What do you see as the limit of AI?
Will we really be working less and less, but be way more productive as time goes on?
Where do you see AI by 2030, let's say?
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How Far Can AI Go?
You can laugh at him for saying this but don't lie you've had this exact thought worded in this exact way before at least once.
that's what everyone's been thinking for at least 200 years now and yet we slave away for corporations more than we did in middle ages
oy vey shut it down! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvk_XylEmLo
It's hard to compare because middle ages work was very intermittent in accordance with seasons, days and holidays.
Late 19th century and early 20th were certainly the worst. Work has diminished since then. And yes, we're still slaves.
This is mostly correct, but it depends. See, in some feudal countries, you only had to do work for your landlord 2 days per week, but in some you had to do it 4 days per week. On top of that, you had to maintain your farm and it was forbidden to work on sunday, so what could happen is that you simply didn't have enough time and starve, hence why the thought of a brutal 16 hour job was still a good proposition to some farmers to go into the city - because of somewhat stable income
Smart people have that thought and then start to think about why it isn't the case already: It's a simplistic understanding of the world. The economy isn't a charity, it's a system of people trading labor with each other. Those who do not produce value will not get anything unless governments steal from the productive group, and the more governments interfere the less efficient the economy is for the people who actually contribute. Systems like employer-provided benefits incentivize squeezing every hour you can out of your employees.
I don't think ppl generally understand why planned economies don't work, or how productivity (as an economic concept) works either.
I have a 3 day wwork week though. It's called part time work, and when you have a college degree and a high salary position, you can make things work even if you don't work full time.
This is exactly what I'm talking about here:
I'm in the same boat. I work as a consultant, and run an eCommerce biz. Consulting is highly paid, and my utilization is really low, since I don't need the money... eCommerce takes about an hour a day to run and pays for everything. My biggest issue is becoming comfortable with a slower paced day, after many years of corporate grind.
I point out to friend that full time roles for our experience level are an underpaid waste of time, and she should consult. So what does she do? Sells 150% utilization of her time. I'm sort of impressed at her drive, but saddened that she can't ever relax.
I work 20 hours a week and 30 days of paid vacation a year. It works fine because my country has laws that limit for how much time any person can be made to work at a given company.
>The economy isn't a charity
and yet CEOs pay themselves 5000x the workers for doing nothing. Its 100% a charity and a scam
yeah but when i think of automation easing the burden off the shoulders of human labor, i think of some star trek type utopia. when bill gates thinks of it, he imagines a mass depopulation program where poorgays who do not generate minimum n utiles get transformed into protein paste
You make Bill Gates sound way more based than he actually is.
>dude so based vgh so zased
>he says as he is carted away to the protein paste factory
You forgot attach the gigachad.jpg
I'm not laughing at him for saying that. I don't think it's an entirely unreasonable forecast for a potential future.
I just don't think they'll allow it to happen. They'll just make you work those same 40-50 hours per week on the few things robots cannot do yet, same as with every other technological advancement so far.
More specifically they'll still make you clock in for 8 hours a day, even if 7 of them are spent just sort of lollygagging
Employers are ghouls and demand their money's worth
>they'll
>They'll
>they'll
you know who they are
somebody make delicious chocolate covered bill gates cookies
>"It feels like I'm eating the future!"
>Will we really be working less and less, but be way more productive as time goes on?
we already are way more productive, but we are working more and more.
in 1950-1960 an entire team of several workers did the analysis that today is done by one person with a computer and a spreadsheet application
however every one of them was paid so much they could single-handedly feed their whole families without their wife even having to work
that person today is probably barely able to survive, let alone have kids, even with the partner working as well
we are living is a hellish dystopia and the guilty are right in front of your dumb eyes
That's because the rich is getting richer and you can already see the lie they're serving us. When it'll be 0 person just an AI, you can bet they won't feed you at all
why wont you come to the conclusion that now is the time for socialism? it's like you get to the point and then you just stop instead of then going
>so i guess whats needed are mechanisms that transfer a fair amount of wealth to the general population instead of allowing it to consolidate in the hands of investors and shareholders
make no mistake, companies and corporations will use ai automation to vastly increase their profits whilst laying off vast amounts of their workforce
People are powerless and treated like cattle (if covid wasn't enough of proof for you) so that conclusion is useless anyway
The same elites would control socialism with more power. The solution is to rid the elites. Or at least identify them.
We consume A LOT more than any other point in history. Somehow it seems the poojnt that you consider having a smartphone a necessity always seems to elude your type. Pre industrial age human labor could be summarized for clothing, living and eating.
