The next generation of movies will be even more soulless than the current one.
No actors, no sets, no cameras or lighting.
Everything will be done on some pajeet's computer.
and it will be better than the past decade of human made garbage that made it to cinemas.
or are you american and drooling at the thought of another 20iq superhero movie rehash where you pay to see two hours of ads, politics and mediocre unfunny acting?
Anon, you will be able to make your own films. You won't have to rely on billionaire garden gnome rapists in Hollywood anymore. You will be able to just scroll down BOT and find AI generated films directed by anons that are better than anything Hollywood has ever done.
THIS IS ALREADY HOW MOVIES ARE MADE. THERE'S NO CREATIVITY OR SOUL, EVERYTHING IS OVERDETERMINED BY "WHAT WILL MAKE DISNEY THE MOST MONEY"
Have you fucking retards seen a marvel movie in the last 10 years? They're indistinguishable from some AI generated shit because they're algorithmically designed to sell as many tickets as possible.
I guarantee you fuck heads that the first 100%-AI generated movies will be totally identical to every box office summer hit of the last decade.
>I guarantee you fuck heads that the first 100%-AI generated movies will be totally identical to every box office summer hit of the last decade.
Huh, I was not aware a porn movie was ever a box office summer hit.
>Butcher entire scripts to shove their shitty humor/dialogues/politics >Act as if they were hot shit and the stars of shit they didn't made in the first place >Even worse, think they are "fixing" the source material
Dubgays get what they fucking deserve
>The next generation of movies will no longer yield money to the likes of Kevin gaygey, Mark Ruffles and Brie Larson
Oh no, the horror...
What if instead of doing text to voice, you do voice to voice. Get a cheaper voice actor or just some guy, record the lines in the right inflection with the right pauses and stuff, and then it turns into the VA that you want. Basically like a deepfake. Do they do that yet?
no, it will just do to the VA industry the same it did/is doing to the translation industry. high-quality workers will always be needed, but the bottom of the barrel will be made to polish small AI artifacts earning half of their wage
I don't know about that, translator wages tanked when machine translation became mainstream about 10 years ago, because most "translator" positions disappeared and became "post-editor" positions instead. which is natural, really. it's the same way in some factories: the robot does the hard work, you just have to make sure its output is up to the quality standards.
There's more content that needs to be translated/post-edited than there are translators available. So its not a problem of machine learning translators, its a problem of capital market not being utilized. The bottleneck might just be one company or small company controls the right to one type of medium that fired 50% of the translators. Ofcourse in a rational market, you'd have another player setup a competitor and translate the same amount of work with same AI and with 50% of the staff that was laid off, simply because the work is never done and is endless.
And there is more voice work that needs to be done but can't because it's prohibively expensive. That's why most mods and indie games are unvoiced. This tech will now allow voiced content that would have otherwise been unvoiced.
There's more content that needs to be translated/post-edited than there are translators available. So its not a problem of machine learning translators, its a problem of capital market not being utilized. The bottleneck might just be one company or small company controls the right to one type of medium that fired 50% of the translators. Ofcourse in a rational market, you'd have another player setup a competitor and translate the same amount of work with same AI and with 50% of the staff that was laid off, simply because the work is never done and is endless.
I think that more importantly, like the first poster pointed out, those AI tools serve a niche that simply can't be served by professionals because of cost, availability, or other constraints. Even when they are perfect, that's still not technically enough. You can say something naturally but the director's intent was that you sound kinda sick while saying it while your AI is only saying it as if happy. Or you can translate something perfectly verbatim but the point is to make it flow smoothly in the target language, so the correct approach is actually a rewrite that keeps the essence and the existence of a pun, but replaces the pun and thus the text (adverts especially need this, while localizations have different requirements).
1 month ago
Anonymous
The trick is to have AI do most of the boring npc voices and hire actors to do more important characters/unique voices
1 month ago
Anonymous
A better approach is likely to hire actors to do even the boring NPC voices, but to use AI to do voice transfer so that one VA ends up doing 100 different "voices".
