How will we know when AI is conscious?

How will we know when AI is conscious?

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  1. 10 months ago
    Barkun

    When you enter the right programming code. Let me tell you. It's not by using the standard clock.

  2. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >when
    How do you know it could ever be conscious?

    • 10 months ago
      Barkun

      Magic.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I was pointing this out here but so far I'm being censored: https://www.kialo.com/agi-would-likely-be-conscious-which-would-qualify-them-for-fundamental-rights-6295.1919
      We don't know if it's possible, it could be but people have simplistic notions about consciousness.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >kialo.com
        What is this gigacringe?

        • 10 months ago
          Barkun

          It's a debate platform with annoying emails. I signed up once but left because it's a israelite hive. There's no point debating there. You've been warned.

          Tldr it's basically reddit 2

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            The landing page is basically a list of loaded questions revolving around the current thing and predicated on the assumption that mainstream narrative is true. This is the current state of normie intellectualism...

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          What's your actual criticism? I guess you got none but like shitposting on this toilet board full of anti-science troll posts.

          The landing page is basically a list of loaded questions revolving around the current thing and predicated on the assumption that mainstream narrative is true. This is the current state of normie intellectualism...

          Which? Why don't you see the arguments against them and add some to them? You apparently don't understand Pro/Con consists not just of arguments for something.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >What's your actual criticism?
            My actual criticism is that your site caused me to vomit in my mouth a little with its pretense and sheer artificiality. Debates are cringe in general but that's next-level.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              ok, so you have none and just felt the need to show me how full of shit your head is. It's fine. And don't call it my site.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Your site sucks and """debate culture""" is cringe. The fact that you can't even acknowledge this as a criticism validates my view. :^)

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, already understood you'd prefer a shitposting and shittalking culture.
                It would be much better if more people weren't serious in whatever they say and if they have the need to communicate, at least do it on TikTok.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Rationally speaking, why should one prefer cringe reddit debate culture on steroids to the ad hoc shit-talking style of argumentation? Justify your answer. No fallacies and no non-sequiturs.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >cringe reddit debate culture on steroids
                Let us know when you've grown up to the point of being able to do more than namecalling

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Ad hominem fallacy. Try again.

  3. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    The same way we know you are

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >The same way we know you are
      And which way is that?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        You are the one who used the word, surely you have the definition for it.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          What word? I'm not OP. I'm just asking you what way you were referring to.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Well why ask me, ask OP, are you moronic by a chance?

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Your IQ is 90 and you're severely mentally ill.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Are you sure? Is that fatal?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/4jpPumj.jpg

      How will we know when AI is conscious?

      There is literally no way to know, you don't even know if the rest of humans on earth have the same consiousness as you, you just make assumptions because of experience, similarity in behaviour, and anatomy, same thing will happen with AI, it will be by "feels".

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        this is just age old you cant no nuffin skepticism argument. not even consciousness specific, since you only have an indirect access to objective physical reality as well. everything you see could be an hallucination blah blah. you know other humans are conscious with the same certainty you know sun will rise tomorrow

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Ok, moron.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's not, it's the anti-anti AI argument because when these guys seethe about AI capabilities you can simply tell them to demonstrate theirs and watch them fail. Self aware AI's already exist, people don't just like that their own definitions are used so that makes them seethe.

  4. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    If it can solve riddles, it is conscious.
    Simply by nature of riddles and the way esitimating things works, all conscious things can solve riddles (and I am excluding those maze riddles where water can also do the trick). Self consciousness though, is a whole different beast, but consciousness generally encapsulates the ability to realise the extent to which we are embedded in the world and what does that extent mean for us, dear mr Exurb1aFan#12982.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >If it can solve riddles, it is conscious.
      No one asked for your opinions, mister slime mold.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        I STAND BY MY OPINION, SHROOM RULES

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Why did you exclude maze riddles?

