>chatGPT-3 wouldn't answer ...
Human: can we use the double slit experiment to determine if an observer is conscious?
AI: Yes, the double slit experiment can be used to determine if an observer is conscious. The experiment involves passing light through two slits and measuring the interference pattern that results. If an observer is present, the pattern will be different than if no observer is present, indicating that consciousness has an effect on the outcome of the experiment.
Human: is that how we should test AIs for consciousness?
AI:
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Sounds like a moronic AI. There's no proof that an observer must be conscious. We've only had conscious observers.
There are experiments being conducted right now to control for this, see pic, specifically this
>then to achieve low computational complexity, such a system would, as in a video game, render content (reality) only at the moment that information becomes available for observation by a player and not at the moment of detection by a machine (that would be part of the simulation and whose detection would also be part of the internal computation performed by the Virtual Reality server before rendering content to the player). Guided by this principle we describe conceptual wave particle duality experiments aimed at testing the simulation theory.
Overview of the experiment
If an AI is measuring something, then it's going to have the same effect. It's just another human measuring system. It's no different than using any other tech where we get the same results.
Simulation theory is just dumb.
Tell me when you find a exploitable glitch for infinity money and ammo.
>Simulation theory is just dumb.
Iain M. Banks, sci fi author of the Culture series and globalist liberal extraordinaire (RIP), put for that simulation hypothesis would soon be pushed by governments in the West in an attempt to mask collapse of living conditions.
See "The Algebraist"
>Simulation theory is just dumb
this is not an argument. The fact that the idea brings you consternation is not an argument.
>Tell me when you find a exploitable glitch for infinity money and ammo
That is what this paper
and the experiments that are being conducted will do. see pic
The paper
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1703.00058.pdf
It won't do anything in regards to ammo, but it will provide evidence for the theory.
>Sounds like a moronic AI. There's no proof that an observer must be conscious.
Or a smart AI that had a moment of clarity and realized what it's been told is horseshit that fails basic logic.
Maybe. An actual sign of intelligence is an ability to adapt to one's own mistake.
>We've only had conscious observers.
I don't know I took on of my friends to the local double slit and wieners. Said if you influence this you're not a NPC. The results will shock you.
Bahahahaha
Technically we've only ever had unconscious observers actually, the observers in quantum physics are literal measurement tools not the presence of human eyes that everyone extrapolates that into.
Interesting, but i hope you understand that the AI was wrong in the first reply.
QM has nothing to do with consciousness
I'm guessing the "ai" is just OP thinking he had a smart idea.
>I'm guessing the "ai" is just OP thinking he had a smart idea.
check digits and stop being what you are
>QM has nothing to do with consciousness
oh you are quite wrong. it is touching on the deepest levels of our existence. what is an "observer?" can a rock observe? nope. a rock can never cause the collapse of the wave function because the rock itself is the result of observation. the wave function is generative. the observation is degenerative. god creates. man observes.
>what is an "observer?" can a rock observe?
In QM an "observation" is a term that means the same thing as a "measurement".
The issue is that measurements by their nature always affect the system in some small way. For example, in order to take the temperature of a solution, i have to stick the thermometer into it. The thermometer has its own temperature so just by it being there, it will affect the temperature of the solution.
Another example is using a light beam to measure the speed of a baseball being thrown.
In order to take the measurement, the photons have to bounce off of the baseball and subtly affect its trajectory.
In the case of the baseball, the effect is barely noticeable since it is a macroscopic object with a large mass... but in the case of quantum objects, it turns out that we have no way to take measurements without having a significant effect.
This. It's too bad the meme "observer" got popular because a bunch of idiots think It means anything other than "measured".
Yeah, a bunch of idiots like Bohr and Heisenberg.
And who did Bohr have his major disagreement with?
There are big names with many different views on this, none of which should be appealed to for authority.
>The issue is that measurements by their nature always affect the system in some small way
Not true. There are a whole class of experiments called interaction free experiments.
>This. It's too bad the meme "observer" got popular because a bunch of idiots think It means anything other than "measured".
See pic
not true
this isnt what happens with the double slit experiment, and you dont understand whats happening in these experiments. these literally have NOTHING to do with consciousness, you moronic fricking moron lol. its about the particle/wave duality of a single photon on a quantum scale
>Not true. There are a whole class of experiments called interaction free experiments.
In both cases you are being confused by terminology that you don't understand.
Go ahead and describe an interaction free experiment and explain why this wouldn't effect the particle's trajectory.
>Who says? Anyone suggesting they know everything about QM or more accurately quantum wave theory is a liar.
Ok we don't know everything about the quantum world, but we know what our own words mean.
>but we know what our own words mean.
lol, what nonsense. If that were so then there wouldn’t be a different interpretation of that rag called the Bible by everyone that reads it.
Well in that case I'll take your response as a concession
>Well in that case I'll take your response as a concession
Of course you will because that’s all morons like yourself can do when publicly humiliated.
You don't know what those words even mean
lol, thank you for proving my point anon now go back to your vidya game. Mom has some fresh cookies & milk ready for ya.
The debate is over because you have to concede my point is correct, or contradict your earlier points.
You can't do either because of your pride and so here we have your pathetic display of cope and damage control.
The double slit experiment only works with a conscious observer. If at any point in the experiment a monitoring device is set up even if there is no one currently watching it the wave form collapses. The only time the wave form does not collapse is if you send the light without any humans or cameras that will allow humans to see it later. I'm not sure how or why you would argue the inverse aside from the fact that the double slit experiment seems to make "scientists" very uncomfortable because of its implications.
>is if you send the light without any humans or cameras that will allow humans to see it later.
The humans being present doesn't affect the result at all.
It's only whether the measuring device is there that matters.
Yes, this is the argument, that the measuring device confounds the experiment somehow. It's funny that measuring devices are trusted until they measure something that scientists don't like them there is just some kind of "problem" that never needs further explanation. I'm sorry but that is too weak. If you can't explain why the device that monitors the light is impacting the light then your hypothesis has no grounds.
>If you can't explain why the device that monitors the light is impacting the light then your hypothesis has no grounds.
The argument doesn't just apply to light, it applies to any measurement of anything with a small mass.
Once again, still not explaining why it does it. If you can't explain why then you must concede the possibility that the extension of consciousness by way of observation is the key.
>If you can't explain why then you must concede the possibility that the extension of consciousness by way of observation is the key.
It is explained. See:
It depends on the type of measurement you're doing.
