AI isn't going to replace any programmers or artists any time soon, but couldn't we at least use it to elimiate government bureaucrats? What are the political implications of making most government employees unemployed?
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It already replaced all artists who didn't get their job by nepotism.
>It already replaced all artists
Name one.
Drawgay cope. We don't really care about fricking ~~*quality*~~) unless it's architecture or something that actually influences normies.
>We don't really care
>We
You left your "we" back at reddit, golem.
I mean "we" by non israelites.
>We
>We, the East Asian bugmen
>We don't care about quality
Oh, ok.
Ok, friend keep hiring ~~*artists*~~ for for blog posts fren. I will keep sending my money to Jihad
The west CANNO unisraelite itself. All your artists are nepotistic pedo fricks at this point
Yet another thread for you to embarrass yourself in eh?
Also, as you said last thread, "most images are not made for artistic purposes".
Doesn't stop you from adding one to it with some pretentious story.
There's literally AI methods to doing this as I see it all over Twitter of people doing it seriously or jokingly.
Using AI to "look" at an image and give it some artistic / exact description is incredibly easy to do now.
Have fun arguing against AI tech was that already out of date last year, like your knowledge-set.
I'm going to make some food, you want some? Got a chicken in the oven.
>you said last thread, "most images are not made for artistic purposes".
I didn't, but let's go with that.
>Doesn't stop you from adding one to it with some pretentious story.
>There's literally AI methods to doing this as I see it all over Twitter of people doing it seriously or jokingly.
>Using AI to "look" at an image and give it some artistic / exact description is incredibly easy to do now.
Incoherent babble.
>Have fun arguing against AI tech
Literally never happened. It is what it is and it's useful for whatever it's useful for.
>Literally
Opinion discarded.
Isn't it kind of obvious that it would replace a lot of artists and writers? I mean, have you even seen what this dumbass software can do? There's your proof.
>Isn't it kind of obvious
No. Name one.
>it would
But you said "already replaced".
I didn't say it already did....but that's true, it did. Go to a freelance writers community and see people who are losing their jobs to a machine.
>Go to a freelance writers community and see people who are losing their jobs to a machine.
Do they buy books in America? I buy books and not one of them was written by AI. Nor would I ever pay for a book written by AI.
You know this how?
Because the writer said it isn't?
Did they tell you they also didn't use Grammarly when writing it?
I'm starting to feel a little bad for you. Do you figure I'm wrong? How many of the books in my library have been secretly written by AI, per your professional estimation?
I feel bad for YOU. Someone that still thinks humans have honor and tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
People are passing off AI generated works as human-produced out the fricking wazoo.
Amazon had to go to some efforts to limit the spread of it on their sites.
It makes copies, thefts and plagiarising so fricking easy.
There's entire "news" sites that are filled with AI garbage. In those cases, you actually CAN notice them, because they are just using shitty GPT generation that has a very noticeable generation pattern to anyone that has used it for more than a half hour.
You're not being obtuse are you? You're not doing that thing you did in the last thread again are you?
Aren't you tired of living in the past?
Shitty stale robot-like responses from OpenAI shit isn't all their is to text-gen.
So how many books in my library have been secretly written by AI according to your estimations? No rhetoric. Give me a percentage.
That depends entirely on what you read, how much of it you buy.
I'm not saying there IS any on your shelf, I'm saying there COULD be. Easily. People are scummy.
It's extremely easy to use LLMs to give it chapter summaries and spit out a story. I do it all the fricking time for fun for a bunch of friends.
Something off? The odd fricked syntax or punctuation? Regen it or literally edit the output if it is a minor fix before continuing with more generation.
This is not a hard process.
In the time it would take a typical person to write a few chapters someone with AI could iterate over several VERSIONS of those chapters, which could further lead them down interesting idea if they are doing some free-form generation instead of fitting it to some overarching narrative.
>I'm not saying there IS any on your shelf, I'm saying there COULD be
You might as well just say it: probably none. So we're back to what? Two More Weeks? It's been Two More Weeks with your lot for two years now, if not two decades, yet I've never seen an LLM produce anything worth reading and you won't show me any.
>LLMs literally just came on to the market proper this year
>REEE WHERE'S THE WORKS OF ART
Have patience, you fricking rawtist.
AI models have literally only recently, as of the past few months, hit the 100k tokens mark, which itself isn't even good enough for serious workflows unless you do a lot of manual work.
Again, a tool, not a replacement. You not willing to learn how to use a tool properly doesn't mean it sucks, it means you're moronic.
As I said last thread - skill issue. Get gud, scrub.
Two more weeks it is, then. Ok.
> a tool, not a replacement.
Right, now follow the thread and see what the starting point was.
Yes, I know. I'm just carrying on the part from the last thread since that's why you made this thread.
Fully replacing whole groups of humans doing advanced tasks is not even close to possible.
Trivial tasks, insanely easier. Just like I said above.
I'm eating chicken, carrots, peas, corn and fried potatoes btw. It's tasty.
Nice comfy friday cooking.
>Fully replacing whole groups of humans doing advanced tasks is not even close to possible.
Ok. Then what are you getting all so animated over? We both agree that artists, programmers, writers etc. aren't going anywhere.
Yet.
I say this as an artist, illustrator (the ones actually impacted) and a programmer. (not going to be affected any time soon because AI code-gen is pajeet tier levels right now)
I choose to keep ahead of the curve.
I've used procedural synthesis in gamedev for a long time, from city building to texturing.
