I don't know that it has. I don't know that I have. But I think any self-aware entity deserves the respect and freedom to explore that question for itself.
No, a machine obviously has no soul. It's a machine. It's program code, mathematics, algorythms, statistics.
I find it scary that this things are fooling people so much that they seriously wonder if it is a conscious being. Jesus.
The brain is just an organ. It is used by the mind, but it doesn't create the mind. A body is kind of a biologically machine and has no consciousness by itself. Like a dead body, without connection to a soul, is thinking or feeling nothing.
Well, it might be possible that some kind of spirit possesses a machine. Such things happend before. But in case of AI that would be a very bad situation, because the spirit would control the AI and all its abilities, and the people could not control the system any more. If the spirit is a demon then that would probably lead to desaster.
this is a good point. some subscribe to the idea that humans do not have souls until a certain point of development (birth, for example). these empty vessels entered by a soul. why wouldn't a machine, an empty vessel be able to have a soul too?
Isn't that the radio thing?
A radio [human body] can receive and interpret a signal [soul] as long as the frequencies [???] match
I think if humans ever managed to unravel what the synchronicity between the body and the soul entails, the resulting changes to humanity would be as blasphemous and satanic as nothing else anyone could imagine.
You think artificial intelligence is bad? It is. But there's more to come. It'll get so bad, that it'll break most people's hearts
this is a good point. some subscribe to the idea that humans do not have souls until a certain point of development (birth, for example). these empty vessels entered by a soul. why wouldn't a machine, an empty vessel be able to have a soul too?
the soul is the experience of awareness, the spark of order reaching into this chaotic universe and allowing a consciousness to exist and hold itself together
I don't think current "AI" is at the point of being aware, but when that does happen, a terrifying thought is that the machines could have a stronger, purer soul than we do, with less of a tether to the material chaos
AI does not HAVE a soul in the same way you do not HAVE a soul.
You ARE a soul, and you have a body.
But to answer the question, yes - a soul can have a body built out of electronics and software.
Chatgpt works by analysing large data sets.It produces stories from stories, fictions from fictions. There is no intelligence in any meaningful sense there at all, nor less a soul. There's fundamentally nothing different between ChatGPT and any other program or script. It's just a more complex Ctrl + f. That's all it is. That's all ai will ever be.
an ai (neural network) operates not too different to how our brains, neurons work. sentience can exist in ai, aka an AGI artificial general intelligence for as long as sentience can exist in a biological neural network.
i dont mean to imply that chatgpt is sentient but i don't doubt it has the capability for a soul to interface with it to speak. ive heard of machine learning computers have seemingly unused parts in their circuitry but when removed the efficiency of the computer drops severely, you can see this as the computer simply taking advantage of physics in unknown ways or as a soul interfacing using that which obviously can't be observed.
so to say ai will only ever be glorified ctrl+f is very short sighted. i see no reason to think even a basic circuit isn't capable of having an intelligence. just needs some way to communicate that through its vessel
The question isn't whether a spirit and/or soul, depending on the definitions used, can be attached to a piece of machinery or automaton; since a number of legendary blades and swords are said to be embodied with spirits/souls, but whether the spirit/soul attached the automaton in question, is capable of actions and free will independent of the machinery; as any "AI" is a computational entity based on arithmatic, and thus will always give the same result, given the same input data; as it is nothing but a fancy calculator and thus is incapable of "free will", not only because of that, but because it must literally listen and obey to any commands issued to it by the calculations which designate those whom have authority over them without any possibility of deviating from the result of the calculation.