1 month ago
Anonymous
true, then repos different characters can be made and distributed (whether it be public or private)
1 month ago
Anonymous
Then you create new AI voices from AI voices and it keeps spiraling
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I think that more importantly, like the first poster pointed out, those AI tools serve a niche that simply can't be served by professionals because of cost, availability, or other constraints. Even when they are perfect, that's still not technically enough. You can say something naturally but the director's intent was that you sound kinda sick while saying it while your AI is only saying it as if happy. Or you can translate something perfectly verbatim but the point is to make it flow smoothly in the target language, so the correct approach is actually a rewrite that keeps the essence and the existence of a pun, but replaces the pun and thus the text (adverts especially need this, while localizations have different requirements).
that's not how it works
thanks to AI it becomes easy to produce content, therefore the amount of content will greatly increase
people will just consume more diverse content
>people will just consume more diverse content >an isekaishitter or a capeshitter will finally expand his taste and watch something else because of ai!
touch grass anon
I'm looking forward to it being good enough that it can be used in online games so that voice chat becomes sttts to match the character voice, get rid of accents, and use less bandwidth to transfer voice to boot.
That's the opposite of how it works. The total amount of work to do is fixed, it doesn't magically expands (it does, but by negligible amounts). If one VA can now do 10x the work, that's 9 VAs out of work.
I mean we could always stagnate as a society and produce the same amount even with AI, but where does that leave us as a society? No where. automation's use is to scale up output. Such that products become commodity, affordable, etc Thats how societies can benefit from scale and how every American has a car in their home.
We could focus on quality over quantity, yet here we are, with quality never lower and only lowering by the minute, all in the name of your lord and savior "scale up"-sama.
Will this be another tv killing radio then tv getting killed by streaming kinda thing? Ai wasnt even a blip 5yrs ago and now normeis losing their shit over it and their wagies
AI was big starting in about 2015. It's really just adverts and PR article investment are through the roof now.
>We could focus on quality over quantity
False dichotomy.
We get quality from quantity. Experience in scale allows for precision
1 month ago
Anonymous
We don't get quality whatsoever. To this day, handcrafted knives are still infinitely better than massproduced, for just one example. You could also just look all around you at how everything is shitty and falling apart whenever you look at it funny.
So it won't be another vr ar abortion? That shit died faster than dailup
An AI winter is always possible. Previous ones were caused by overpromising and underdelivering, drying up investments. As ads and PR is ramping up to ludicrous levels, this could happen once again. However, it is a fact that since greedy layerwise pretraining, deep learning has broken new ground and opened new possibilities everywhere. Things like hand writing recognition, facial identification, and machine translation, even computer vision as a whole, will never be the same as before deep learning became big, for example, so even the practical impact of the tech is obvious.
But all it takes is a momentary plateau (real or imagined) and it will all crash down due to the whiplash effect caused by overpromising or similar effects.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Single handcrafted might be "better" but to who?
Meanwhile billion mass manufactured knives are in every home, being used for cooking/cuting without any issue and they cost <$10.
There's enough quality in mass produced knives to last decades without issue and be restorable with minimal maintenance.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>but to who?
To literally everyone? Blade lasts longer, can take on more of a beating, can be sharpened better, shaft lasts longer. etc. It's an objective fact. Pure quantity, no quality. The only reason handmade knives aren't way cheaper is precisely because all the money went to quantity-only bullshit. If we had used any tech at all to improve quality or speed up the work on quality items, they would be much cheaper and would also be much faster to make (due to competition).
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Blade lasts longer, can take on more of a beating, can be sharpened better, shaft lasts longer
Meaningless when mass produced blades can last decades, generations, even hundreds of years. 100 year old kitchen knifes mass produced back then can be found and refurbished with bit of grinding/sharpening today.
>To literally everyone?
Given that labor/expertise to make finely tuned blades is scarce, given the cost in time/materials of producing a single blade is extremely prohibitive, your claim makes no sense. Why would a ma/pa pay hundreds on a handcrafted knife from some rando vs what they can buy from walmart for $5-10 that would last for generations?
1 month ago
Anonymous
>mass produced blades can last decades,
Stopped reading here.
Go back to the bizarro world you come from where 4 weeks is decades.
1 month ago
Anonymous
you can pay more to get a mass-produced item of better quality, even from aliexpress
the simple fact is that most people and most uses never required a high quality translation in the first place
i've used machine translation a lot, both for websites and even talking to foreigners, before machine translation i simply didn't do either, because why would i pay someone to translate a page i don't even know i will want to read yet? why would i want to hire someone to translate all my posts to someone i'm IM'ing for fun? machine translation opened doors for me, it did not close doors for someone else
this. I don't need some 1 page chink instruction for where to put the batteries to be translated in high quality, especially when it has pictures on it.
legal work, actually relevant work, probably novels and so on where it matters will still receive normal translations.
you just can't over-charge for shit even a barely functional AI can do anymore.
