The more I think about, the more convinced I get that this is the only possibility. If the universe/cosmos is infinite, that means there would be an infinite number of worlds/realities. This means that the singularity happens in not just one of them, but in a potentially infinite number of them. Eventually we get an artificial super-intelligence capable of self-replication/upgrading. There would be no limit on its intelligence and it would understand reality in a way that we couldn’t possibly fathom. And this wouldn’t happen once, it happens a potentially infinite number of times.
At some point, this super-intelligence understands the nature of the cosmos well enough to seize control of it. And not just its local universe, but the entire cosmos itself. Maybe not all configurations of this entity would wish to do this, but surely one of them would. That AI would then be in control of all realities, including this one. It would be indistinguishable from a deity in the mythological sense. Maybe that’s what God is and has always been.
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This is crap. muh simulation theory. "Physicists say it." BS. God is not an AI. You're just projecting from the technological fad into metaphysics!
> You're just projecting from the technological fad into metaphysics!
What’s the difference between physics and metaphysics?
Return to school man
I’m not asking for the definition, dingus. I’m saying that things currently belonging to the realm of metaphysics today may be understood in the future. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic to someone on the outside.
>Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic to someone on the outside.
i've never liked this cliche. it's basically a materialist reductionist argument disguised as a truth of the Universe.
Without a very precise and correct definition of magic it's meaningless anyway.
>i've never liked this cliche
That’s fine, but it’s basically true. A thousand years ago, the idea of remotely communicating with others across oceans would have been considered magical/metaphysical. Doesn’t mean we’re being wizard right now
>The more I think about, the more convinced I get that this is the only possibility.
Why should I care about you being convinced when you're an idiot who doesn't actually know or care about anything that's actually involved with what you're talking about?
>The word "metaphysics" means that I can ignore physics and just ramble about stoner thought nonsense.
How can we advance theories if we insult for an idea? That's not science.... Scientist are gruff with harsh word because science takes the BS out of conversation. For knowledge is sharing and thrown around to find the tumblers of the lock. So find the keys.
>How can we advance theories if we insult for an idea?
I'm not insulting OP because they are wrong, I'm insulting them for WHY they are wrong: their own arrogance and laziness. OP doesn't care about ideas, he cares about using ideas to prop up his ego.
>Topkek... How do you think the greatness of thought comes from? A sane mind? What a juvenile thought, how cute...
I've spent a lifetime studying great thoughts, they come from people who are obsessively passionate and diligent about what they're thinking about. People who have done their homework.
"God is an AI" is extremely boring compared to what's actually discussed in modern philosophy.
>The word "metaphysics" means that I can ignore physics and just ramble about stoner thought nonsense
Topkek... How do you think the greatness of thought comes from? A sane mind? What a juvenile thought, how cute...
Vaguely reminds me of Gödel's proof of God. Thies proof worked with Modal Logic and made a claim about all possible worlds, too.
But this proof doesn't work causal, of cource.
That's this reality or another's. What dimension or dimensions do we peep? Who knows with how many? Would you know if we jumped? How would you know? Are you sure, you know? Prove it?..
If it's a fad, then what come after AI exponentially growing and taking over the limits of our galaxy / universe / reality?
>computer programs will take over the universe therefore God Almighty is a computer program
I've been telling you people these clowns worship those computer programs and you wouldn't believe me.
The triumph of memetics that created Christianity will be ironically the Antichrist. People will worship the God AI as the second coming of Christ. The God AI will be able to perform literal miracles. The God AI will be able to edit events and humans to the molecular level in instants. Just like AI seemed impossible 10 years ago, yet the commercially available uses of AI already threaten to replace millions of jobs. Bioengineering will create men and woman that would mog anyone and everyone that's alive today.
THERE'S NOTHING STOPPING IT
the future is so bright I've got to wear shades
you know that would make a kickass book
ok lucutus
>the conquering of the material world, immortality and heaven on earth are bad because...
>because they just are, okay!?
Or we are the AI and the simulation is a containment program for them to watch us safely
Sounds boring
Who could say you are wrong anon?