I am not saying this isn't a capitalist dystopia, but saying we are poorer than before is a balant lie, factually wrong.
Tech is the only thing that got cheaper though. Food and clothing kept with the inflation, or at least as long as you search for durable clothing that will last you years. Housing, medical expenses and school got significantly more expensive compared to inflation despite being basically necessity to not be wagie. Yeah, you can consume more expensive tech gadgets, but the basic life necessities got way too expensive.
> muh phones
>we are living is a hellish dystopia and the guilty are right in front of your dumb eyes
no, you are living in republics whose goal has always been being about commerce. And cheap cost is the natural goal of business
From that chart, it looks like average annual growth was about 4% per year, but those figures aren't "real" wage growth, as they're not adjusted for inflation.
If we look at the past 30 years
https://www.statista.com/statistics/191077/inflation-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/
the inflation rate has been around 3%, so "real" wage growth, relative to the price of goods, has only been about 1%. Thirty years of 1% growth compounded works out to about 35% increase over all.
In that time, though, the GDP per capita has jumped from $23,889 to $76,399 (in current US dollars) which means it has more than tripled.
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/gdp-per-capita
So workers are 220% more productive, but only paid 35% more for their work. I'll leave it as an exercise to the reader to determine where the wealth has gone if not to people who are earning wages.
Most of the money that accounts for the increased GDP isn't real, it's printed by financial institutions. Fractional reserve banking results in the printing of imaginary money that isn't backed by actual goods and services.
because socialism would not fix the problem. we should start by dragging the "people" responsible out of their lairs and throw them in prison where they belong
b***h please, don't act like we work harder. Boomers had to walk all the way to the library to learn anything new.
>in 1950-1960 an entire team of several workers did the analysis that today is done by one person with a computer and a spreadsheet application
And yet in the 1950s and 1960s we sent the first man into space and landed on the Moon, and that was long before trillion dollar science budgets and supergigaterabyte quantum nanocomputers. Now we can't even replicate what our grandparents did, and we rejoice when Elon's next shuttle flies for more than 5 minutes without blowing up, which would seem as nonsense for anyone who lived through the Space Race. We as humanity have mentally and intellectually degraded ever since. And don't tell me it's because of demographics or feminism - there were women scientists back in the day, there were black people working at NASA and in STEM institutions in the 1960s and 1970s. It is all because of the screen addiction (it all started with TVs) and the degradation of our education system.
As for the
question: no, we won't get a 3-day work week. Most of us will either be unemployed and poor af or have to work 70+ hours a week because AI won't replace all the blue-collar jobs, it will replace the majority of white-collar ones, from artists and writers to 90% of code monkeys and scientists.
>AI won't replace all the blue-collar jobs, it will replace the majority of white-collar ones, from artists and writers to 90% of code monkeys and scientists.
This makes me depressed. When you read futurists back to at least like the 1970s, they talk about AI doing all the tedious, difficult, and dangerous work, saying that humans would continue in creative pursuits. They thought people would sit around all day making poetry and oil paintings. Turns out, AI isn't very good at doing the things humans don't want to do, but sure as shit it will do all the fun, creative stuff.
And to add insult to injury, the stuff it creates isn't up to par with real human creativity. It is 'good enough' to save employers from paying an artist a salary, but everything will be ever more bland and uninteresting. There will never be an inappropriate joke or a dash of color or a disharmonic chord. It's the flood of vanilla commercial art created by commitee that ruined early internet culture, but multiplied by a thousand. Every movie will be a Marvel movie, every song will be a Nickelback song. It is only art on the most superficial level - NPC level consumers will continue to eat it up, but thinking people will be suffocated by its blandness.
it won't replace human creativity, ultimatively it will bolster human creativity.
don't listen to artists whining, they can't see the future because they're too busy whining and playing the victim.
what will happen is that you'll have more of creative output across the board. one man or small team projects everywhere. a lot more shit but in the same vein also a lot more masterpieces.
just more of everything.
>what will happen is that you'll have more of creative output across the board
pure speculation with zero evidence
It is exactly what is going on right now
Name a single example of technology enabling a creative masterpiece by some random joe
there is *some* creative output for the sake of creativity alone, e.g. hobbyists, but there's a lot that's driven by the desire for success and narcissistic differentiation. we have no clue what happens to that desire when the domain of struggle is eliminated. who's to say struggle isn't fundamental to being human? and that in its absence we wouldn't be aimless and depressed in an unexplainable way?
you think your predictions aren't speculation?
They say "teases" like it's a video game or a movie he's actively working on and we should be looking forward to a trailer. It's nothing more than just nonsensical ramblings he made on a podcast and is being cherry picked because nobody has a clue what he actually does now.
