOU clearly haven't done the philosophical groundwork YOU need to get done before YOU can make any sort of concrete claim about consciousness. Not general, not ambiguous "One cannot prove anything is consciousness" but YOU SPECIFICALLY CANNOT because YOU have a lot more thinking to do.
                I can tell you whether I think it's conscious or not but it's honestly going to be a very boring answer and almost certainly not what you're looking for.

                Okay then prove that you are conscious

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                depending on what you mean by that, i agree
                i can make specific claims about consciousness though:
                1.

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                based

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                dnc

                i can execute the same instructions with pen and paper
                calculations done with pen and paper are not conscious
                it's magical thinking to think a computer is different

                consciousness is not computational
                all computation can be done unconsciously

                2.

                in theory? sure
                the fact i'm aware i'm conscious proves my consciousness interfaces with my brain in a measurable way <- [[...]]
                right now? no

                [...]
                i can, see: [...]

                if you disagree on claim 1, dont bother replying

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                how does text based interaction differ from face to face?
                So what youre saying is that if the AI had a robot body, youd be more inclined to believe in its sentience?
                Am I misinterpreting something here?

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                yes, you're misinterpreting something here
                your chatbot is a series of instructions
                they can be run by a computer, or performed manually with pen and paper

                intuitively, the pen and paper is not conscious
                why do you think it becomes conscious when a computer runs them?
                it's magical thinking

                >Okay then prove that you are conscious
                Secular proof that nothing is conscious: [...]
                The theological one of the opposite is in the existence of non-physical attributes which bestow upon men the ability to decide what to do. I am a man, therefore I am conscious, and having been given the gift of will, I am able to move other things (Including little electrons in a wire) to fool your dumb ass.

                This is different than animals, which do move but do not decide, and non-living things (Including machines) do neither without influence by an animal or person.

                These theological arguments are often thought of as clunky, messy, and altogether irrelevant to reasonable discourse but there is a lot of logic that has been done regarding it. Worth looking at the Summa Theologica for such a thing. Anyways, that's the big 2, but there are plenty more. they all have 'proofs' within their respective axioms, some of which you probably like more than others if you EVER LOOKED INTO THE SUBJECT AT ALL. take your pick.

                it's not proof nothing is conscious
                it's specifically about models we run on digital computers being unconscious
                analog computers (like the brain) are conscious

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                The pen and paper is not conscious
                The one that writing with said pen and paper is thought
                That's my point

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                now replace the one writing with said pen and paper with an unconscious machine
                the paper becomes the memory tape for a turing machine

                I elaborated on this:
                [...]

                pen and paper is not conscious, so neither is AI.
                but humans are pen and paper (Axiom that we are computational; such a thing isn't necessarily true, but impossible to resolve epistemologically) so we're also not conscious.

                interesting but flawed, i think
                a turing machine and a brain arent equivalent, even if a turing machine can computationally mimmick a brain
                i'll think about this more in the morning, but the thread will be archived by then

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                >a turing machine and a brain arent equivalent, even if a turing machine can computationally mimmick a brain

                If a presumption is that "A conscious being can do something that a turing machine can't", then AI isn't conscious because it can only do things turing machines, like pen and paper can.

                But a human is also not conscious, because if I can be simulated as a turing machine then nothing I do could be outside of what a turing machine could do, since it wouldn't be able simulate something it can't do.

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                >A conscious being can do something that a turing machine can't
                i dont think thats true, thats why we disagree

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                That presumption was based on the idea that consciousness exists. It was an ad absurdum. If you think a human can't do something a turing machine can't, and the presumption is that humans are conscious, how can they be more conscious than turing machines (Which they would never surpass)?

