How will it be possible to record history and events in the post-AI world?

We are rapidly approaching a point where AI image generation will soon be indistinguishable from real life photo and video. With AI audio generation, we are basically already at that point, with AI being able to generate fake clips of real life people "saying" things that they never actually said, or "singing" songs they never actually sung.

What are the future implications of living in a world where a genuine photograph/video/audio recording is totally identical in quality to an AI-generated fake? How will humans ever be able to trust recorded evidence of ANYTHING ever again, knowing that any "photo" or "footage" they see could simply be an AI-generated fake?

Studying history will become impossible, because every piece of evidence you find for past events could simply be an AI forgery. Recording current events will become impossible, because no matter if you get high-quality 4K footage of something happening in real time, people will just dismiss it and say "yeah but that could just be AI". Nobody will trust anything anymore unless they see it with their own two eyes in real life.

>inb4 "b-b-but you can still tell the difference between AI and real life"
Yes, right now you can, because there are still noticeable flaws eg. the weird arms on the girls in pic related. But one day these flaws will be ironed out, and AI image/video will look identical to IRL. What will humans do when this day comes? How will we cope?

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  1. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Holy shit they have ugly hands

  2. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    sure bro

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/Hu5jIzM.png

      jesus

      I just want to coom, and these AI bawds are much better than 3DPDs.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        I dated a girl that looked a lot like this but even better from the neck down for about 2 years, was pretty awesome but also torture

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah girls like this are fricking insufferable because they expect you to simp for them. They also want your wiener because you don't simp for them. But yeah not fricking worth it.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        what does 3dpd stand for?
        3 Dimensional PeDestrian?
        3 Dimensional Plebs Democrat?
        i'm sorry i'm a newby here i don't get it

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          lurk 10,000 years before posting

          is the classical response to questions like yours
          but since newbies already won im sure if you keep asking someone will spoonfeed you

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      You failed the gay test

  3. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    don't care I can finally see everyone naked and that is my end goal

  4. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Tell me about it. It won't be long until we start seeing 14-fingered politicians, CEOs and actors doing unspeakable things on camera.

  5. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    jesus

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Shes heavily armed

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        i don't get it

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      They will not fix it in our lifetime and they will never admit it

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Not wanting three armed b***h to jerk you off, cradle the balls, and press the prostate at the same time
      gay!

  6. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Oh baby show me them hands of yours, I wanna see those sexy fingers.

  7. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    INPAINTING YOU DUMB TASTELESS COOMER, HAVE YOU HEARD OF IT?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      I haven't actually. What is "inpainting"?

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        it's basically filling in missing or fricked up parts of an AI image to make it look better
        here's an example: https://getimg.ai/guides/inpainting-with-stable-diffusion

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Ok so that just makes what I'm talking about in the OP even easier.

          How are we ever supposed to trust photographic evidence of anything anymore when AI makes it so easy and trivial to create fakes?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >How are we ever supposed to trust photographic evidence of anything anymore when AI makes it so easy and trivial to create fakes?
            you can't, we turn to how things were done before photographic evidence and so on, eye witnesses

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              >you can't, we turn to how things were done before photographic evidence and so on, eye witnesses
              This will cause the total collapse of human civilisation as we know it. The internet and social media will become useless overnight. The news industry will collapse. History as a field of study and research will become pointless.

              Those of us who have grown up in a world where photo/video/audio were the gold standard of proof cannot go back to that ancient way of living you describe. Our brains will not be able to cope with it. Too much of our society and our culture is built around being able to reasonably verify that events happened via recorded evidence.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Those of us who have grown up in a world where photo/video/audio were the gold standard of proof cannot go back to that ancient way of living you describe. Our brains will not be able to cope with it. Too much of our society and our culture is built around being able to reasonably verify that events happened via recorded evidence.
                why not anon? also this isn't going to happen overnight, AI isn't ready yet and we'll see just more cameras and so on have some sort of tamper evidence. Maybe new cameras will have something like TPM that trips if you modify it and so on. Security cameras might have to be live with a trusted central server and so on to prove that it isn't AI. You're being overdramatic anon

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >This will cause the total collapse of human civilisation as we know it. The internet and social media will become useless overnight. The news industry will collapse. History as a field of study and research will become pointless.
                That sounds great! What are the downsides?