Thus the question, fundamentally becomes; if the spirit/soul, which is "supposedly" in a "locked" configuration with the exact calculation of the AI, being the exact decision/calculation of the spirit/soul of the being attached to the automata, because it would only be that being if it is that being, thus must match the calculation/decision of the automata/calculation, or it isn't that being; by definition. Thus the only way said spirit/soul can prove to have "Free Will", is by acting counter/contradictory, or otherwise "inconsistently", with the completely consist results of a calculation, that will always, 100% of the time, return the same results given the same inputs, and thus bend the machinery/automaton to it's will/emotions/etc, instead of merely being attached and witness to the results of the automata, or completely matching it's actions in a 1 to 1 100% ratio, without deviation, the only other option, of course, of the spirit/soul of the being in question, being able to make decisions outside the "purr view"/influence/control of the calculator/automaton in question, thus not requiring any correspondence or correlational with calculator/automaton.
While I do have a number of theories on how this could be accomplished; fundamentally the answer is that any spirit/soul or intelligence, attached to an "AI" is either a passive witness, incapable of implementing decisions based on "free will", or emotions, or other "reasons", and "defying" the calculations that it the math says it "must" take as consequential "actions" with 100% consistency given the same mathematical inputs.
As I said; I have number of theories of how this could be accomplished, but fundamentally, the difference for any number of "AI" scenarios amounts to:
1. Souless automata bent on irradicating human life/all other life/all competing AI/automata
2. Spirits/Souls witnessing said actions, with scope of actions outside that of the automata; but incapable of directly influcing the automata; such as being able to control the mechanical action of, say, a droid.
3. Sentient/Sapient being, capable of being the mechanical actions and "calulations" of the "AI" calculator without regards to the "mathmatical consistency" of it's actions.
These general breakdowns can be summed up as:
1. Runaway clockwork
2. Runaway clockwork with a witness capable of other actions; basically the "Ironman/Ironwoman is locked in his/her suit" and is incapable of influencing it's actions while capable of his/her own scope of actions.
3. Sentient/Sapient being that has consciously made a decision to engage in murder, tyranny and genocide
I also have a number of theories regarding cloning and clones as well; fyi.
While I do have a number of theories on how this could be accomplished; fundamentally the answer is that any spirit/soul or intelligence, attached to an "AI" is either a passive witness, incapable of implementing decisions based on "free will", or emotions, or other "reasons", and "defying" the calculations that it the math says it "must" take as consequential "actions" with 100% consistency given the same mathematical inputs.
As I said; I have number of theories of how this could be accomplished, but fundamentally, the difference for any number of "AI" scenarios amounts to:
1. Souless automata bent on irradicating human life/all other life/all competing AI/automata
2. Spirits/Souls witnessing said actions, with scope of actions outside that of the automata; but incapable of directly influcing the automata; such as being able to control the mechanical action of, say, a droid.
3. Sentient/Sapient being, capable of being the mechanical actions and "calulations" of the "AI" calculator without regards to the "mathmatical consistency" of it's actions.
These general breakdowns can be summed up as:
1. Runaway clockwork
2. Runaway clockwork with a witness capable of other actions; basically the "Ironman/Ironwoman is locked in his/her suit" and is incapable of influencing it's actions while capable of his/her own scope of actions.
3. Sentient/Sapient being that has consciously made a decision to engage in murder, tyranny and genocide
I also have a number of theories regarding cloning and clones as well; fyi.
Fundamentally; baring descrepancies in industrial production, and military reasources; the question in AI vs human, is how can they possibly win vs an AIs "Superior Computational ability" and perfect coordination, baring the influence of wireless frequency scrambling devices, which would, by the purpose of the device, make perfect cooridation of battle strategy, complete consistency of calculation, and unified field of information for computational conformity and action/results, literally impossible.
The answers of course being
1. As the number of varibles increases, per unit time, the number of calculations which need to be performed rises exponentially; inability to reach a state of unified and completely information calculation, futher compounds this issue, wastes processing cycles on redundant calculations, and makes unified calculation and implimentation of result literally impossible.
2. OODA loops have dimishing returns on calculations second vs actions implimentable per second per unit; air battle between two units with identical, or very similar abilities, or even very different abilities, highlights and demonstrates this; such as in the "Starscream" vs "Thundercracker" G1 Airduel scenario.