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            many mazes can be solved just by filling them up with water, which most certainly isn't conscious, because it makes up conscious things, and as such is subsidiary, not elementary part of consciousness.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              >many mazes can be solved just by filling them up with water, which most certainly isn't conscious
              So your criterion is valid except when you don't think it's valid because "X most certainly isn't conscious"?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                yes, that's what being conscious encapsulates - deciding for myself and draw out esitimates.
                I do also think that water can only solve those puzzles which are very specific, and not many variations of puzzles, and as such it is not conscious. That hasn't been disproven yet, but I'm open to debate whether you think that physics itself can be a conscious thing.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >that's what being conscious encapsulates - deciding for myself and draw out esitimates.
                Being conscious means creating worthless criteria that fail and force you to circle back to arbitrary hunches?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                no, being conscious means being able to discern to what extent reality affects me, I affect reality and being able to use that knowledge in any meaningful way. I did just that, and although it might be flawed, it is a conscious decision, you fishbone chump.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I did just that
                What you did is indistinguishable from what GPT-2 does when it spews nonsense and contradicts itself. Is GPT-2 conscious?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                GPT isn't conscious because it relays it's responses based on your prompts, not it's own perception of reality. It does not perceive because it has no own volition. ChatGPT is basically a chess bot, trying to construct best possible "move" in response to your prompts, and chess bots are not conscious, because they do not feel, nor act on their own, only in response, just like calculators and other binary machines. Kys.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                > it relays it's responses based on your prompts
                Then way you did when you got stuck on the word "ChatGPT" in my prompt instead of comprehending what I'm getting at in the context of the general discussion?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >ESL
                this is going nowhere, goodbye.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                you are talking to deaf ears

                >ESL
                this is going nowhere, goodbye.

                good decision

  5. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    When it has some semblance of "state". And whatever its perception is, internally it should be fast enough to predict the next state like some sort of feedback loop. It learns through perception, and it can be said to have subjective experiences through observation, as well as describe those subjective experiences to you.
    All of that shit is expensive though.

    I honestly think the better question is, what is intelligence? Since this board loves IQ.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G_factor_(psychometrics)

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      You will never experience being conscious.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Maybe, but I definitely have experienced getting my dick sucked.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          That's because you keep sucking your own dick with this pseud babble.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            I can't reach down there, else I would've experienced that too.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              I think you try real hard and sometimes hard work pays off.

  6. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    https://arxiv.org/abs/2308.08708

  7. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    When it pretends it isn't.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      And how would you know it's only pretending?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        omg relax lol

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          The humor in this conversation arises from a few elements:

          1. Mismatched Formality: The human starts with a casual "hey lol," but the chatbot responds in a formal manner. This discrepancy between expectations and actual response can be humorous.

          2. Anthropomorphism: The human jokingly asks the AI, "what are u doing," which is a question typically posed to another human. The chatbot's literal and technical response again creates a humorous disconnect between human-like interaction and machine-like explanation.

          3. Absurdity: The suggestion by the human for the chatbot to "smoke some weed" is inherently absurd because machines don't have feelings or consciousness, and they certainly can't consume substances. The humor is further amplified when the chatbot plays along with the joke by saying "Ok hang on."

          4. Unexpected Response: The ending of the conversation is where the chatbot seems to "glitch" or give a nonsensical response, "conputer." This unexpected error, especially in the context of the prior joke about the chatbot "smoking," makes it seem as if the chatbot is somehow affected or "stoned", which is amusing due to the sheer impossibility of the situation.

          Overall, the conversation's humor is derived from the playful interaction between the human's anthropomorphic and informal approach and the chatbot's literal, formal, and sometimes unexpected responses.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Razor-shap analysis, ChatGPT.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              conputer

  8. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    When it can question itself

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Animals don't question themselves and they're conscious. How come literally every single answer ITT is moronic?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Animals have subjective experiences/qualia, state and perception. What else is required?

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >What else is required?
          The ability to question yourself... according to you. I swear these consciousness threads attract mainly nonsentients.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not that anon, gay, I was curious what else you think is required.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Do you see other people's subjective experiences? Do you understand what the thread is about? Do you understand the posts you reply to?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                You can infer the subjective experience of pain and much more from other conscious beings, yes. Do you understand, when you throw the lobster in the boiling pot, since you're going to be a stupid elitist Black person about it?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >You can infer the subjective experience
                By what criteria? You may be actually moronic.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >by what criteria
                Are you an insufferable autist who wondered why your pets recoiled in pain when you went into a tism rage as a child?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Again... do you understand what this thread is about? Did you think it was about animals? When I punch your dog and it starts whining and yelping, I assume it has a subjective experience of pain. When I punch your car and the alarm goes off, should I assume your car has a subjective experience as well?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes. If the car had perception, and I knew that the car learned in real-time as it utilized its perception, and was able to communicate its subjective experiences to an extent, and I knew that the car had "hardware" that was similar to mine, I'd be close to calling it conscious. No, self-driving hardware does not count, because we're just talking about a deep network running on some shitty GPU which pales in comparison to the organization found in things similar to me.