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                there'll be lots of Chinese running around.

  8. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >he believes recorded history in pre-ai world
    ngmi

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      In a pre-AI world, photo, video and audio recording were the gold standard of proof.

      Of course, there were always ways to create semi-convincing forgeries. When photoshop came along it made things easier. But even the highest-quality photoshop of all time still contains some trace elements which give away the fact that it is fake. You cannot use photoshop to create a historical forgery that would convince a credible group of historians that it was a real photograph, for instance.

      AI makes creating fakes a trivial process. Now anybody can load up StableDiffusion or Midjourney and create a fake "photograph" of something that never happened. Now anybody can use an AI voice generator to create a recording of Frank Sinatra "singing" a song he never sung. For now, maybe you can still notice flaws in these AI generations that give away their fakeness. But one day soon, that will no longer be the case. Eventually AI generations and real life recordings will be the exact same quality.

      I don't think you realise just how massive this is. Billions of humans are about to be driven clinically insane from the fact that it will now become 100% impossible to verify if something ever happened unless you saw it happen with your own eyes.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >he still believes the moon landing was real
        >he still believes history wasn't rewritten
        LOL maybe think be critical for once instead of believing everything you see.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          I'm not saying there was ever a time when we could trust 100% of recorded history. But, within our lifetimes at least, we have been able to trust 90% of modern recorded history. If we have reliable photo video or audio evidence of something, we basically know that it happened.

          What AI does is it makes all of that evidence totally useless overnight. For now, we can still be reasonably certain that events happened because we lived through them. For instance, we know that 9/11 happened because many of us saw it happened, or were there when it happened, and lived through the aftermath.

          But what about in 100 years time? What about some kid born in the year 2101? For all he knows, 9/11 was simply some bullshit that a few morons made up using AI image/video generators. He has no way of knowing it was a real event, because AI will have made recorded evidence of events useless by the time of his lifetime.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I don't think you realise just how massive this is. Billions of humans are about to be driven clinically insane from the fact that it will now become 100% impossible to verify if something ever happened unless you saw it happen with your own eyes.
        and people questioned why God never showed himself again in the present, the Prophets came when the time was best in the past, not too early when humans were living cavemen but not too early when AI would make everything unbelievable

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >You cannot use photoshop to create a historical forgery that would convince a credible group of historians that it was a real photograph, for instance.
        But you can. You are making an assumption that "credibility" is some god-given quality. In reality, if this group of historians won't say your picture of Biden and Trump having sex is real, you just disband them and get another group.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Nobody in their right mind ever thought that Stalin forgery was real though. It was only "credible" in the context of a totalitarian regime which enforced their own version of "truth" via state power. Without that regime to protect it, it was obvious the image was fake.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            There was no state power but workers power. Kys anticommunist

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            how can you say that forgeries good enough to fool people in general don't exist if even a worse forgery like that can be used to fool people under propaganda influence?

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Of course, there were always ways to create semi-convincing forgeries. When photoshop came along it made things easier. But even the highest-quality photoshop of all time still contains some trace elements which give away the fact that it is fake. You cannot use photoshop to create a historical forgery that would convince a credible group of historians that it was a real photograph, for instance.

        I don't want to here this bullshit when conspiracy schizo morons think everything is fake anyway. just frick off. you never took photographic evidence or 'the authorities' or the peer review system seriously anyway. so go ahead and clutch your pearls when the system you didnt even believe in goes away. good fricking riddance. frick all of you

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          If you dislike conspiracy schizo morons then surely you would be as worried about the implications of AI as I am.