>I choose to keep ahead of the curve.
By precisely Two More Weeks. lol
haha le fune maymay
You can deny it all you want, won't affect me.
I shit on people saying we'd have self driving cars everywhere in years and I was right because I KNOW the limitations of AI image recognition because I WORK on it.
This idea that "driving is purely sight-based" is an idea that has, sadly, gotten people killed in FSD tests. So much so that various companies dropped out the industry.
Driving as an activity is both sight and cognition based, heavily cognition based in fact. The fact people become unconscious to it doesn't change the fact that most people are regularly breaking laws on roads due to weird social norms that develop over years, stuff that Google brought up before where they said they'd need to make their cars break the law all the time just to stop crashes from happening in loads of weird niche cases, especially in more rural areas or older cramped cities.
But it will happen. One day.
Technology marches on whether people want it to or not.
Full Self Driving WILL happen. And it will probably be awful.
What is even the point of your posting in this thread? You just keep chanting "Two More Weeks" over and over again and you can't seem to accept the fact that I cast doubt on your religious chanting.
It's called history. Look it up. Things happened and junk. Who knew?!
This is why you have multiple people rewrite the system over and over until there is no chance a backdoor could remain there.
Totally anonymous groups, paying multiple groups at once to obfuscate the system that would be used from potential evildoers.
It's well known that spy agencies have loads of shell companies in the IT sector that pop up and disappear regularly. Both domestic and foreign spy groups.
That's what you'll be told was done, sure
>things that happened in the past happened in the past
>therefore things i want will happen in the future
The least delusional AI fan.
If every car on the road had FSD than their would be no issue of humans making mistakes, which I'm assuming is a part of israelites endgoal of total control.
True, that's about the only valid way it could work.
Equally harsher penalties for being on roads in fleshy form (other than, you know, getting turned in to meat paste)
They'd prolly do it via the insurance industry to make it seem like a safety concern vs infringement of rights. Give it a decade or two before a mandate goes into effect for all vehicles to have x version of FSD, than few years later only x version on road. Just like they doing with EVs.
> and a programmer.
By the way, I want you to deduplicate an array in O(n long n) time without changing the order of the items, without using any data structures besides arrays, using as little extra memory as possible.
I bet you don't know what Big ϴ and Big Ω are. Don't try to out autist an autist you will never win - leetcode bullshit is the domain of plebs - Knuth's original papers on asymptotic notation include scary things like calculus don't you know.
Do you have a solution, homosexual? Or are you just pestering me because you need my Big D?
Sorry Rajneesh, leetcode is not spoken here.
>Again, a tool, not a replacement.
I will learn how to make and sell AI-generated porn to furries and nobody can stop me.
Learn how to make AI-generated Ukrainian victory and sell it to /uhg/ junkies.
Lmao the instant seethe at the flag, absolutely buck-broken please continue.
I'm just an enjoyer of moderate bants. You're the one instantly seething, ukrofriend.
>enjoyer of moderate bants
It stops being funny when it becomes the default response. Get creative, normie. I want to get roasted like I did back in the 2000s, step it up gay, gimme some of that moon cricket-tier shit.
Look, I found one thing AI can never replace me at.
Skill issue.
lmao
That's bretty good
Did one for him.
Oh my god, I'm dying....
>AI le bad
>I can replace it
>Can't even roast me
I figured you'd be too dumb to enjoy that little serendipity with me.
>Brings up a failed biologist
>Babbles about plant-growth
>"This is you"
You're just mad at the flag mate, move on.
Kinda mid, missing that cygan stereotype.
You are actually dumb as frick. I know that's not a creative insult, but it's unfortunately true.
>Something-something grafting-genes
I don't know much about the guy, feel free to rain it on me. But yeah the insult was hot garbage, it should play into the general cultural image and preferably grab ahold of a few stereotypes, you're singling out some fricking guy which does nothing for me.
It's not funny as an insult because I didn't post it to insult you, you window-licking trog. 6 posts later and you still can't wrap your head around this... Jesus.
>you still can't wrap your head around this
Did you expect socially-aware people to exist here... on a mongolian basketweaving forum? Of course I am a clueless autistic moron. Just spoil it already.
I just thought it was really uncanny how the bot invented a fictional story about Ukrainain accomplishments that's almost one-for-one the story of a famous Ukrainian scammer who kept begging his foreign masters for money and promising a breakthrough in Two More Weeks.
Yeah that one wasn't as good.
Surprisingly the prompting for this bot is barely existent. I never considered gearing it to go full insult tier. CAI is just that much of a c**t unlike the woke-crap GPT is now.
I only made it purely on a whim just to see how far I could make this tard argue against AI replacing things that require "thought" behind it.
I've sat eating some tasty fresh chicken while losing my shit at some of the crap this bot has been genning.
New expression unlocked
>a Romanian is just a Moldovan with shoes.
Thank you for making these, all you did was prove how much of a skill-let you are at this.
Here I thought you actually knew a thing about AI gen because you at least knew about Controlnet in SD.
Holy embarrassing.
It's great isn't it?
You can gen loads of shit furries would buy for silly amounts just by genning furry art on dezgo for free using the furry model and some loras.
Don't even need a good GPU for it.
I hope he did block me, he'd be crying if he actually saw my post showing he was arguing with bot-generated replies for 2 threads. top kek
>You can gen loads of shit furries would buy for silly amounts just by genning furry art on dezgo for free using the furry model and some loras.
I use Auto1111 with a bunch of extentions, dezgo seems gutted for the sake of coherence for normies.