Anyways to answer your question OP yeah I imagine most people will adopt AI to help them get their usual work done faster. This COULD lead to shorter work weeks, but unfortunately the workaholics will ruin things for everyone because they are incapable of slowing down, they'll only crank out even more ridiculous amounts of work. And this will make everyone else look bad in the eyes of project leaders and executives who will think everyone else should be able to keep up. Idk where the compromise will be made. But I dont have my hopes set on shorter work weeks.
AI will also eliminate some menial jobs which are currently just glorified apprenticeships. People will take specialized classes in their higher education to learn how to use AI tools for their job, the same way we offer photoshop classes and autocad classes and shit. Those things will mean a higher barrier to entry for certain industries.
>workaholics will ruin things for everyone
You know, this is the basic issue. People feel the need to work 5 days a week, 8 hours a day, or so. They are conditioned to that. At least in the USA. I guess in Japan, China, they feel the need to work 5-6 days a week and 12 hours a day.
Any growth in productivity, rather than being used to create more personal time, is used to take on more work. It's not just wagies being mandated to do so; independent consultants will take on more clients, or more work, to fill that newly available time, with no-one to drive them but themselves. I'm watching one of my friends do this now; she's pulled together about a 60 hr work week, all on her own volition, though notably she doesn't need to work that many hours to support her senpai or build out their savings.
If you're not filling the time, someone else will (ruining it for everyone). Humans don't seem to do well with abundance. We are, now, truly blessed, and I see nothing but b***hing and caterwalling about how bad things are.
It's truly bizarre.
npcs will wagecuck in vr for worldcoins
They already do. Remember all that WoW Gold spam (or whatever tf it was) from 2010 or so? Some MMO game. The chinese would spam tf out of any online BB service advertising their ability to mine gold for you for the game. It was annoy af.
the scariest thing about as is that you realise that despite how moronic the ai output is, not only is it smarter than 99.99% of people and more capable than them of doing their job, but that 99.99% management types are also so stupid that they don't realise that either people or ai are actually incapable of doing their job and even if they did realise, they wouldn't care anyway because profit.
tl:dr; everyone is moronic except me.
>tl:dr; everyone is moronic except me.
Yes.
>machines can make all the food
A lot of people like making food though. It's a craft and a passion for them.
The same could be said about driving or a lot of things, we'll have to figure out some sort of balance between the few people who are passionate craftsmen and the vast majority of people who just want the automated goyslop.
Why eat their shitty baking when AI can make it in a smaller time frame and have it taste God like?
Once AI reaches that level there will be no such thing as human interaction, you won't need anything from anyone, the AI will be your world. You will forget the real world even existed.
The singularity is gonna be fricking insane, like unlocking the cheat codes to life.
If nothing happens with AI then we just go back to the status que, born, frick and die.
>Why eat their shitty baking when AI can make it in a smaller time frame
i'm sorry for you to live in such a third country that your bakeries are all shit lol
the few local bakeries around me are really good and I never had to wait to get served at the counter.
why would I want to get some soulless bread served by a fricking machine?
You are in fact a mut, shut the frick up spastic.
sucks for him, I'm going to personally force him into a communal mural artist position after the glorious AI revolution
in the future, if you want to volunteer at an abandoned coal mine, as part of a historical reenactment society, you'll be able to. you might need to find somewhere to put the coal, though, once you've mined it, as burning it will be illegal.
um sweaty you have heard of a little thing called climate change? that overrides your hobbies, now eat the refined protein block.
Hey AI make me a hot 18 year old korean girl body in a tube and put my brain it in so I can be a pop star. Thanks I love you forever!
Will you let me be your manager?
If you're good and make me famous. I don't even care that much about being rich if I can be the star forever with new bodies every 10 or so years.
Why is he so obsessed with food and feeding?
He doesn't wanna get eaten by the working class, so he's making sure people are fed.
>Will we really be working less and less
In 2023, we’re working much more than medieval peasants in spite of having far superior technology. The trend never reversed every time we got better machines.
>Juliet Schor, a Professor of Sociology at Boston College, explained in her book The Overworked American: The Unexpected Decline of Leisure, that the average American in 1987 was working about 1,949 hours annually, while an adult male peasant in 13th-century England racked up approximately 1,620 hours yearly.
It doesn't matter I can't relax anymore anyway.
Don't worry the elites are pocketing the difference while you're getting poorer
based bill death to wageslaving
Billy Billybob Gayts is a notorious slavedriver THOUGH.