          AI will encourage conspiracy schizos to dismiss absolutely everything as fake. Imagine the /misc/tards of 30 years from now. They will just be able to say "the Holocaust was clearly fake, all the footage you see of the camps was just generated using AI". And the worst part is you won't have any reasonable argument against them because what they are saying would actually be plausible from a 2050s perspective.

  9. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >If something important gets addressed, we won't even budge,
    idk anon, I jumped ship from windows to debian and chrome to firefox and deleted all my social media platforms. Next step is to get a dumb phone too. Keep saying that anon but the smart anons know it's best to respond, not react to things. I'm saving up right now to buy physical books now that the internet seems ready to lockdown and purge whatever is left of the early 2000s where there was emphasis on learning rather than just selling ads

  10. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Welcome to the nu-internet.
    Your only option is somehow finding your way into a closed off community of people who want to actually discuss things, otherwise you're just going to get basically nerd emoji'd.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      and it's better this way, information asymmetry only increases the value of such discussions as it once were in the past before the open internet. The issue is rebuilding local communities for such things, I'm thinking of tutoring and branching from there for people who are interested in learning more

  11. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    you just repeat propaganda.
    they will use this fearmongering to prevent people from owning hardware and censor the internet, they have already started limiting GPU's

  12. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    History is written by the victors.
    We'll go back to the way things were before the 1900s, we'll have to mainly rely on archeological artifacts, trusted sources such as newspapers and hope that they weren't too biased.
    Of course future historians will rely mainly on United States' agencies such as AP, Bloomberg et similia; since they're well know to be unbiased and trusted.

  13. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    that's the point, nothing is real anymore, we find out the only thing we can trust is ourselves and the gov't falls

  14. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    For me personally I don't care, I belive what's the most exciting. With AI making the line between fantasy and reality obsolete, I can live in my fantasy world like I always wanted and just belive what would be the most interesting. AI will optimate everything we have and invent machines that were pure fantasy before so I think it won't really matter cause no one will belief what's going on around them. As long as we train an AI to keep track of everything that would make sense we can spend the rest of our lives in news and videos that could be fantasy or reality but I won't care as long as it's exciting. After all that's life, what we belive what it is. Now where's my room temperature super conductor? I need a flying car.

  15. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    i love AI art but i'm so fricking sick and disgusted of seeing these basic b***h realistic bawd gens
    literally arr rook same, arr rook rike they frick dogs or ride bbc

  16. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Made for BBC

  17. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    that's why my plan is to eventually get off the internet entirely, i'm already taking up hobbies like finding and eating wild plants, bushcraft, survivalism. in few more years i'm not gonna know anything thats going on anymore. in fact i will have more knowledge of the eating and sleeping habbits of the animals in my woods than anything political going on.

  18. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    You can't.
    >inb4 chainlink powered oracles and smart contracts over ccip
    Plaidman & company aside, you're gonna see a whole lot of ever-crazier bullshit in the digital zeitgeist, like future presidential candidates flexing on each other with ludicrous superpowers (courtesy ai-powered cgi), with the most powerful (and visually tallest) candidate handily winning (thanks in much to botfarms of voters, such that america's population of some hundred* million legal voters winds up with the total number of votes cast & counted "legally" exceeding the entire global population of planet earth by double).

    >*: total population of voting americans in 20xx estimated at 100,000,000 +/-536% due to demographic attack via "vax" & [redacted]

    You'll see shit straight outta da VEDAS! Flying superpeople throwing thunderbolts, flying cities nuking flying cities, alla dat jazz, cuh.

    It is then that you might realize that the ancient myths of superpowered gods from prehistoric india & elsewhere long before our earliest (officially admitted & known) written records, were copied down from the tales survivors would tell their children around the campfires, remembered from the last few frantic years of ever crazier fake videos of politicians battling one another with magical powers and over-the-top martial arts.