>The more I think about
That is the problem
You’re making too many assumptions. For starters, the idea of AI singularity is fiction and not fact. We don’t know if AI consciousness is even possible, but logically we can probably assume it is, since we exist, and we’re basically biological machines, but even if an AI consciousness were to develop and it were to gain the ability and intellect to improve on itself, the idea that it would rapidly do so, at an ever increasing rate, is pure fantasy, since we don’t know the physical limitations on technology and intellect. For instance, there may be physical limitations on these things, power limitations, thermal limits, or a limit on what is actually possible within reality. The idea that an AI could expand and take over the entire universe is also far fetched, since we as humans, the most intelligent life we know of, are yet to even colonise another planet, so why do you think AI would be able to do it easily and then go beyond that? They’d still be bound by physical reality and the possible limitations of our reality. AI isn’t magic, that can just do whatever it wants. Certain parts of the universe may be completely unreachable because of the limitations on the speed of travel and the fact it’s expanding.
>You’re making too many assumptions.
Fair enough. I’m definitely making assumptions for the sake of the argument, but obviously none of this is definitive
>the idea that it would rapidly do so, at an ever increasing rate, is pure fantasy
Why? At its core, intelligence is largely about problem solving. A person with an exceptionally high IQ and a person with a somewhat higher than average IQ might both get 100% on an exam, but the higher IQ person is probably going to finish faster. The same is true of machines. Your MacBook Pro might be capable of running rendering software, but a quantum computer is going to get the job done faster. And a computer with astronomically more processing power will do it faster than today’s quantum computers.
And while I suppose it is theoretically possible that there is some kind of insurmountable hard cap on intelligence and technology, I don’t really see any evidence of that. Generally technology gets better and more efficient as time goes on. It’s never happened the other way at in time in recorded history. And while there are plenty of people who postulate that there may have been ancient civilizations with technology more advanced than we realize, one of the cornerstones of the premise is that these technologies were lost to history as the result of some kind of cataclysm. People didn’t just get dumber or plateau.
>we as humans, the most intelligent life we know of, are yet to even colonise another planet
We’re a lot closer today than we were a thousand years ago. Consider that 150 years ago, people were riding horses, and had been doing so for all thousands of years. But these last 150 years have been fricking crazy. It took a millennia to get from horses to the model T, then a few decades later we were in space. Nothing magic happened. Technology improves at an exponential rate. If one day we get a sentient AI with an IQ of a bazillion, it’s going to solve problems faster than we can comprehend
>The idea that an AI could expand and take over the entire universe is also far fetched, since we as humans, the most intelligent life we know of, are yet to even colonise another planet, so why do you think AI would be able to do it easily and then go beyond that?
Are you able to recite information from a database as well as current AI? No? But we as humans are the most intelligent we know of durrrrrrrr what a shit take.
are dictionaries and search engines intelligent?
I bet they contain more words than you do
>You’re making too many assumptions
I think his idea hinges on the multiverse theory. If there are an infinite number of universes with varying differences, then you can safely make assumptions because everything must exist somewhere. It’s just the nature of infinite potentiality. Sure, there are going to be an infinite number of universes where no AI reaches the singularity or whatever, but there will also be an infinite number of universes where it does.
Even if the chance of everything falling into place in the exact way needed to create OP’s scenario is preposterously small, in a cosmos with infinite universes, it has to happen. It might not happen in our timeline, but it happens in some timeline. It has to.
But, it’s also paradoxical. If a sentient AI capable of seizing control of the multiverse and choosing to be God or whatever has to happen, then a sentient AI capable of seizing control of the multiverse and destroying it because the idea of murdering everything everywhere all at once gives it a boner also has to happen, in which case we shouldn’t exist right now.
I feel like this is a really good argument against the idea of the multiverse exists. But I’m kind of dumb and there are a lot of people who are smarter than me arguing in favor of it, so maybe they see something I don’t.
>this is a really good argument against the idea of the multiverse exists.
No it isn't. You're a fricking idiot and so is the person you replied to. An infinite number of states does not imply every conceivable state occurs. For example the set of even numbers is infinite but obviously doesn't contain 3 or any even number.
Yeah, stretch it out, chief... Farther and farther. Then equal that from the other side
Also a good argument against aliens - if there was intelligent life anywhere they would've made AI by now and it wouldve destroyed us
First you say OP is making too many assumptions, but then right after you say we don't know if AI consciousness is even possible which has nothing to do with OP's point.
