How did this SHIT language become the de facto standard for ML shit?

How did this SHIT language become the de facto standard for ML shit? Frick ython, frick pip, frick conda and everything that comes with it.

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  1. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >filtered by python
    LMAO!

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      The language itself is not the problem you moron. It's the broken tooling.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        your broken tool aka brain is the problem

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don't think there's a single language with a good package manager anon

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Cargo

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          u-uhmmm, Rustaceans, should we tell him?

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          NodeJS and NPM is infinitely better
          >packages are per project project by default
          >an actual package manager rather than a hack with environment variables
          >node version updates rarely break anything (backwards compatibility)
          >Node-API is API stable
          >good tooling for native modules
          >V8 is much faster than Python

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            post handwritten by a boomer, potentially an llm

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Even NuGet is amazing compared to what we had in the '90s. (Nothing.)

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          node is great

          https://i.imgur.com/UMoTs0U.png

          How did this SHIT language become the de facto standard for ML shit? Frick ython, frick pip, frick conda and everything that comes with it.

          simplicity is the best thing, you Black person

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          C

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Maven just werks

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          sirs

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Both npm (with or without yarn/pnpm) and cargo are better.
          Pytards are wrong as usual

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            everytime i use npm i end up building a webapp, so that seems unlikely

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        The problem with Python is how hilariously slow it is compared to doing the same thing in just about any compiler based language. Do the same thing in C and it'll be 100x faster.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Do the same thing in lisp and it'd also be 100x faster. So what?
          >muh c
          go be cnile elsewhere please.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          You see, software is a business. Its cheaper to just pay a bit more for the servers that run the software than to pay for the extra man hours required to develop something in C. This is even more true in software consulting.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Its cheaper to just pay a bit more for the servers that run the software than to pay for the extra man hours required to develop something in C
            shit like this is exactly why the free market can never work.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              >shit like this is exactly why the free market can never work
              leave it to the pants on head moronic commie homosexual to always post the most imbecile thing in a given thread.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >"shouldn't we refactor this so it won't become a problem down the line?"
                >nah, that'd be expensive, we can always throw more resources at it (besides I won't be working here anymore when that happens)
                that's the free market at work: people working according to their own self-interests (even if it results in a net loss)

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Exactly, and there is nothing wrong with what you said. That's why I replied to the commie homosexual nonsense.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >will become a problem down the line
                This is just your opinion and isn’t worth spending money on.
                Deal with it.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              >"shouldn't we refactor this so it won't become a problem down the line?"
              >nah, that'd be expensive, we can always throw more resources at it (besides I won't be working here anymore when that happens)
              that's the free market at work: people working according to their own self-interests (even if it results in a net loss)

              real free market has never been tried

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              >shit like this is exactly why the free market can never work.

              >"shouldn't we refactor this so it won't become a problem down the line?"
              >nah, that'd be expensive, we can always throw more resources at it (besides I won't be working here anymore when that happens)
              that's the free market at work: people working according to their own self-interests (even if it results in a net loss)

              >that's the free market at work: people working according to their own self-interests (even if it results in a net loss)

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            But there was no reason to keep python so slow, especially when it's so fricking popular that guido is a billionaire. Developing a simple jit takes an afternoon and would speed it up 40x+ immediately.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Not enough profit incentive in doing so.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Quite the contrary, when it's not the people writing the software who need to do so (that's HOW people who make languages that become get rich: people contact them and pay them to implement features in the language, this is "consultancy"), can reduce server costs by 40x permanently, and further reduce overhead costs because you don't need as many IT staffs when you don't need the server scale you had.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                no one likes paying upfront for invisible savings that might materialize later. deal with it.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                (You) don't represent the rest of the world, thankfully.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm just saying it like it is.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                You aren't. Otherwise, torvalds wouldn't be worth 500m and guido wouldn't be a billionaire and stroustrup would still be a pauper.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Not enough profit incentive in doing so.

              >Developing a simple jit
              Like PyPy?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                No, like numba but for the entire language. Pypy is a massive hackjob and supports frickall in practice thus any non-trivial code ends up equal or slower with pypy than cpython.
                More like GraalVM with python.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >software is a business. Its cheaper to just pay a bit more for the servers that run the software than to pay for the extra man hours required to develop something in C
            ... or in Rust or in any other compiled language.

            Why are compile gays so dense in the head about why people choose efficiency of human labor over efficiency of computer labor?

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            so much this.
            I'd rather pay for an overpowered gpu once than waiting on some homosexual coding "elegantly" for who knows how long.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          So don't do performance critical stuff in it? Wow so hard.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          moronic take, since in shit like ml, you barely do shit in python, you just call into the c abi

          I don't think there's a single language with a good package manager anon

          cargo is way better, I hate npm, but it's still better than pip and can do local installations without playing with your environment variables

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >cargo is way better
            >i hate npm
            these two statements are directly in contradiction, do you like npm or not

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >do local installations without playing with your environment variables
            why is that a problem? that's what environment variables are for

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >interpreted is slower than compiled
          STOP THE PRESSES

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          it's actually getting faster for a few years now, make sure you aren't using a slow ass outdated version
          3.12 at the end of the year should fix the slow multithreading too

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            I want some of what you're smoking. Python 3 is still slower than 2.7 to this day. It's only getting slower if you use the nuFeatures and no faster if you don't. Also nobody cares that it's 500x slower than C instead of 502x slower.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              you are the one smoking, python 3 is faster than python 2 since the 3.8 version, which is 4 years old.
              and we have been getting big perf boost every major versions since 3.10, which was 2 years ago.
              of course it's slower than C or whatever language gets you off, it should be obvious, but the fact is that it's getting really better.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Cope, seethe, dial 8 pytroony.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >python 3 is faster than python 2 since the 3.8 version
                >shows python 2 vs python 3.7
                you're so smart anon

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Stop believing microbenchmarks. Just because it says micro doesn't mean it's as "good" (says you) as the dicks you like sucking on.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Then optimize moron

  2. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    because it's the best C++ glue language, learnable by normies in a quick amount of time
    people write high performance C/C++ libraries and then control them with python

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      This generation's BASIC, that's why.