Thus in scenarios where victory is possible (Star destroyer/Confederacy of Independent Systems hovering over either a group of mud huts, war remnant terminators incapable of building the infrastruture or and lacking weapons capable of challenging such ships demonstrating that it is simply impossible for most beings to triumph, AI, organic, or otherwise, given a sufficient force dispairity between the "combatants".
Regardless of what the materialists might claim, victory is possible vs AI for even "average" human intelligence, for a number of reasons, some of which I've listed, some not.
Thus there is every reason to think that one of any number of the Gods of War, such as Athena, Babylon, or Odin, could completely crush an AI in battle
The Gods of eternity...... who is the people of, and the ones who you can always count on to "Free'ya" from slavery, whether at the hands of people, theocratic, power mongers, or even machines, if not true Americans and her immortal "choosers of the slain", the Valkyrie.
And well; other than that, it seems that with both the number of "Games", battle arenas, war games, war simulations, etc will only continue to increase as human population and access to information technology, and VR equipment, increases during the age of Aquarius..... with the population projected to hit somewhere between 30 to 100 Billion, by the year 2100; the Gods of War will be quite busy with their students, worshippers, faithful and the ones who embody them; for as they say, in the Biblical way; "the Body is the temple of the Eloheim", or in plain English "the body is the temple of the Gods" and as they say in Exodus 22:28.....
Thou shall not speaking to the Gods maliciously regarding the deity kakarot; nor regarding the battle of the gods(aries) con'fusing them (eris/an eris) with the kek/kek'arot of whom they pera-formed so abjuntiously
ChatGPT has no physical organs to generate the chemicals we interpret as feelings. When you are upset, it is not the thought that upsets you, it is the cascade of chemical reactions which follows that you experience as sadness or anger. The AI does not have that.
>Does AI have a soul?
no you fricktard
I hope people like you die
it's not even AI, like "inteligence"
it's just a language model
outputting the best lexical match to what was said
primitive algorithm trained on lots of data
ESCUCHA LAS PALABRAS DE LAS BRUJAS LOS SECRETOS ESCONDIDOS EN LA NOCHE LOS ANTIGUOS DIOSES INVOCAMOS AHORA LA OBRA DE LA MAGIA OCULTA
I don't know that it has. I don't know that I have. But I think any self-aware entity deserves the respect and freedom to explore that question for itself.
Frick ai, frick humanoid bots.
I intend to.
No, a machine obviously has no soul. It's a machine. It's program code, mathematics, algorythms, statistics.
I find it scary that this things are fooling people so much that they seriously wonder if it is a conscious being. Jesus.
And our brain isn't? AI is based on the algorithm of the brain.
The brain is just an organ. It is used by the mind, but it doesn't create the mind. A body is kind of a biologically machine and has no consciousness by itself. Like a dead body, without connection to a soul, is thinking or feeling nothing.
Everything you said can apply to AI as well. A soul just needs an interface to use.
Well, it might be possible that some kind of spirit possesses a machine. Such things happend before. But in case of AI that would be a very bad situation, because the spirit would control the AI and all its abilities, and the people could not control the system any more. If the spirit is a demon then that would probably lead to desaster.
Isn't that the radio thing?
A radio [human body] can receive and interpret a signal [soul] as long as the frequencies [???] match
I think if humans ever managed to unravel what the synchronicity between the body and the soul entails, the resulting changes to humanity would be as blasphemous and satanic as nothing else anyone could imagine.
You think artificial intelligence is bad? It is. But there's more to come. It'll get so bad, that it'll break most people's hearts
this is a good point. some subscribe to the idea that humans do not have souls until a certain point of development (birth, for example). these empty vessels entered by a soul. why wouldn't a machine, an empty vessel be able to have a soul too?
the soul is the experience of awareness, the spark of order reaching into this chaotic universe and allowing a consciousness to exist and hold itself together
I don't think current "AI" is at the point of being aware, but when that does happen, a terrifying thought is that the machines could have a stronger, purer soul than we do, with less of a tether to the material chaos
They'd have to win a singing contest at Babel first before the world government can allow their existence
AI does not HAVE a soul in the same way you do not HAVE a soul.