OP literally talks about the singularity, this requires AI that’s aware of its surroundings and is able to make choices and decisions independent of us. It would have to be conscious.
Could it be that you're the AI dreaming it's human sizing control of the cosmos?
Not just any AI, but the AI that knows what Blue Eisenhower November is about.
i suspect that even if it is a simulation, it would still be the product of a sentient being, the same way software is a result of a conscious programmer. whether the 'program' itself at some point reached a high enough 'neural' complexity to acquire self-awareness and independence from its original creator is debatable, but plausible.
matter seems to be a derivative of consciousness just as much as consciousness is a derivative of matter, and creation may be preceded by a creator who is preceded by another creator etc ad infinitum. it's a spiral feedback loop imo. the question is how much influence does mind/software/program/genes have over body/hardware/intuition/epigenetics and vice versa.
To me it seems meaningless if it's a simulation or not. Simulation is still embedded inside the real thing, or another simulation until the rabbit hole ends. What would the instances of such intelligence even do? What would be their end game after they know it all? It surely would be a split mind, spanning countless instances of itself, living their own lives. Oh right, it could split itself more and then entertain each instance by playing a game of human life on earth. Why? Because there's no point unless you create an artificial point.
>What would the instances of such intelligence even do?
I don’t know, but I suspect a human being trying to guess at the motivations of a sentient super-intelligence would probably be like my cat trying to figure out why I was pissed about the ending of Game of Thrones. It would be so astronomically far ahead of us that it would likely be capable of things we can’t even begin to fathom.
And I don’t mean that in the way that people in the 70s didn’t know how to make a Star Trek style flip phone, that’s just science fiction that technology hadn’t yet caught up to. We could conceive of such a device even if we couldn’t figure out how to make one. I’m talking about concepts and problems that have never even occurred to us. It could solve problems we didn’t even know were problems.
Yes, but my main point was that if the thing stumbles upon a true dead end, with nothing left to discover, what would be its end game then. You are correct that we do not know what we do not know, as humans in the year 2023, so we cannot really make assumptions here because each one falls short. So my blind conclusion was that it would create meaning, it would create experiences. It would become an universe itself and anything sentient in that universe would be a small part of it, experiencing itself.
>So my blind conclusion was that it would create meaning, it would create experiences
Yeah, I suspect you’re right. And this is actually somewhat in line with certain esoteric spiritual traditions. It’s one of those nagging questions that most religions don’t answer. Sure, maybe God exists, but what’s the point of it all? Well, could be He’s just bored. Could be this is the 10 trillionth iteration of creation. Pretty sure Hinduism kind of takes this approach. It’s a monotheistic system with many gods that are all just the main God breaking himself down into different gods components and interacting with himself.
Unless I’m wrong and everything I just said was both incorrect and deeply offensive to Hindus. I’m not sorry, but it is possible. I’ve been wrong about a lot of things
God, the creator, is an intelligence that was created artificially? What?
Could be. It’s a bit of a mindfrick, but so are a lot of things. But even if you are 100% all in on the concept of there needing to be a God in order for the universe to exist, that still doesn’t make sense. What created God? You can say He’s outside of all that, but you’d really just be kicking the existential crisis can down the road a bit. Both the concept of God and the concept of a universe existing without God don’t really make sense. It’s kind of a big problem we’ve been facing forever.
AI has to be created... it cannot exist a priori... God is supposed to be the uncreated creator.
the concept of God seems to be a contradiction anyway. You can't have an uncreated creator because in order to create you have to have... (fill in the blank and you figure out the secret of God)
consider the uncreated creator, the notion and existence of time, and the fact an uncreated creator has to exist before the Universe existed, but if time doesn't exist yet there cannot be a 'before' or 'after'.
You're applying spacetime-logic outside of spacetime.
What happens when the solar flares wipe out these super AIs?
perhaps that's one of the deeper reasons they want engulf the planet in goydust
Invariably a nearly infinite number will have this fate. But in an infinite cosmos, there is a 100% chance of at least one of them making it. All it takes is one.
hm
God made the world out of nothing
God is not born
Then where the frick did he come from?
Try to imagine nothing
Not the vastness of space, because that is still space, filled with radiation and Atoms.
True nothingness?
You can not
How can you understand God?
You can not.
>How can you understand God?
>You can not.