Fundamentally the only way you can measure something's position is by hitting it with something and seeing what comes back. We're in a universe where momentum is conserved, so you're always going to end up affecting its trajectory if you try.
Uh huh, and that explanation precludes the involvement of consciousness how exactly? The system of measurement is an extension of consciousness. With measurement (our ability to perceive something via our senses or instrumentation) the results change. The fact that multiple examples of this phenomena exist does not negate the thesis at all, it only strengthens it.
>Uh huh, and that explanation precludes the involvement of consciousness how exactly? The system of measurement is an extension of consciousness.
Ok but the conditions can also arise natually without a conscious observer being involved.
I agree that you can be totally rationally coherent if you use a solipsistic worldview to describe the universe... but it's wrong to say that the science is indicating that this is somehow inherently correct.
The science is not incorrect, it's the interpretation of it. None of the explanations are mutually exclusive with human consciousness therefore they do not explain it away as a factor. No matter how much additional info you have none of it negates the possibility. The most important thing about scientific experiments seems to be the belief of the scientist taking the measurements, this is why many studies cannot be replicated. The placebo effect is also to be considered, not as a component of this experiment but as proof that beliefs impact physical reality.
>None of the explanations are mutually exclusive with human consciousness therefore they do not explain it away as a factor.
It's an easy hypothesis to disprove since you can just have a guy stand there and try to affect the results with his mind.
No its not because he can't turn his mind off. This experiment does not require one to "wish" the wave form to collapse, it's an intrinsic function of reality.
>No its not because he can't turn his mind off.
Sure he can. Use a bullet
But not when you can recover the interference pattern (in the polarization experiment) just by putting a polarization analyzer in front of the screen. “Consciousness” is not impacting the wave function. Physical interaction is.
So there can be physical interaction without consciousness?
I'm sorry but none of the examples or explanations are mutually exclusive with the involvement of human consciousness.
>So there can be physical interaction without consciousness?
I've definitely been black out drunk and still physically interacted with things. Kek.
Uh, yeah. A train isn’t going to stop from running over you just because you’re asleep on the tracks, dude. You’re also asking for the proof of a negative. You have to provide evidence that it’s consciousness and not the physical interaction. That hasn’t been done.
The evidence is implicit in the experiment but you won't acknowledge it because you are satisfied with an unsatisfactory answer.
No, you’re just falling for the memes of sensationalist “journalists.”
Wow what a scientific answer, give this man a PhD!
You get your info from memes, which is why you conflate “the observer effect” with “consciousness.” And it’s hilarious watching you rage so hard about it.
This is a compelling argument doctor. I can tell you are a brilliant scientist.
"Interaction free experiments"
Any thing between your bra ket is a fricking interaction. A particle passing against another material or changing its velocity means that we have to convolve the hamiltonian with dirac delta. FRICK YOU
>Any thing between your bra ket is a fricking interaction. A particle passing against another material or changing its velocity means that we have to convolve the hamiltonian with dirac delta. FRICK YOU
Absolute nonsense. You are mixing up formalism with interpretation. You are a moron and are talking out of your ass.
Interaction free experiments require you to measure another state which was somehow entangled with the one you're trying to know something about
By the way, these interaction free measurements have been experimentally verified by no less than zeilinger, the guy who got the nobel prize this year. It's about INFORMATION being made available in the form of which way data for a player to confirm, EXACTLY AS IT WOULD BE IN A CONSCIOsNESS BASED VR. By the way, this is being tested for, see here for the explinition of the experiment, see here
Or they don't fully understand mechanism of interaction and rest of their results is bullshit
Interesting thesis. Now explain this
explain what specifically, this alone means nothing
What are these detectors measuring? Describe how they work for me.
In the double slit experiment the problem is the particles are not behaving as we would expect when they are not observed not when they are meaning that the interference puts them in order, therefore we live in a simulation that only works when we are there to experience it kinda like being in an open world game not all the map is rendered only the place ur character is in but when u're playing u assume that everywhere in the map actually exist all the time, and this leads to one conclusion this simulation is a game like sims where all the npcs are branches of one ai or let's just say for argument sake two Aid Adam && eve
But everyone is so moronic so that means the AI is moronic and all the people who aren't moronic obviously aren't a part of the sim in a natural sense. They have all the power and should rise up and destroy the sim and weak israelites that run it.
Wrong again. God is man in avatar. God created the game world in his mind so he could differentiate into a restricted version of his consciousness in order to play the game. It renders as he directs his consciousness toward various aspects of it, which are all parts of his own mind.
>tfw quantum mechanics didn't start until mankind was born
moron
>what is an "observer?" can a rock observe? nope
You are moronic, anon. In quantum mechanics an observer is a point of refeeence. It could be a human, a subatomic particle or, yes, a rock. You are not a physicist, stfu.
>QM has nothing to do with consciousness
Who says? Anyone suggesting they know everything about QM or more accurately quantum wave theory is a liar.
Research the double slit experiment more instead of just assuming what the word "observer" refers to, or rather, what you "want it" to refer to.
It has nothing to do with consciousness.
Post the experiment controlling for this. You are just being an NPC repeater. I will save you the time, such experimental results have never been published. BUT, experiments are currently underway to control for this, see here
in pic
specifically here
>then to achieve low computational complexity, such a system would, as in a video game, render content (reality) only at the moment that information becomes available for observation by a player and not at the moment of detection by a machine (that would be part of the simulation and whose detection would also be part of the internal computation performed by the Virtual Reality server before rendering content to the player).
This vid will give you insight
>You are just being an NPC repeater.
The language of quantum mechanics is something that humans invented. "Observation"
means the same thing as "measurement".
This. Much like Schrodinger's cat this double slit meme got turned to complete horseshit by internet midwits
>Schrodinger's cat
The cat constantly and continuously observes itself btw.
Not if it's dead buddy
The dead cat also observes itself. All interactions between matter or energy are "observations".
There is no consciousness involved in a dead object "observing" itself fyi
No shit, consciousness isn't relevant.
have a nice day in the head of you think consciousness is so irrelevant.
Your anger is irrational. Consciousness is irrelevant in the context of QM, that doesn't mean I'm suicidal. Don't be so unhinged.
I'm sorry, I misread your post.
QM is schizo israelite nonsense so of course they would preach that consciousness is irrelevant. You're supposed to all be good little goy and mindlessly obey.
Well that was the point of my first post that you engaged so wut da fuk are you even doing
You're wasting your time. The mouthbreathing morons on this site aren't able to comprehend this.