      Also this.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      this is so fricking dumb
      have you heard of lua?? that is the best glue languagw

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Use Lua if you need a tiny easily-compiled runtime with as few libraries as possible. Use Python if you need the large and useful standard library conveniently available.
        If you can't figure out that each one has a different general use case, you are fricking moronic.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >have you heard of lua??
        The question is has anybody else heard of it. No and that's why Python is the go to.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        abstraction power of python is superior

  3. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Its used by scientists a lot. Scientists make all the cool ML shit.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/ZsLMJ64.jpg

      because ML/data science works primarily with iterable data structures and python syntax is convenient for that

      >ML
      Ok, I'm already experienced with Python, where do I start with ML?
      I know shit about math and statistics btw.
      I want to use it to find patterns in financial markets, assume that I have the data, is it the right tool?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I know shit about math and statistics btw.
        Start there, then.
        After that, andrew ng coursera, then deeplearning book, then random papers of interest.
        >I want to use it to find patterns in financial markets, assume that I have the data, is it the right tool?
        Basically yes, but actually no. Have fun(?).

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >I know shit about math and statistics btw.
          good place to start
          >I want to use it to find patterns in financial markets
          yeah...
          [...]
          please go be a CS undergrad somewhere else

          >Start there, then
          >good place to start
          I don't think that I have time to learn math, if you have quick math resources that are tailored to understand ML do post them though.
          Pic related is the peak of my math knowledge.

          I don't think there's a single language with a good package manager anon

          If only all the major languages and distros agreed on the same package manager standard...

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I know shit about math and statistics btw.
        good place to start
        >I want to use it to find patterns in financial markets
        yeah...

        L-lol?
        [...]

        please go be a CS undergrad somewhere else

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          I have a PhD in deep learning. You are a nocoder. You haven't even gotten to hello world yet.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            would someone do that, just tell lies on the internet?

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              I don't know why it would be unbelievable, or even surprising. There are quite a few people beside me who also have PhDs, and deep learning has been very popular among tech careers for quite a while now. Combined, isn't obvious there would be some deep learning PhDs here? Answer: yes.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                I don't doubt that there are PhDs on here, I do doubt that poster is one.
                I know the mindset, I used to be like that, you lose it once you get your soul crushed in grad school/employment

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Well, what can I say. Whatever helps you sleep at night, I guess.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Ok, I'm already experienced with Python, where do I start with ML?
        It depends, are you interested in actually having a basic idea of how the algorithms work or do you just want to learn how to plug a dataset into a python library and it does the thing you want?
        >I want to use it to find patterns in financial markets, assume that I have the data, is it the right tool?
        Yes ML is how you would tackle this problem, I have no idea how feasible it'd be to get accurate enough to make money though, I assume if it was more people would be doing it

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Scientists tend to be shit programmers.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Filtered by Python
        BOT everyone

        >engineer

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          t. underageb& nodev

  4. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    AI winter would be my guess. by the time interest in AI was back all the languages who were used for it were long dead.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/UMoTs0U.png

      How did this SHIT language become the de facto standard for ML shit? Frick ython, frick pip, frick conda and everything that comes with it.

      ML people are notoriously bad at programming and real computer science

      People wrote software for python and nobody ported it to better languages. The end.

      this, when important shit does come out then you get stuff like llama.cpp where old school and sady dying off slavs and other remaining uncucked whites will port it to a non shit language

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >ML people are notoriously bad at programming and real computer science

        nuh-uh! ML IS heckin computer science. Programming just gets in the way.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        > ML people are notoriously bad at programming and real computer science
        you could say the same about software cooders and math, don’t get too wienery

  5. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    People wrote software for python and nobody ported it to better languages. The end.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      But all the good packages are coded in C and use Python as a skinsuit

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes. Notice I said 'better' language, not 'worse'.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Would you rather be using R?

        Python's popular data science libraries are mostly FORTRAN.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          No, they're mostly C and C++. LAPACK and BLAS being used in the backend of THOSE C/C++ libraries is not relevant since they're switchable implementations, and especially since in practice we use CUDA versions for everything we can.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Would you rather be using R?
          Yes. Tidyverse is better than anything the pyBlack folk came up with.

  6. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    better than node

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yup, but it does not make Python better

  7. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Researchers and scientists find python easy to learn and work with because it's easy to set up, the syntax is comfy, and there's a lot of support for math and machine learning libraries already there. Most of said libraries run C or C++ on the back end anyway for the number crunching. Almost nobody can be bothered to reimplement everything in lower level languages because whatever paradigm they're using will be outdated in 2 months anyway, by guess what? Another python model. Hope this clears things up for you.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      He didn't say anything about lower level, though. For example, NYU used to use lush, a lisp language with neural network support, and pytorch used to be lua and used to be called torch. Porting effort to python started a little while before tensorflow, mostly motivated by theano. Then pytorch gained huge traction when theano died upon tensorflow's release, because tensorflow was outright unusable. Already people were deeply burned out on keras and how it changes everything every 5 seconds or implements layers wrong/backward with no docs on the subject; people were using lasagne with theano to avoid that crap. Then when theano died, people rushed to pytorch since it as the only reasonable framework left. Not before trying out scroogle's new trash, though. But I digress, the point is that it could have been lua, technically could have been lisp even though anti-parenthesis shills wouldn't hear of it, could even have been matlab or R (thank god it wasn't).

