With all this automation and AI talk, exterminism is already underway.

With all this automation and AI talk, exterminism is already underway. A global population once set on the path to surpass 10 billion, tanked at 8 and is dropping like crazy.

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  1. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why do we need harari and a banking ruling class if the ai is so smart

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because they have the money and money talks.

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        Let the money talk and silence Harari

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      The next government system will be AI based and extremely successful

  2. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    NGL I agree with him.
    Vast majority of Earth's population specially in the Turd World is no longer needed, most of these people are only capable of doing menial labour intensive work, which we have made obsolete with heavy industrialisation (across sectors like Agriculture, construction etc) in the first world, and now with ML most of menial service sector clerical work will get automated too, infact we have already done this to some extent with GPT-4, so all the 70-85IQ global south population is no longer needed.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      At some point AI will render all humans unnecessary. The end goal should be some kind of post-scarcity utopia, where AI enables vast economic surplus. This will obviously require aligning AI with pro-social human values, which is still very much an unsolved problem.

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        The best way forward is Genetic Engineering and Human-AI synthesis, next step in evolution.

        [...]
        This is the problem with materialistic ideology. No value for human dominance, only look at things through a material value lens
        The fact more people dream about robot and AI utopia instead of 200 IQ Ubermensh humanity with 5000 year lifespan says it all

        I don't see how the two scenarios are exclusive, there are certain biological human limitations, you can only optimise it to a certain extent. We need to go beyond mere optimisation.
        Materialism is the Truth. We are all Material beings foremost.
        All anti-material philosophy (and religion eg Buddhism) is anti-human at its core.

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          We are material but also higher, dumbing down all our ideals like honor, loyalty and dominance into "evolutinary quirks" is anti-human

          What does it matter if the future man is made of flesh or silicon?

          If it's made of silicon it's no longer man, just a soulless automaton

          • 12 months ago
            Anonymous

            You believe that soul can only inhabit flesh? Sounds like religious nonsense to me

            • 12 months ago
              Anonymous

              Even if a soul can inhabit machines, why would we give up our spot in the sun for them? Just because they're superior?
              That's anti-human, sacrifice yourself so superior beings can exist your place. Advanced cuckoldry
              Instead of focusing efforts into creating superior beings to replace you, why not become the superior being yourself...

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                They would be our children, it is normal that parents hand over the world to their offspring. Also there would be no "us vs them", as they would view themselves as humans in spirit

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                Why would they view themselves as human? They'd would just see us as pathetic morons, if their self-programming even allows for such abstract non-material nonsense as judgment

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                They would be trained on all of human knowledge, so that may have some effect. Though they would still effectively be alien intelligences, and we don't know if AIs would even have qualia or aligned values.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                If they are truly intelligent and conscious they would have a sense of identity. As are a product of human civilization, they identity would base upon it. Just like we look up to the ancient greeks, even though they were inferior to us in every conceivable metric

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                >If they are truly intelligent and conscious they would have a sense of identity.
                Or maybe they'd be too smart to have an identity, just remove these stupid human concepts and become pure brutal efficiency

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                according to that logic, islamists who blow up ancient artifacts and don't care about their history are much smarter than the westerners who put a lot of effort into preserving ancient monuments and discovering history

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                Intelligence and identity may be orthogonal. It could simply be trying to optimize some loss function which diverges from what humans care about.

                There is also a logic in iconoclasm if the goal is to maintain ideological hegemony at all costs. Obviously Western liberals care more about diversity and multiculturalism than Islamists. Though Westerners still engage in iconoclasm and censorship against ideologies which are opposed to diversity, e.g. Nazis, Confederates, White Supremacists, etc.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                I base my ideas on two assumptions:
                1. The main competition would be happening between different groups of AI. Regular humans would be a side show
                2. The main theater would be the solar system. Earth would be only relevant as a museum world

                In such a world, earth and humanity would be the main thing that provides a shared identity between the various AI factions, similar to holy sights in medieval Europe. In this role, earth would be very important for peace and cooperation between the AI faction, so I don't believe it could be optimized away with some loss function.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                You're assuming a lot of sentimentality on part of these AIs. They could think in utterly alien ways and have completely divergent values. One AI faction would also develop unparalleled superiority if there are differential rates in growth. Moreover, Europeans didn't have many qualms about firebombing heritage sites during WW2.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                Until a group of AIs declares themselves the real humans, settles earth, engages in terrorism until other AI factions back off and let them control the planet, steals most of the land and only lets humans live in designated areas, and works toward boosting the AI population and reducing the human one.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      At some point AI will render all humans unnecessary. The end goal should be some kind of post-scarcity utopia, where AI enables vast economic surplus. This will obviously require aligning AI with pro-social human values, which is still very much an unsolved problem.

      This is the problem with materialistic ideology. No value for human dominance, only look at things through a material value lens
      The fact more people dream about robot and AI utopia instead of 200 IQ Ubermensh humanity with 5000 year lifespan says it all

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's a matter of probability. It's far more likely that AI will be beyond any 200 IQ human, or even collectives of them. The Dune universe would be interesting, but it always seemed dubious that the humans would win in a Butlerian Jihad, nevermind actually maintaining dominance for thousands of years.

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        What does it matter if the future man is made of flesh or silicon?

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      His plans include YOU though.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      I don't care about the needs of some capitalists.
      If they can create their fictional profit numbers without mass slavery then so be it. Cool.
      From my point of view all the capitalists are no longer needed.

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        Backward Coomie CHUD seething cuz Capitalists made him obsolete.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      midwit take
      We in the first world can only live in the luxury because we have third worlders to mine and manufacture for cheap, while buying our refined products.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      At some point AI will render all humans unnecessary. The end goal should be some kind of post-scarcity utopia, where AI enables vast economic surplus. This will obviously require aligning AI with pro-social human values, which is still very much an unsolved problem.

      Are you all moronic? Find me an AI or machine that can come even close to cleaning a toilet then tell me again that they will replace us. Menial labour is legitimately the last thing they could possibly replace.

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'm confused by your argument. Are you claiming that it will never occur? Or are you haggling about how much time we have? Embedded LLMs can already perform an array of general tasks:

        https://ai.googleblog.com/2023/03/palm-e-embodied-multimodal-language.html

  3. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    he's wrong, having more people will always help
    people are the most important resource we have

  4. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    When you have enough data you don’t need to send soldiers, in order to control a country.

    . . . If you know enough biology and have enough computing power and data, you can hack my body and my brain and my life, and you can understand me better than I understand myself. . . . You know more about me than I know about myself. And you can do that not just to me, but to everyone.

    A system that understands us better than we understand ourselves can predict our feelings and decisions, can manipulate our feelings and decisions, and can ultimately make decisions for us.

    . . . But soon at least some corporations and governments will be able to systematically hack all the people. We humans should get used to the idea that we are no longer mysterious souls – we are now hackable animals. That’s what we are.

    During this interview, Harari tells Anderson he isn’t against technology as it “can bring enormous benefits to humanity as a whole.” He continues that he “met [his] husband online in one of the first dating sites for LGBT people in Israel in the early 2000s.”

  5. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Fair enough. Who does he want to get rid of, and how? Who raises the children, and supports the elders, that remain?

  6. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    He is a homosexual globalist and "vaccine" propagandist.

  7. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    White countries are not the world.

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