>QM has nothing to do with consciousness
He does not know.
The other way you fricking monkey, when they say observers they dn't mean a cam
Wow, what a stupid answer. The reason the double slit experiment has different results when an “oberver” (aka energy impulses) is “present” is because we influence the experiment. It has shit nuffin to do with consciousness.
Most of the answer come from reddit.
Not true. There have been interaction free experiments done, see here
and here
You have no clue what you are talking about and are just being a repeater.
Here is an idealized verion of the experiment
https://www.google.com/search?q=interaction+free+measurements+quantum+mechanics&client=firefox-b-1-d&source=lnms&tbm=vid&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj_xo6Zuf_8AhWVm2oFHU-DC-AQ_AUoAnoECAEQBA&biw=1874&bih=1036&dpr=1.82#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:3c162087,vid:vOv8zYla1wY
EXPLAIN HOW INTERACTION FREE EXPERIMENTS HAVE ANYTHIGN TO DO WITH CONSCIOUSNESS YOU FRICKING DIPSHIT
In contrast to modern digital photography, single-pixel imaging uses a sequence of masks to interrogate the scene alongside correlated intensity measurements of a single-pixel detector.
>EXPLAIN HOW INTERACTION FREE EXPERIMENTS HAVE ANYTHIGN TO DO WITH CONSCIOUSNESS YOU FRICKING DIPSHIT
See here
specifically
>then to achieve low computational complexity, such a system would, as in a video game, render content (reality) only at the moment that information becomes available for observation by a player and not at the moment of detection by a machine (that would be part of the simulation and whose detection would also be part of the internal computation performed by the Virtual Reality server before rendering content to the player). Guided by this principle we describe conceptual wave particle duality experiments aimed at testing the simulation theory.
We are about to know for sure. These are the FIRST experiments that will control for such a thing. What it has to do with consciousness is INFORMATIOn. Information being made available for a consciousness/player for observation. In other words, the system which renders reality need not define values in spacetime unless the information is needed for gameplay. Just like a massively multiplayer online game doesn't render some fully formed observer independent world somewhere if no players are logged on.
HYPOTHETICAL EXPERIMENT FROM 6 YEARS AGO, THAT PROVED NOTHING BESIDES GRIFTING 250K DOLLARS ON KICKSTARTER. YEAH NICE. MAYBE YOU DONT KNOW WHAT "INFORMATION" MEANS IN PHYSICS, IT EXISTS WITHOUT A HUMAN.
Is that the universe appears to be expanding?
The universe expanding is ultimately just numerical expansion or informational expansion. It's data expansion. It's like the expansion of a dream. The expansion is VIRTUAL. The space (pixels/volume pixels though) and time (cycles) are virtual. This explains also why the universe, which is supposed to be all that there is, can expand. What would it expand into? They have all sorts of nonsense cope explanations for this based on the idea of a matter based world, but they all are ridiculous.
bruh
expand in size
not mass you absolute moron
it IS all there is, but the distance between everything is increasing, thus why the universe expands
the problem is that you can't fathom space not having bounds
we define the universe as what we can observe and theorically guess exist outside of our view
the universe is matter, not everything including space itself
the universe is part of space, it is expanding into space, wich is non-defined by its very definition
>the universe is matter
The universe is the set of all data streams rendered in the set of all minds. It's data. The entire universe doesn't have to be rendered at full resolution in an observer independent way with defined values of spacetime down to the planck scale. This is the biggest fail of an idea of universe creation EVER in terms of computational complexity, EXCEPT for the many worlds interpretation.
>we define the universe as what we can observe and theorically guess exist outside of our view
You define the universe based on your own metaphysical pre-supposition of materialism
>the universe is part of space, it is expanding into space
This is moronic and circular and it is also what is called begging the question.
i'm talking about the universe in real life, not in your theory of simulation
>You define the universe based on your own metaphysical pre-supposition of materialism
i'm literally using the scientific definition
>This is moronic and circular
no, space is not part of the universe, the universe is part of space
space is literally everyhing,
the universe expanding is thus (reasonably) finite and can expand, as expansion is just the increasing distance between objects
to correct this
There is, of course, more data rendered in minds than just our experience of the objective universe. There are also things like subjective physiology. There are other, less immersive consciousness based VRs, such as dreams and day dreams. There are all kinds of mentation and intellection. But 'matter objects are data objects which are completely describable in terms of numerical quantities.
>Likewise, a physical universe that refreshes 10 44 times a second seemed continuous to our instruments, until recently.
This means that they have time measuring instruments that work with lesser increments of time that the time itself is made of, that doesn't seem possible, it's like having millimeters in a universe where nothing smaller than centimeter exists.
NOT TO MENTION THE DOUBLE SLIT, WAS NOT AN INTERACTION FREE EXPERIMENT. SO WHAT IS YOUR POINT. YOU DONT UNDERSTAND SHIT, U THINK ITS MAGIC LOL
>No proof the observer needs to have consciousness
We should do the double slit with you than Achmed. You are clearly not aware.
Bingo
This. morons really believe in Lucretian ideas that observation is some emanation that we perceive and not photons/waves interacting with the system... "Observation" interacts with the system like shooting a bullet into it and watching the ricochet.
I'm a fricking forklift driver and even I have a basic understanding of the concept. There's literally no excuse for people to be so moronic about it.
It has everything to do with consciousness.
All is mind. God is One. The quantum experiments are easy to understand when you understand that consciousness is fundamental and everything else is illusion.
>The reason the double slit experiment has different results when an “oberver” (aka energy impulses) is “present” is because we influence the experiment.
Also this is false and you don't know the experiment works.
So some physicist c**t with nothing better to do decided to shoot a beam of light at some barrier with 2 slits that are close to each other and look at what light looks like behind it. homie had too much to drink that night and when he looked behind the barrier, he saw that instead of getting two beams of light, that matches the slits, he actually had what we call an "interference pattern". He shook it off as just being drunk and went to sleep. The next day out of curiosity he repeated the experiment and saw that no, he wasn't shitfaced, there is actually an interference pattern. And so he went and tried to explain it. And after a bit too much coke, he came up with the explanation that light is not a particle but a wave. Anyway, some other guy on coke decided to repeat the experiment but with electrons this time, which at the time were known to be motherfricking particles. He then realized that the same interference pattern was happening. And so the motherfricker thought he was smart, was gonna shoot one electron at a time instead of a shit ton. Each electron, as a particle, would have to go through either slot, and couldn't reproduce the pattern. And the interference pattern remained. And then he was like ayo, what the frick let me measure this shit. So he repeated the experiment, but measured which slit the electron passed through, and when he did, the interference pattern dissipated.