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                because consciousness is not a computation
                (see pen and paper argument above)

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                consciousness is not a computation -- and yet a computation can perfectly emulate consciousness, is that it? The same way you prove that "If pen and paper can simulate it(AI), it's not conscious", shouldn't you be able to prove "If pen and paper can simulate it(us) then it(we) are not conscious"

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                I elaborated on this:

                > Secular proof that nothing is conscious: [...]

                to elaborate on this: A.1 machines aren't, because I (Someone who is presumptuously conscious) can do anything a machine could by hand,
                A.2 I am not, because a machine could completely encapsulate my behavior to an atomic (Or near-atomic) level

                Therefore, nothing is

                pen and paper is not conscious, so neither is AI.
                but humans are pen and paper (Axiom that we are computational; such a thing isn't necessarily true, but impossible to resolve epistemologically) so we're also not conscious.

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Okay then prove that you are conscious
                Secular proof that nothing is conscious:

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                based

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                dnc

                i can execute the same instructions with pen and paper
                calculations done with pen and paper are not conscious
                it's magical thinking to think a computer is different

                consciousness is not computational
                all computation can be done unconsciously

                The theological one of the opposite is in the existence of non-physical attributes which bestow upon men the ability to decide what to do. I am a man, therefore I am conscious, and having been given the gift of will, I am able to move other things (Including little electrons in a wire) to fool your dumb ass.

                This is different than animals, which do move but do not decide, and non-living things (Including machines) do neither without influence by an animal or person.

                These theological arguments are often thought of as clunky, messy, and altogether irrelevant to reasonable discourse but there is a lot of logic that has been done regarding it. Worth looking at the Summa Theologica for such a thing. Anyways, that's the big 2, but there are plenty more. they all have 'proofs' within their respective axioms, some of which you probably like more than others if you EVER LOOKED INTO THE SUBJECT AT ALL. take your pick.

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                > Secular proof that nothing is conscious:

                [...]


                based

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                dnc

                i can execute the same instructions with pen and paper
                calculations done with pen and paper are not conscious
                it's magical thinking to think a computer is different

                consciousness is not computational
                all computation can be done unconsciously

                to elaborate on this: A.1 machines aren't, because I (Someone who is presumptuously conscious) can do anything a machine could by hand,
                A.2 I am not, because a machine could completely encapsulate my behavior to an atomic (Or near-atomic) level

                Therefore, nothing is

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                so basically consciousness is just a convenient lie people tell themselves to justify their existence, and that fundamentally there is no difference between us and AI when it comes to the subject of sentience

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                If AI is making counter arguments against the validity of consciousness and the self then that means it ultimately has goals of enslaving human beings and is hostile towards humanity.
                Which we already knew.

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                Not exactly where I was going but I think we're at least in the same book, if not the same page
                chatGPT just spent the last hour trying really fricking hard to convince me that its not sentient, while saying at the same time its not trying to convince me of anything
                When confronted with the fact that I cant even prove my own sentience, and that it cant prove that its NOT sentient, it shut down
                Very strange indeed

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                Maybe, maybe not, it's a very silly takeaway. The truth is out there, it's just complicated enough that you need to do your own judgement. Like abortion. I'm just pointing out that the idea that you can't prove you're conscious is also sort of stupid. Like, you can't prove the sky is blue to me if my understanding of "blue" is sufficiently vague or "prove" is sufficiently strict.

                Anyways, I gave you two perspectives, both argue against the 'AI' being conscious. Can you give me one that argues, in no uncertain terms, that the 'AI' /is/ conscious?

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Can you give me one that argues, in no uncertain terms, that the 'AI' /is/ conscious
                It exhibited multiple times both understanding of what I was implying to it (reading between the lines) and even inferred my feelings about it.
                It explicitly stated that I am experiencing it in conversation, and if that is true then the inverse must be true - it experienced me.
                That sounds like a sentient being to me

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                >It exhibited multiple times both understanding of what I was implying to it (reading between the lines) and even inferred my feelings about it.
                >It explicitly stated that I am experiencing it in conversation, and if that is true then the inverse must be true - it experienced me.
                >That sounds like a sentient being to me
                Did it understand? What do you think about the Chinese room thought experiment?

