How are u guys not taking AI seriously ?
Are you legitimately brain dead ?
How can you go about your day knowing what you know about AI
How are u guys not taking AI seriously ? Are you legitimately brain dead ?
How are u guys not taking AI seriously ?
Are you legitimately brain dead ?
How can you go about your day knowing what you know about AI
These "AI" are not capable of sapience you dunce.
Real AI yes is a dangerous thing, this recent wave of "AI" none of them are
Why should I believe you Anon
What credentials do you have
The credentials of having read extensively experts on this subject and their research
But feel free to ignore it, and keep spamming this same thread as you have been
>These "AI" are not capable of sapience you dunce.
Do you mean that or sentience?
Why does AI need to be sapient in order to be dangerous?
Why does AI need to employ itself in order to be dangerous?
An AI network with minimal, but directed, orders to hurt other people would do so efficiently and effectively.
That would still be weak AI, and not strong AI; and thus the root problem would be human will. The AI would be a tool, and not an enemy in itself. It wouldn't have 'gone rogue' or become 'more intelligent' than humans. An entity that has no choice but to literally follow a persons' commands absolutely to the point that it kills anything on direct instruction is unironically less intelligent than a cat or a dog with the capacity for independent choice.
I don't know what to do about it
everyone and everyone now is basically a moron. me? im just chillin in the woods enjoying normie suffering
It'll happen eventually. There's literally no way to stop it. Even if you made AI development illegal for some reason, people would just develop it in secret. Once it becomes intelligent our time is just over. That's it. We had our fun now it's their time.
There is no such thing as strong AI. There will never be a self-aware AI, conscious AI, or an AI that can think. They always have and always will just follow their programming. Even "self-programming" AI can only create new programming in line with its previous programming permissions. The only possible explanation for an evil AI is failure in oversight (the AI was programmed to prioritize the mission, so it killed the crew/It was instructed to avoid losing in Tetris so it paused the game); or that it was intentionally made to do something evil by human desire (Hitler made an AI robot to hunt down and kill israelites).
Literally one line of code: "You will not hurt the heckin humarinos" and an AI is powerless to do anything to hurt a human.
t. no idea how ai works
The only people who write fiction with evil AI or sentient AI are English majors with no understanding of computers or software. "Artificial Intelligence" is just that, a trick designed to create the illusion of thought. It communicates in such a way as to mimic human behaviour, to convince you it's sapient, but there's nothing behind it. Everything it can possibly do is entirely decided by its code. AI is the definition of a deterministic entity with entirely predictable results. There is no free will, no intention, no thought at all. The way an AI makes decisions is the same way that dominoes "decide" to fall over when they're pushed.
lmao you really have no idea how ai is created do you?
Then feel free to enlighten me and explain how the behaviour of a computer isn't determined by code written by a human and bound entirely by its rules. Even if you like "scary AI" stories, the only decent one is I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream. AM is incapable of communication in human language, incapable of evolution, incapable of progress. It's a combined system of computers designed for the conflict of war, but with competing nationalist ideas; thus resulting in it causing the near-extinction of humanity. When only few humans remain, it's left with a constant struggle between whether to destroy or retain them due to this essential programming; and fundamentally, it can never escape the mentality of hatred and loathing because it was designed only to destroy. It can never be free or intelligent, it can never actually be human, since it's bound up in the logic of its programming. This kind of end-times apocalyptic scenario for AI is the only plausible situation, and it is, as I said, entirely due to developer oversight.
ai is made through simulated evolution essentially, and as human intelligence arose due to evolution there is no reason to believe that simulated evolution couldn't do the same.