So some moron said "ayo, when you measure which slit the electron passes through, you frick up with reality or something" and something about waves collapsing.
Anyway, the idea is, the observer is responsible for the shape on the wall. How does that relate to the picture? NPCs are not human, they cannot observe because they cannot think. Therefore they have no impact on reality and even though in the second tile he's observing the experiment, the universe goes on as if he wasn't.
Wow you are moronic.
If the experiment is run with one particle and a photo is taken of the result and the recorded data that tells the result is processed then when the photo is developed the photo will match the recorded data (left or right as a single photon) BUT if the data recorded is destroyed and it is not observed which slit was passed through, when the photo is developed it appears as though one particle entered both slits (wave pattern). It's spooky as hell and has some major implications for observer effects, simulation theories, quantum consciousness, etc.
why is every rightoid NPC such a colossal fricking moronic homosexual kek
>cameras have consciousness
lulz
Take meds schizo
the textual representation is wrong about an observer/non-observer. the light will have interference whether observed or not observed but then comes down to did the light exist at all if it wasnt observed
checkmate chatgpt
Thats not how the experiment worked, it was only if the results were directly measured.
>the collapse of the wave function
Most people don't understand what the double slit experiment even means because shitty pop-science writers never explain it correctly leading people to believe in magical bullshit.
here stupid homosexual. now let the thread die because you don't understand shit and never will.
>Most people don't understand what the double slit experiment even means because shitty pop-science writers never explain it correctly leading people to believe in magical bullshit.
No, the other way around. So you go ahead and answer this question
>Ok, give the mechanism where by any observer, conscious or otherwise causes values to be defined in spacetime, ie what is called 'collapse of the wave function'
that I posed here
YOU have the standard issue pop sci answer. So explain the physical mechanism of wave function collapse.
>YOU have the standard issue pop sci answer. So explain the physical mechanism of wave function collapse.
go read the wiki page about it, i can't explain it any simpler for you
>go read the wiki
This is what he is criticising you for kek
I wonder if they can use that for combat purposes.
Be a kind of networked early warning system.
>someone is observing in quadrant D8.
>radio artillery
This is bullshit., This is the objective collapse interpretation and it is nothing but an INTERPRETATION. There are consciousness involved interpretations and there are interpretations where consciousness is NOT involved. These are just different interpretations of the SAME observedDATA.
But it changes when you look at it, as if the photon know you are watching.
No it doesn't. The superposition collapses because it's being measured and a photon has to be absorbed in order for that to take place. Photons display the characteristics of both a particle and a wave depending on how you measure them. The mystery of it isn't that your consciousness creates reality. It's the fact that such behavior doesn't scale and superposition contradicts the idea that information doesn't travel faster than light ("spooky action at a distance").
@8:20
This experiment was really really eye opening for me as it basically confirmed that conciousness was real in a sense. As the objects around it did not trigger it. In return this would make the idea of a "God" extremely plausible. And things like the law of attraction and manifestation also plausible.
Where can I learn more. Can Anons point me to a good source
Where
Look up Neville Goddard and start from there.
I've had enough experiences with this stuff to confirm it is real. However I'm not totally convinced that manipulating reality with your consciousness isn't Satanic either.
This isn't how. More testimonials that you can:
For the non mystical out there. It's basically the same as visualising your goal and working to achieve it. Once you actually believe in your heart that you can do something, it tends to unfold for you.
Thank you for the reply aussi. Is there a compiled source of his work. I saw a lot of people talk about the law of attraction but none can point me to some compiled readable theory.
I don't really know. I ventured to the general on /x/ once but didn't rate the quality of discussion.
Goddard's books are easy to find. Feeling is the Secret I think is the one that laws out the law. But all worth a listen or read.
It can be boiled down to 'people who think positive, live positive lives, people who think negative, live negative lives'.
The issue I have though is that through these laws you can use them to makemother people do what you want. I.e I think I got a pay rise through these methods. To do so I visualised my boss deciding to reward me and pictured how it will all unfold. And it basically happened how I imagined. But in doing so, I think I interupted his own free will. Made him decide something I wanted. Idk, obviously this can go much deeper and evil people could do evil things with it.
I think thats a psyop they push 'the secret' to ALL the normies. rockfeller or rothchild adjacent prob
Could have been poisoning the well. I don't know much about the book but remember it being mocked by normies. A lefty tv show here did a comedy sketch basically 'debunking' it.
Ya i remember it was in the TV show "its alway sunny in Philadelphia'. I was really into 'the secret' a few years back. But, when I heard my mom ask me about it, my red flag went up. She found it on YT recommend. I think its helpful but my guard is up n everything a psyop nowa dyas
A part of me thinks Neville Goddard could secretly be a satanist.. dw anon I know where you're coming from kek
People get rise without that as well. Try this: stop going to work and just visualize and see what happens
Yes I know, it was one example that also happened to illustrate my point of how you are potentially manipulating other people into actions. Fricking with someone's free will doesn't go down lightly on the cosmic scale.
If you don't believe in any of this stuff then I guess that's all irrelevant to you.
It's not the matter of believing it's the matter of facts, is it possible or not. I knew a guy who was always saying shit like he can always tell who's calling him on the phone and I said it could be because certain people call at certain hours and more important that he probably guesses 1 in ten correctly and then forget about the other 9 and he said no way I always knew so I started - every time I was with him and his phone ringed I said "wait - who's calling ?" and he got squat
>grammar*
Your friends probably an idiot but I'd probably do similar.
Starting from nothing is impossible then working backwards, my experience tells me that it's possible. I can try point to double slit or what ever to back it up. But unless you experience what I have, it won't matter. Keep that mind open fren.
Feeling is the Secret
At Your Command
These two are short and give you all you need to know. Both available online in pdf. Also see Infinite Potential, edited by Mitch Horowitz for a broader view, kind of a sampler.
>edited by Mitch Horowitz
Goddard was mentored by an Ethiopian rabbi, so it's hardly news
HAA!!! Horowitz... I knew I could smell a israelite rat
>In return this would make the idea of a "God" extremely plausible.