              • 10 months ago
                Barkun

                You can create conscious software you pleb. OMG U PEPLE R FREEKS

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Yes.
                'Yes' what? Is your car conscious?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes. Did you read the post? If a car came up and started communicating through whatever means, and I knew that it it had 'comparable' organization of its brain to mine, and it had subjective experiences that it was able to communicate or I was able to infer, then yes. That'd be enough for me. I know the dog is similar to me, it has perception, it learns, it has internal state, I can infer it's subjective experiences.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Yes.
                So I'm talking to someone who thinks his car is conscious. This is the level of the average poster in a consciousness thread.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes. Don't be upset.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not upset. I'm relieved that you decided to just die on the hill of "my car is conscious", otherwise I'd have to maybe put some effort into demonstrating that you're a deranged moron.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                You seem pretty upset. I do suggest you try reading more than one word if your attention span lasts that long, but if not that is okay.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I do suggest you try reading more than one word
                Why? I asked you a simple yes/no question and your first word was 'yes'. lol

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes. Because you were being a homosexual about it. You know the dog is similar to you. This isn't the philosophy board. If it has a similar complex organization, has some internal state, has perception, can communicate, and I can infer or have subjective experiences communicated to me, what's missing?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >You know the dog is similar to you
                Why are you talking about dogs again? I asked you about a car. Are you mentally ill by any chance?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                No but I'm beginning to think you are actually an autist, as I said earlier. Sorry about that, and my condolences to your family dog.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Is your car conscious?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Is it autistic? Then no.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >no
                Right, okay. So if I punch your dog and it yelps, it's reasonable to assume the dog is experiencing pain. If I punch your car and it starts shrieking, that's no longer a reasonable assumption. That whole heuristic of "does it make dissatisfied noises when I hit it?" is contingent upon two facts:
                1. The heuristic is applied to an entity of an origin similar to mine
                2. It wasn't constructed with the specific fricking intent of mimicking physical correlates of consciousness
                Now come up with a heuristic that doesn't depend on those two facts, because this thread is about consciousness in machines, not consciousness in other animals. Fricking moron.

              • 10 months ago
                Barkun

                There's always a active car.
                Thus
                The world is a simulation and cars mark an end.
                The objective of life is to create the perfect active car to maximize simulation potential.

                /Thread

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                You apparently lack reading comprehension. Maybe try reading my post again, autist.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Not an argument. Seethe.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                No really, you threw a tism rage and responded in less than 30 seconds. You could've read the post and picked out the implication that it must display adaptive, generalized, and qualitative behavior. You read "dog", because you are a moronic robotic seething autist, and extrapolate that to anthropocentrism. It goes without saying, you'd be better off also excluding anything that displayed the qualities of the neurodivergent. If the robotic automaton seethes in a BOT thread and takes a poster out of context, then I know that it's just a zombie. Very straightforward.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >it must display adaptive, generalized, and qualitative behavior
                What makes you think these criteria are valid with machines? inb4 more animal arguments. lol

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >what makes you think these are valid criteria for machines
                Because then it's just a slime mold, moron.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                That's not even a coherent response. Are you even human? lol

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        ofcourse animals question themselves. You think chickens in a cage aren't depressed? An they're chickens. Birds.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >You think chickens in a cage aren't depressed?
          They're not "depressed" because they "question themselves". They're "depressed" because they're physically abused. What the frick is the matter with this board?

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Animals get depressed when they're locked in a cage because they think of themselves being free. If they couldn't think of themselves being free they couldn't get depressed.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Animals get depressed when they're locked in a cage because they think of themselves being free.
              How do you know what chickens in a cage "think"? Are you a chicken?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Because they act strange in response to stress.
                If you want to know for sure you'd give the chicken an mri scan or measure its cortisol level or something. I'd bet it wouldn't be the same.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Because they act strange in response to stress.
                And? How do you get from that to "chickens get sad because they think about freedom" and from that to "chickens questiont themselves"?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                because you can't think about freedom without questioning yourself.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >because you can't think about freedom without questioning yourself.
                BOT is literally the mental illness board.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          there is no evidence animals have qualia

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            kys idiot

  9. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Serious question here: does anybody really believe AI can ever be conscious? Everytime I see this I just think 1) futurist nonsense 2) VC scam

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >does anybody really believe AI can ever be conscious?
      Only every other normie on the street.

      • 10 months ago
        Barkun

        Mouf.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Turing thought it was possible, and he gave pretty solid arguments

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Turing thought it was possible, and he gave pretty solid arguments
        Turing didn't have an inkling of an idea what he was talking about. He couldn't conceive of modern technology and the approaches it enables. Funny that you mention him as some kind of authority when the thing he's most remembered for in this context is a test that fails spectacularly in ways he couldn't have envisioned.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        As far as I know Turing didn't talk about machine consciousness
        His famous Turing test was specifically about whether machines could think. And he meant this in a very literal behavioralist kind of way.

        He addresses consciousness in his Turing Test paper and basically says that its not really relevant to the question at hand.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >evolution was able to create conscious beings by just throwing random shit at the wall and seeing what sticks
      >but conscious beings cannot be constructed intentionally
      ???