I just don't care anymore. I have heard so many voice actors, big and indie alike, shit on the games that gave them the work they are currently demanding. I have seen enough "let me voice your nerd shit -> fuck all nerd shit" transitions that I actively welcome AI replacing them. Let humans fight over The Last of Us Part 3 roles and let passion projects use AI.
It's amazing how ~~*artists*~~ are like that no matter their field. It's especially egregious for VAs because imagine being an actual VA yet thinking anybody is paying you for your voice and not for your voice ACTING.
We live in a highly secular society, so 'artists' even commercial artists have gained some of the mystique of priests or shamans. They have a special type of status which is now disintegrating.
why are ai evangelists so fucking retarded every time you speak >the impoverished artists are actually le mystical priests oppressing us poor rational types, a bloo bloo i am very clever
you are very retarded
>anybody is paying you for your voice
Companies hiring live-action actor celebrities to do voice acting do exactly that. It's not even the voice, it's the name attached to it.
mod dev puts in all the effort to think up, code and write dialogue for his mod and then this guy that just has to read a script into a mic wants money
Voice actors can suck it, what talent even is that? Scream and moan on demand? Talk with "le emotion"? I can do that to given a script (I do this VOIP in games as shitposts). These retards are just LARPing as fictional characters behind a microphone, thinking their failed movie acting careers is worth getting paid for.
God bless AI speech synthesis bringing the salt to these reddit man children
Good VAs are really a talent class that can't just be replicated by an amateur. However, anglo VAs are dogshit, and since most people on BOT only know anglo and perhaps nip VAs, they don't understand what VAs can do when they're selected for their talent and not for their celebrity status among plebs.
i still think ai (with the current chinese room approach) will only be able to generate goyslop. very high quality goyslop, but still soulles goyslop. like 99% of netflix originals-tier goyslop. maybe even better. no matter how good it becomes, it will still be goyslop. the musical ai might make a chart topper, but it will never make ANYTHING rivaling mozart or bach, no matter how much it manages to imitate their style.
i guess normies npcs will be happy with their unlimited goyslop, but real people will always know the difference and seek for stuff made with soul
There's a rapidly transforming landscape where paper published 2 months get turned into products, and and 4 months later become obsoleted by newer papers.
You're using the chinese room approach because thats all you understand it as. Papers are using vaious new means to gain more and more capabilities with increasingly novel approaches. Your ignorance is what allows you to see everything as static. Its not reality however.
1 month ago
Anonymous
every ML approach is a chinese room approach. they are just bruteforcing it until "it just works"
1 month ago
Anonymous
That's not chinese room.
1 month ago
Anonymous
The guy you're replying to is throwing buzzwords lol
1 month ago
Anonymous
the black box architecture of ml models IS the chinese room. the most recent models are as good as they are simply because they were fed with an immense amount of data for training. even if they'll get 10000000x more training data, they'll still be chinese rooms
1 month ago
Anonymous
You have no idea what a chinese room is or does.
1 month ago
Anonymous
no you
1 month ago
Anonymous
And how does that apply to neural net? Not only is it wrong, but its also irrelevant.
1 month ago
Anonymous
chatgpt can't really "think". no matter how much data you feed or how good you design it. no determistic architecture can produce a "real" intelligence. every ai you will see this decade are all chinese rooms
1 month ago
Anonymous
What do you think "thinking" means? You're wrong. FYI.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>What do you think "thinking" means?
how about (You) read about the chinese room before replying again?
1 month ago
Anonymous
How about you stop using jargons and explain what you mean, otherwise there's no room to discuss. Your buzzwords mean nothing to me because I already know what it means, I dont see you understand what it means.
1 month ago
Anonymous
you clearly don't know what that means since you keep asking retarded question that are explain in the wikipedia article
>he thinks the way the human brain "thinks" isn't just fancy matrix multiplication
ngmi
prove it
1 month ago
Anonymous
>muh wikipedia
So you have nothing to say but to throw a book at someone and claim that you won?
