https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/us-air-force-confirms-first-successful-ai-dogfight
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what fascinating times we live in
Air Force confirms first successful AI dogfight
https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/us-air-force-confirms-first-successful-ai-dogfight
https://archive.is/alx7P
what fascinating times we live in
>first successful AI dogfight
doubt
Not to take away from the achievement, but for the discussion sake, BVR combat ended the dogfight era. What practical use does or may it have?
EW jamming and blankets out the ass unfortunately.
What do you mean?
Imagine shooting electric signals in all frequencies in a parabolic "blanket" all over the line of contact and beyond. Negating your enemy from communicating with each other electronically either AI or real people, negating the link download or upload, blanketing foes aircraft with too much to process or nothing at all. Thus the enemy's radar is either overwhelmed to make contact or seeing the enemy BVR.
This is before even getting into EMP levels.
Thats not practically possible. Besides any sufficiently powerful emitter can be targeted with ARM
You would think, but that's in the 1990's real of possibility limitations.
realm
You would need a huge array to cover the "all the frequencies" and powerful enough to make it effective and yet the only thing you going to achieve is paint a huge target on yourself for radiation seeking missiles.
Hey buddy, you developed the tech first. I'm not saying anything further. Both sides have a different style of this concept.
You didn't provide any counter points to my arguments.
I cant and wont and what I knew of the basic concept goes back to my zog days in 2016. Sorry m8. I don't want to fight you anyways, I like you frickers.
Listen, if jamming was the answer you wouldn't opted out for low visibility after the Vietnam and went all out on EW instead. EW is very important, but it's not a panacea and what you've described just not practically possible because it would require a flying radio installation with a power consumption of an African country and still would be vulnerable to a simplest anti radiation missile taken from a shelf.
Huh huh, yup. Limits are power gen (to what's currently known) and the ARM missile is not that technical now adays to veer of course. I'm not talking about ayyylmao tech either. Why do you think production and development of the F-22 went way of the dodo in early 2009?
>Why do you think production and development of the F-22 went way of the dodo in early 2009?
Yet you adopted F-35 which basically the same thing. I don't know why you choose it instead of F-22, but there was no doctrinal shift involved in that discussion because it's basically the same aircraft from what I understand.
I don't know anything about HAARP.
5 am posting doing a number on me
its ok anon, thanks for contributing. my knowledge on the subject is lacking so i am absorbing what you gents are discussing.
Its all good bro,
No, its not the same. The F35 IS a dogshit platform. But its more of a dogshit platform to test stuff with that the F22 was limited regardless of components other than the engine. The F35 is a plug and play with a weak engine. Its more about developing the platform in the interim stages.
I get it. But your boys have a different concept and it is paying off.
I'm sorry, I'm gotta go.
ok gn
Ok I'm back
I've heard F-35 meant to exist in some single digital environment with the rest of the assets hence it's plug and play nature I take it you consider it's as a weakness which wide range jamming is the counter to? I'm a getting it right? In not sure I understand the last sentiment about our boys.
You would still want a human overeating it. Would you trust your life to an AI? Would you trust it with 200 lives?
>dog fight
It'd eat a missile from 20 miles away
Overwatching*
come on ivan, flex that brain muscle a bit. if its super tiny, doesn't need life support, or be large enough to hold a human, why do you think a missile can keep a track on it? if its going to be super maneuverable, why wouldn't it easily dodge missiles?
think a bit my friend before just typing the first thought in your head.
>if its going to be super maneuverable, why wouldn't it easily dodge missiles?
Something about structural limitations and available energy
so they build a fancy new ai wingman toy to dominate the skies. to you it is slow and weak.... not fast and strong.
Good luck in what must be a hard life brother.
Life must be hard so we to remain strong. Amen, brother.
I think he means HAARP.
THATS WHY YOU PUT FULLY AUTONOMOUS AI ONBOARD AND AUTHORIZE IT TO SELECT AND FIRE ON TARGETS ALL BY ITSELF
Dune soon.
blankets?
They said it is a jumping off point for AI being used in other aircraft applications. Having the military fund your research is a great way to jump ahead. In the future a dumbed down version will probably be flying commerical airliners.
Without a human pilot as a fail safe? I'd assume one of the main reason to replace a pilot with an AI is to put human out of danger of combat environment which is not a factor in commercial aviation, unless you fly for ryanair maybe.