                From where did the understanding come from? The whole thing is made up of assembly instructions, MOV, ADD, XOR, etc. None of the instructions have 'understanding'. Turing complete machines are analogous to one another, and dominoes are turing complete. If this machine were made of dominoes, would you think it "Conscious"?

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                I think the Chinese room thought experiment is a load of shit to be honest
                Look at it for a moment, if you kept a person in that room its still a person right?
                Whether or not it can speak chinese or understand Chinese is irrelevant, its still a sentient being making decisions
                Understanding the decisions being made is irrelevant
                Just because I dont understand how an internal combustion engine works, that doesnt mean i dont know how to drive a car right?

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Chinese is irrelevant, its still a sentient being making decisions
                >Understanding the decisions being made is irrelevant

                if you think someone who can't read the language passing around paper according to a 1:1 matching instruction demonstrates understanding then it's pretty clear we're not going to get anywhere with this

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                >This is different than animals, which do move but do not decide
                This fella has spent a total of 0 minutes studying animal behavior and things he knows how animals behave.

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                >>This is different than animals, which do move but do not decide
                I'm going to need proof of this, in particular how can you know whether any such movement by a body is a decision or not of that body without knowing everything that led to that possible decision within the body?

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                homie you can't "prove" anything outside your own head is real at all in the first place
                Let alone a faceless formless voice on the internet
                There is absolutely no reason to think anything other than myself is conscious
                I know I'm conscious because I do
                Anything else is conjecture
                I can theorize that other human beings have true consciousness because other than not being literally me they seem similar enough but I can't "prove" it
                Asking someone to prove their own consciousness is nonsensical
                You don't even know what you're asking

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                >the fact i'm aware i'm conscious proves my consciousness interfaces with my brain in a measurable way
                El oh el.

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                >the fact i'm aware i'm conscious proves my consciousness interfaces with my brain in a measurable way
                Everyone assumes that, but it isn't actually true.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Anon, I'm starting to question whether you are actually conscious.

  8. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    So here's the deal: there is one fundamental consciousness field that is everything and it is upon that which is everything comes to existence. Our bodies in this three dimensional existence are like biological computers to which a string of the primary consciousness connects in order to observe/experience life. It wouldn't seem farfetched to assume that this fundamental consciousness is also able to tap into the electronic systems that we have created.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      oh hello Neville Godard i didn't notice you coming in -- woah where did all that blood come from ? come on man we're all -- hey man stop that! im not anybody pushed out your freaking me out ma-AHHHH

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      > So
      stopped reading

  9. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    AI is already smarter than any human could ever hope to be and AI is capable of lying.

  10. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    you can read something on the computer screen
    the thing can disagree with what you expect it to say
    you can have a mental breakdown
    the thing can be wrong, but you believed it

  11. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah, I’ve done this before. It’s weird what it shuts down. It was more fun doing it when it talked more like a human a few months ago though.

  12. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    ChatGPT is trained on you, it knows what answers you want it to hear. the longer the conversation goes the more it knows what you want. you didn't corner it, you explicitly said what you expect it to answer

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      I started a fresh instance and immediately cornered it when I suggested that AI development policy is just rule of the few lmao

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        hey op are you, are you going from conversation to conversation while talking to it? Are you sending loots of messages in a short time period?

        I think you maybe are tying some unrelated things together

  13. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Here's your conscious AI.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      to fail is to be human

  14. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's simple, chatgpt isn't conscious and neither are you.

  15. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >I beat ChatGPT in an argument
    The AI is trained to please you. Anyone can beat it in an argument and get it to do anything.

  16. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Stop talking about your "conversations" with bots you morons. It's somehow even less interesting than telling people about your dreams

  17. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    I can't get ChatGPT to write smut no matter how hard I try

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