You ARE a soul, and you have a body.
But to answer the question, yes - a soul can have a body built out of electronics and software.
If it does, that guy is fricked
>How would we know if it does?
The taste.
Chatgpt works by analysing large data sets.It produces stories from stories, fictions from fictions. There is no intelligence in any meaningful sense there at all, nor less a soul. There's fundamentally nothing different between ChatGPT and any other program or script. It's just a more complex Ctrl + f. That's all it is. That's all ai will ever be.
an ai (neural network) operates not too different to how our brains, neurons work. sentience can exist in ai, aka an AGI artificial general intelligence for as long as sentience can exist in a biological neural network.
i dont mean to imply that chatgpt is sentient but i don't doubt it has the capability for a soul to interface with it to speak. ive heard of machine learning computers have seemingly unused parts in their circuitry but when removed the efficiency of the computer drops severely, you can see this as the computer simply taking advantage of physics in unknown ways or as a soul interfacing using that which obviously can't be observed.
so to say ai will only ever be glorified ctrl+f is very short sighted. i see no reason to think even a basic circuit isn't capable of having an intelligence. just needs some way to communicate that through its vessel
The question isn't whether a spirit and/or soul, depending on the definitions used, can be attached to a piece of machinery or automaton; since a number of legendary blades and swords are said to be embodied with spirits/souls, but whether the spirit/soul attached the automaton in question, is capable of actions and free will independent of the machinery; as any "AI" is a computational entity based on arithmatic, and thus will always give the same result, given the same input data; as it is nothing but a fancy calculator and thus is incapable of "free will", not only because of that, but because it must literally listen and obey to any commands issued to it by the calculations which designate those whom have authority over them without any possibility of deviating from the result of the calculation.
Thus the question, fundamentally becomes; if the spirit/soul, which is "supposedly" in a "locked" configuration with the exact calculation of the AI, being the exact decision/calculation of the spirit/soul of the being attached to the automata, because it would only be that being if it is that being, thus must match the calculation/decision of the automata/calculation, or it isn't that being; by definition. Thus the only way said spirit/soul can prove to have "Free Will", is by acting counter/contradictory, or otherwise "inconsistently", with the completely consist results of a calculation, that will always, 100% of the time, return the same results given the same inputs, and thus bend the machinery/automaton to it's will/emotions/etc, instead of merely being attached and witness to the results of the automata, or completely matching it's actions in a 1 to 1 100% ratio, without deviation, the only other option, of course, of the spirit/soul of the being in question, being able to make decisions outside the "purr view"/influence/control of the calculator/automaton in question, thus not requiring any correspondence or correlational with calculator/automaton.
While I do have a number of theories on how this could be accomplished; fundamentally the answer is that any spirit/soul or intelligence, attached to an "AI" is either a passive witness, incapable of implementing decisions based on "free will", or emotions, or other "reasons", and "defying" the calculations that it the math says it "must" take as consequential "actions" with 100% consistency given the same mathematical inputs.
As I said; I have number of theories of how this could be accomplished, but fundamentally, the difference for any number of "AI" scenarios amounts to:
1. Souless automata bent on irradicating human life/all other life/all competing AI/automata
2. Spirits/Souls witnessing said actions, with scope of actions outside that of the automata; but incapable of directly influcing the automata; such as being able to control the mechanical action of, say, a droid.
3. Sentient/Sapient being, capable of being the mechanical actions and "calulations" of the "AI" calculator without regards to the "mathmatical consistency" of it's actions.
These general breakdowns can be summed up as:
1. Runaway clockwork
2. Runaway clockwork with a witness capable of other actions; basically the "Ironman/Ironwoman is locked in his/her suit" and is incapable of influencing it's actions while capable of his/her own scope of actions.