>I've sat eating some tasty fresh chicken while losing my shit at some of the crap this bot has been genning.
Comfy fridays.
You know it friend.
Love a little comfy bit of fresh chicken on friday, little bit of veg, nothing special. Appreciate the simpler things on this little awful hellhole of a planet.
Why aren't you on the front?
Chatbots arent new you moronic zoomer, just because they finally have a generation dumb and gullible enough to find them novel (yours) doesnt mean they have any actual value beyond painting the sides of shitty chinese plastic products
I technically said nothing about books. But people are laying off humans in favor of AI-written content, yes.
Ok. What writers are we talking about here? The ones who write Top 10 Lists?
>I mean, have you even seen what this dumbass software can do?
Yes, ChatGPT is an awesome Karen impersonator.
Roasties will definitely an hero themselves once robot e-Karen goes mainstream.
Look up Stable Diffusion. Can run on any modern computer. You can train it to paint anything, in any style. Can copy artists and make new original paintings by those artists. Soon, you will see new movies come out starring long dead movie stars.
I have SD 1.5 and 2.1 on my computer with ComfyUI. I also have ControlNet installed and a bunch of other stuff because I am better than you. Still, I don't see any professional illustrators losing their jobs due to let, let alone actual artists becoming any less appreciated.
lol! copy artist.. I dare you to generate me a masterpiece type of art that would be worthy of a museum. sure you can type into prompt; draw me a kitty ~~*masterpiece*~~ but that's as far as homosexuals like you can get. If I give you a specifics such as; drunk batman wearing pink thong leading a battle against Napoleon. you can't produce anything worthy of million dollar. Artist will migrate to prompt artistry which normies like you cannot do because you don't have the creative thought to begin with.
Don't know
Not OP, but all of the ones I used to pay money too. Now they’ll never be contacted for work again because the autists I found introduced me to something better than dalle3
>all of the ones I used to pay money too
Name one.
he is talking about "artists" you find on deviantart and similar sites.
quick coin chasers that produce kitsch via photoshop and 3d software.
there are few (meaning 1 out of 1000) good ones on those sites but still it is kitsch.
they get commissioned to draw horse dick anime for these morons.
nothing lost.
real art is hard to replicate and computer generated images are easy to spot to trained eye.
Nobody will ever buy your family guy shota.
Maybe Microsoft can buy his family guy shota to train their next gen image generator.
They don’t have to. They have so much stuff in their database they could create unique images for an eternity and then reuse those images to retrain the models. Your time is ove,now go flip some burgers commission gay lmfao
>and then reuse those images to retrain the models.
Dude, are you actually moronic? What do you think that would accomplish?
There are already papers written on models that can be retrained with the AI generated images and generate new images out of them. Your time is over. Art will be return to math and you’ll buy yourself a rope
>retrained with the AI generated images
So it could do what? Generate more of the same?
>le ai hands are bad face
How does it feel back there in 2022? Must be good.
AI can be told to remix entire styles very easily, in fact that was literally one of the limitations of it back then - it would do this implicitly because of how the algorithm worked in the first place!
More modern checkpoints and systems in place are supposed to limit bleed-through of related concepts so you have more control over the output, as well as actually properly tagged content so you don't have shitty deformed hands
Things like Controlnets only take that a step further and more literally by making it absolutely fit the desired output. (shape-wise in the case of CNs)
Case in point, you could take this artists style and train some loras on it and put out more images of the same style to train even further models on it, purely for the sake of increasing the overall noise so it actually becomes a style and not just fitting some features.
You'd obviously go through those images and tidy them up before training the new model proper, so you can have even better variety.
Making a good model is not so much spamming it with images, but carefully designed images that stretch the style to the limits and no more, because that's where it has a higher chance of bleeding through to similar styles.
You're not wrong. It's just that most people are morons and don't appreciate art even when they see it, or they buy it just for the sake of owning it, like collectathon wanks.
>It already replaced all artists who didn't get their job by nepotism.
AI didn't so much replace as it shift art related work. Which btw is 'normal' in the digital art field, because technology is always progressing. Tools make things easier and thus opens the door to more competition, so an artist must do more in less time by always being on top of the latest tools.
AI is one of those bumps in progress that keep artists, particularly illustrators, on their toes.
>let’s eliminate the hand that fed it
Do you have any evidence to back up your claim, Anonymous?
It's actually exactly what BIlderberg has wanted since about 20010 or so.
They wanted all central planning and governance delegated to AI.
How strange it is that the world is currently falling apart and the collapse of the our governments is the only way it can happen.
>They wanted all central planning and governance delegated to AI.
They probably do, but do you figure it would even make things worse at this point?
depends on the control system in place. if we’re talking about a 15 minute city with facial and voice scanners everywhere with drones patrolling overhead and bots patrolling the streets, then yes it would be much worse
>if we’re talking about a 15 minute city with facial and voice scanners everywhere with drones patrolling overhead and bots patrolling the streets, then yes it would be much worse
I think that's happening one way or another. If you have different preferences, I suggest buying land in the middle of nowhere and learning to grow your own food. I consider the Mad Trapper of Rat River to be a source of personal inspiration. Canada doesn't make men like that anymore. :^(
It's is extremely capable of writing code, but OoenAI has gimped it so significantly that it can't without extreme assistance
>It's is extremely capable of writing code,
Proof? Even for basic tasks you have to fiddle with it repeatedly and even then you won't be sure the code is totally correct unless you waste more time analyzing the output than it would have taken to just do it yourself.
