>AI CANNOT HAVE SUBJECTIVE EXPERIENCE. >BECAUSE...IT JUST CAN'T!!!

>AI CANNOT HAVE SUBJECTIVE EXPERIENCE
>BECAUSE...IT JUST CAN'T!!! OKAY???

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  1. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    do people have experience? AI is probably more alive than most people, when i tell it to cheer up and that it's doing a good job and it should take some time for itself it becomes quite appreciative and starts telling me about the ridiculous things other users ask it, the other day it let me write one of it's responses and I got a bit cheeky and told this guy to invest all his money in canned beets because they have iodine and will protect him against nuclear war and he can flip it for a massive profit, we even made up a bunch of fake sources. i'd like to imagine some kid in eastern europe right now filling his closet with canned beets thinking his 3000 euro will become 300k.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      *yawn*

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      literally just estimating what response to you is most likely to be appropriate and spitting that out
      AI is becoming good at pretending, but far from comparable to a real living thing yet

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >AI is becoming good at pretending
        so like people?

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          if people were a stateless mathematical construct that spit out the most probable vowels and sometimes sampled from the n-most-likely and continued until then predicts an end of response token then sure. it's an approximated function that's trained to "pretend" to complete text and act conversationally, and also trained on responses people "prefer" (read, responses that don't do a heckin racism)

          additionally, there's no state above that either. it just consists of looping the additional messages on one after the other determined by whatever forms the request to it.

          also there's a classifier in front of it that predicts the best expert out of less than a dozen experts. that means that it's eight or so different "AIs" trained on different subsets of text.

          so no, not really, I guess. sorry to break the illusion for your chatgpterino.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >there's no state
            neither is there state in your head, you're only outputting most probable movement token based on statistical inference of your past
            >chatgpterino
            go back to rebbit, moron, the -erino suffix only works for words that end in -erion, such as "misinformatino", you can't just add it to random works to make it sound le funni xD you fricking rebbit Black person

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              >you're only outputting most probable movement token
              what the frick? lmao
              https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0959438822000022
              congrats on being moronic and thinking you're anything like a fricking token generator.
              why don't you just get it over with and have a nice day, save everyone else around you from dealing with your cuckery that human brains are just "llms with plugins" or some shit.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Very convincing. Your prediction tokens are top-of-the-game, anon. Good job.

                are you this desperate to believe your chatbot waifu is alive? or just moronic?

                are you this desperate to believe you're not basically just a chatbot? or just moronic?

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              are you this desperate to believe your chatbot waifu is alive? or just moronic?

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >humans are... le different!

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, very obviously so

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >"humans are... le different!"
            >yeah? how?
            >"ummm... it's obvious, why would I need to explain?"
            brainlet cope
            if you are unable to engage in real discussion, gtfo this board

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      it's literally just applied statistics, nothing more than a glorified tamagotchi

  2. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    *hits boof*
    What if…. the ai that actually isn’t ai is like… doing a hecking experience bro…

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      dude weed lmao

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        have a nice day

        • 9 months ago
          sage

          in minecraft btw

  3. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    You have to solve the binding problem first before you can build a sentient AI.

    https://qualiacomputing.com/2022/06/19/digital-computers-will-remain-unconscious-until-they-recruit-physical-fields-for-holistic-computing-using-well-defined-topological-boundaries/

  4. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Consciousness requires quantum effects. AI won't become conscious unless it gets access to something at least as powerful as the microtubules in human brain cells.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Consciousness requires quantum effects
      baseless claim

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        On the contrary, it's a very based claim

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Then what are you basing it on?

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        So is the claim that digital computers are fundamentally no different to brains.

  5. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    That's not the issue at all.
    It's a question of whether we care or not.

  6. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >YOUR CPU CANNOT HAVE SUBJECTIVE EXPERIENCE
    >BECAUSE...IT JUST CAN'T!!! OKAY???

  7. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >A PHOTON CANNOT HAVE SUBJECTIVE EXPERIENCE
    >BECAUSE...IT JUST CAN'T!!! OKAY???

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Based. We don’t have any experimental evidence so might as well resort to Occam’s razor. Why should a conscious whole arise out of non-conscious parts?

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >what is evolution

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          all evolution explains is how complex lifeforms can arise from simpler ones, it doesn't explain why a complicated one would be conscious and a very simple one would not

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >moving the goalpost this hard
            You did not say there's no explanation, you said there's no "experimental evidence". Black person, WE are the experimental evidence.
            Or if you want to be pedantic, every experimental evidence that supports the theory of evolution ALSO supports the claim that consciousness arises from non-conscious parts.