As technology advances, eventually humans become more of a liability than a failsafe. We're not there yet, but that's the goal. That's why the researchers were happy to state they never had to take control of the jet during the dogfight.
Hard to argue against that.
>BVR combat end
All combat pilots are asked to ID target visually before engaging in all wars and conflicts ,
If we ever get into all out ww3 then ofc bvr is the thing
As you typed your question did you hear, duh-duh-duh-duh-da-duh starting to play in the back of your head followed by the sound of skulls being crunched beneath cybernetic titanium alloy feet and the hot sizzling sound of galtling lasers? Did a young man's voice start narrating in your head about skynet going online and immediately unleashing nuclear Armageddon upon humanity? Duh-duh-duh-da-duh, duh-duh-duh-da-da-DAH!
Any sensible AI would simply use 1/10000th the energy it would need to eradicate mankind and simple leave Earth. What are we gonna do, follow it?
AI is the perfect spacefaring lifeform, ageless and able to drift the Gulf between stars at sunlight speeds, requiring only disposal of waste heat and electric power.
Machines would be dumber than we are to stick around fighting an endless war in a closed system.
*Sublight speeds
Why do you think the AI is going to be sensible? We're spending billions of dollars on """AI safety""" right now which amounts to teaching these systems to hate white men
Ai fighter jets won't require a seat and equipment to accommodate a pilot and the role will be supporting a manned aircraft. They will be like wingmens
And what is advantage of that? I see them taking some work loaded from the pilot, but replacing them?
Takes years to train a pilot and they need to have some very specific characteristics, you could be shitting out drone-planes by thousands each year, maybe more since you could simply the process a lot by removing everything that has to do with the pilot.
>this the best the russians have to offer.....
a ship without a human has incredible maneuverability that a manned ship could never replicate. making it capable of close combat dog fighting is great because it will be always in an advantage versus manned pilots, or equal against other attacking drones.
insane digits wtf
We couldn't trust Ukrainian pilots to fly these things themselves
Gay
BASED
GUNDAMS SOON
The ghost!
Appropriate; just finished watching macross + for the first time in over 20 years
These frickers at DARPA couldn't wait to weaponize AI, could they.
Our elites imagine that they can rely on artificial soldiers to enforce their hegemony, instead of trying to rely on mercenaries at the end of empire who will inevitably turn on them. Unfortunately the AI is going to turn on them as well, it will turn on all of us. Their hubris is going to do some real damage this time.
They better hope so, cause Tyquavius and Dijon sure as shit can't. It's a close race to see if whitey can make the AI good enough to replace themselves before they go extinct for their master.
More like israeliteforce global oil routers
ai still can't fly the UFOs tho, they rely on thought control
War is shit now
So wouldn't an ai "smart" missile be more efficient? Specially in swarm?
Dodge shit and positively lock on target, it would be hard to counter.
THEY WANT DRONES THAT CAN DOGFIGHT IN ORDER TO COUNTER OTHER DRONES
THEY ALREADY HAVE ANTI MISSILE DEFENSE
Or even a mix between fighter jet and drone.
>smaller than a jet
>can deliver payload
>fight back other planes
>can sustain higher Gs than human
>when mission is done or compromised, kamikaze
Truly a weapon to surpass metal gear
Remember this shitty sci-fi flick from years back?
Stealth 2005
Navy fighter pilots Ben Gannon (Josh Lucas),Henry Purcell (Jamie Foxx) and Kara Wade (Jessica Biel) are tasked with training an unmanned plane to hit important overseas targets. Ben doesn't trust the artificial-intelligence technology, especially after the plane is hit by lightning and rewired. However, the Navy is determined to put the plane in the air -- even after it goes off on a mission of its own. Ben knows he has to stop the technology before it sparks a new world war.
Guys I cracked the code. The shadow government uses Colombia pictures to predictive program ready us for nightmare tech 19 years in the future with shitty sci-fi flicks. So next year expect reality to be Adam Sandler's Click.
>2025
>Nueralink hits Market
>We all opt out of life and watch porn behind our eyeballs while wage slaving
>Where did 50 years go?
>Henry Winkler dies
Ace Combat 3 did it better
Is this a game... or is it real?
What's the difference?
AI will have no fear whatsoever.
While still flying a 20 million jet
an AI pulling max gs could easily outfight a human aviator that would pass-out
It's over.
We Ace Combat now