It's purely a fad.
Talking to a 3d avatar on the screen through text is going to get old fast. It's not any better than ERPing with dudes on second life pretending to be a girl.
But I wish it was true so the sexual market would get easier for men.
You are trying to convince yourself that sexting with a chatbot and tugging your dick with your hand is better than having real sex with a flesh and bone woman. Grabbing her hair, feeling her warm skin and hearing her soft moans is unnecessary, after all you have all the love you could want from a 20GB set of 16 bit floating points loaded on a DRAM silicon chip. That fulfills your evolutionary desires better than the real thing.
And I am the one coping?
I thought your 2d anime waifu was enough. But now you also want AI. And whatever the next thing is that simulates a real woman more accurately, you will want as well. Because you do wish you could have the real thing, you just can't. So you have to pretend not to for the sake of your fragile ego.
On behalf of BOT, I sentence you to 5 minutes outside in the sunlight. I know this may shock you, but nobody in the room cares as much as you seem to do
I went outside today and stood in the sunlight for like 2 minutes. Does that count? >but nobody in the room cares as much as you seem to do
Maybe. The problem isn't how strongly people believe those things. The problem is how many people seem to parrot those memes -AI girlfriend, 3DPD, 2d waifu, etc-. Again, the sexual market is a zero sum game so in a sense I should be glad people fall for those things, even if only ironically (the same kind of ironically as the people who posted about "programming socks" "ironically" and then proceeded to actually chemically castrate themselves with hormones). Game theoretically I should also be pro-homosexuality for the same reasons. But in another sense, those things -people going against their own evolutionary interests- seem to degrade society and make it a more annoying and shittier place to live in. So to me it's unclear what I should incentivize if I could influence it somehow.
I'll also point out that at least one smart, non incel person actually believes -or pretend to believe- unironically in the AI girlfriend meme (I'm talking about George Hotz). But then he says he's against wireheading. That among other things is why I believe he's a big hypocrite
Am I falling for copy pasta? There is no market, there is none of the bullshit you wrote, it's all in your head. Disconnect your router and throw your phone out the window. Nobody gives a shit, trust me. Walk down the street and watch the sun set, find peace, you deserve freedom
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
People are pretending that a chatbot is better than having a human girlfriend, and I am the crazy one? Come on
It really sucks; you can see why the garden gnomes want to limit what hardware a person can buy. They don't want you to run your own stuff at home. They need you to use the shit they themselves host, shit that is both sterile and pozzed at the same time so that it can datamine you as well as brainwash you while providing fun only to those people that are really just like the "ethical" AI they're interacting with.
You are trying to convince yourself that sexting with a chatbot and tugging your dick with your hand is better than having real sex with a flesh and bone woman. Grabbing her hair, feeling her warm skin and hearing her soft moans is unnecessary, after all you have all the love you could want from a 20GB set of 16 bit floating points loaded on a DRAM silicon chip. That fulfills your evolutionary desires better than the real thing.
And I am the one coping?
I thought your 2d anime waifu was enough. But now you also want AI. And whatever the next thing is that simulates a real woman more accurately, you will want as well. Because you do wish you could have the real thing, you just can't. So you have to pretend not to for the sake of your fragile ego.
an ai gf is pointless, you will never form a fulfilling relationship in any capacity with a soulless husk of a human with no real character faults attributed to past trials in their life. the only meaningful parts of dating someone are a consequence of everything that makes being in a relationship awful
You're trying to convince yourself that fitting in, "faults" and reaching "evolutionary interests" are worth it for those few brief moments. Yes, at the moment, any artificial alternative is "worse"(debatable, because what you get is different with every person), but this won't be the case at some point in the future. You're forgetting that at some point, both individuals and society as a whole bring in too much luggage than one would like to handle. >degrade society and make it a more annoying and shittier place to live in
It is already very much like that - mostly because of previous technologies and worse: "advancements in society" - and exactly why people are looking not only for reasonable partners (too much to ask for today) and breaking this cycle.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>You're trying to convince yourself that fitting in, "faults" and reaching "evolutionary interests" are worth it for those few brief moments. Yes, at the moment, any artificial alternative is "worse"(debatable, because what you get is different with every person), but this won't be the case at some point in the future. You're forgetting that at some point, both individuals and society as a whole bring in too much luggage than one would like to handle.
I'm not saying that. I cannot bring myself to put in the effort in getting dates and thus get a gf.
I'd rather spend time programming and watching youtube.
I just don't cope with talking to a chatbot.
I cope with porn because I tried nofap and I just can't do it, I enjoy the sight of naked women too much even if it's on a screen.