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        lisp autist detected

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Try reading the post first at least.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        excuse my moronation, but isnt Lua mainly for scripting within c++ programs, so said program is the caller? Unlike python scripts which are directly and call into c++ libs?

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Just as js can be used for standalone programs, not merely as a scripting language in a web browser, so, too, can lua be used for standalone scripts (especially with luajit). Lua was indeed designed with good C/C++ embedding in mind, but that's hardly relevant, except inasmuch as you could have a C++ program for a "runtime environment" binary and use lua to manipulate a deep learning system that way, though that has never been done before.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          lua is easy to embed into c++ but I don't you can easily call c++ library from external lua program without writing bindings.
          python has some tooling to generate the bindings, some better some worse

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >python has some tooling to generate the bindings, some better some worse
            Not any more than lua does. You're thinking of C FFI's, which are all shit and broken, and aren't binding generators. A binding generator is something like SWIG or chicken scheme's EasyFFI (while an FFI, it does automatic binding generation behind the scene at compile time through macros as a second layer, which allows calling C functions without writing any glue code at all).

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Already people were deeply burned out on keras and how it changes everything every 5 seconds or implements layers wrong/backward with no docs on the subject
        Examples?

  8. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    why has noone made a compiled version of python? would fix all the speed issues

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      chat he doesn't know

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Go back

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      no it wouldn't, look at pypy

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >just in time compilation
        not what i meant

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Compiling or not is not inherently the problem. But the answer is that python is completely ad hoc, no spec, and it changes drastically between even minor versions, even at the bytecode level. Current techniques include jit compilation by e.g. pypy, a C-flavored python language called cython, that has support for interacting with python code, inline JIT compilation via the likes of numba, and VM-based fast execution with, for instance, graalvm. Numba is the only one that works consistently, but it only supports a small subset of python code. It JIT's the bytecode directly which is why it works so much better than the other approaches.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Python is good though, setuptools/pip is a clusterfrick, never used conda.

      Cython.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Conda is infinitely nicer than pip+virtualenv, but still a clusterfrick.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      You can't make Python a decent speed without breaking backwards compatibility. It's too dynamic and the object layout is absolute dogshit. The incredible inefficient object layout isn't actually specified in the Python standard but they still can't change it without breaking a ton of important C extensions.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >why has noone made a compiled version of python?
      they have?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Is that a question or a statement?
        If it's a statement, why the question mark?

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          because I'm confused as to why someone would be stupid enough to say "they should do X" without checking to see if they've done X. when a thought randomly pops into your head do you gays just go "damn I must be literally the first person to have ever thought of this, better not check though"?

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >because I'm confused
            Then make your statement and express your confusion, don't turn your statement into a question.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Try googling your stupid fricking thoughts next time anon.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not the one who made the original post you replied to, moron.
                I'm just commenting on your reddit speech pattern.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'll defer to your expert opinion on how redditors talk.

  9. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    "mypyc" does that, it compiles to C.
    It work quite well but doesn't support all the langage. If you're already using a type checker for your script you should give it a try

  10. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    because python is fantastic language in so many ways. only unemployed highschoolers larping as senior devs disagree

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      t. highschool dropout

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      t. CompSci high school senior without work experience

  11. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    because ML/data science works primarily with iterable data structures and python syntax is convenient for that

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      L-lol?

      [...]

  12. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because it's easy syntax to learn and allows for quick prototyping. I didn't do a PhD so I could waste half my day optimising code.

  13. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why is the Python environment so shit? Why does everyone tell you to use virtual environments? Out of all the other languages I've learned, only Python has this dumb shit.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why do you think I created this thread. This shit triggers me.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Let me guess, the other languages you have used are PHP and Javascript.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Acshully it's C, C++, Rust, OCaml, Common LIsp, Racket, Chicken Scheme, OpenDylan, Delphi, C#, Java, aarch64 asm, and x86_64 asm.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >took the bait
          So not only is it clear you are just a college kid who learned to compile hello world in half a dozen languages, you haven't used any scripting languages. So you don't understand the problem domain.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            That's a lot of projection and self-own I see. Why are you so intimidated by the languages I have used for real world programming? Or, perhaps you're jealous that you are stuck with javas'crap at work?

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          That's a lot of projection and self-own I see. Why are you so intimidated by the languages I have used for real world programming? Or, perhaps you're jealous that you are stuck with javas'crap at work?

          reddit blackout really hitting you hard

  14. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ruby was too good and beautiful for this clown world

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ruby's tooling is worse than Python's.
      The only difference is that you don't have college dropouts with tiktok-fried brains trying to do advanced ML shit with Ruby, giving up after 15 minutes and starting threads about to cry about it like OP.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >tooling
        what
        be specific

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          gems, rbenv, rvm, all that shit.
          Ruby dependency hell is the same as python's. In fact it's worse in my experience.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        yah sure

        bundler practically invented usable package management for a programming language

        python still doesn't have a coherent package manager, it's been THREE DECADES

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          delusional
          bundle install fails all the time thanks to shitty dependencies.
          the problem with all these languages is the devs who write libraries and the devs who use them trying to cope for their abject failure to maintain stable APIs.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Perl invented real packages with perlmod. Ruby is an upgrade to perl and brought modules, aka gems, with it.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            GEMS???