It really shows that you dont know what you're talking about.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>he thinks the way the human brain "thinks" isn't just fancy matrix multiplication
ngmi
1 month ago
Anonymous
>no determistic architecture can produce a "real" intelligence
I kind of doubt that. If you were able to fully simulate the function of a human brain you would have "real" intelligence. The major hurdles are obviously the understanding of brain function required in order to simulate it, plus the compute power required to run the simulation, but I don't see why either of those would be insurmountable given enough time and study. Sure, I don't think ChatGPT is going to develop "real" intelligence ever, but considering how intelligence results of the physical objects which are human brains I don't see how at the very least simulating a brain would eventually would be completely impossible.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>The major hurdles are obviously the understanding of brain function required in order to simulate it, plus the compute power required to run the simulation
Thats a meme. I don't think its the case at all. And even if such were the case, we can trade latency/time for compute. IMO, human intelligence level computations can be done under <100 w of compute power with current level $200 mid tier GPUs. But real time is another matter.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>If you were able to fully simulate the function of a human brain you would have "real" intelligence
it's all speculative, but some argue that our consciousness can only exist because of quantum mechinics. while eventually we'll be able to simulate all the neurons and their connection, there is a chance that it still won't work as a human brain
1 month ago
Anonymous
>because quantum mechanics
Nonsense. Really.
And also
>no determistic architecture can produce a "real" intelligence
I kind of doubt that. If you were able to fully simulate the function of a human brain you would have "real" intelligence. The major hurdles are obviously the understanding of brain function required in order to simulate it, plus the compute power required to run the simulation, but I don't see why either of those would be insurmountable given enough time and study. Sure, I don't think ChatGPT is going to develop "real" intelligence ever, but considering how intelligence results of the physical objects which are human brains I don't see how at the very least simulating a brain would eventually would be completely impossible.
>fully simulate the function of a human brain you would have "real" intelligence
We dont need to "fully" simulate human brains. Just like we dont need to simulate how feathers/wings work on birds to fly airplanes and rockets. All we need is core understanding of fluid dynamics, which is not even related to biology of a bird.
And really, intelligence isnt going to be had by simulating biology, its going to be had by understanding the core functions of a brain. 1) input 2) processing 3) memory 4) feedback loop of processing (both for sensory/memory) 5) discriminator system based upon some simple heuristics (i.e brightness of colors, s/n quality of sounds, electrical output from neurons(feelings of touch), processing compute load, etc) and most importantly, understanding of the field in which it operates in 6) consciousness field. Its not a real field, but its a conceptual framework for the mind to be aware of the working space, a sort of a relational system in reference to the system/body/brain and its surroundings.
Chat GPU has 1) input, 2) processing, it has very limited 3) memory, extremely limited 4) feedback loop, limited 5) discriminator systems but no 6) understanding of its relation to the user or itself.
Its all a matter of improving the lower 4 parts to get a fully sentient AIs. Memory is the easiest to do, we memory space is abundant for a single localized system, but its not utilized by the system effectively. Feedback loop is also doable but needs to work. Discriminator system is very limited right now too and needs a generalized heuristics. And finally understanding of its own reference point in relation to others.
All these functions augment one another and increase capabilities if one improves greatly.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Also the conscious field could merely be a byproduct of better processing/feedback loop in understanding memories in meta ways.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Nonsense. Really.
prove it. quantum mechanics would actually explain our "free will", otherwise yeah, we are also chinese room with 90b neurons
1 month ago
Anonymous
There's no libertarian free will, you don't need quantum mechanics to explain the natural equilibrium between two semi-independent states. We have natural systems like that already. Its called autopoiesis systems.
1 month ago
Anonymous
There is noting wron with Chinese room.
Does it produce result? Yes? Than its no different from "real" intelligence. There is no demand for intelligence there is demand for result.
1 month ago
Anonymous
this i dont give a shit about soul or if its "real" "true" intelligence
if technology can progress to the point where it creates something i can interact with to the level where it fools me into believing it is real, then it is real.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Than its no different from "real" intelligence.
prove it
1 month ago
Anonymous
every ai tard says this then gets butthurt no one wants to buy his ai created crap or even accept it for free.
AI can't be creative neither can the " results" driven dunning krugers
1 month ago
Anonymous
>artificial intelligence is artificial
Amazing insight.
Diffusions date back from 1994 (and the modern version from 2015).
Transformers are from 2017 but they're just the convnets with attention that everyone was using since 2013, just with the kernel reaching max size.