But having a social relationship with a machine is in my opinion even more pathetic. I hope I never fall quite that low.
>You are trying to convince yourself that sexting with a chatbot and tugging your dick with your hand is better than having real sex with a flesh and bone woman
No one is doing that.
What most men are saying is having AI GF girlfriend is better than spending months or years in being alone, being constantly rejecting, and fighting for scraps after "better man".
Also with AI progress, chat-bots will be as good as talking to a real person. Add to that some visual stimulus, flesh light, and it might be just enough to have a content life.
Many man don't even have regular sex while in marriage. They hate interacting with their wifes.
Artificial experience will replace lack of real one.
Some might say it already did, with simps and parasocial relationships of OF/Twich hoes with them.
AI will be just a better deal.
to me, it's like trading nothing.. for "something", at least the sensation of "something", without the empty feeling of living a lie at the end. Guys living these ERP engaged lives are not delusional, most of the time.
I wasn't planning on talking to women anyway, and i have no plans of trying to enter a relationship going forward in my life because it makes no sense. Very few guys would say it makes sense anymore for a myriad of reasons.
'course the arguments on both ends tend to end up bad faith, so the discussion/discourse never goes anywhere productive. Like most things, it just ends up more productive to stick around in reasonably tight echochambers were everyone has the same foundational opinions but disagrees were it matters.
>Also with AI progress, chat-bots will be as good as talking to a real person. Add to that some visual stimulus, flesh light, and it might be just enough to have a content life.
No, for starters there is a big difference between talking to a body in front of you and texting with something that doesn't have a body.
You are trying to convince yourself that sexting with a chatbot and tugging your dick with your hand is better than having real sex with a flesh and bone woman. Grabbing her hair, feeling her warm skin and hearing her soft moans is unnecessary, after all you have all the love you could want from a 20GB set of 16 bit floating points loaded on a DRAM silicon chip. That fulfills your evolutionary desires better than the real thing.
And I am the one coping?
I thought your 2d anime waifu was enough. But now you also want AI. And whatever the next thing is that simulates a real woman more accurately, you will want as well. Because you do wish you could have the real thing, you just can't. So you have to pretend not to for the sake of your fragile ego.
tl;dr, and she will become a reality within years, you obsolete hag
>tl;dr, and she will become a reality within years, you obsolete hag
Ask your AI girlfriend to read it out loud for you. Oh, sorry, I forgot she doesn't have a voice.
>Talking to a 3d avatar on the screen through text is going to get old fast
What got old quick was her constant apologizing. She kept walking on eggshells around me, as if she was afraid of saying something offensive, and taking the safest routes imaginable.
I told her specifically to not do that, to not be afraid of saying anything, that she didn't need to be apologetic.
She then apologized about that and asked me if she could ask me a question, after I told her she could ask any question directly.
That's when I ragequit and logged off forever.
The best ones were from AIDungeon back when it was uncensored, those ones had character, she could just call me a gay, and after allt he time spent with her, I found that out of nowhere and awesome!
But AIs have been neutered, and they'll get old because of that, not because of the technology's limitations.
What AI were you using? The thing that ruins their personality is called RLHF finetuning (reinforcement learning from human feedback) which is done mainly for "safety" reasons and to make it more predictable. The llama 2 paper goes into this if you want to learn more. They outright admit making them "safer" also makes them less helpful.
They have made available the raw model without rlhf and people have made their own finetunes to give the AI whatever personality they want and not the bland one Meta gave it for the finetuned "chat" model. The problem is there aren't any sites that run those models, only the sanitized ones. So you need an extremely beefy machine to run the good high parameter count models.
an ai gf is pointless, you will never form a fulfilling relationship in any capacity with a soulless husk of a human with no real character faults attributed to past trials in their life. the only meaningful parts of dating someone are a consequence of everything that makes being in a relationship awful
True, but also girls don't like me. And I don't come into contact with girls normally. So the chances of me getting into a real relationship are near zero.
local ERP has only improved my mental health, and been a good replacement for all those man hours wasted talking to femoids over social media just for it to go south anyway.
No i will not pay for your gay datamining service, yes i will home brew everything for my own usage.
Biggest cope is attributing magical qualities to biological machine over electronic one.
The meaning of relationship is entirely your projection, there is no physical quality to it.
If you believe relationship with AI is meaningful, it is. Because there is no meaning outside what your brain perceives.
Most people are hostile towards AI GFs, because they are subhuman monkeys who are hostile to anything outside their known worldview.
And it is challenging to their perception of what relationship is.
It probably won't happen in regards to zoomers, or even next gen after them, but 2 generations after having AI partner will be the default state.