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Ruby tooling isn't great but it's nowhere near as bad as Python. Bundler is de fact standard and better than any of the 27 different solutions Python has. Beyond package management, Ruby has better, nearly lisp-tier interactive debugging/programming/live-coding too. Python has... Jupyter lmao.
        rbenv and environment managers kinda suck, I admit that, but they suck in Python too.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          There is only one de facto package manager for python and it's pip. Even when using conda for environment management, you use pip for package management anyway, not conda.
          It's true, though, jupyter is literally a hack to get lisp-like image-based development, but it's such a broken piece of shit and does basically everything wrong, it's hilarious.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >There is only one de facto package manager for python and it's pip

            too bad real world don't work that way, for money you'll have to deal with everything non-defacto

  15. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    because ML is for homosexuals who can't write real code.

  16. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >How did this SHIT language become the de facto standard for ML shit?
    By figuring out how to make you seethe

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      read your post a few times and think about whether it makes sense

  17. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just use Julia

  18. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    install lua

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      even worse

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'm using Torch 6, stay mad

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >arrays start at 1
      Leave it to the Hues to come up with such blasphemy.
      Anyone used to normal languages, will get hit by off by one bugs using Lua

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        A lot (not all) of pseudocode (and math) is 1-indexed, so that problem will always exist anyway.

  19. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    THREE DECADES and python is still unusable

    >clojure is a finished product
    >ruby is getting performance improvements and has practially expanded onto BEAM and LLVM
    >C89
    >C++ 11
    >Java 11

    everything that's worth a damn has been usable for at least a decade now

    only python, php, and javascript have coherency problems
    small learning curve attracts least common denominator people and makes unusable shit popular

  20. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >How did this SHIT language become the de facto standard for ML shit?

    AI and ML people are not the best coders do you know? Most don't even actually know how to code in a professional level, they know the equations and what they want to get done. Python is good for this.

    The syntax is not bad, GIL is the cancer, need to use numpy to have half decent arrays is the proof that the core is corrupted. The language HAD potential, see codon for example, but the main stream use and libs in other languages make python a Frankenstein not a language.

  21. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    How is the adoption of pyproject.toml doing in the real world?
    https://blogs.gentoo.org/mgorny/2021/11/07/the-future-of-python-build-systems-and-gentoo/

  22. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Python has gained popularity as a programming language due to its simplicity, readability, and versatility. It is easy to learn and use, making it ideal for beginners and experienced programmers alike. Additionally, there are many libraries available for machine learning tasks such as scikit-learn, TensorFlow, Keras, PyTorch, etc., which make it easier to develop and deploy machine learning models. Furthermore, Python's integration with other tools like Jupyter Notebook makes data analysis and visualization more accessible than ever before. Overall, these factors have contributed to Python becoming the go-to language for machine learning projects.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Thank you GPT-kun, very cool.

  23. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't understand why Python became so popular either.
    I can't think of a single situation I would prefer Python if I had the choice.
    >I overdosed on Alan Kay writings and fell for the "dynamic types and message-passing language" meme
    If you're one of these people you're on Ruby, Smalltalk, Lisp, Erlang
    >I don't give a shit about the language, I just want a thin layer of C/C++ and the most moron-proof bindings possible
    This is Lua
    >I'm a system admin and want to shit out scripts to do my job
    Perl is more unixy and, although people shit on the one-liners, they are copy-pasteable into a terminal window, which is nice if your an admin
    >I'm a statsgay
    R + tidyverse is better than anything Python has
    >I'm an engineer
    I hate to say it, but Matlab has all those proprietary drivers for lab equipment. You can plug it into any random oscilloscope and it just werks. The actual langauge kinda sucks but eng Chads are getting shit done, not jerk over language syntax.

    So I don't get it. Maybe because Python would be like the 2-4th best option for all of these so it kind of has the closes average.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >lisp
      >lua
      >perl
      >matlab

      Are you delusional

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Matlab is an abomination, but somehow you managed to not name R, which is even worse. Lisp and lua are god-tier. Lua even satisfies baby ducks like you.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I can't think of a single situation I would prefer Python if I had the choice.
      I use it as a shellscript replacement(most of the times) and I don't like Perl.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >coming up with increasingly delusional mental gymnastics so you can justify falling for another BOT meme
      tiresome

      The problem with Python is how hilariously slow it is compared to doing the same thing in just about any compiler based language. Do the same thing in C and it'll be 100x faster.

      no shit

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      It Hit the point of no return. Everyone was told it was the easiest language for newbies and lots of people stuck around and developed modules for it. Its just too big now.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why python is shit:
      1. Performance. wait till Black person business group writes code thats slow and offloads the processing to you because their Black person code doesnt scale
      2. Documentation sucks ass
      2.1 Core docs suck
      2.2 "typing" always buried in modules. e.g., cant find the type of a boto3 object; need to grep through code to find types
      2.3 Often wrong. e.g., websockets
      2.4 every Black person and their Black person mother make blogs about how to do X problem shitting up web results
      3. Linting is shit
      3.1 e.g., websockets, AWS, json
      3.2 50 different types Dict[] vs dict. Any vs any
      3.3 ugly shitty typing syntax Black person[Black person]
      3.4 often have to import types and do lib.homosexual_type
      4. Libraries are shit
      4.1 JSON has no object mapper
      5. Error messages are shit, you get better errors in C
      6. Many packages are incompatable with static analysis
      6.1 dataclass_json
      7. No common serialization and deserialization. You'd imagine a glue language would have a good way of transforming all data types to and from serial forms. No each lib has their own way and its all shit all the time.
      8. len
      9. pythonic. homosexual
      10. whitespace Black person
      10.1 copy paste code, too bad Black person cant auto format whitespace is syntax
      11. package managing nothings good. everything is duct tape