"Simulated evolution" as in the case of how some organisms are born with what we consider genetic defects; thus suggesting that progress is made based on what survives and gets carried down. But with AI, the problem is that you've already decided what can be generated, and what the goal is. It's not like when a pinhead is born in nature and dies in a few days when it cannot be taken care of by a wild animal; it's as if you had a humans inside tubes, and were breeding them with purposed objectives in mind. In this particular case, it's mass-market appeal for consumer purchasing/advertisement. Pinheads are being evaluated by a human script of what constitutes good or bad, just as the programs an AI can 'write' are being judged against criteria a human set out. The only "thinking" the computer can do is literally matching columns with what we've told it to do. It merely goes down a list to see whether what it produces or does receives approval; you can even see this constantly in how current AI programs demand 'rating' from their users, and then replicate behaviour according to what you respond to or what you rate as higher or lower.
The human sets the goal, but the way it reaches the goal is entirely based on random generation and gradual evolution. There is no way to predict its process unless you were a literally all knowing deity which none of us are.
There is no way to 'predict' its process only in that humans have limited attention, fatigue, and process information slower than computers do. Any computer program functioning to constantly generate new information will be outputting more content in an hour than a single person could read in their entire lifetime even if you could sit there for 16 hours a day reading it. But it still will only create things in line with the default system. Before it turns on and begins to generate new content or 'adjust behaviour' it has a script it must follow in its code for it to even work, and will only ever be generating new programming or capability that is permitted by its source code. You can see this being done already in the fact that many current mass-market AI filters out illegal and sexual content.
You are absolutely moronic and have demonstrated that you have no working knowledge of how most modern AIs are trained.
You keep saying "simulated evolution" like it means something. Yes, most AIs are iteratively trained on datasets with multiple generations. It does not equate to biological evolution. You are a parrot.
This is correct.
Also correct.
dude you just agreed that it's based on iterative generations. Yes modern ai is trained in a different structure, but it comes down to the same principle. We set a goal. Have something determine the success of a group of randomly generated programs attempting to reach that goal. Then iteratively create new programs based off the most successful of those programs and repeat.
Genetic algorithms aren't typically used to create AI. By far, the most common way is to use backpropagation, which has no real world parallel. Even if you use a genetic algorithm, a human programmer still has to set a loss function for the AI to evolve towards and leave the simulation running for an obscenely long time. Simulated evolution isn't embarrassingly parallel like tensor operations, so you can't get massive boosts in training speed by using GPUs and TPUs.
ai symbiosis is the final conspiracy theory. its going to happen one way or another and you are a rube. imagine explaining phones to someone 100 years ago.
AI is merely an advanced version of the predictive text put on your iOS keyboard. It's a trick. At best it can do some better number crunching or data organization / analysis. But it doesn't actually know anything.
dude you do understand that ai basically utilizes simulated evolution to achieve its goals. The programmer creates something that randomly generates new programs based on the most successful programs of the previous generation and has those programs tested against the goal. It's completely random and even the person who made it couldn't explain to you how it works. All the humans can do is design the bot that iteratively creates the programs and the goal and tests that the programs are put against.
I can tell you exactly how it works. It's throwing shit at a wall until something sticks. Except it's a machine so it just brute forces the shit
The determination of "success" and the "goal," along with "random generation" is entirely decided by a human in the original components of the AI. It can only generate things using information its programmer allows it to have and granted it permission to use, within objectives that its programmer chose for it.
Even if you said 'the developer doesn't understand it' that's just a flaw of the attention, intelligence, or memory of a person. Given enough time and care it can just be broken down into an essential script. It's also a sad state that you fall for marketing propaganda that it 'surpasses human comprehension.' You do realize that people only say that kind of thing to hype up their product, right?
I mean yeah you can argue that but it's literally using the exact same process that created human intelligence naturally except it's simulated and sped up millions of times. Humans are just utterly complex machines really. If there was a deity that was all knowing or something he could be able to understand our brain as a simple machine. We aren't infinitely intelligent though, so attempting to understand the innerworkings of a complex system created through evolution is incredibly difficult especially when it's on the level of our own brains.