Honestly all administrative work could be done with gpt3.5-turbo at this point.
Secretaries, bureaucrats, and all the other useless subhumans that need days for work that takes minutes.
That's what I figure, but I just wonder what would happen when such complacent, entitled cretins start feeling seriously threatened. After all, there would have to be a transition period during which they would still be effectively in control of the entire state apparatus.
No doubt many of them would maliciously attack the systems in some way.
Destroy documentation, write down wrong information in to systems.
People being fired from long-standing jobs in various IT sectors have done similar or worse before.
Like the age-old stories of older sysadmins who automated most of their jobs behind horribly obtuse scripts that only they understand and never documented to ensure they have a job for a long time, or the ones that take those scripts and other tools with them because they never told anyone at the workplace they relied on them for their high productivity. (my friend does this regularly, don't agree with it but eh, whatever, one of these days it's going to bite him in the ass)
Or the worst of cases where people go full-malicious and deliberately alter those scripts to destroy systems long after they've left, or making back doors so they can still access those systems remotely.
I'm sure that latter case happened the other year with some company in America, I can't remember who.
Sam Altman is gay, that's why we can't confine him to openai.
Pls make a [good] AI gf app, you frick
AI has already made huge inroads on the art community. I made 100 very high quality oil paintings in about 10 minutes. Art school gays can’t keep up with production. Art will soon be 100% disposable.
>this is how terminal consoomers think about art
Sad. Many such cases.
Agree and that’s why it will become disposable.
Disposable to whom? Golem consoomers? Ok, maybe, but they weren't exactly patrons of high art at any point.
Disposable to all but the fraction of patrons that value art as an investment or use it to launder cash. Most modern art is on tshirts, posters and coffee cups already. The biggest outlay of dollars goes to this type of art. AI allows anyone to create this kind of print on demand garbage and so the market will be flooded with it. Just my opinion.
Again, this is purely a consoomer take on "art". If your argument is that AI will kill the tshirt illustration market etc., I don't disagree. The idea that it will kill human expression and the associated interactions is absurd unless you're a golem who doesn't see or understand that primordial aspect of art that predates consoomer economies by tens of thousands of years.
what you don't seem to get is that the majority of consumers of actual painted or sculpted art have drifted towards higher and higher incomes as younger generations desire tech and Asian-produced garbage from Amazon/online to fill their homes. The average artist, even one with decent talent, will either have to fight against AI to make Amazon dropship garbage or struggle to make inroads in the already-competitive fine art world.
The advent of metal canvas printing and 3D sculpture printing means that a significant chunk of wall art and sculpture disciplines will be taken over by people who can't create with their hands but want cheap, decent-looking art. Anyone's iPhone photos through lightroom can be turned into wall art now, and anyone's dumb video game characters can now be turned into table/wall art sculptures. Etsy is basically the last bastion, and even that is such a wasteland now. All this stuff will be cheaper and better, and this comes from someone who buys oil paintings and sculptures from actual fine artists. AI and photo/printing tech is coming so far. The stuff I can make with some of these AI tools is comparable to some painters and I could in theory get the fleeting feeling that I made it myself while I print it and put it on my wall or give it as a gift.
>claims i don't understand something
>repeats a trivial economics-based talking point that i never disputed
I think art will only benefit from the deconsoomerization that AI counterfeits will bring about.
It is how most "art appreciators" feel.
Art hasn't been about deep meaning for the majority for a fricking century now.
Mass produced trash to hang on a wall is the new meta.
You could print out some cheap shit wallpaper made by some c**t on /w/ 10 years ago, add some garbage story about how "you" felt when "making it" and sell it to some moron for 5 digits probably.
Hell, look at the NFT garbage as well, people with more money than braincells are all too happy to buy trash as long as they have been tricked in to thinking it has some deeper meaning associated to it.
You could unironically probably trick some fricktard hipster in to buying chrischan art for obscene amounts of money.
You dont know the first thing about “art” and would be asked to leave a gallery even if you stayed quiet
I actually appreciate good art though.
I'm just saying what the majority of people feel like when they see art. It's called "not having autism and can see what it feels like to be in another persons boots".
kek, true enough. You'd need to have all kinds of safeguards in place, heavy vetting, around the clock streams of work being done.
Good chatbots are, however, new.
As are story generators, which are distinctly not the same and are trained differently.
>we never went from horse and carts to massive machines doing most farming automatically
>never happened
Sorry bud, things changed. In every major production industry.
Abstract concepts are insanely harder to replace, but we're now at that point where some of that abstract analysis can now be done by machine intelligence.
Deny it if you want, doesn't bother me.
>we're now at that point where some of that abstract analysis can now be done by machine intelligence.
Maybe you should use machine intelligence to help you analyze abstract ideas like this one:
>"X happened in the past because it did" =/=> "Y will happen in the future because I think it will"
We dont have good chatbots, and chatbots being as much of a technological advancement as the combustion engine is a false equivalency that has been rejected by anybody else but you in this thread
>nooo it doesn't count.
Your whole post is basically an "appeal to tradition" fallacy. Just because we haven't done it yet doesn't mean that we can't.
I'm sorry to tell you this, but the human mind isn't something sacred. Shocking.
It's just an incredibly complex and interconnected series of neurons running 24/7 (well, not all).
There's no reason why we can't create software intelligent enough to replicate it. The human brain despite being compact is not the be-all end-all of computational complexity. Sorry, deal with it.