      Black person Black person only use this Black person lang because the libraries and ubiquitous Black person

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >1. Performance. wait till Black person business group writes code thats slow and offloads the processing to you because their Black person code doesnt scale
        don't hire Black folk and don't work with Black folk, simple as
        >2. Documentation sucks ass
        >2.1 Core docs suck
        what's wrong with the docs? they're great
        >2.2 "typing" always buried in modules. e.g., cant find the type of a boto3 object; need to grep through code to find types
        >2.3 Often wrong. e.g., websockets
        the frick are you typing for? memory is being dynamically allocated by the python interpreter anyway, you do realize types were originally made to tell the compiler how much memory needed to be allocated right?
        >2.4 every Black person and their Black person mother make blogs about how to do X problem shitting up web results
        more code to copy and paste from, not a problem
        >3. Linting is shit
        >3.1 e.g., websockets, AWS, json
        what the frick are you linting for? Either the code runs or it doesn't
        >3.2 50 different types Dict[] vs dict. Any vs any
        actually every mutable type in python is just a wrapper around dicts, and almost all the immutable types you'll ever see are just the 4 built-ins (numbers, strings, tuples, frozen sets)
        >3.3 ugly shitty typing syntax Black person[Black person]
        Stop capitalizing your variable names you Black person
        >3.4 often have to import types and do lib.homosexual_type
        from lib import homosexual_type wasn't that hard
        >4. Libraries are shit
        >4.1 JSON has no object mapper
        objects are just fancy wrappers for dicts, which JSON is.
        >5. Error messages are shit, you get better errors in C
        wtf you get a full stack trace it's great
        >6. Many packages are incompatable with static analysis
        stop doing static analysis Black person. why would you work to statisfy your compiler's arbitrary wants. if you wrote the code you know if it works or how to debug it

        1/2

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          This is the worst bait I've ever seen.
          >Python docs are good
          >Static analysis is bad
          >Just write unreadable code
          >Just have 50% of your code be imports
          Just look at regex docs for python and then compare it to C++. You have to read a homosexual ass essay to get any info

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Just look at regex docs for python and then compare it to C++. You have to read a homosexual ass essay to get any info
            That's because you read the tutorial instead of the docs. The docs for regex are as straightforward as any other docs

            docs are good
            yes
            analysis is bad
            yes
            >>Just write unreadable code
            whitespace is the best thing for readability, as is keeping lines short and using descriptive variable names written in snake case
            >>Just have 50% of your code be imports
            yes

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Anon, it's clearly not the worst bait you've ever seen since you're responding.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >1. Performance. wait till Black person business group writes code thats slow and offloads the processing to you because their Black person code doesnt scale
        don't hire Black folk and don't work with Black folk, simple as
        >2. Documentation sucks ass
        >2.1 Core docs suck
        what's wrong with the docs? they're great
        >2.2 "typing" always buried in modules. e.g., cant find the type of a boto3 object; need to grep through code to find types
        >2.3 Often wrong. e.g., websockets
        the frick are you typing for? memory is being dynamically allocated by the python interpreter anyway, you do realize types were originally made to tell the compiler how much memory needed to be allocated right?
        >2.4 every Black person and their Black person mother make blogs about how to do X problem shitting up web results
        more code to copy and paste from, not a problem
        >3. Linting is shit
        >3.1 e.g., websockets, AWS, json
        what the frick are you linting for? Either the code runs or it doesn't
        >3.2 50 different types Dict[] vs dict. Any vs any
        actually every mutable type in python is just a wrapper around dicts, and almost all the immutable types you'll ever see are just the 4 built-ins (numbers, strings, tuples, frozen sets)
        >3.3 ugly shitty typing syntax Black person[Black person]
        Stop capitalizing your variable names you Black person
        >3.4 often have to import types and do lib.homosexual_type
        from lib import homosexual_type wasn't that hard
        >4. Libraries are shit
        >4.1 JSON has no object mapper
        objects are just fancy wrappers for dicts, which JSON is.
        >5. Error messages are shit, you get better errors in C
        wtf you get a full stack trace it's great
        >6. Many packages are incompatable with static analysis
        stop doing static analysis Black person. why would you work to statisfy your compiler's arbitrary wants. if you wrote the code you know if it works or how to debug it

        1/2

        >6.1 dataclass_json
        don't know what this is, don't care
        >7. No common serialization and deserialization. You'd imagine a glue language would have a good way of transforming all data types to and from serial forms. No each lib has their own way and its all shit all the time.
        pickle
        >8. len
        is this an objection? "oh I hate functions who's use is predictable"
        >9. pythonic. homosexual
        >10. whitespace Black person
        pythonic show someone who knows what their code does.
        whitespace is the ultimate way to enforce readability, that's why python doesn't give a shit about linting
        >10.1 copy paste code, too bad Black person cant auto format whitespace is syntax
        good, gives you a chance to read the code as you fix the whitespace
        >11. package managing nothings good. everything is duct tape
        pip is great

        picrel is you with all your tools for "safe programming"

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >cant find the type of a boto3 object
        skill issue

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        there is literally nothing a wrong with the whitespace
        you're using whitespace anyway to arrange your code anyway

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      The other one
      >moron Oriented Programming enjoyers
      are now all using Go. Dumb simple language with only one way to do things.
      I liked Python 2.7 but they've added lots of shit to the language, it's not really a simple language anymore.