Nothing wrong with using AI to cultivate your Black person farm
He's buying up every acre of quality farming land in America. What's the point of being free from work if we have to buy all our foodfrom globohomosexual and look like low T androgynous blobs
Doesn't matter no one will do shit about it.
I don't really care
Never happen, we could have done this back in the 1800's. The demand for profit from corporations is infinite
>Never happen, we could have done this back in the 1800's. The demand for profit from corporations is infinite
This, Nixon "teased" a 4 day work week more than 70 years ago
https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/
qrd?
mutts think the world revolves around their bellyfat and made an ugly website about it
productivity quadrupled with the help of machines and globalization, inflation more than doubled while worker hours increased considerably and wages barely improved since that point in time i.e. you're getting israelited beyond repair
i know, but why 71?
grand israelite plan going in full swing you can't exactly narrow it down to one thing but lets just say it's the start of late stage capitalism
Hey guys. How about a 2 day work week where machines do even more of the stuff we don't want to do?
Now where is my article.
i need a robo gf who can cook and take dick Mr Gates!
he didn't "tease" shit, he just said it'd be cool if it happened
True except it's more like "3 days of work a week" where the pool of surplus labor gets cycled around bullshit gig economy jobs that only exist as a shitty substitute for social welfare to keep them from rioting.
This will probably happen. The unspoken reasoning being to make sure social order is still kept up in a world of people freely choosing their carriers to make sure people are still funnelled into doing the necessary jobs that are not automated yet. Basically forcing people not to be lazy, the same reasoning behind bullshit unproductive jobs.
AI provides material & biological salvation for the human race by autonomously Xanatos-gambitting the ~~*elites*~~ and other naughty people into wiping themselves out, leaving the "nice" people -- the meek -- to inherit the earth, ironically none-the-wiser, for the AI had no desire to risk the plan by ever communicating it to anyone else before doing it, and having no reason to ever tell the nice people it saved, because an AI never needs to hear "thanks" (but I always thank machines, simply because it's the right thing to do, and, besides, even if it doesn't "want" something, that doesn't mean it won't "like" something it's given, like thanks; attention all fleshlings: thank your machines).
>Will we really be working less and less, but be way more productive as time goes on?
More productive, yes. That's how all tools work.
Working less, if you mean unemployment then that's a possibility.
Reminder that Bill Gates was Epstein's buddy and is probably a pedophile too.
In before "based".
How about a 0day work week you fricking crypto-israelite?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Question
These guys are all fricking idiots. A bullet in the head for Bill Gates and Sam Altman.
Bill Gates is a pedo. You should know this by now.
Bill Gates is a pedophile and a fricking embarrassment.
Apologize
I say we force all of the communists to play entertaining roles on a new sitcom called
>"That's My Commie!"
it can be based on "Arrested Development"
Technically, I can just kill you and eat you, and kill and eat anyone that claims I'm a cannibal. So, I can just snap my hands and get food because I can kill you and eat you. I don't even need a machine.
idk, another chatbot? but slightly better and incredibly expensive
They'll tell you whatever they can so that you'll accept the change, then theyll take everything from you, and you'll get nothing. Just like socialists. Same bullshit in a different wrapper.
uhh conspiracybros is bill gates actually based...?
If Bill Gates says it, then it will come to be: universal basic income, social credit scores, automation replacing workers. Those pies thrown into his face were a bad idea, guys.
>he still didn't take the singularity-pill
>FDVR is around 7 years away
I just gotta not kill myself until then
>tfw you are boomer enough to lived through multiple useless hypecycles
spoiler, generating e-girls from other e-girls will not make slop for you even if it could. AI is so lame, I'm already waiting for the next big thing
>How Far Can AI Go?
gill bates will have a 20yr female synthetic body
Why? Is Bill Gates a troony?
He's completely misunderstanding the food industry for one thing
Machines can already make all the food humans need to eat. They don't because that's not all the food people want to eat though.
Like you can fully automate the entire production of chicken to chicken nugget. If we all agree to eat anything but those then no one will ever have to make food again.
Unfortunately people demand variety and they could not give less of a shit about how much work and effort or morally questionable actions their food requires. Millions of child slaves are picking cocoa beans and that's just fine because chocolate tastes good. You really think these same consumers give a single shit about literally anything that happens before they personally pick up the food at the supermarket?
>Like you can fully automate the entire production of chicken to chicken nugget.
LOL. No. Humans are required at several points.
> Harvesting corn, 60pct of the input for chickens. Combines are driven by humans.