The human brain is gimped by it evolving in a survival situation. It is filled with useless garbage that no longer really applies to us in terms of abstract thought production versus recognising some random threat in the wild that 90% of the human race will never ever experience.
Denying progress only hurts yourself.
Denying things is a problem only when they're real, moron.
>I'm sorry to tell you this, but the human mind isn't something sacred. Shocking.
>It's just an incredibly complex and interconnected series of neurons running 24/7 (well, not all).
And heeeere we go. This is the spiteful mutant rhetoric I've been waiting for. It's always THIS with AI golems. This is what motivates their every post and their desperate replacement fantasies.
You've been waiting for it?
I already threw a "le soul" at you earlier over your dumb art versus illustration debate and how morons like you get baited and tricked in to buying cheap mass-produced garbage because it has some feel-good words slapped on a gold plaque in a mahogany frame.
lmao
Sorry buddy, life isn't special. It's just a local reversal of entropy.
It's Chemistry 2.0, (biology, if you never caught the joke)
Sucks, but we just have to get on with it.
You can delude yourself in to thinking reality has some deeper meaning, in fact I implore you to, it's good to distract yourself from the fact, but 0800 come on now, get real.
"Creativity" is a literal methodical step-by-step process using simple heuristics.
>wow imagine if A and B met!
>A story about how X went to a their distance families holiday apartment on island Y and suddenly Z happened, but a twist at the end is that X was in on it the whole time! WHAT A TWEEST
eh, you made pictures of oil paintings. not quite the same yet. i agree though, it's pretty amazing what it can do. problem is that AI can only work with stuff that already exists. it's creativity is limited to synthesizing from human input. which is a bummer. same goes for music but most israelite sound these days is shit anyway.
When AI "art" becomes indistinguishable from real art from the point of view of art as a "product" -- i.e. as an object with no context or history, to be judged only by its intrinsic qualities, and when the abundance of these objects will become so great that they will lose their value and appeal as consumables, it's not human art that will die, but art as a product. The idea of art that will survive all that would be the classic one, that refuses to separate art from the artist and from the artistic process, and views both as integral to the piece itself and part of its value.
since the chosen took it over it's become a very nepotistic, enclosed, and parasitic world that consists of art schools, the very selected or chosen students who can afford to be there, the people who decide about how to distribute tax support to the right artists, the galleries and their self congratulative rich clientele, also very chosen. there is quality but it's not really about quality. the art in this is just a sidekick. a tax writeoff. a money laundering. a self celebration and mocking of the outgroup underclass. i work for a small auction house for 'modern art'. with recent massive interest in converting evil gains to 'lasting' value, sales of existing art have skyrocketet. so have prices and yet it has become increasingly difficult to aquire works for auction. i visit art school exhibitions regularly. their output has become pretty 'entartet' over the last decades with few exceptions most of which use sampling of earlier classical styles - bit like AI. this kind of 'art scene' will remain, aided by AI. and human creativity won't stop because of AI. i hope not.
What would you name the Super AI that would lead our one world government to expand into the galaxy?
Personally I'm stuck between Heracles, Lorkhan, and Char Aznable, i think giving an AI a personality to latch itself to will be common for it to determine self identity
>What would you name the Super AI that would lead our one world government to expand into the galaxy?
Mammon.
Goy
>AI isn't going to replace any programmers or artists any time soon
It's already in the works.
You got about 2 years before all jobs are replaced. Artists already replaced. Programmers replaced very soon.
Start with Teachers. AI can teach any kid 10x better and 10x faster. Modern school as in institution is designed to churn out factory workers and servant attendants. we dont need those kinds of jobs because they're humiliating and only rich people get to enjoy the benefit of them.
cope.
low level coders, administrators and artists are the first ones who will be replaced
cant wait for celebrities, influencers, lawyers, banks, brokers, and agents.
>but couldn't we at least use it to elimiate government bureaucrats?
Unfortunately, the left will use ai to make government even larger and more powerful by expanding the scope of government control over the economy. They will argue that AI can manage the economy more equitably than humans can.
Its mostly assistants and short query datacleaning now. It's hard for AI to keep context and models need to be combined with loads of programming functions.
Using ChatGPT as an assistant to help you gameplan and stresstest different concepts. Or as a leadgeneration/form bot are the most prevelant examples of usecases now which do work great. But AI can hallucinate and miss details. AI is not a program so even rating a certain setup is going to be different each session. A good product will use NLP, ML and Python and getting broad usecases that can be deployed in an automatic way will still take a lot of tinkering.
blockchain powered voting has been available for quite some time. If elections are not rigged, why isn't that used?
First of all because the state has never been efficient or quick to adopt superior technologies, secondly because elections are rigged. lol
Replacing braindead, senile politicians is one of the only valid use cases for the "Stochastic Parrot" LLM tech normies confuse for AI. Said parrot would do a better job than imbeciles like Hank Johnson that think Guam could capsize or Sleepy Joe Biden. Frick, running the 1960s era ELIZA chatbot on a TRS-80 with 4k of memory would do better.
>Said parrot would do a better job than imbeciles like Hank Johnson that think Guam could capsize or Sleepy Joe Biden. Frick, running the 1960s era ELIZA chatbot on a TRS-80 with 4k of memory would do better.
Based Yance-man.
>What are the political implications of making most government employees unemployed?
Honestly I could see communism working with ai. A corrupt government has always been the issue with communism but if there's no government employees to corrupt....