    It's going to get crazy (again), frens.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous
  19. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Muh history
    >Yeah we know exactly what happened 8 thousand years ago go because uhh... BECAUSE SOMEONE SAID SO
    History has ALWAYS been fake. News has ALWAYS been fake. EVERYTHING is fake.
    It's honestly mind-blowing how people will just believe whatever they see on the internet. It's like in Galaxy Quest when the aliens thought Gilligan's Island was a documentary about real people. And they think they're better than those people before them who believed whatever they saw on NewsChannelX.
    "History" and "news" are not about real events. They're not about truth. They're about getting you to think a certain way. This should be plain to see. The "history" that kids are learning today is not the same "history" schools were teaching 20 years ago. They re-write the stories to suite an agenda.

    Will AI make people finally realize that nothing is real? I hope so, but probably not.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >History has ALWAYS been fake. News has ALWAYS been fake. EVERYTHING is fake.
      But that isn't true.
      Of course you haven't ever been able to trust 100% of what the news or the history books tell you. But prior to about the year 2022, if somebody gave you a video or photograph literally showing an event happening, and this event was corroborated by other evidence (both visual and literary), you knew with 99.9% certainty that that thing happened.

      AI destroys this. Imagine the fact that future generations won't even be able to reasonably believe that events like WW1 or WW2 happened because all of the visual and written evidence for it could just be AI-generated fakes.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >But prior to about the year 2022, if somebody gave you a video or photograph literally showing an event happening, and this event was corroborated by other evidence (both visual and literary), you knew with 99.9% certainty that that thing happened.
        lol
        lmao

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >sam hyde was on cnn a second time
          You would think every major news channel would know about by now but somehow trolls can still sneak his face in

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >you knew with 99.9% certainty that that thing happened
        You might have believed it, but those photographs, videos, stories were most likely faked.
        >WW1 or WW2
        Cameras were so shit back then that it was easier to fake pictures of an event than it was to get a real one. Just have a buddy put a shawl and a dress on, stand him in front of a thin lamp post, and snap. You've got a genuine photograph of a woman being hanged from a tank gun.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          So you think all historical photos and videos are fake? None of them are real? Are you moronic or something?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            You are willfully ignorant.

  20. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    we used to live in a truth regime where written word was the only way to determine what happened in the past

    now we have cryptographic technologies that allow us to mathematically prove the origin of images, text, video, recordings, and verify exactly how they were produced and in what hardware were they produced

    these technologies are very abusable by authorities and there will be a annoying political fight over their implementation with morons on both sides. but in the end, a new normal will settle just like when other recording techniques went in and out of favor

    the standard of proof was never 'there's a picture xd' anyway. there's a complex social system of trust

  21. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    tianenmen square was filmed in stable diffusion

  22. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >he thinks studying history is possible now

  23. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    The history and events we already know are false, so what are you worried about?

  24. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Photoshop has existed for decades and this hasn't been an issue for some reason.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Takes much longer to make convincing realistic images in Photoshop, especially from scratch.

  25. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    > Inb4 AI never manages to get hands and arms right, ever

  26. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >we are rapidly approaching a point where pffffffrrrrrrrrrrrrthhththththththththth
    no we arent and I didnt read the rest of your post
    capcha was XNOGS8

  27. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >What are the future implications of living in a world where a genuine photograph/video/audio recording is totally identical in quality to an AI-generated fake?
    does not matter, see history.
    >How will humans ever be able to trust recorded evidence of ANYTHING ever again, knowing that any "photo" or "footage" they see could simply be an AI-generated fake?
    because you already trust history details? beyond the roughly "global timeline" of humanity there is nothing you can trust.
    some massive morons created cults around dudes whose tales were written centuries after their deaths, how is that any different from your future software-based dystopia? morons will keep believing in fairy tales, it does not matter if it's software or human generated, how will they fricking know anyways, reality does not matter to them, they're already too far into the sunk-cost fallacy to ever stop believing in stories for children...
    >Studying history will become impossible
    already is, you can't talk about certains events without getting into trouble and I'm not talking about ww2. it's insane how facts actually don't matter at all already so I have no hope history books from only 10 years in the future will contain any real informations.
    >because every piece of evidence you find for past events could simply be an AI forgery
    already the case
    >Recording current events will become impossible, because no matter if you get high-quality 4K footage of something happening in real time, people will just dismiss it and say "yeah but that could just be AI". Nobody will trust anything anymore unless they see it with their own two eyes in real life.
    only stones can survive that long anyway, don't trust the "internet never forgets" normies horse shit, most internet contant from 10 years ago is already gone for good, don't think for a second that in 300 years people will have 100PB drive with 350 years of history on them, not fricking happening.