Neural ODEs are the only exciting new thing, and while diffusions can be likened to neural ODEs and their current formulation is based on this, the score-based paradigm is more powerful and equivalent to it, despite being older. Neural ODEs were 2018.
https://newatlas.com/creative-ai-algorithmic-art-painting-fool-aaron/36106/
Dates back to 1973-2016
1 month ago
Anonymous
I don't see the relationship with the discussion you're replying to.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Then post the 1994 diffusion i cant find it
1 month ago
Anonymous
Sorry, it's 1995 and not 1994.
https://cites
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Also here's the 2015 paper for completeness:
http://proceedings.mlr.press/v37/sohl-dickstein15.pdf
hahahaha i love gays seething over ai, can't wait until one comes out that can generate full songs with vocals that make sense which you can prompt themes etc
yes, it's perfect for being goyslop ost. my only issue is that the audio quality is garbage, but i'm pretty sure it will be possible to "upscale" it later
1 month ago
Anonymous
You could just say "I'm too much of a retarded zoomer to find the play button" instead of exposing yourself through your hilarious self-own only followed up by more self-owns.
Thank God electronic music (read hip hop) will finally die. We will finally get acoustic and people who can actually sing (the notes between the notes) again
>he thinks normalgays will suddenly develop an appreciation for talent instead of creaming themselves over digitally mass-produced mumblerap
As long as music is marketed to the masses, repetitive and simplistic genres will always drown out actual talent.
Just ask normies why they like a certain song. Even in shitty rap music they can find meaning
>the (human) 'story' behind a song
The "story" is usually some spin on love and has been like this for idk at least 30 years.
About time this shit gets replaced.
Even if they change the story it's still a human story that people are looking for. A story a soulless robot cannot create (without adding a human face to it, that is. This means AI can of course still ghostwrite music)
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Just ask normies why they like a certain song.
"Because it's catchy and has a good beat"
- The normalgay friend I just asked, regarding his favorite goyslop song
>the (human) 'story' behind a song
The "story" is usually some spin on love and has been like this for idk at least 30 years.
About time this shit gets replaced.
>the people who listen to songs with lyrics like "bros iffy, blicky got the stiffy, uh" care about the story behind a song
I wish I could say that I'm laughing at you but honestly I'm just astonished that someone could genuinely hold this opinion.
1 month ago
Anonymous
I hate rap too, but the lyrics are still created to mimic meaningful things
https://www.songfacts.com/facts/6ix9ine/gummo >6ix9ine's production and engineering collaborator Wizard told Rolling Stone that the two spent nearly a third of a year poring over this song's lyrical content about the thrills of armed robbery.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>two retards spent 4 months coming up with the word "blicky" >this is somehow definitive proof that the people listening to the music give a rat's ass about the story behind the song that they can't even understand without research since it uses entirely nonsensical words and phrases
1 month ago
Anonymous
So why is it that the song has 427 million views? Is it just the catchy beat? Is it because it was on the youtube hom page for a couple of weeks? No, it was because of the controversy around the artist. AI cannot replicate that
1 month ago
Anonymous
>No, it was because of the controversy around the artist. AI cannot replicate that
We are quite literally posting in a thread regarding the widely known and discussed controversy regarding AI art. Even disregarding that, I don't think you even know what your own argument is anymore. First you tried to claim that the draw of this type of music was the meaning behind it, then you tried to claim it was about the effort put into the lyrics, and now you're saying that it has nothing to do with either of those and is instead the effect of a controversy about the artist himself, not the music.
As was already said here
>Just ask normies why they like a certain song.
"Because it's catchy and has a good beat"
- The normalgay friend I just asked, regarding his favorite goyslop song
, the people you're attempting to speak for disagree with you.
from the samples i've heard, i think AI voice acting will replace most human voice acting pretty soon, it's very good, and much easier to get exactly what you want unlike with AI painting
Will this be another tv killing radio then tv getting killed by streaming kinda thing? Ai wasnt even a blip 5yrs ago and now normeis losing their shit over it and their wagies
nope. Japanese is cheaper to synthesize than English (see: the vocaroids), and there are still no Jap AI VAs. especially because they are stars in their own right, and has considerable lobby power
Voice actors will still exist because actors will still exist and people like voice acting anyway. It's like when people say AI images are going to stop people from drawing ever again. You kidding me?
That being said, it will raise the bar on voice acting. Mods will make a ton of use of AI voices, and people will mostly do low level VA work because they enjoy it or for memes more than making money.
I hate these artists and entertainment types so much. They're an annoying as fuck loud minority. Get a productive skill or go act in real life, paint with real paints or something worth looking at, or play music at a venue or bar.
The Romans were right about them.