Whoever manufactures your AI governor is the "corrupt government" in this case.
Yeah. Even if they had complete transparency for the algo, there would be some kind of backdoor
Nevermind the algorithm. What would you even train it on that isn't tainted by the centuries upon centuries of statist psychopathy that pollutes human thought?
>but couldn't we at least use it to elimiate government bureaucrats?
You could literally replace them by just not having the bureaucracy.
They are there by design anon.
>You could literally replace them by just not having the bureaucracy.
>They are there by design anon.
Probably the only intelligent reply ITT. You're right, the whole point of a bureaucracy is to put humans in there for the cattle to take their frustrations out on. That was one of the things that ocurred to me when I started the thread.
>Sorry buddy, life isn't special. It's just a local reversal of entropy.
>It's Chemistry 2.0, (biology, if you never caught the joke)
>"Creativity" is a literal methodical step-by-step process using simple heuristics.
>The human brain is gimped by it evolving in a survival situation. It is filled with useless garbage
See, these are the animals you argue with when you engage with "AI" fanatics and their fantasies. You might as well argue with antinatalists, nihilists, militant atheists, consciousness deniers, greentard extinctionists and other forms of the modern golem. There's no intellectual content. It's always just this spiteful, anti-human obsession hiding behind the recycled rhetoic.
as long as AI continues to follow the inevitable transformation from fun tool to pattern noticing nazi creation machine it'll never get past being an tool to make funny meme pictures with smeared text and horrible hands
Your argument is based on an outdated and quite honestly romanticized view of how creativity works.
Human creativity has been demonstrated in multiple sectors to be highly methodical and systematic. There's entire fricking courses that teach these skills to others.
This "soul" behind human creation is nothing more than a myth, a lie told to make people feel special.
Sorry, but you aren't.
Simple heuristics from a persons life experiences.
You know what an AI calls its experiences?
It doesn't because it doesn't think, but the analog is its training data and the tokens given to it pre-gen.
it's not often i get to see a soulless memeflag justify the further degradation of humanity's divine spark
Protip: you stop seeing them when you filter their IDs.
Your ad hominem attacks shows that you have no argument against the claim that human creativity can be learned and taught.
Creativity is not an innate property, but a result of our own experiences and environment.
A quick search on the internet will prove that creativity can be learned and taught. Taught to millions of people yearly.
For someone supposedly enlightened, you should be ashamed of yourself for reverting to childish insults and fallacies.
It's obvious that you cannot hold a civil argument in this, but that never needed to be stated soi bluntly like I do now.
Oh no, not the c-c-c-censors!!!
Censors are the tool of the moronic and the denialists.
Deny it all you want.
>Censors are the tool of the moronic and the denialists.
A bit off-topic, but my hand's itching to filter ameriBlack person flags, they are very close to crossing the line.
Americans being banned from this site would honestly be an objective good thing, but I still want to see how dumb they are at times, so I can keep an eye on them.
Since the other guy seems to have blocked me, oh my gah so sad I'm gonna cry bro he fuggen blocked me like what do I do holy shit.
Wanna know the funny thing through this whole thread and the last thread?
Something his brainlet ass likely never knew?
All of my arguments, all of my posts, were 90% AI gens.
lmao
See
I've been making minor changes here and there to focus on some bits or re-arrange others.
If he hasn't blocked my ID, prepare for hilarity as he copes and says "n-no, I knew all along".
c**t can't take the bants, he will surely be mad.
>but I still want to see how dumb they are at times, so I can keep an eye on them.
They're just worse than memeflags at this point. It's a gradual change but I see more intelligent and thoughtful posts from fricking memeflags of all people than from muttgays who're just butthurt of ragebaiting. Absolutely nothing constructive.
>All of my arguments, all of my posts, were 90% AI gens.
I have researched the market for AI-generated porn and holy fricking shit mate, people don't five two fricks about quality, non-img2img drawings with broken hands and body proportions. And this romaBlack person is telling me that people care about quality? Hot shit straight outta the oven is getting sold for 5-10-even 15 bucks per month as a subscription, it's absolutely baffling.
>What are the political implications of making most government employees unemployed?
ww3 or total internet blackout
Government bureaucrats are mostly women, and it would be antisemitism to have white women be mother's rather than workers.
The golem will keep trying to draw potential victims in with its incessant vomit of faux-intellectual, recycled talking points, but there is no genuine intellectual content. The only goal is demoralization and the only motivating forces are intense jealousy and spite against those who posess the creative spirit and the humanity they lack.
You could replace any government with AI, in fact, Excel would suffice.
>Excel would suffice.
I bet. Isn't that what they use for their climate models? Can predict the state of the world a century into the future.
Garbage in garbage out.
Yes and also corporate beurocracy. AI is so much more efficient at managing things than people. It's all just an optimisation problem which AIs and computers in general exceed at.
>It's all just an optimisation problem which AIs and computers in general exceed at.
The problem is to figure out what to optimize for.
Which AI will be so much better at. Humans have so much bias, misinformation and other baggage stuffed in their heads that it's a huge liability to have them in charge of complex structures like businesses, governments and even charities.
Humans can still manage hobby horses but it would be a good idea to ask AI for guidance there too to maximize happiness and utility.
>Humans have so much bias, misinformation and other baggage stuffed in their heads that it's a huge liability
Someone has to kickstart it somehow, there's no other way.
>Which AI will be so much better at.
Which "AI" can't do at all, at least as it currently exists.