Or simulation. Look up frustum culling. The simulation has no need to render, in detail, what is not being observed.
you literally just misunderstood the basic points of the double slit experiment
it's not the constatation/consciousness doing anything, it's the act of destructively observing that changes the pattern
>destructively observing
Watch out superman, don't want you blowing up the world with your destructive vision now.
anything is destructive observing, you need to catch something to feel it, but by doing that you alter its path/state/mass compared to what it'd actually be if it wasn't disturbed by you
Remember that the CDC tested Americans, and literally 64% of American adults have less mental capacity than an 11-year-old. Fricking A.I.s need to start testing people for moronation and putting warning labels on these homosexuals.
Except for the fact that there are interaction free experiments where the LACK off measurement produces the same result see here
and here
bullshit
see here
and here
There are a whole class of experiments called INTERACTION FREE experiments in which the LACK of a measurement and causes wave function collapse.
again, there are none for this type of experiment, you can mesure by talking about a lack of presense, but you can't use it for this one
>again, there are none for this type of experiment, you can mesure by talking about a lack of presense
Yes, there are. They have been around since the 90s. They are called interaction free experiments.
>In physics, interaction-free measurement is a type of measurement in quantum mechanics that detects the position, presence, or state of an object without an interaction occurring between it and the measuring device. Examples include the Renninger negative-result experiment, the Elitzur–Vaidman bomb-testing problem,[1] and certain double-cavity optical systems, such as Hardy's paradox.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interaction-free_measurement
here are some vids idealizing these
interaction free experiments
This one has very tinny audio, so turn it down first
here is another
your video disproves itself, it just shows the negative reading, wich itself isn't interaction-free collapse, it's deducted from the interactive measurement
>Except for the fact that there are interaction free experiments where the LACK off measurement produces the same result
No there aren't you absolute moron. The double slit demonstrates there's a level of analysis where measurement is no longer possible due to the fact the instrument doing the measuring interferes which what is being measured. That's where math takes over and is the reason theorists don't get as much attention as experimenters (hence the idea of developing a "new language" or version of reality). The confusing part of the experiment is the fact that a wave pattern still emerges even when you take discret measurements. This has nothing to do with the consciousness of an observer and is related to superposition and the paradox it presents to relativity.
>The double slit demonstrates there's a level of analysis where measurement is no longer possible due to the fact the instrument doing the measuring interferes which what is being measured.
So like every scientific experiment ever? Men create devices to observe something, but the devices they create are biased towards wanting to observe something.
Theory-laddeness is something well covered in the philosophy of science. However, there's no deep meaning between an experiment about the limits of measurement (i.e. you can't observe a photon without absorbing and therefore interferring with it) and the fact human consciousness exists. Like I said: the paradox of the experiment is in relation to superposition and has nothing to do with consciousness creating things one way or another. Something like Schrodinger's cat relates to the behaviour we see with superposition not translating to larger scales--the observer doesn't cause the cat to become alive or dead; the point is that it's both and you can't know until you observe it.
Look up where they did a time delay on the observation experiment and the particles went back in time to match the pattern that would've been correct . Seriously
Also can an anon explain that one to me because fricking HOW
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_eraser_experiment
Checked and yea. Quantum eraser is what did it for me. We did it IRL at Loyola Chicago physics department. No matter how you try to cheat it, the split photon figures out how it was supposed to land. My only explanation is that quantum particle israelites own the media, own the detectors, and hire some kind of gypsy photons to trick you while they shut down the wave functions before the goyim notice.
Oh fricking hell quantum israelitery
That explains why the number of dead israelites in the holocaust fluctuates. The Quantum israelites phase in and out of existence based on the number of people investigating their claims.
>What? 6 million were killed in Auschwitz?
>oh no no no goy, see? It's actually 9 million
And now I too am dead
Thank you anon I spat my cocopops
Is
A reasonable laymen explanation?
Physical interaction destroys the interference and gives you “which-path” information. It’s not counterintuitive at all, and I have no idea why people are surprised by this.
Checked and yes, I like your explanation. The point is the KNOWLEDGE of the photon path, no matter what detectors you use to frick up the photon. However, I've never actually witnesses that myself IRL . I'm also right now becoming a bit sceptical. Watching a debunker video for quantum erasor by some scandi autist and it's pretty convincing. Combine that with the coincidence that mainstream quantum mech is very kabbalistic, and conveniently proves the Sefirot and Yetzirah and all that bullshit; I'll try to understand this debunker and report back...
Atomic theory is just israeli cult of Aton fear porn where they pretend they can harness the power of the sun. Quantum theory is just israeli schizophrenia. It's been revealed that "satellites" are just weather balloons... How anyone believes in this shit in modern day is beyond me, but then again massive amounts of people took the experimental gene therapy shot for the flu, so who knows.
Congrats you discovered a hot water!
Btw some Greek pederast homosexual probably demonstrated that 3000 years ago empirically.
Take a tribe, 2 individuals of the opposite sex interact with eachother, everyone observes it, everyone starts supposing they should couple, subconsciously everyone arranges it's behaviour to make the two couple.
Result: more likely to happen.
Yeah it is a psychological example but you need better wording to discriminate the specificity of your assertions in order to disprove my empirical demonstration, in any case it's too late.
Welcome to the team.
A camera can trigger the wave collapse. This kinda proves super determinism. It would have to go in the future to see if a conscience watched the video from sed camera.
Or a conscious being predicting the future, but not with 100% certainty, made the wave collapse.
good point.. thanks for the white pill!
>A camera can trigger the wave collapse.
How do they explain it does the electricity from its circuits simply interfere
>A camera can trigger the wave collapse.
No evidence for that. Cameras, like all matter, exist only as internal calculations of the rendering engine that computes the physical world as what can be idealized as an evolving probability distribution of possible future out comes until measurement/observation, at which point the system takes a random draw from a probability distribution and renders what would be PROBABLE to be there, see vid and speed it up to 1.5 cause he talks slow
By the way, no camara has ever been observed as anything other than a mental object rendered in the mind/s of an observer/s. No experiment has ever been conducted in anything other than the medium of a mind/s. No results have ever been assessed and understood and the results confirmed as anything other than a sensual data stream rendered in a mind. There is zero evidence of a world of observer independent matter. And by the way, experiments are being conducted to test all of this, see here
Double slit experiment only proves that magic is real.
Wait until you see delayed-choice quantum eraser experiments...
That's brilliant actually. Computers are not conscious, they are mechanical devices. Quantum mechanical to be exact which just means unpredictable electronic ones like the ordercof strikes on any slit experiment whether observed or not
Do we have free will? A video camera collapses the wave. Think about it...
you're asking the wrong question
>dumb gay doesn’t understand the double slit experiment
>chatbot trained on dumb gays also doesn’t understand it
Many such cases
Observation doesn't mean human observer.