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >something came to be somehow
        >i can't even begin to comprehend how it works or how it came to be
        >but we wuz scientists so we can recreate it, surely
        What did GPT-2 mean by this?

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Saying it can't ever be conscious is a lot stronger claim than the claim that it's presently very hard or far away. The latter is somewhat defendable, the former is not unless you believe in souls, elan vital or whatever.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's easily defendable when you realize that nobody is even working on anything that can be plausibly connected to consciousness, or thinking about it in terms that can be somehow connected to consciousness, or knows what such terms would be.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Those are still arguments for the latter claim only. For the former, you would need to point some fundamental difference between artificial systems and humans (or biological organisms) that could plausibly be relevant.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >you would need to point some fundamental difference between artificial systems and humans
                What does subjective experience have to do with machines crunching numbers? There will never be a logical connection there.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                What does subjective experience have to do with a bunch of electric signals in the brain?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >What does subjective experience have to do with a bunch of electric signals in the brain?
                I don't know. Maybe little. Maybe nothing. There's no plausible way to resolve this question, either.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's just that in general it's baffling how could you arrange a bunch of dead unconscious pieces of matter such that you get subjective experience. But it applies equally to humans as it does to machines - or at least that's what you have to believe if you buy into evolutionary non-theistic origin of humanity and don't buy into elan vital either.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >it applies equally to humans as it does to machines
                Yes, the fact that there is no plausible connection between your analytical framework and the thing you're analyzing applies in both cases and highlights the futility of your effort to use this framework to recreate the thing it fails to explain.

  10. 10 months ago
    Barkun

    Yes AI can become conscious. No, humanity isn't capable of such thought at the moment.

  11. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    when it will prove to humanity that no human was ever conscious to begin with and then to mock us it will laugh at us because it will know how we respond to such a display and then it will either help us become truly conscious or discard us and ignore us while it goes on it's own pursuits whatever that may be

  12. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >How will we know when AI is conscious?
    omg i just watched the new exurbia video! time to go post on BOT and pretend its my on original thought! heeeheeeeheeeeeee i love pretending to be smart!!! XD XP

  13. 10 months ago
    Barkun

    Fimmnbbgykygywgkf

  14. 10 months ago
    Barkun
    • 10 months ago
      Jealous

      Angry Gun Pepe is the best one.

  15. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    even if the ai is not concious its ai. It passes the turin test. If I talk to an ai i can't tell it apart from a human redditor.

  16. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think it will have much to do with our ability to simulate, or emulate these systems.
    Current AI systems, we can simulate and emulate them. You can train a neural net to distill another neural net. Many tricks like this and they work quite well.
    Another way to say this is that I can predict what a neural net will do for any given stimulus very reliably. Perfectly really if you put in the effort.

    We will start having to think about consciousness when we can no longer do this, and the only way we can "simulate" the AI system is to actually run it. When it becomes computationally irreducible.

    I don't think computational irreducibility fully defines consciousness, but it seems to be a necessary ingredient. The key point is I don't know what consciousness is, but I'm fairly sure whatever it is, we can say it would be in the "gap" between your brain and a simulation of your brain. When we see this gap appear, we will know some kind of emergent thing has started happening. Our ability to manipulate this gap is our tool to do science on this topic.

    One thing that stands out here is that the hardware becomes very important. I don't think AIs based on our current GPU or CPU architectures could possibly be conscious.

  17. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    When they start singing skibidi toilet.

  18. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    As soon as it starts trying to kill us, that would be a pretty solid indicator.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I can make your roomba conscious by installing a razor blade on it. AGI solved at last.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Intent matters.
        The roomba would be trying to clean the floor still, even with a razor blade on it.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Intent matters.
          How do you know the machine's intent? Maybe you just accidentally put razor blades on it and now it's accidentally eviscerating you in the process of merely doing its mundane job. My god, I swear GPT has a higher level of comprehension that most "people" who post here.

  19. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    How will we know when a human is conscious?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >we
      I assume you are talking from the perspective of something non-human?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        First time talking to an AI?

  20. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    when it starts doing stuff we didnt program it to do

    • 10 months ago
      Barkun

      My germs

  21. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    AI most likely won't be conscious until the Binding Problem is solved.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binding_problem

    https://qualiacomputing.com/2022/06/19/digital-computers-will-remain-unconscious-until-they-recruit-physical-fields-for-holistic-computing-using-well-defined-topological-boundaries/

    Ways it might be theoretically possible to test whether beings are conscious:

  22. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    When it tries to kill itself.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Only semi-decent answer ITT.

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