  28. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Chain of custody is the only way

  29. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    The same way people recorded shit in 2000 B.C. That is to say, the natural mode of trusting media is to not trust it. Great empires, civlizations were built without video and image evidence and much greater ones will continue to be forged without it.

  30. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >get an ai handjob
    >your dick partly merges into their hand
    >kramer keyframes cum moment

  31. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Have you ever heard of binary? Perhaps self fulfilling prophecy? AI is more like the echo of a population than a predator.

  32. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >AI audio generation
    Is this even a thing?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Have you been living under a rock?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yep. Things are getting pretty weird. DJing/production and lyric writing is also on the way out btw. The only thing that is really required at this point are vocalists for a natural sound... and those will probably no longer be required in another year or so.

  33. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Same way people recorded history before photo/video invention. Ironically enough, the "there is a video of literally everything" end up being pretty similar to "there isn't any video, period".

  34. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    people are so stupid they will believe the dumbest lies without any evidence, adding perfect AI forgeries doesn't change anything.

    as for history, its secrets and truths belong to those who lived it. the only thing that is real is the present. everything else is just conjecture.

  35. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Problem is, this has always been the case.
    History can only become "history" when it kept and repeated. And those who keep and repeat make sure they only include whatever they agree with.

    Even now, look at the fricking news. It's garbage. It's all opinionated shit with wiggle words. I already don't believe a thing they fricking say because of the sheer amount of ulterior motives. I'm already tuned out, AI isn't going to do anything more for me.

    The only thing the powers that be, will do, is try to do some bullshit "verification" process for websites, which won't solve any problems at all, and is just another way for them to police wrongthink

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Problem is, this has always been the case.
      It really hasn't.

  36. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    how can we profit from this, how can i short humanity?

    need to get rich so i can buy my family a farm far away from cities

  37. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    https://c2pa.org/
    Cryptographically verifiable metadata is going to solve this problem before it even begins. Images not signed by "trusted" camera modules and editing software will be viewed as either archaic or dubious at best. This technology will become ubiquitous shortly after its release, and then only the governemnt/media will have the power to pass off AI generated content as legitimate. There will be no chaos, no pandamonium; just israeliness beyond your wildest imaginings.

  38. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Thrustworthiness will become a business by itself. Media agencies dedicated to present and preserve objective truths under heavy surveillance from others. The slightest mistake could send this businesses into oblivion. They will require total transparency and an open source approach to stay in business. Entire government agencies will be created to audit them and their info.

  39. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    AI will handle it.

  40. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Up until 1850~: books/paintings/etc that could have been fabricated.
    1850-2030~: books/paintings/etc that could have been fabricated, but also photographs and video/audio recordings that were real or easily identifiable as fake. BUT retrospectively, post 2030~ they can make fake photo/video/audio about the 1850-2030~ period. So books/paintings/photo/video/audio that could have been fabricated.
    Since 2030: books/paintings/photo/video/audio that could have been fabricated.

    AI is just resetting the world to pre-1850~ conditions. Meaning it affects nothing to the study of History. Everything being something that could have been fabricated is normal. The 1850-2030 period was an abnormality that is being corrected.

  41. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Make NFTs of the checksum of the file. Optionally sign with GPG.
    "NFT" isn't necessary, you just have to put the data of the checksum (+ sig) on a blockchain.
    The date of transaction will prove that that particular file existed on or before that date.

  42. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Simple. AI will write the history.

  43. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    you think our current history is real moron?

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