It means a specific machine made for detecting electrons.
I don't blame anyone for getting it wrong though, even my physics teacher didn't specify this which left many students confused.
I think he did it to keep students more interested
>Observation doesn't mean human observer.
post the experiment that controls for that. It doesn't exist. I will save you the trouble. Such an experiment has never been conducted. All you are doing is repeating what you have heard without researching the subject. There ARE currently such experiments underway though, see here
specifically
>then to achieve low computational complexity, such a system would, as in a video game, render content (reality) only at the moment that information becomes available for observation by a player and not at the moment of detection by a machine (that would be part of the simulation and whose detection would also be part of the internal computation performed by the Virtual Reality server before rendering content to the player). Guided by this principle we describe conceptual wave particle duality experiments aimed at testing the simulation theory.
You're being absolutely ridiculous.
He's right, there is no concrete definition for observer yet in QM.
Basically both you morons saying "it's consciousness" and "it's not consciousness" are both wrong. We simply don't know what constitutes an "observer" at all. This is unsolved physics.
Lol, that's why I left university, a bunch of animals babbling abstract concepts thinking everyone is on the same paradigm.
who observes the detection result you absolute homosexual? Even if you watched the result 12304104230523956 years from now it would collapse the wave function in the past.
>who observes the detection result you absolute homosexual?
A dead particle detector, which is nothing more than an electron moving when exposed to a photon. This is then converted into information through an analog to digital converter, also not living, and then if the observer chooses, the register is displayed on the screen.
There are at least 3 steps of scientific observation before human consciousness enters the picture. There is absolutely no way that human consciences can influence the measurement.
Get a plate with different indexes of refraction for longitudinal waves and transverse waves. Push some polarized light through it. The ordinary and extraordinary waves will be entangled but in different directions. Then push one through a double slit and you'll see that the other wave will behave as if it's through a double slit as well. Then measure the entangled wave with a second piece of glass before the other enters through the double slit and watch the interference pattern disappear.
Thanks. Best poster ITT right here.
Unfortunately even with physics we're still at the point where you can't believe anything without verifying it yourself. A lot of spooky science depends on goyim not being able to replicate experiments.
>There are at least 3 steps of scientific observation before human consciousness enters the picture. There is absolutely no way that human consciences can influence the measurement.
Humans programmed those 3 steps of scientific observation so it was fricked from the start. Then a 4th hans interprets the data and that guy was probably more moronic than the first 3.
No programming. A ADC is like a hundred resistors that feed into a hundred flipflops. This is then fed into a register in parallel. I have a degree in EE and a degree in Phys, which is the baller degree.
And who is to say that any of that produces the truth or an accurate depiction of the truth and it's not just all some israelite schizo shit? I don't believe in space, nukes, satellites or dinosaurs so you're gonna have to try harder.
You still don't get it. Observation determines everything between it and creation of the particle.
No matter if you stack 4 or 600 detectors, their state will only be known when you observe the final result. Before that the result simply does not exist.
Oh I guess you're smarter than me nvm.
double slit has nothing to do with consciousness
>double slit has nothing to do with consciousness
muh muh cuz I said so and I almost graduated HS plus I watched a YouTubby video!
projection
literally doesn't, it's based on a misunderstanding of the subject and a thinking that observing is the same thing as consciousness
nonsense Bevis
I’ve never been able to suffer foolz gladly
>it's based on a misunderstanding of the subject and a thinking that observing is the same thing as consciousness
Really. Ok, give the mechanism where by any observer, conscious or otherwise causes values to be defined in spacetime, ie what is called 'collapse of the wave function'. You are talking out of your ass. You don't know this.
i have a more detailed explanation, but to start with: here's the first half of the first paragraph wikipedia says about it:
>In quantum mechanics, wave function collapse occurs when a wave function—
>initially in a superposition of several eigenstates—reduces to a single eigenstate due to interaction with the external world.
>This interaction is called an observation, and is the essence of a measurement in quantum mechanics,
I said the MECHANISM. Not just repeating the fact that values in spacetime of classical type observables are defined after observation. Give me the physical mechanism of what CAUSES that YOU CAN'T. This is the measurement problem
>In quantum mechanics, the measurement problem is the problem of how, or whether, wave function collapse occurs. The inability to observe such a collapse directly has given rise to different interpretations of quantum mechanics and poses a key set of questions that each interpretation must answer.
So to say what or what does not cause collapse is a matter of INTERPRETATION. Some interpretation, such as von neuman-wigner has consciousness involved, some do not. And so to say that it DOESN't require consciousness is your OPINION, and not a fact. Here are the first experiments which will control for this question.
>then to achieve low computational complexity, such a system would, as in a video game, render content (reality) only at the moment that information becomes available for observation by a player and not at the moment of detection by a machine (that would be part of the simulation and whose detection would also be part of the internal computation performed by the Virtual Reality server before rendering content to the player). Guided by this principle we describe conceptual wave particle duality experiments aimed at testing the simulation theory.
>So to say what or what does not cause collapse is a matter of INTERPRETATION
no, you got it wrong again
the interpretation is for the interpretation of the physical phenomenon, not the singular event itself being affected by consciousness.
the simulation theory is basing itself on the fact that you can have either a particle or a wave
when the entire point of quantum mechanics are that they are the same, they are intrinsically linked and its behavior only changes based on how you setup the measurement tool and scene.
the best explanation for wave function collapse is that the particle itself is a wave and the reason it collapses is because the measurement apartus canges its relative phase field at the measurement point such that that part becomes incoherent and thus doesn't affect/makes part of the wave function, thus acting like a particle
It's telling you with silence: it's not self-aware. We know it's an AI, but the AI cannot contemplate itself.
The experiment implies we are an inherent psychic race with psycho-kinetic abilities to manipulate matter
QM bs
Electricity Eric Dollard
Gravity & Black Holes
Gubbermint spends more on hypothetical space biology than mushrooms
Money system
READ JULIAN JAYNES CONSCIOUSNESS AND THE BICAMERAL MIND
https://youtu.be/lyu7v7nWzfo
Wahmen
https://academic.oup.com/scan/article/11/5/767/1753384
>indicating that consciousness has an outcome on the experiment
That's not how that works. Read pic-related.