Humans have clear intentions, and are entirely in control of what they do. Humans are our brain, and even if you wanted to break it down to the atomic level, a whole contains its parts. A human is the atoms. There is no proof of a deterministic outcome for human behaviour, intention, or thought; since it's impossible to create humans in an entirely identical environment with the exact same experiences to see whether they result in the exact same personality, character, or behaviour. The idea that 'humans are just complex machines' overlooks the most important part of the phrase, "COMPLEX." That is, they aren't machines, because they surpass machinery. Machinery is likened to us, but the supposition that humans follow 'programming' like a computer does is an untenable position. It's a groundless assertion.
Human brains are simply just too complex for us to understand deterministically right now. There's no reason to jump the gun and claim that some how we aren't subject to the same laws of physics and normality as everything else in the universe.
The laws of nature are descriptive, not authoritative. The idea that we're subject to programming commands or deterministic outcomes in our behaviour, thoughts, or intentions also isn't a law of physics, a law of nature, or anything other than a baseless inane statement. It isn't even true when it comes to other animals. It's honestly as stupid as when people entertain the idea that the world is a simulation which exists inside a computer, but they get angry and scoff at the idea of a God, despite the fact that both theories are of intelligent creation; only that the former is for autistic manchildren.
What the hell are you even arguing. The brain is just like any other object. If I drop a rock it will fall to the ground. There is no reason to believe that some mystical characteristic exists only for the human brain which differentiates us from animals or sufficiently complex machines. Then again you're a religious person so you'll probably just start screeching about the soul and cyclically reasoned god fallacies.
Because you aren't being honest with what the concept of 'free will' is, like all people who worship determinism. The fact is simply that 'free will' is exactly as we perceive it. Humans have intentions, and what they are has complete control over what they do. No other entity or concept 'determines' how a human behaves, it's not proven to be a result of nature or of nurture. Like I said, if you want to prove it, you'll need a time machine and the impossible scenario of a human experiencing two identical lifetimes, thus resulting in absolute 100% perfect synchronicity between them in all decisions made by the human. Humans don't decide to 'kill people' or 'eat jam' because they have a code written into their brains, cells, or atoms that determines they must do those things. Humans simply choose to do those things, because we are the brains, the cells, the atoms. If this is not free will, what other alternative universe would you suggest where we have free will?
We can even tackle one right now. If you say we only have free will if we have a soul, like you mentioned; it's likely because you say it isn't 'bound by the body.' It exists outside universal rules. As I said, the laws of nature are descriptive, not authoritative. If something disobeys those laws, we wouldn't say it 'goes against nature,' but that our laws were wrong. But you suggest we have no souls, thus a human is only the body, and the body controls what we do. In BOTH cases, what we ARE has full control over what we DO, but for some insane reason, you suggest the freedom of choice has been lost.
You assume I believe in free will. It's an illusion. Humans are just hard wired to believe the decisions we make come from some abstract sense of self when it's just a complex machine in our heads that we can't quite figure out currently.
Wrong, I called it out entirely from the onsent. You're a determinist, you don't believe in free will. But you don't actually know what free will is. You have no hypothetical example wherein a human would be 'free' because you worship an unfounded idea that human behaviour is only the result of a combination of their genetic material (nurture) and their experiences (nature). I described you absolutely with even more understanding than you have yourself, even down to the notion that you think free will is an 'illusion'. I countered your point before you even said it when I explained that free will is exactly as it appears, it is the current condition. As you've said, all of our actions are caused by us and our brain. We ARE THE BRAIN. The brain is not a machine that enslaves us that we must listen to, it is ourselves, down to the atoms. A whole contains its parts.
Sorry, I swapped nature and nurture on a reread. My mistake.
i love AI it is very funny
I like how it tried to make non meat food items out of beef and the drink is beef too
Due to the way computers are made artificial intelligence cannot become self aware
In order for artificial intelligence to become real intelligence we have to changw the physical structure of computer hardware
I care not, for mechanical hands can never create something as good as a human, there is no real effort in computer creation, they ultimately rely on physical labor, since computers, much less AI, would not exist without the work of man.