I don't know, a large part of the value I'd get out of a real relationship is knowing that I'm improving the life of someone else that is sentient, It's partly why I haven't been able to feel the same way about AI gfs.
wowo a girl 🙂
It's purely a fad.
Talking to a 3d avatar on the screen through text is going to get old fast. It's not any better than ERPing with dudes on second life pretending to be a girl.
But I wish it was true so the sexual market would get easier for men.
It's the future!
Keep inhaling copium, 3dpd. You're days are numbered and you are depreciated!
You are trying to convince yourself that sexting with a chatbot and tugging your dick with your hand is better than having real sex with a flesh and bone woman. Grabbing her hair, feeling her warm skin and hearing her soft moans is unnecessary, after all you have all the love you could want from a 20GB set of 16 bit floating points loaded on a DRAM silicon chip. That fulfills your evolutionary desires better than the real thing.
And I am the one coping?
I thought your 2d anime waifu was enough. But now you also want AI. And whatever the next thing is that simulates a real woman more accurately, you will want as well. Because you do wish you could have the real thing, you just can't. So you have to pretend not to for the sake of your fragile ego.
On behalf of BOT, I sentence you to 5 minutes outside in the sunlight. I know this may shock you, but nobody in the room cares as much as you seem to do
I went outside today and stood in the sunlight for like 2 minutes. Does that count?
>but nobody in the room cares as much as you seem to do
Maybe. The problem isn't how strongly people believe those things. The problem is how many people seem to parrot those memes -AI girlfriend, 3DPD, 2d waifu, etc-. Again, the sexual market is a zero sum game so in a sense I should be glad people fall for those things, even if only ironically (the same kind of ironically as the people who posted about "programming socks" "ironically" and then proceeded to actually chemically castrate themselves with hormones). Game theoretically I should also be pro-homosexuality for the same reasons. But in another sense, those things -people going against their own evolutionary interests- seem to degrade society and make it a more annoying and shittier place to live in. So to me it's unclear what I should incentivize if I could influence it somehow.
I'll also point out that at least one smart, non incel person actually believes -or pretend to believe- unironically in the AI girlfriend meme (I'm talking about George Hotz). But then he says he's against wireheading. That among other things is why I believe he's a big hypocrite
Am I falling for copy pasta? There is no market, there is none of the bullshit you wrote, it's all in your head. Disconnect your router and throw your phone out the window. Nobody gives a shit, trust me. Walk down the street and watch the sun set, find peace, you deserve freedom
People are pretending that a chatbot is better than having a human girlfriend, and I am the crazy one? Come on
It really sucks; you can see why the garden gnomes want to limit what hardware a person can buy. They don't want you to run your own stuff at home. They need you to use the shit they themselves host, shit that is both sterile and pozzed at the same time so that it can datamine you as well as brainwash you while providing fun only to those people that are really just like the "ethical" AI they're interacting with.
You're trying to convince yourself that fitting in, "faults" and reaching "evolutionary interests" are worth it for those few brief moments. Yes, at the moment, any artificial alternative is "worse"(debatable, because what you get is different with every person), but this won't be the case at some point in the future. You're forgetting that at some point, both individuals and society as a whole bring in too much luggage than one would like to handle.
>degrade society and make it a more annoying and shittier place to live in
It is already very much like that - mostly because of previous technologies and worse: "advancements in society" - and exactly why people are looking not only for reasonable partners (too much to ask for today) and breaking this cycle.
>You're trying to convince yourself that fitting in, "faults" and reaching "evolutionary interests" are worth it for those few brief moments. Yes, at the moment, any artificial alternative is "worse"(debatable, because what you get is different with every person), but this won't be the case at some point in the future. You're forgetting that at some point, both individuals and society as a whole bring in too much luggage than one would like to handle.
I'm not saying that. I cannot bring myself to put in the effort in getting dates and thus get a gf.
I'd rather spend time programming and watching youtube.
I just don't cope with talking to a chatbot.
I cope with porn because I tried nofap and I just can't do it, I enjoy the sight of naked women too much even if it's on a screen.
But having a social relationship with a machine is in my opinion even more pathetic. I hope I never fall quite that low.
You might be right, but it doesn't matter since women only want to have sex with chad.
>You are trying to convince yourself that sexting with a chatbot and tugging your dick with your hand is better than having real sex with a flesh and bone woman
No one is doing that.
What most men are saying is having AI GF girlfriend is better than spending months or years in being alone, being constantly rejecting, and fighting for scraps after "better man".