  24. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Seething comp "science" cuck filtered by Chad physicist invention yet again!

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      ?
      Physicists are the ones using python, which was made by a "cs cuck".

  25. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I thought physicists used c++ because of the parallel programming allowing to run wave simulations faster on GPU’s.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Physicists let the giga-autist numerical physicists do that and wrap it up for us in a nice python package

  26. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    cniles had to pick up the next moronic thing next to them

  27. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I FRICKING HATE THE GIL I FRICKING HATE THE GIL I FRICKING HATE THE GIL!!!!! REEEEEEE

    >J-JUST RELEASE IT OR USE MULTIPROCESSING

    OKAY NOW EVERY. FRICKING. FUNCTION. NEEDS. TO. BE. PICKLEABLE.

    I HATE THE GIL

  28. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Python is b-ACK!

    BACK

  29. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    If I want to run a certain version of Python software, that runs only on a certain version of python and needs fixed versions of dependencies, I download all that shit (software, python and dependencies) and save it away so if I ever need to re-install that exact shit again all the files are ready to go. Anything else is a world of pain. Expecting the internet to save your shit for you is low effort.

  30. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    conda and pytorch-lightning are cancer
    the rest is fine

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Pytorch-lightning is such a profoundly pajeety abomination, how can anyone unironically use that garbage is completely beyond me, but then again some people use tensorflow and keras.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's such a cult. I remember pytorch-lightning's devs actively shilling their shit on reddit

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Pytorch-lightning is such a profoundly pajeety abomination, how can anyone unironically use that garbage is completely beyond me, but then again some people use tensorflow and keras.

          What? You don't like a moronic abstraction layer that does not add anything to your model except for deprecated features? And moronic ass implementations of models that you can find everywhere else??

          Honestly the team I joined used it for prototyping and even then I absolutely don't get the point. I moved everything back to pytorch, at least all of our production inference code.

          I didnt witness the shilling, what were they even selling it as? Like why would pytorch need it's version of keras? Keras is only useful because tf is or was messy all around. Pytorch has its own moronic feature chasing and deprecation hamster wheel (only for non core features though), but it's super manageable still.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I didnt witness the shilling, what were they even selling it as?
            something something "if more people use it, we can accelerate ml development because of standardization" and then constantly fight back the arguments against pytorch-lighting on reddit

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        [...]

        What? You don't like a moronic abstraction layer that does not add anything to your model except for deprecated features? And moronic ass implementations of models that you can find everywhere else??

        Honestly the team I joined used it for prototyping and even then I absolutely don't get the point. I moved everything back to pytorch, at least all of our production inference code.

        I didnt witness the shilling, what were they even selling it as? Like why would pytorch need it's version of keras? Keras is only useful because tf is or was messy all around. Pytorch has its own moronic feature chasing and deprecation hamster wheel (only for non core features though), but it's super manageable still.

        >t. nocoders allergic to getting shit done

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Pytorch-lightning literally requires MORE boilerplate while being LESS flexible for the same thing. It does the precise opposite of "getting things done".

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Pytorch-lightning literally requires MORE boilerplate
            Bullshit.
            model = Autoencoder()
            trainer = L.Trainer(accelerator="gpu", devices=4)
            trainer.fit(model, mnist_train, mnist_val)

            Let's see your alternative.
            >while being LESS flexible for the same thing
            Bullshit.
            https://lightning.ai/docs/pytorch/stable/starter/introduction.html#maximize-flexibility

            >t. model tinkertroony

            You have never deployed a single useful model in prod, much less worked on a model that didn't come straight from some premade lightning bolts trash implementations lmfao. I'm sure it gets you to a pretrained yolo hello world equivalent very fast so it makes you feel you actually did something lol.

            Imagine getting filtered by vanilla pytorch jfl hahahaha

            Hello, projecting looney troon. No wonder you talk like a predditor.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Who pays you to make these negative-effort shill posts, pajeet? I wouldn't even give you 0.02 rupees for this crap.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >t. model tinkertroony

          You have never deployed a single useful model in prod, much less worked on a model that didn't come straight from some premade lightning bolts trash implementations lmfao. I'm sure it gets you to a pretrained yolo hello world equivalent very fast so it makes you feel you actually did something lol.

          Imagine getting filtered by vanilla pytorch jfl hahahaha

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          having another dependency that adds little to no benefit is anti-pattern

  31. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    what other languages have list comprehensions?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      - List comprehensions are shit. Cruft at best.
      - Haskell

  32. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Chris Lattner (from Clang/LLVM) and a bunch of Google and Facebook engineers are working on a new language called Mojo specifically for AI. Syntactically it's quite similar to Python but it makes much better decisions in terms of performance.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >The Mojo standard library, compiler, and runtime are not available for local development yet, so we created a hosted development environment where you can try it out. We call it the Mojo Playground!
      You'll own nothing and be happy

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's moronic garbage.

  33. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >frick pip
    homie you type "pip install library" and library installs

  34. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I love python, reading/writing it, pip, conda, environments...see github..I can quickly start working on it myself if I want. ez.

  35. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Want to know how I know this board is full of larpers. Not one person brought up the python REPL yet, the actual reason why you want to write ML code in python instead of C++ or some other compiled language

  36. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    If the package manager is so bad why has no one written a good one?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      theres poetry

  37. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    what
    would you rather they chose R?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      R is actually pretty based but lacks scaling for real ML or computer vision use.

  38. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    WHY do you hate python?

  39. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Frick python really. Frick your moronic whitespace sensitive shit. Frick your global lock. Frick your GC.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Python uses refcount, not GC. The GC is only relevant when you have cycles (which you never have).