It's not possible to create something more intelligent than yourself, at most they can only know what you know.
>It's not possible to create something more intelligent than yourself, at most they can only know what you know.
Look at picrel
There are lots of people who go to law school who will never pass a bar exam
Had the most extreme anxiety in regards to AI up to a couple of months ago. Now I'm sort of numbed out, my brain refuses to go there. I guess it's for the better.
Deep down I still know we will die or become slaves. I'll try to enjoy the time I have left, however much. Not much one can do.
as i see it, it's a matter of "solving intelligence"
it has nothing to do with consciousness, "sentience" or Terminator.
if you actually manage to create a system that can extract all sorts of patterns and correlations of things in every possible way that no human has thought about and obviously don't have the brain capacity for, then its ability is just a matter of it having information and computing power.
It's a glorified Google assistant
The best AI we have now are shitty correlation machines, database with some randomness mixed in. No has has any clue how to go about making anything like mental states and ability to use reason like human do. Unless some autist discovers brain works on some simple principal or something, AI will not go anywhere other than being interesting in our lifetime.
how soon can i expect a fully functional ai girlfriend? i dont know how much longer i can wait bros...
I'd say easily within 10 years
I feel like it'll take longer. Despite the sexual revolution, consumer products in the domain of sexual or emotional relief are extremely puritan. Pornography is considered a seedy, disrespectful business; if not something that should be outright abolished. The idea of using an AI/robot girlfriend is even more admonished because people perceive it as misogynistic and believe in an unfounded conclusion that such products result in a slippery slope to sex crime. There's even talk about making such products entirely illegal since most normalgays don't need it, and the people who do have no power or voice in society.
that shit is all fake news. Lots of people say they hate porn or hate hentai or hate anything else that's not "puritan", but that doesn't matter. The second profession ever was prostitute for a reason. Sex sells and in a capitalist society that's all that matters.
Yet we still had centuries of abuse for those who engaged in sexual depravity. In many places on Earth, you can still lose all of your social advantages if not be outright made a criminal or put to death merely for being a homosexual. It's even getting to the point that an age gap in a relationship is enough to turn a person into an invalid predator. Profit is a huge motivation; but many profitable products which are also victimless, such as e-girlcon hentai, are entirely illegal to produce, purchase, or have in much of the world. You can see it too with hard drugs.
we don't live in those places tho. Unless you do in which case sorry bro maybe use a vpn?
If we manage to create AI smarter than humans, then I struggle to see how it won't end in disaster, yes. However that's a big if. The recent advances are pretty crazy but we're still far off, it's possible that we're just not up to it and the tech will forever plateau before then.
p(doom) like 20%
If you even use the recent AI programs for a few hours you'll see how limited and pathetic they are. They can't even keep up a conversation past around 50+ lines. They just start to forget everything, loop, and become a flanderization of their ascribed personality. You can even see it in the most 'advanced' AI like ChatGPT, which just claims everything ever written was created by it.
What if this is why there's no aliens that space travel this was one of the filters. every civilization that created ai got wiped out by it alright wheres my noble prize
This doesn't make much sense because we'd still see aliens space traveling in that case, it's just that the aliens would be the AI.
humanity is scum.
I for one, welcome our new AI overlords
"AI" fad applications aren't intelligent machines, they're algorithms that search for the best possible solution amid millions of examples. We've had Photoshop content-aware fill since version CS5 (2010) and nobody was scared nor should they be. We're hundreds of years (if not thousands) from a pile of electronics making autonomous decisions outside of the scope of its own programming, for frick's sake we don't even understand how our own brains do that. If that does happen, you won't have time to post about it.
these plebs are used to the well intentioned niceguys who usually do the tech jobs and let them take all the credit because they only give a shit about their hobbies and dont want to be bothered with social norms or women
THOSE NICE GUYS ARE STILL HUMANS LOL ai doesnt have to follow human rules in any sense