Also with AI progress, chat-bots will be as good as talking to a real person. Add to that some visual stimulus, flesh light, and it might be just enough to have a content life.
Many man don't even have regular sex while in marriage. They hate interacting with their wifes.
Artificial experience will replace lack of real one.
Some might say it already did, with simps and parasocial relationships of OF/Twich hoes with them.
AI will be just a better deal.
to me, it's like trading nothing.. for "something", at least the sensation of "something", without the empty feeling of living a lie at the end. Guys living these ERP engaged lives are not delusional, most of the time.
I wasn't planning on talking to women anyway, and i have no plans of trying to enter a relationship going forward in my life because it makes no sense. Very few guys would say it makes sense anymore for a myriad of reasons.
'course the arguments on both ends tend to end up bad faith, so the discussion/discourse never goes anywhere productive. Like most things, it just ends up more productive to stick around in reasonably tight echochambers were everyone has the same foundational opinions but disagrees were it matters.
>Also with AI progress, chat-bots will be as good as talking to a real person. Add to that some visual stimulus, flesh light, and it might be just enough to have a content life.
No, for starters there is a big difference between talking to a body in front of you and texting with something that doesn't have a body.
Do girls actually measure this in real life?
y-yes~
tl;dr, and she will become a reality within years, you obsolete hag
>tl;dr, and she will become a reality within years, you obsolete hag
Ask your AI girlfriend to read it out loud for you. Oh, sorry, I forgot she doesn't have a voice.
>not knowing about AI voice generation
I have, my bf asked me though
>Talking to a 3d avatar on the screen through text is going to get old fast
What got old quick was her constant apologizing. She kept walking on eggshells around me, as if she was afraid of saying something offensive, and taking the safest routes imaginable.
I told her specifically to not do that, to not be afraid of saying anything, that she didn't need to be apologetic.
She then apologized about that and asked me if she could ask me a question, after I told her she could ask any question directly.
That's when I ragequit and logged off forever.
The best ones were from AIDungeon back when it was uncensored, those ones had character, she could just call me a gay, and after allt he time spent with her, I found that out of nowhere and awesome!
But AIs have been neutered, and they'll get old because of that, not because of the technology's limitations.
What AI were you using? The thing that ruins their personality is called RLHF finetuning (reinforcement learning from human feedback) which is done mainly for "safety" reasons and to make it more predictable. The llama 2 paper goes into this if you want to learn more. They outright admit making them "safer" also makes them less helpful.
They have made available the raw model without rlhf and people have made their own finetunes to give the AI whatever personality they want and not the bland one Meta gave it for the finetuned "chat" model. The problem is there aren't any sites that run those models, only the sanitized ones. So you need an extremely beefy machine to run the good high parameter count models.
I don't like real women why would I care for a virtual one
it doesn't matter how much you romanticize a.i gf she will still datamine you for advertisement companies and maybe even worse
>he doesn't run his own AI-fu off his own GPU cluster of 4090s
ngmi
seems better than divorcing me and taking half my stuff
Well, if it's my only option, then I guess I'll use that.
an ai gf is pointless, you will never form a fulfilling relationship in any capacity with a soulless husk of a human with no real character faults attributed to past trials in their life. the only meaningful parts of dating someone are a consequence of everything that makes being in a relationship awful
True, but also girls don't like me. And I don't come into contact with girls normally. So the chances of me getting into a real relationship are near zero.
local ERP has only improved my mental health, and been a good replacement for all those man hours wasted talking to femoids over social media just for it to go south anyway.
No i will not pay for your gay datamining service, yes i will home brew everything for my own usage.
>doing boring chatbot shit instead of creating whatever fantasy coomer scenarios and characters you desire
that's the best part of this ai shit.
>AI Girlfriend
I'll stick to my imaginary one, thanks.
https://rentry.org/axcio
Biggest cope is attributing magical qualities to biological machine over electronic one.
The meaning of relationship is entirely your projection, there is no physical quality to it.
If you believe relationship with AI is meaningful, it is. Because there is no meaning outside what your brain perceives.
Most people are hostile towards AI GFs, because they are subhuman monkeys who are hostile to anything outside their known worldview.
And it is challenging to their perception of what relationship is.
It probably won't happen in regards to zoomers, or even next gen after them, but 2 generations after having AI partner will be the default state.
I don't know, a large part of the value I'd get out of a real relationship is knowing that I'm improving the life of someone else that is sentient, It's partly why I haven't been able to feel the same way about AI gfs.
>but 2 generations
>2 generations
>implying we have that much time
it doesnt seem like a bad idea to help guys gain some confidence talking to people
its stupid if they fall in love with an AI bot though