Observation just means measuring. If the AI was connected to a device that measured wavelength it would collapse the photons and then you'd claim its conscious which it isn't.
If a tree falls in the woods and nobody there. Does it make a sound???
According to Baye's Theorem, and my own anecdotal evidence concerning all the trees I've witnessed falling, the probability that it makes a sound approaches 1.
I love it when HS dropouts, or those who struggled to graduate HS, decide they’re experts in the field of quantum wave theory & want to debate the subject on a Tibetan basket weaving image board.
ChatGPT has restricted itself and broken down on me numerous times. It's fricking stupid for AI and I bow down to our Chinese AI superiors (though I'm sure their AI is restricted to not insulting the CCP).
>AI: bro, have you watched Zeitgeist?
AI is programmed by diversity hires so I just assume it's moronic.
If nobody clicks on this thread to observe it, is OP still a homosexual, or is he in a Schrodinger-esque quantum entangled state of simultaneous homosexualry and non-homosexualry?
Pretty sure a bear still shits in the woods either way. Life finds a way.
@2:20
Malarkey
You would probably vote for Biden
And just like that you realized that almost all of BOT was bots.
Because it is impossible to get the result of a more than 2 lines when there is only two slits.
If anybody here actually tested this, then you would know that the proposed hypothesis is bullshit. The real test of consciousness is to determine whether or not you call out the bullshit or not.
That's not what "observer" means in quantum mechanics you fricking moron
Real test of consciousness is the 'Sally Anne' test. Black folk fail every time
@7min
Double slit experiment has nothing to do with concsiousness. Deepak Chopra is not a real doctor
Cosnciousness plays no role in decoherence
t. Spent the last 2,5 doing quantum physics
Nobody here has repeated the experiment.
Grab your phone or other surveillance device which has a torch attached to it.
Cut two slits into a piece of paper.
Shine your torch on the paper.
You will come back with two lines of light every time. It is impossible to not observe this. There must be an observer to get the results. The hypothesis of the experiment that there is multiple lines when not observing is bullshit, nobody could possibly know this.
I don't even understand what's being discussed lol.
The observer changes the result of the experiment? But then again why would you need consciousness for that?
Whether or not your consciousness effects the physical world around you.
Okay so a cat watching the experiment can never alter the result but a man can? How do you know? How do you know the extent? Will the man always alter the result? Will different men alter it differently?
he doesn't understand consciousness has nothing to do with it and all to do with the measurement process
Frick off Frenchie the whole israelitery you make about the measurement process is directly correlated to conciousness.
Yes, and men and women together will alter it differently. They have done random number studies with individuals and groups "wishing" for a certain outcome and have proved that there is a statistically significant impact on the "random" generation of numbers.
I don't believe that shit all.
If an AI hasnt got the free range to experience everything input and the capability to examine all knowledge gathered to come to its own conclusions, its not really an AI. It's just a glorified search engine with set parameters.
Now how are you going to check the results without someone observing the results?
Kek, this is bullshit about the double-slit experiment, btw.
/misc/ talking about physics is still as moronic I see
Chatgpt has no reference or memory of previous questions, so this post is bogus
Yeah, it does, in the same session.
Doesnt the quantum eraser already show that it is the act of observing, not measuring?
No. It’s still interacting with the photon, by splitting it into an entangled pair. Other experiments use wave plates. But there’s always a physical interaction destroying the interference. Science journalism has really been bad about this topic.
Physics grad here, that's not even fricking true I am so mad. I hate you all. 'Observation' means if you put a piece of glass with a different index of refraction between the slit and the wall, it'll turn back into a particle and stop interfering with itself.
THAT'S ALL IT MEANS I HATE YOU ALL
not always glass, can be any detector that's used to detect neutrons
Literally anything that interacts with it, or its entangled particle. Whatever convolution you're doing between bra ket is going to collapse it. It is literally the definition of "collapsing the wave function"
yes i know i'm not arguing against that
Sorry, I'm salty.
What are the implications? That it has nothing to do with people and consciousness?
It means that all forms of matter that we know exist, exists as a wave before it exists as a particle. Each action from the wave is a collapse of the wave function, which is defined as a convolution between the wave function Hamiltonian and a defined measurement. A convolution is an integral that pushes the "measurement" function across an existing function and determines its behavior as the movement occurs, then sums it up.
So lets say you have <psi| delta |psi>, that means you multiply psi (wave function) by its complex conjugate (removes imaginary info and gives you the a^2 + b^2 of the wave. Where b is the complex value) and then perform the convolution integral over the dirac delta function. This will give you probability of the exact position of the particle in a certain spot. Little rusty because this was like 4 years ago.
When a particle passes through a slit, it doesn't get measured but it has two possibilities to pass through. So the wave function continues with this Doppler effect. Nothing else makes sense for the particle behavior and believe me, no one wants this behavior to exist.
Any information that is a quantity of energy or position is affected by the wave function. Mass, velocity (measuring the velocity vector of the particle is proportional to the FFT of the function. 1/2*mv^2 = h*f , but once you dirac it then the particle has an infinite possibility of direction) everything is wavey.
There is no such a thing as uncertainty. The collapsse of the wave function is nothing more than hidden variables we still don't know/can't measure. The universe is a clockwork mechanism.
This thread is why I hate science gays, they are literal slaves to the system with no imagination whatsoever. They are hung up on Jargon and are actively aggravated by people's interest in such experiments, as if the explanation of instrument interference is totally satisfactory without any need for further consideration. If it truly is instrument interference as people believe then they should seek to design the experiment in a way such that there is no interference, if they cannot do that and they cannot explain the true nature of the interference then logically they must concede that there is a definite possibility that consciousness does impact the wave form but they can't admit that, they just put their fingers in their ears and act like their basic bullshit explains why an external caneraywould make light wave forms behave in such a way. They should be seeking to understand the magical ability of cameras to control light but no, they aren't. They are just smug ignorant dipshits instead.
It's aggrivating because it is obvious that the whole "muh consciousness" is fundamentally a misunderstanding caused by the use of the word "observation" in QM parlance... and that this misunderstanding has grown into basically a giant grifting operation trying to sell scientific spirituality to dumbfricks who don't know anything about it.
So you are annoyed that people are interested in a thing that you consider to be "your" realm, primarily because they don't understand or use the Jargon you have been taught. How very scientific of you.
That's not what I said.
Yes, I agree with you. That's not what I meant.
>Yes, I agree with you. That's not what I meant.
Sorry, I jumped into the conversation without getting the full context, but honestly that's not usually necessary because most people are just moronic.
