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>AI will take our jo-
2 more weeks.
Horse handlers in 1908:
>cars will take our jo-
That's a usable car that was improved.
The usefulness of self-driving cars is non-negotiable. It will make car travel safer and reduce the reliance on air travel making a more luxurious, leisurely travel experience.
I'll believe it when I see it. The sample size is too small still and I've never seen anything about them in the snow which makes up many months of the year all over the US and Europe
My car has highway assisted driving (lane keeping, speed keeping) and it's great and definitely made my road trips more enjoyable. Even just one degree better assisted technology would be appreciated.
>My car has highway assisted driving (lane keeping, speed keeping) and it's great and definitely made my road trips more enjoyable. Even just one degree better assisted technology would be appreciated.
Mine does too but its pretty useless honestly
Bullshit, either you have a really shitty version or you don't have it. HDA is excellent right now, on all major freeways it literally just drives itself, maintaining speed and space between cars automatically. It actually makes stop and go bareable and reduces the risk of a fender bender drastically because it's perfectly patient.
I have a 2022 GMC Yukon Denali, I don't really find it useful. Never used another manufacturers version before this I had a '99 M3 so I'm not sure how it compares
The Super Cruise (if you have the Ultimate) is actually hands free self driving. If you're driving more than 10 minutes on the freeway, it's useful.
but how is that actually better than having to drive yourself? the acceleration and braking is always worse than what you could do by just coasting
It's actually quite good, you can set the follow distance and desired freeway speed, it will then maintain that speed or the follow distance. It's as good as a normal driver for typical conditions. Imagine if cruise control could pay attention to the cars around you, maintain the center of the lane and slow down automatically if the car in front of you is slow or someone merges in front of you, that's HDA. You're still driving yourself, you're just doing 10% of the effort, it's mental autopilot driving and I've done several major road trips with it on and the mental fatigue is way less than standard driving and when it's perfected in 5ish years, I think most people will prefer it over an airplane for trips under 12 hours. And once it can be trusted for driving overnight unassisted, everyone will use it for travel.
Until it drives you into a traffic divider when you're not paying attention.
But hey, the convenience is worth it right?
As opposed to driving into a traffic divider when you're not paying attention?
It's a harder to not pay attention when you have to keep the car centered in lane.
It's easier to pay attention if the car does it for you. And when you do it long enough, you already know when it will struggle (protip: it's when there's no lines). But you're right, a retard like you probably shouldn't use it since you think it gives you license to start masturbating to porn in your car.
No it won't
They've been saying that for 10 years. The biggest corporations in the world have spent probably trillions of dollars on it, it still isn't good enough to replace a taxi or truck driver.
As far as I can tell the self-driving technology in Teslas are currently sufficient. We are 5 years away from all car manufacturers having something similar.
Is that going to take anyone's job? Or is it just going to let you take your hands off the steering wheel on the highway?
The reports that AI is going to take jobs is overexaggerated. Let's talk truck driving. Even if they're self driving, they're going to want a guy in the cab for security, maintenance and taking over if the AI is retarded. But what it will do is have the truck on the road 18+ hours per day while the driver sits back and relaxes until needed.
>have the truck on the road 18+ hours per day while the driver sits back and relaxes until needed
And then the guy can't react in time when the AI does start acting up because he was sleeping or distracted.
What if you had one guy driving one truck manually with AI assistance for QoL and whatnot (basically advanced cruise control), and a convoy of self-driving trucks followed him?
There would still be a human there being responsible and making decisions for the convoy (there could be a couple more guys for security or some necessary expertise), but now only a fraction of the human personnel is needed.
That's an amazing idea, but they should have separated lanes so wayward cars don't interfere with them. And maybe since we're doing that, we can change the road and wheel material to be lower friction so it's even more efficient...
Do you really not see the advantage of a truck convoy over a fucking freight train?
Why do you think we still use both trains and trucks in different situations and use cases?
Do you believe the only difference between choosing to use trucks vs trains is the amount of cargo that's needed to be shipped at once?
If you really have to be snarky at least make sure you're not a fucking retard first.
Hey, trucks are useful, but them line haul situations with the 18h runs of barely manned convoys are indeed where trains shine.
E.g. see the https://www.dac4.eu/en/ project where Central Europe is paving the way for transitioning from old hook & chain couplers for freight to fully automatic couplers (allowing brake checking and train integrity supervision to later get added on top, so there'd be no more human involvement needed in a shunting yard (assuming the target locomotive is already in place when the cars start humping) unless something breaks).