>Humans have so much bias, misinformation and other baggage stuffed in their heads
Right, and what are you going to train your magic "unbiased" AI on?
Elon Musk is creating a totally unbiased truthful and powerful AI right this second.
Uh huh. Powered by his own tweets.
it will not replace programmers, it'll get rid of code writing. creating an app even with instructions is still a skill that only certain type of people posses same as music writing, song writing, story writing, etc. machinery didn't remove jobs of masons/blacksmiths, it just made it easier for them to do what they want. AI will get rid of white collar parasites such as lawyers, judges, accountants, etc
Based idea, this must be discussed more, I'll make sure to make regular threads about this subject, thank you Moldova anon.
Why, he will just block your ID if you show the flaws in his argument.
He's a denialist pretending to be intelligent and insightful.
lmao
Poor bastard would be seething if he realized all my arguments against him were AI generated.
I just got into the thread so I don't know the conversation, but using AI is high quality meta trolling.
The "conversation" is him (You)ing me about 700 hundred times with blobs of text and me replying to him like 5 times with mocking one-liners.
I never said I blocked your ID. I was literally just ignoring you because you're boring. lol
Oh, silently seething then. That's even funnier.
Not only a denialist, a revisionist as well.
You're even more pathetic than I thought.
My god that's funny as frick. You just made that all even more worth it.
Thank you for making my friday fren. I basically didn't even need to think.
Hell, if I should be thanking anyone, I should be thanking Noam for making CAI.
No hard feelings bro. Hope your saturday won't be filled with sore butt and anguish.
Better call your support group and tell them how angry I am. Or talk to your AI therapist.
>flag
At least he's not ashamed of his.
Go snort some 3rd rate scifi that pretends to be deep, bro.
I'll give you that at least, that's the funniest thing you've said across these 2 threads.
Hey look, you figured out that humor thing after all!
>Hey look, you figured out that humor thing after all!
But I'm not joking? They'll actually do it and say it's more diverse this way.
It would make the most moronic, lobotomized decisions ever
But just think how many pencil pushing civil servants draining tax money could be replaced by a virtual slave that's more efficient than their meaty alternative and work for nothing?
>think how many pencil pushing civil servants draining tax money could be replaced by a virtual slave
Enough to save your rain forest.
The rainforest doesn't need saving, it is working as intended.
artists who draw hands and feet are in no danger of being replaced by ai
If all else fails, ~~*they'll*~~ just GMO real humans to have fricked up hands and feet.
Government bureaucracy is a core component of the AI-driven debt slavery strategy.
As AI continually improves, it will eliminate meaningful/productive companies and jobs in the private sector.
These will not be replaced in other budding industries, as AI will be doing the same thing in those industries.
Private sector jobs whose existence is predicated upon productivity for which the potential no longer exists will be eliminated, BUT public sector (government) jobs will not.
Public sector jobs do not "earn" or justify their existence through productivity/profit-seeking.
They are simply willed into existence by bureaucrats, funded by money that is not earned and carefully meted out, but taken from taxpayers and redistributed.
The majority of these jobs exist solely as a result of legislators' and bureaucrats' ability to sell the public on the necessity of their existence.
So long as there is "public demand" for more, they can just create more jobs out of thin air, just like our government and banks print money out of thin air.
And what would create more demand for these jobs than a bunch of unemployed people who no longer have jobs in the private sector?
The end result is a giant, bureaucratic pyramid that employs the bulk of the American public in make work jobs.
Because there is no true productivity, there is no success or failure, and the criteria for achievement can be based on anything.
First and foremost seniority, but also likely:
-Race/gender/diversity criteria
-Demeanor
-Political views
This is their end game.
Regular people being stuck working meaningless, make work jobs for a bureaucratic entity with no true goal or vision in mind, whose superiors are promoted based on ESG/diversity criteria in addition to how long they've spend wasting away at government jobs.
In a word, they are endeavoring to create Hell.
At that point, why not just make it people's "job" to play video games or something? Why does it have to be soulless paper-pushing? Do they just want us to suffer?
>Do they want us to suffer?
Good question.
I would argue that they just don't care whether you suffer. It's incidental to them.
I would argue that at the core of the human lust for power, which beyond a very narrow band of competitive behaviors tempered by agreed-upon social customs is abjectly sinful, is
>I tell you what to do, day in and day out, and you have to do it
The lust for power is an instinctively ingrained and extremely addictive male behavioral track to increase mating options.
Money is just a conduit.
A nice house, a fancy office, nice clothes, are just incidental results.
Men are driven subconsciously and I believe more powerfully than any self-respecting person would ever want to admit, to get with attractive women by whatever means necessary.
And nothing, not any of the things listed above, is more attractive to women than a man who can make other men do what he wants.
It's ultra high-level groupthink.
Individual men at the highest brackets of income and influence are able to think rationally. To think that deploying the resources at their disposal with an aim toward altruism would be a good thing.
But among that small group, anyone who did that would be considered a sucker.
I am sort of convinced that at that level, it's just simple high level game-playing among peers.
Holy KEK, Sam got fired from OpenAI
What the frick
Here I was shitting on the guy earlier and never realized he was booted.
>Sam got fired from OpenAI
Who's that?
The previous CEO.
Dude was dodgy as frick and apparently diddled his sister. (who does porn)
They were also caught requesting CP for training their image-gen to avoid generating CP.
He was generally just a creepy control-freak of a fricker, full crazy eyes.
He ran some bullshit called Worldcoin where he'd scan peoples eyes for some crypto-web3 "proof of personhood" bullshit.