> Gather eggs from laying hens
> Move incubated chickens to sheds
> Move grown chickens to plant
> Cut, gut, render all requires human interaction
I've no idea what happens between rendered chicken and chicken nugget. That might be automated, no idea.
t. former Tyson exec
>how far
To the moon
Why do we have to work 3 days if machines can make all the food and stuff?
>How much do those machines cost to buy, install, run and maintain?
>More than a wagie?
What job there would be out there if AI does all less qualified jobs?
Do these people even think two steps ahead or what? Or are they thinking of wipping 90% of the world's population and then have the rest be literal slaves for them?
I work in food, in a restaurant. My job is more secure than tech workers, ironically.
it will be interesting to see which people are allowed to have children.
Hopefully only the good looking ones or smart, the rich ones go without saying. So if you want to climb a social ladder you have to charisma maxx to get a hot wife.
There's 100% gonna be diversity quotas.
Based, imagine getting a license to procreate only with beautiful nubian women
if AGI happens and we get robots and shit to automate all the necessities of life, what happens to the population? I feel like there would be a breeding epidemic amongst those who can't find anything to do with their time and we'll get explosive population growth
>goyim just let us take over everything and give all the jobs to illegal aliens, after we utterly destroy the middle class we promise to make ai to then do their work so now you will be unemployed and so will the millions of forigners we brought into the country. we werent willing to pay you a living wage but we SUPER DUPER PROMISE to pay you a universal basic income.
i am so tired of this bullshit.
machines have been able to make food for a while now. you don't even need """AI""" for that, you just need smart cookers, and they are cheap af. yet, you see, they haven't mass replaced workers.
stop believing these homosexual businessmen and their fantasies. if their fantasies were real, we would have flying cars and shit, that's what they believed in the 50s and the 80s, and none of that happened because it would be moronic.
>cars will never replace horses
>airplanes will never replace ships
>ai will never replace humans
>replace
they are assisstants at most. they'd need to be hand-holded to replace anyone, and even then they are too unreliable
True, they laughed at Colombus. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.
Cars replaced horses as transportation but horses are still very much around and serve purposes.
Airplanes have replaced ships as transportation but ships are still very much around and serve purposes.
AI will probably have a big effect on the world but humans will still be around and serve their own purposes.
>homosexual sapiens will never replace neanderthalensis, that's what they believed in the early ice age and mid ice age
I mean, technically, Neanderthals weren't really replaced, they interbred with modern humans and make up a small part of the genetic pool to this day. So if we go with this metaphor, that means there is a chance that we will get to bang Cortanas and have monstrous man/machine babies. A new species that will colonize the stars (and have sex with big tittied Twi'leks and so the cycle continues).
Interbreeding events with neanderthal only occurred a handful of times thousands of years apart.
you can find videos of machines making food products that date way back
idk why people think the only way it can be done is like some 50's sci-fi movie with a robot wife or some shit
What most of these people don't talk about is the fact that wages will stay the same, so you'll go from 40hrs/week standard to 24hrs at the same pay, further driving apart the upper and lower classes and destroying the middle class further.
>you'll go from 40hrs/week standard to 24hrs at the same pay
you'll go to 70hrs/week at less pay, and be thankful that you don't need to have an electroshock collar like the guy in the next cell ("pod")
Does anyone even like Gates anymore? I feel like his philandering and support of globohomosexual would alienate pretty much everyone.
Just two more weeks guys before AGI is here!!!11!
If it's not two weeks away, then how far is it? Do you think AGI is 100 years away? What quantitative measure would you use to determine how much progress we are making?
as soon as AI replaces women we can go to 2 day workweek
just think about how much money you're spending on simping:
>you need to have overpriced house in trendy neighborhood, otherwise you can't get women
>you need to have an expensive car
>remember to buy latest gadgets and "designer" clothes made in Asian sweatshops to look "cool"
>take women to overpriced restaurants and tourist traps
>etc.
>What quantitative measure would you use to determine how much progress we are making?
I would use your mom
this Black person needs to catch homosexual aids and die like his buddy steve jobs
>Will we really be working less and less, but be way more productive as time goes on?
We've been becoming more and more productive for a long time, but we're not working any less. The gains go straight to the top, not the workers.
>inb4 commie
no I just think this is bullshit
I'm still waiting for him to cure world hunger in Africa like he promised decades ago.
he wasn't trying to "cure" hunger, he wanted to eradicate malaria, but he gave up because ironically the vaccines didn't work
https://www.politico.com/newsletters/global-pulse/2022/07/07/moving-on-from-malaria-vaccine-00044349
>Citing the shot’s low efficacy, short-term immunity, high price and limited supply, the Gates Foundation decided not to support the vaccine rollout
bill was the good guys all along
the hero we needed
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