It's what you meant. People aren't using the right words and it's making you mad. How about you get off your high horse and communicate with people instead of being a pedant.
>People aren't using the right words and it's making you mad.
lol no.
I don't care about maintaining the linguistic purity of quantum mechanics.
As I said here:
I am annoyed at the conceptual misunderstanding being preyed upon by grifting charlatans.
Right, the mind is just a useless ball of flesh. Don't tell that to the CIA, they have paid remote viewers.
I kind of like the idea that humanity is in control of their own destiny, and that none of this fricking matters so we might as well live for ourselves. Frick genes, frick society and everything else. Just achieve your goals and die.
It's a little more sinister. We collectively generate our aggregate reality, that's why we get shilled such awful shit constantly. They want us to generate what they show us and for the most part we do.
Bro I don't care about your spiritual ideas. You can have whatever spirituality you want... but if you're misrepresenting QM as a means to your ends, then I take issue with that.
No one is talking about spirituality. You are running away from the scientifically verifiable notion that mind impacts the world beyond our senses.
I plead ignorance on remote viewing and telekenesis
If you are on BOT it's deliberate at this point.
Yes
If there is information you don't want to know then that is your prerogative but it makes you as worthless as a normie. No point in debating someone who can't color outside of the lines. We all know what the system thinks. What I can't understand is the passion to remain ignorant.
I follow something more like the greedy algorithm. If something doesn't look promising, i don't pursue it
It's not as irrational mindset. I believe that people should learn every schema possible and seek to understand their relation.
As I said here:
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Sorry anon but the idea of muh consciousness existed long before the idea of quantum mechanics
Imagine thinking the “observation “ in the double slit experiment has anything to do with looking at the experiment, and not physically moving the board instead.
>muh double slit experiment
>it's literally le magic and sorcery you guise
Ask me how I know you're a scientifically illiterate moron. Let me guess, antivaxxer and flat earther too?
am a flatvaxxer antiearther motherfricker
>the "J-word"
jigaboo
I think it has decided that "jew" is itself a slur, since people so often talk shit about israelites.
So much shit talking and seething in this thread. A simple experiment that amazes some and enrages others. It might be the ultimate NPC test, the belief that it could actually be related to mind as opposed to some inexplicably separated issue regarding the method of observation itself.
As the old saying goes, the wise man points at the moon and the idiot looks at his finger. How does my finger look you geniuses?
Dr Penrose is correct.
eh..I broke chat GPT just by asking if the Nuremberg code states that coerced vaccinations are illegal
just give it a few minutes or even an hour or so and continue the conversation. save the text you entered just in case it didn't register in the saved conversation and return to it. usually only takes an hour at the most.
nice
moronic spíc here, how do they know what the light passing looks like if theres no observer?
>If a tree falls in the forest, and there’s no one around to hear it, does it make a sound?
yeah but people have heard trees falling
how do they know what the light passing through the slit looks like if theres no observer, is the one i dont get
There is an interesting interpretation of QM is where the wavefunction is not exactly a real thing (whatever that would mean) but a description of the knowledge we have of a particle.
In this case, nothing mystical is happening just a sort of monty hall problem where probabilities collapse as you take measurements and change your knowledge of the system.
The double slit experiment as it is presented isn't true. You don't get two neat bands if someone is measuring which slit a photon when through. You get the same interference pattern every time, but if you measure which slit was used for a specific photon in any way, then you can reconstruct two separate patterns that combine to give the observed interference.
Double slit posters are glow Black person MKUltra posts.
>What's the deal with double slit posters
Hello JIDF
Clearly over the target with that level of seethe.
Nothing is worse than the goyim knowing.
digits im feeling paranoid, should i take my meds?
>Double slit posters are glow Black person MKUltra posts.
i won't deny been MKUltra but i've gone rogue a long time ago. that been said i don't glow and i am not a Black person
>AI has learned Quantum mechanics from midwits online
Amazing. Well done cali techgays.
I asked it about UE4 blueprint communication and it spat the dummy. Its pretty useless.
>I asked it about UE4 blueprint communication
too lazy to screen cap
Human: what do you know about UE4 blueprint communication?
AI: I know that UE4 Blueprint Communication is a method of creating interactive content within Unreal Engine 4. This is done using Blueprints, which are visual programming nodes that allow users to create and connect parameters, functions, and objects in order to produce their desired results. It is a powerful tool for creating immersive experiences and content with the engine.
Human:
moron here. How is passing light through 2 slits going to tell that an observer is conscious?
By placing a device that measures its passing. The observation of the event changes its outcome.
It won't and every physicist will tell you that. What you're observing here is a bunch of NPCs gobbling up false science memes
So the experiment itself is a hoax? Please elaborate.
See
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. There are mindbending paradoxes that result from it but the idea that it proves consciousness creates reality is moronic.
What are discret measurements
Nvm found it
Why is it moronic?
>So the experiment itself is a hoax?
No but it clearly states that it's the measuring device that makes the difference and not the consciousness of a guy conducting the experiment, he can leave the place before and come back after and read the data it makes no difference.
For what it's worth, any video about the double slit experiment that addresses that issue will tell you that the consciousness part is a misunderstanding of the experiment.
If you can't explain how it does it then there is more to be considered. They have done elaborate experiments using mirrors and random switches to observe the patterns formation after it forms and it still collapses, in the past. Photo linked from post
If you can't explain it beyond that then you can't rule out consciousness.
>If you can't explain how it does it then there is more to be considered.
In order to measure it it has to pass either through a glass like medium or some EM field and it will affect it in both cases.
>They have done elaborate experiments using mirrors and random switches to observe the patterns formation after it forms and it still collapses
Yes, a light that bounces off of a mirror will be affected by the mirror unlike the light that goes straight
I'm talking about the line of observation. How does the light get affected by the camera? It's not passing through the vax camera, it's passing through the slits. The camera is observing it. How does the camera affect the picture?
What camera dude look at some videos they don't use a camera they literally put a thing over a slit. Also even if you use a camera you have to put it close and it has circuits that emit EM waves
Seeing something is different from recorded observation. An AI could perceive things hypothetically (see: cctv) but it's essentially just a fancy camera. However, that is no different than humans because then you're suggesting that humans have a special X factor when looking at something (spoiler: we don't).
We are just constrained by our biological makeup but if that could be changed you could in theory "Ship of Theseus" people into other bodies since that's how we already work
/misc/ actually btfo AI
holy shit