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      nothing wrong with whitespace, moron

  40. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    bump I didn't write all that shit out to fall off the page now

  41. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    hating python is the ultimate midwit opinion. here's a list of people who hate python:
    >gays who just decide to hate whatever is popular in lieu of actually knowing things or forming their own opinions
    >unemployed nocoders who just repeat things they saw on 4chins
    >people incapable of learning more than one language, or incapable of discerning what language they should use to approach a problem and think they'll just learn one universal language that will somehow be perfect for every application
    >people who somehow got filtered by something simple like pip or somehow fricked up their environment
    >people who have never written anything that needs to be performant or resource-constrained who've decided to larp as embedded programmers even though their shitty little script would have been 1000 times quicker to write in Python (but I needed this noncritical task that runs twice a day to complete in 1ms instead of 37ms because I JUST DO OKAY?!)
    >geniuses that don't realize that the parts of their favorite library that actually need to be performant are written in C anyway
    get a job you stupid fricking hippies

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      option D: people that have python shoehorned somewhere in their daily work but are experienced enough to understand it has no place there when better options exist

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >option D

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I worked on a 450k sloc Python monolith, which included a custom templating framework and an interpreter for a DSL for generating business reports.
      I have PTSD from all that shit code and the """Pythonistas""" who wrote that fricking thing and were PROUD OF IT.
      People who specialize in Python are legitimately bad developers and the language is a blight on the world.

      That said, it's fine to use Python for throw-away shit you don't care about.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Pythonista
        Normies were a mistake.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >muh normies
          If you would have worked in the software industry you'd know that most software devs are indeed normalgays with gf's/wives, children, friends, hobbies that don't involve computers etc.. This type of sentiment is often common among students and NEETs who think being able to program is somehow mutually exclusive with having a normal social life.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Maybe if you're a webshitter or """pythonista""".

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              I worked in embedded, not as a dev, but as a technician and later as an integration engineer which are basically the same. Dev teams there are literally the most normal people you'd see ever. The last team I've been a part of wouldn't look out of place managing a department store.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Nice cope. My company has projects in multiple fields (including but not limited to backend systems for financial software, enterprise CRM and embedded software for various industries) and employs around ~150 developers. The majority of them are what you'd call a "normie" (absolute reddit newbie lingo). Better accept the fact software dev isn't some social outcast clubhouse before you enter your first job, that way you aren't in for such a massive shock.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            They didn't used to be. They did have wives and shit but they were inherently misfits, and all the people who participated in shit you've heard of had PhDs or dropped out of one (a fact I only learned about recently, even in videogames it was like that back in the ps1 era, let alone in OSs in the 30's to well into the 80's). By misfits I mean that they were almost all very eccentric characters with quirks and social disabilities profound enough to be noted by their coworkers.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Or, you know, people who actually have to use python for work.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        If you work for a shitty company with incompetent leadership and lazy programmers, your codebase if going to be garbage no matter what the language (they were dumb enough to hire you, after all).

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          t. NEET

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'm sorry to hear about your moron coworkers but

        If you work for a shitty company with incompetent leadership and lazy programmers, your codebase if going to be garbage no matter what the language (they were dumb enough to hire you, after all).

        is 100% right and literally any language will be hated if you're forced into using it for work by morons.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Of course he's right about that part, but it's completely irrelevant. You can't find a single working professional who likes using python. Are you saying that the only places that hire python users are shitty? Then that's a self-defeating angle.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >You can't find a single working professional who likes using python.
            If you're going to larp as someone who has ever held a job above "fry cook" or "stockboy" then at least try to be more subtle about it.
            I've worked for a decade as an embedded RTOS avionics software engineer and yet I love Python for basically every part of our environment/testing/build process that benefits from using a scripting language.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Oh, it's the resident schizo again. Should've known. Have you figured out how to not segfault your hello world program yet? Or are you still too busy fapping to MISRA-C to get there?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Oh, it's the resident schizo again.
                The fact that you've invented some other anon in your mind to project your illness onto says all I need to know about you. Take your meds and get an actual job that isn't "BOT shitposter".

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Take your meds, schizo.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                t. NEET

                >no U and buzzwords
                Stay poor and unemployed.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >You can't find a single working professional who likes using python
            I can. YOU can't, because you don't know any working professionals, the only programmers you know are nobody gamedevs you follow on twitch.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Well then I'm waiting. Where is this magical python liker? I worked at microsoft, google, and a few startups you've never heard of. I've done a bit of everything except webtardation. I'm still waiting to find anyone who likes python.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                t. NEET

                >they are actually proud of being slaves
                point and laugh

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >You can't find a single working professional who likes using python.
            who the frick is stupid enough to believe this. I don't even think YOU are stupid enough to believe that

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              t. NEET

  42. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because the level of introspection and reflection it provides allows for writing idiot-proof code. Take the pad function of the Huggingface's SequenceFeatureExtractor, for example:

    processed_features: Union[
    BatchFeature,
    List[BatchFeature],
    Dict[str, BatchFeature],
    Dict[str, List[BatchFeature]],
    List[Dict[str, BatchFeature]],
    ],