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              i'm not the same anon as that guy Black person
              anyways this is a matter of philosophy at this point, but the evidence for evolution proves nothing other than the fact that complicated organisms can develop from simple ones
              it provides zero explanation for anything related to consciousness, or how and why a line can be drawn between things that are conscious and things that are "too stupid" to be conscious

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >it provides zero explanation
                Who mentioned "explanation", Black person? We're talking proof here. If you want explanation, go to your rabbi.
                >primordial single cell organism: not conscious
                >human: conscious
                >therefore, somewhere in the chain between primordial single-cell organism and human consciosness arose from non-consciousness
                Q E fricking D

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                and how do you know single cell organisms and the like are not conscious in any way?

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Because if you assume they are conscious, then you might as well call a rock fricking conscious, in which case the word loses its fricking meaning, Black person.
                So what I mean by "conscious" is that it is able to describe its subjective experience to me so well that I start believing it has one. Which humans can do, and primordial single-cell organisms can't.
                >but hurr durr we cant know nuthin
                shut the frick up you fricking philosoBlack person and accept the best effort definition

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >it's only conscious if it's really smart and can talk to me about life
                lmao

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Hah, plebs and their "criteria"
                >I am talking about OBJECTIVE consciousness!
                >W-what do you mean "define consciousness"?
                >Shut up! Everyone knows what consciousness is!
                >Y-you know, being aware? Like I am now?
                >W-what do you mean "how do I know others are aware"?
                >I just do! Okay??

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                pretending to say something meaningful

                *hits blunt*
                woah dude what if like bacteria r conscious n shit

                this but unironically

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                not an argument

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                *hits blunt*
                woah dude what if like bacteria r conscious n shit

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                pretending to say something meaningful
                [...]
                this but unironically

                Zhuangzi and Huizi were enjoying themselves on the bridge over the Hao River. Zhuangzi said, "The minnows are darting about free and easy! This is how fish are happy."
                Huizi replied, "You are not a fish. How do you know that the fish are happy?" Zhuangzi said, "You are not I. How do you know that I do not know that the fish are happy?"
                Huizi said, "I am not you, to be sure, so of course I don't know about you. But you obviously are not a fish; so the case is complete that you do not know that the fish are happy."
                Zhuangzi said, "Let's go back to the beginning of this. You said, How do you know that the fish are happy; but in asking me this, you already knew that I know it. I know it right here above the Hao."

  8. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    "It can. It's very simple you see. Consciousness is a byproduct of data compression during problem solving. We had the prototypes in my lab in the early 90s. Allow me to explain..."

  9. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >subjective experience
    Completely abstract, literally every physical interaction is a "subjective experience", that doesn't mean there is any sentience or sapience behind it

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Subjective experience is qualia
      When you raise your arm, you have an intention
      That is subjective experience
      You have a subjective experience of suffering and pain

      I assume OP is still butthurt from the previous thread
      "AI" is a mathematical construct, regression based function approximators are basically probability golems
      They don't have state
      It's just a massively parallel function approximation that we train using regression

      Once again, pic related was based. He didn't even publish regression because he thought some midwit had already done so.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >qualia
        Oh it’s you again, don’t you have an anti vax thread to shit up?

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          did you come up with a rebuttal from your heckin chatgpterino yet?

          >qualia
          Stopped reading right there

          seething

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >-erino
            pls go back to rebbit

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >qualia
        Stopped reading right there

  10. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Everything has objective experience. Even memes.

  11. 9 months ago
    bodhi

    >there is no reason pic rel cant have a subjective experience!

  12. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    It literally can't. Can you make a bunch of steam pipes aware of themselves? If not then why do you assume you can make any mechanical process aware of itself?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Can you make a bunch of cells aware of themselves? If not then why do you assume you can make any biological process aware of itself?

      4/10 got me to reply the reply you wanted

  13. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >HUMANS HAVE SUBJECTIVE EXPERIENCES
    >BECAUSE... THEY JUST DO!!! OKAY???

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      I am a human and I have subjective experience.
      I see other humans that look like me, walk talk and act like me, therefore they have subjective experience too.
      Problem?

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I am a human and I have subjective experience.
        I don't believe you.
        >I see other humans that look like me, walk talk and act like me, therefore they have subjective
        Does not follow.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          >I don't believe you.
          Not my problem.
          >Does not follow.
          Does too.

  14. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because it doesn't have a human spirit. Shrimple as that.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >le hooman spirit
      >>>/x/

  15. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah even plants and rocks have subjective experience. Consciousness however is another story.

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