Would be easy that way to fuse/split a train quickly at a station for offering frequent service to compete with what trucks offer. And btw. still be faster than trucks once you get any decent distance due to speed limit advantages (low latency humping/sorting makes the overhead of those easily compensated by the speed limit advantage).
And yes, add automatic pallet shufflers/package handler robots at relevant stations to sort a city's sub-car/sub-container freight loads between incoming and outgoing (both cars coming from other cities with mixed stuff for our city, sorted to delivery vehicles for on the city; and cars from inside the city collecting pallets/boxes that shall leave the city/go into a different area of the same city), so you can just run tram tracks inside the city and pop the pallets out of a modified low floor tram car onto a platform, or even have a pallet jack and a simple lift gate to unload in the street close to the customer (imagine laundromat washer/dryer delivery; an aldi-sized grocery store would probably use a height-matched platform for their pallets and castor'd freezer-boxes).
>what is range
Trains are completely impractical in many situations. Let's not pretend they can just replace all cases in which you would've used a large number of trucks.
You yourself mentioned that it's only faster than trucks at long ranges.
Plus it's far less flexible, and if trucks are all connected on a "global" network, you can just have trucks leave and join convoys based on destination.
Not an easy logistical problem to solve, but it would make things much cheaper for the shipping companies so they'll at least attempt it.
>And yes, add automatic pallet shufflers/package handler robots at relevant stations to sort a city's sub-car/sub-container freight loads between incoming and outgoing (both cars coming from other cities with mixed stuff for our city, sorted to delivery vehicles for on the city; and cars from inside the city collecting pallets/boxes that shall leave the city/go into a different area of the same city), so you can just run tram tracks inside the city and pop the pallets out of a modified low floor tram car onto a platform, or even have a pallet jack and a simple lift gate to unload in the street close to the customer (imagine laundromat washer/dryer delivery; an aldi-sized grocery store would probably use a height-matched platform for their pallets and castor'd freezer-boxes).
Sure, why not add a teleporter somewhere in the mix too?
freight trains or cargo trains are full automated, a dude press a button and the train move to a other city, and there are automated cranes that put the containers to trucks.
Funny part everyone hates truckers because since the first season of South Park they are making fun of truckers and being like "YOU KNOW, LOOKS LIKE TRUCKING ISN'T EXACTLY LIKE A SAFE INDUSTRY" but nobody talk about about self-driving trains
Trains make more sense than individualistic, space hogging burgerland toys.
>you can easily stop a self-driving car with a traffic cone
oh boy, I can't wait for the heaps of car robbery stories.
>It will make car travel safer
Absolutely not. It will lead to nogs exploiting the cars to make it stop and then mug, injure, and/or kill the helpless passengers who are left helpless by automated systems:
>intentionally dug potholes
>throwing paving stones at cars
>mugged when stopping at a red light
Self-driving cars are death traps.
Self driving outside some super restricted circumstances is AI hard. One such circumstance is not having a traffic cone on the hood.
Driving outside some super restricted circumstance is hard. One such circumstance is not having a traffic cone on the hood.
cars are so expensive and most people have 30 USD/hr wages but they are greed, they are single and don't need cars if they lack of wife/husband/children or just are lazy assholes that refuse learn to drive. People prefer just rent a self-driving taxi.
Bruh, we already have self-driving electric eco pods, they are called trains
You're right, that's the same thing with the same pros and cons
have a nice day retard
>reduce the reliance on air travel
Amerilards truly are the funniest people around
...whereas self-driving cars won't be improved?
And you believe that Ford didn't go through prototypes before making a working car?
25 mpg is actually pretty good gas mileage tho
no its not. it just goes to show how stupid engine became because of the stupid big block murican piggup truck mindset.
You can't really do much better without making the engine unreliable, most cars under 2L of displacement don't make it past 20
This is what they took from you
Haha my aunt had one of those. It got stuck in the snow and it was only like 4" deep. It was unreal, like the snow was lifting the car up from underneath preventing the wheels from touching the road while the entire rest of the traffic just drove by like nothing was wrong.
That car was a piece of shit, you clearly never drove one.
25 mile range is awful. Wtf you're talking about? That's half the average commute.
Oh, I thought it was the gas mileage from the way it was written
Back in those days things weren't so spread out by necessity.
Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit is it?