    This one can take a BatchFeature, which is basically a subclassed dict, but also either a tuple or a list of it, but then again many other nested collections. The method then does all sorts of transformations including on the arguments themselves, converts the underlying data (1D floats basically) to numpy arrays and calls another method, _pad, that makes them all the same rank by padding them with zeros or whatever the padding strategy is desired.
    I've been translating it to Kotlin and dealing with Any? all the time is a pain in the ass (not to mention Kotlin's rather limited reflection capabilities) and not doing it the standard Java way (method overloading) makes for a very tedious work.
    But for non-Python wizards, typing pip install transformers and importing Wav2VecProcessor and just shoving it with data and the library doing all the pseudo low level stuff means that pretty much everyone with a gram of brain and enough computing powah can train produce a deep learning model by writing just a few lines of Python code.
    So in essence, the libraries and packages around ML shit are written for non-coders in sight and the language's design allows for that.
    N.B. this is not a ChatGPT post although it might read like one.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      it's almost like not doing tedious work and things working is... le good?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Oh yeah, I agree wholeheartedly, I love Python. I also like how Huggingface's transformers are written. They are over engineered for sure, but it certainly leads to less code because it is a dynamically typed language after all, when compared to Kotlin for example. Being able to allow the end user a tolerance for what they give your functions and adapting to it before you do the actual gist of preprocessing is very cool. And this tiny (compared to the actual number crunching underneath) overhead is of no particular meaning to the end user. I was just trying to give my impressions why Python is the de facto ML language.

  43. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >i will type many words but not say anything meaningful

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      ok here is something meaningful - it does not matter what language you use as long as you get something done with it. i and a lot of my peer can get a lot done with python.

  44. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    You're not wrong. All things considered, it presently manages to beat all alternatives.
    At least they didn't choose PHP or Javascript.

  45. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Look on the bright side: at least it's not javascript.

  46. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Python has some of the worst tooling i've seen in a semi-modern language and every python software is like 50% tooling.
    >pip env, conda etc
    Which is honestly the main reason why I think Go will outdo it in the long run. The tooling is good and running go software involves you typing "go run" instead of futzing about with environments and package managers.

  47. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Businesses don't know or care how fast their code is. The internal software at most companies is a complete fricking mess that will never be fixed because everyone's hiring pajeets to write godawful code and plug Microsoft Solutions into everything. At this point the pajeets are just functional randomware and the only way to sort the whole mess out would be to start from scratch with competent engineers, but THAT ain't happening.

  48. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Python is really popular with third worlders like indians and slavs.

  49. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    School.

  50. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >favorite programming language of third worlders
    >favorite programming language of beginners
    >favorite programming language of career shifters/bootcampers
    Gee I wonder why

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      that's JavaScript

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      you forgot:
      >favorite programming language of geniuses and cool people

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Name one cool person or one genius who likes python in any capacity. I'll wait.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Me, i'm cool as shit.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      You're thinking of Jabba and Jabbascript

  51. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >open linkedin and search computer vision jobs
    >they require c++
    Why the frick do you even need it? I've never used c++ in my entire ML engineer career

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Computer vision means old-style sift and hog and Fourier analysis, correlations and ad-hoc algos, not deep learning. Some people really hard 50 years behind the time and refuse to evolve.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >import jax.numpy

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I've never used c++ in my entire ML engineer career
      >career
      Copying code from youtube videos isn't engineering

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Which part of your job needs custom c++ implementation?

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Model training and external libraries.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            You are so moronic that I'm getting second-hand embarrassment from your post.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Says the third worlder who didn't use C++ for ML. How's bootcamp going juan?

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            cringe

  52. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >look i'm a jobless NEET but at least I wrote my calculator in C for da real hackerz not in heckin python for kids

  53. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Python is a fricking overglorified TI-84 calculator. It should be used by noobs to learn how to code, script simple stuff or compute problems and uses like numpy and Pandas are ok in a scientific field.

    But making websites and other enterprise level software with Python is a extremly stupid idea and everyone who insists on it deserves every error which occurs in Python. TypeError, Python 2 and 3 issues, optional strong typing, pip, you name it.

  54. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Python is quite good. It has a lot of libraries that help you build interesting stuff, and comfy frameworks that make it easy to put it on the web. With JavaScript, for example, you can only build generic type of sites.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Which AI did you use to generate this amazingly moronic post?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        prove it wrong, gay

  55. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    The language itself is fine, it's the tooling that's is garbage because it as mean to be a scripting language for glue code but now it has been lifted to the dignity of "full programming language" that it was never meant to have, and the PSF people are stuck in the 90s and delusional and refuse to standardize proper tooling

  56. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Do you use PyPy or Cython?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      pypy never works and cython isn't python-compatible, so cpython.

  57. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's easy to learn for non-programmers and scientists from other domains could easily start to use it and contribute to machine learning research. Is this really not obvious?

  58. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    It does attract homosexuals because the learning curve is low. I know a guy who writes python scripts in layers upon layers of abstractions like java. Frick that guy

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      in the time it takes you to push your repos first commit, 20 new data quality management frameworks were released on pip, with 20 different factory method signatures that output 20 slightly differently wrapped namedtuples and you somehow need to test them all

      youd best get abstracting boy

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don't mind proper abstraction, but doing it for the sake of "future proof" or "not abstract enough" is insane

  59. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    indeed, you have actual ML languages like standard ml and ocaml, why go for python to do ML..??

  60. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    python is based. pip install whatever in your venv/container works fine for people with jobs (well paid, btw)
    the thing I hate though is that it follows 90s OOP rules, so lots of the most popular modules are implemented as single-method classes with like 10 stacks of inheritances that you have to scroll past in every stack trace

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      t. never used python

  61. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    We could all be using Nim

  62. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    sex-havers use python.

  63. 10 months ago
    Anonymous
  64. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    When you open a console in a video game, do you also seethe that it's written in lua?
    Python is the public API for a shitload of c/c++ libs. If you don't want to use it, then you're more than welcome to write your own interface in whatever lang you please.
    >Protip: you won't because you can't

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