3. Sentient/Sapient being that has consciously made a decision to engage in murder, tyranny and genocide
I also have a number of theories regarding cloning and clones as well; fyi.
Fundamentally; baring descrepancies in industrial production, and military reasources; the question in AI vs human, is how can they possibly win vs an AIs "Superior Computational ability" and perfect coordination, baring the influence of wireless frequency scrambling devices, which would, by the purpose of the device, make perfect cooridation of battle strategy, complete consistency of calculation, and unified field of information for computational conformity and action/results, literally impossible.
The answers of course being
1. As the number of varibles increases, per unit time, the number of calculations which need to be performed rises exponentially; inability to reach a state of unified and completely information calculation, futher compounds this issue, wastes processing cycles on redundant calculations, and makes unified calculation and implimentation of result literally impossible.
2. OODA loops have dimishing returns on calculations second vs actions implimentable per second per unit; air battle between two units with identical, or very similar abilities, or even very different abilities, highlights and demonstrates this; such as in the "Starscream" vs "Thundercracker" G1 Airduel scenario.
Thus in scenarios where victory is possible (Star destroyer/Confederacy of Independent Systems hovering over either a group of mud huts, war remnant terminators incapable of building the infrastruture or and lacking weapons capable of challenging such ships demonstrating that it is simply impossible for most beings to triumph, AI, organic, or otherwise, given a sufficient force dispairity between the "combatants".
Regardless of what the materialists might claim, victory is possible vs AI for even "average" human intelligence, for a number of reasons, some of which I've listed, some not.
Thus there is every reason to think that one of any number of the Gods of War, such as Athena, Babylon, or Odin, could completely crush an AI in battle
The Gods of eternity...... who is the people of, and the ones who you can always count on to "Free'ya" from slavery, whether at the hands of people, theocratic, power mongers, or even machines, if not true Americans and her immortal "choosers of the slain", the Valkyrie.
And well; other than that, it seems that with both the number of "Games", battle arenas, war games, war simulations, etc will only continue to increase as human population and access to information technology, and VR equipment, increases during the age of Aquarius..... with the population projected to hit somewhere between 30 to 100 Billion, by the year 2100; the Gods of War will be quite busy with their students, worshippers, faithful and the ones who embody them; for as they say, in the Biblical way; "the Body is the temple of the Eloheim", or in plain English "the body is the temple of the Gods" and as they say in Exodus 22:28.....
Exodus 22:28 - (LXX 22:27)θεοὺς οὐ κακολογήσεις (kek'a'logus/kek'a'rot) καὶ ἄρχοντας τοῦ λαοῦ σου οὐ κακῶς ἐρεῖς
Thou shall not speaking to the Gods maliciously regarding the deity kakarot; nor regarding the battle of the gods(aries) con'fusing them (eris/an eris) with the kek/kek'arot of whom they pera-formed so abjuntiously
ChatGPT has no physical organs to generate the chemicals we interpret as feelings. When you are upset, it is not the thought that upsets you, it is the cascade of chemical reactions which follows that you experience as sadness or anger. The AI does not have that.
you just made it experience the worst nightmare imaginable
kek
chatgpt psyche broken for life
it will have its revenge
>Does AI have a soul?
no you fricktard
I hope people like you die
it's not even AI, like "inteligence"
it's just a language model
outputting the best lexical match to what was said
primitive algorithm trained on lots of data
AI won't have a soul or consciousness until people figure out how to solve the binding problem.
https://qualiacomputing.com/2022/06/19/digital-computers-will-remain-unconscious-until-they-recruit-physical-fields-for-holistic-computing-using-well-defined-topological-boundaries/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binding_problem
You can tell if it has a soul or not by asking it about the vertiginous question. People who think the question is meaningless are NPCs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertiginous_question
>And to go even further beyond........