Mine does 70 mpg
its dogshit but the fact we barely got efficiency on average to double over the following century is pretty sad. we couldve jevon paradoxed that shit
you seem confused. Cars don't have hands to work. and nobody ever said that
Every single technology ever has had luddites saying something to the effect of "this will take our jobs", and all technology has ever done has increased and improves job opportunities. Jobs may have become obsolete or significantly rarer, but that's the cost of progress and its well worth paying.
place a cone one a car with a human driver and it will stop too. plus the human will also attempt to hurt you.
No, Americans will try to run you over because someone approaching your car and putting shit on it looks like the beginning of an elaborate robbery attempt.
>3 Velodyne on top
These engineers are retarded
>unicorns aren't rea-
That's funny as fuck
This reminds me of an idea I had for a movie a while back. In the not-too-distant cyberpunk dystopia future, autonomous vehicles haul all freight. But due to prohibitions on ai carrying weapons, it falls on the 'Truckers' (armed mercenaries) to protect these caravans from the marauding raiders who still live in the barren wasteland of the American interior.
what exactly do you want the car to do in this situation?
It's probably doing the "right thing," but that's actually worse because there is no way to fix it, aside from like installing robotic arms to push stuff off the hood.
What happens if you're driving with your wife when two black guys walk into the road, one stands in front of the car and one stands at the back? The car is immovable, and there's no manual override to get out of the situation. Then, even if you're carrying a weapon, you can't use it because if you so much as point it at the thugs you'll spend the next ten years in prison
>implying the average nogs have that much planning and coordination
Being a trucker with a self-driving truck is going to become the comfiest job in history when it's properly functional
>AI is doing all the heavy driving work
>you're just there in case some unknown variant shuts the AI down, like OP's pic or some deer who jumped at the last moment and had the truck explode it before the AI could react
>maybe some light manual maintenance after a certain number of miles
>obviously recharging the truck too
All while you're either just enjoying the travel views, or outright relaxing by playing/watching something with a laptop and mobile internet
Literally dream job tier, at least if you're a single BOTner
Doomposters are too stupid to realize that
>Being a trucker with a self-driving truck is going to become the comfiest job in history when it's properly functional
But the pay won't be so good as it is now. These things go together, alas.
being paid to do nothing all day is a dystopia
AI already took the job of hollywood writers and that's a fantastic thing
>old man yells at new technology that changes the workforce paradigm
tale as old as time
>Gets confused by some street racer using a radar jammer
AI driving will never take off because of cost.
I drive a 2002 Honda that cost me $2k cash, and that's after fees and plates. Insurance is $50 a month.
A used 2012 Tesla with over 150k miles STARTS at $20k. Insurance would be at least $100 a month. I could afford ten used cars for that price.
Same with eighteen wheelers. Maybe some of the big freight companies can afford a fleet of self driving semis. Your local warehouse driver that has a used rig he bought for $8k on Ryder sure as fuck isn't buying a $350k brand new electric self driving cabin. Hiring a live driver for a decade would cost a fraction of that cost.
The people pushing memes like electric cars and self-driving AI are ivory tower elites who are completely detached from how much things cost to a normal human.
>I'm poor so everyone else must be poor too
What you're missing because of your poorman mindset is at a certain level of income you have a ton of disposable income. As your expenses tend to stay the same while your salary continues going up. At a certain point you're going to be netting $3000+ a month (essentially disposable income).
Do you know why people buy $30k cars? Because they have the money to.
Further, your assumption of the cost of self-driving is wrong.
Self-driving is CHEAP if you already have a car that is fly-by-wire (protip: most already are), there are kits to convert a standard fly-by-wire car to self-driving as all you need is a kit of cameras and a CPU. (Example: https://www.comma.ai/ which is $1250). You don't need an electric vehicle for self-driving and it's embarrassingly ignorant to make that assumption.
I'll add on top of this, if you have a business and adding AI to your fleet increase efficiency (ie runtime) by 50%, you now have an ROI and payback period. So even if it was $100k to retrofit a truck, you can do the math and know you have payback within a couple of years while also likely improving the QOL of your drivers which increases retention.
>I'm poor so everyone else must be poor too
actually yes, the majority of the worlds population makes below I believe 6 dollars a day statistically. richgays are actually a teeny tiny fraction of the minority.
no one cares, you can't afford to drive
Hell no, it ain't gonna happen. You can't tell me that AGII platform designed for the next generation of the internet, offering a wide range of products and services to empower Web3 builders and users will take over my job.
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