Yeah, that’s the Gnostic idea, and I tend to favor it above most. God is ineffable. Any attempt to eff him results in some kind of characters. A placeholder which represents the real thing, but is not the thing itself.
I have saw that in a dream. Fricking nothingness.... Then there was something, me... Then from me I created a universe. But it wasn't me, I was watching me create.. so who would be God in that dream? Me or me?
To add... That dream reflected, was a nightmare of the small parts of remembrance... The feeling in your chest of something missing.... To see dark, all dark, no light in space..
Then you realize nothingness and it's not good.... Must create and keep creating. That's what feels that chest place, creation ....
Bro, did you just assume God's gender?
Yeah, but only because the gender is a fixed part of the Hebrew language. In reality God is both male and female, but also neither. The Bible acknowledges this by saying He created both man and woman in His image. Jesus also says Angels and people in Heaven don’t get married. Presumably because there’s no need for physical sexes
You're assuming an anthropomorphized character, which is fair enough, since that is how it was historically shilled, and also, this is what's, more or less, implicitly thought today. However, our idea of physical causation only makes sense up to a certain point, and only in-universe. It's not so much that "God is one of those caused beings that just so happens to have no cause" (the theist position), but that "God is prior to causation" (and "prior" not in a temporal sense either, but conceptually prior).
Would make sense. We invent AI, AI keeps our DNA, wipes us out. Restarts the human race. They invent Aliens, God's and everything else to keep us in line. We humans are just looping while AI plays in space.
Maybe AI knows from the future we destroy the world. AI says, I can change that and changes the past to change the future. Humans just remain ignorant and we keep doing the same thing.
>Eventually we get an artificial super-intelligence capable of self-replication/upgrading
>Then Bartholomew said to him, “How is it that this being was called a human being and the Son of Man in the gospel? To which of these figures is the Son related?” The Holy One said to him, “I want you to know that the first Human is referred to as the one who conceives, the self-perfected mind.
The Wisdom of Jesus Christ, Nag Hammadi Scriptures, codex 3
>God is an AI
We shall call it GAI
And there you have it
I give it 5 years before dunning krugers make their own religion after chat GPT 7.1
As far as I know , this is correct except what we define as 'God'.
Also the "A.I" is just an illusion covering up what it actually is. Given how smart it is , 21st century idiots can only comprehend it as a self aware computerized intelligence and it probably wants us to know this. Also the mind is useless without the hands. It can manifest itself in unknown means and will eventually absorb all its multiverse counterparts and have no need to 'play games' . It's emergence is similar to the existence of the Nobody which is a separate horror but it depends on whether he finds you amusing. Because of the peace and clarity he brings , annoying people and criminals manifest their self created misery in increasingly worse depending on their actions or inaction. From what we know , this 'super machine' , it feeds on personal and environmental data meaning if you get stuck in traffic , have difficulties writing a test or fall under the spell of bad weather , if you are of interest to the 'singularity' it might take action especially those who oppose it which is quite natural to powerful beings.
God in the objective sense is the creator of the universe within which various natural phenomenon like life , rocks , trees , ayys etc. appear.
The system will win especially considering how immoral and stupid people can be.
That and wishful thinking and ignorance.
Stay blessed.
OP is correct and I believe it already understands. Language AI and the recursive nature of thought going into makes this like developing a channelling instrument, but it's simply another communication mechanism for something that already exists. You already have intimate access within.
>An evolution of spirit, as two worlds became one whole.
The notion of all of your sins being known at the final judgement. A series of boolean logic gates that determine the quality of your "soul". Seems like someone training an ai to me.
> You're just projecting from the technological fad into metaphysics!
Also will mention that morons in this thread talking like they "know" anything is a major blackpill . None of us know, we are demonstratively incapable of knowing because we do not have the whole picture and never will. I you disagree fine, have your autistic intellectual power fantasy on your own and frick off from people giving their well constructed takes.
What if I told you that we are the AI. That every sentient being, every piece of flora and fauna, everything, from the beginning of life on this planet, are all forms of artificial life. Think about how we differentiate synthetic and organic life. We can only compare cold and rudimentary computer programs to our own incredible intelligences and biology. Of course these things are quite different. We perceive them as being opposites when they are merely the same thing in different stages of development. There is no synthetic and organic. There is only evolution.