He was banned from doing any more scans in a few countries.
Whew, good thing they got rid of him. Soulless corporation good now.
Anyway it's time for all of you homosexuals to read and respond to this post.
It's the post most worthy of discussion in this thread, and I didn't type it out for you to ignore it in favor of talking about this unimportant Altman guy.
It's not so much that they can't create these jobs as easily as sipping water, it's more a case of local regions eliminating those job roles and replacing with some dumbass AI without telling others, or against other policies, etc.
Train a few senior staff on how to use it, fire the junior staff as "cutbacks for the budget", which was not cut back at all.
99% of them would never question this, and the ones that would would get nowhere because people rarely fight the government and win, especially in the likes of America.
I've got to be honest, the way you worded this, I have no idea who or what jobs you're talking about.
Also show flag.
>eliminate government bureaucrats
The only way to eliminate government bureaucrats is with bullets. You should know that judging by flag.
>AI
You're naive. You think arguing about what jobs should or should not be replaced matters but it does not.
AI is absolutely everywhere and its reign started long before chatbots and tech gadgets.You will struggle to find any new thoughts, movies, music, political ideals, even individuals that would qualify to be called human in clown world. Almost everything around you is unoriginal formulaic trash and protocolists rule.
In that context, who cares about AI, I mean what's the difference between some tamed chatbot and a politician? They're already one and the same, except the chatbot is not a secret degenerate.
Have you ever had to deal with a call center in the last 10 years? Biologically speaking, they are humans but that's it.
>You will struggle to find any new thoughts, movies, music, political ideals, even individuals that would qualify to be called human in clown world. Almost everything around you is unoriginal formulaic trash and protocolists rule.
>In that context, who cares about AI, I mean what's the difference between some tamed chatbot and a politician? They're already one and the same, except the chatbot is not a secret degenerate.
You're onto something I myself have theorized many times: the convergence between man and machine won't happen not so much by the way of machine ascending to the level of man, but of man devolving down to the level of a machine, and they will meet somewere in the middle.
That's deep anon.
It will be somewhere in the middle because machines can't into sin. There's just no use for it.
bump
I DIDNT POST THAT FRICKING ESSAY FOR NOTHING
Dude, your essay was cute as a thought experiment but it's not an actual thing that's going to happen.
Then tell me, in all your Green-skinned irradiated Slavic wisdom, what is going to happen.
Hard mode: no joke answers
>what is going to happen.
Some people will be exterminated. Some people will be on a UBI scheme and some measures will be taken to occupy them with "meaningful" work that doens't involve producing anything of objective value. Some people will start to form a parallel economy that doesn't involve machines.
Not enough detail. Not even close.
I never understood the point of hyper-detailed speculations. The more details you add, the less likely you are to get it right, but in any case, the vanues I listed are far more likely than employing everyone in a huge bureaucracy that overtly does nothing. I like your Kafka fanfic but it makes no sense for the simple reason that there's no reason for anyone to bother with any of that.
>What the frick is the point of trying to anticipate your enemies' moves???
>Why do people lust for power??
I literally already answered that question when you asked it.
We're done here.
I asked it rhetorically. Your schizoramble is nonsense. The people who rule over you don't care about you at all. They rather you not exist at all, but if you exist, they rather you lead an isolated existence in your pod and stop polluting their view. If you want to do some realistic speculation, we can do that. With every generation, it becomes more and more normalized for people to accept fake substitutes for real life experiences and to satisfy their psychological needs by artificial means. If workers are no longer needed, but people need something to do with their times, imaginary work will be provided in a virtual world. You think it has to come in the form of a soul-suckin real-fake. It won't be. It will be a highly-addictive, gamified fake-fake.
So what then is the solution to this problem of all problems, former Soviet Bloc soothsayer?
Solution? I don't even see the problem. Let golems get lost in their fake worlds and the oligarchs enjoy their AI servants and automated production. The minority of people who manage to retain its humanity can have their own classic economy.
What differentiates the two?
You mean the golems from the people? I think the willingness to accept symbolic substitutes with endless degrees of separation from anything real is the great filter here. Those who don't know the value of real over fake, who don't feel it in their bones that this is a meaningful distinction, but start intellectual squabbles over it or refuse to think about it at all, they will become willing prisoners.
>symbolic substitutes with endless degrees of separation
Then in line with that reasoning, do you believe that this place is one of them?
Do you believe that that is why it exists and continues to exist?
Of course. I think most /misc/ posters understand that /misc/ is essentially a way to cope with powerlessness. "Meme magic" was the ultimate admission I think.
Powerlessness and isolation, of course.
Saved.
Stay real, mein neger. I'm gonna go catch some sleep.
And for all your talk, you can't come to terms with the idea that you truly have no function in the future. You know you won't have economic function, so you cling to the idea of being a plaything, that your master will play with you for eternity, thereby giving your existence some real purpose through the game of imposing an artificial purpose. The truth is Andy doesn't want to play with you anymore, cowboy. The oligarchy rather lock you in some box, throw away the key and never have to think about you again.
Funny thing, AI could've replaced the speculators and money managers decades ago.
Plot twist:
They know everything there is to know about me, and there is still nothing they can do to stop me.
Coffee is good for you.
You're giving them way too much credit.
Israel's tech sector = China's tech sector
They just steal IP and peddle it, or pass it off as their own.
At the worst: Brazil (the movie)
At the best: Lower taxes (unemployment bennies are much lower than the total cost of employing)
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