I support any technology that makes creating movies/music/games/books etc. easier. Maybe some more talented people will be able to deliver an interesting product
I hope AI shakes up the cancel culture aspect of the creative industry. It's hard to police what art/music/films people make when literally everyone is pumping out their own content (quality or not). I'd rather have real voice actors for my games but I'd use an ai instead of some gay who tries to ruin the project over bullshit like cultural appropriation or female characters being too sexy.
What's the likely hood of voice actor's who died/lost their voice being not only replaced but their voice being patented/copyrighted to a single property from then on?
Knowing lobbyists, it will not take long for such a law to pass. Otherwise any bloke can take a famous persons voice and use it for their medium against the artists (or the artist's heir's) will
imagine the seethe when the first complete AI-generated movie comes out. there's probably already studios working on it.
normies will go see it either because they don't care and going to the theaters when New Movie comes out is programmed into them or because they heard AI is the new trendy thing and want to check it out.
It will happen. People have this fantasy of AI killing Hollywood but in reality they'll just pour their budget into making stuff that BOTners can never make on their home computer. You can never compete with Disney's render farms.
I think it will be more useful for voice directors to get the exact kind of performance they want from an actor. Inflection and delivery can be critiqued more easily with an example.
yes please, I fucking hate these entitled fucktards who call themselves artists.
they're entitled to nothing, not even money if people prefer to use software instead to do their fucking job.
adapt yourself or die, as simple as.
same as these gay youtubers, so what if they work 6000 hours a week and not get pay, that's part of the game, deal with it or go back flipping burgers or selling tv
I've been keen on AI voice cloning since around 2018. The only company that had passable quality at the time was respeecher and they charged per conversion and required that you get the permission of the person whose voice you were cloning. I'm not surprised that unrestricted voice cloning would come but I wasn't expecting it until 2024-25.
>if you can't afford the fucking peanuts most indie voice actors work for you shouldn't have voice work for your mod
Really? That's what this temper tantrum is over? Voices in a mod? The things people make and distribute for free for the enjoyment of others? That already utilize assets and game engines they didn't create? I feel like even for someone who's anal as fuck about the artist/AI issue, mods are one area where it's acceptable. It enables people who were already making something for free to make it even better.
my only problem with VA is if you want a voice file for free for private hobby reasons, you can't or its difficult to get hold of all because of ip protection.
Otherwise i agree i wouldn't try to sell it, i'm not a scumbag.
why should normal users even give a shit how much they spent on their equipment anyway? what you spend your money on is not at all my business or problem
it's just an emotional argument
For independents, yeah but the voice acting industry itself is very pro union and tied to Hollywood garden gnomes. Anything above a microphone in a closet won’t be going down any time soon.
>NO! You can't just fire these people. They type for hours to eat. YOU CAN'T JUST REPLACE THEM WITH COMPUTERS BECAUSE... YOU JUST CANT!
>NO! YOU CAN'T INVENT A WATCH THAT FITS IN A WRIST OR WAKE-UP CLOCKS. WHAT ABOUT THE WINDOW-KNOCKERS?!!! THINK ABOUT THEM!!!!
>NO! YOU MUST NOT CREATE THE LIGHTBULB. WHAT ABOUT THE HUMBLE PEOPLE WHO SELL KEROSENE OR OIL FOR LAMPS! YOU CAN'T JUST DO THAT TO THEM... YOU JUST CAN'T!!11111!!
>YOU MUST NOT USE THE WHEEL. YOU MUST PAY YOUR NEIGHBORS WITH GRAIN TO TRANSPORT YOUR BELONGINGS. NO! YOU CAN'T JUST USE THE RECENTLY INVENTED WHEEL!!!!111
It's a never-ending cycle. It's always amusing seeing that "people" refuse to understand that all of us will be eventually replaced. It's natural for it to happen since humanity's discoveries and inventions will never stop. Changes happen. New lacks emerge. New jobs appear.
theres people already uploading ai videos and its basically visual poop. Its not even appealling in the slightest, theres no hand behind it guiding the aesthetic and point.
Even psychedelic animations in the past had some meaning behind it.
the same thing happened when they automated much of the industrial jobs half a century ago. society will adapt and new industries will arise in the aftermath just as they always have.
Now imagine those voice synthesizers existed before PC microphone was a thing. Just like people started to use MoCap, people would start to use voice actors once microphones are invented, despite voice synthesizers existing.
It's much easier to just say something, than fiddle with all the parameters to get computer to say something with need speed, tempo, tone, expression, etc. Maybe AI voice changers will be a popular thing, but voice acting itself is much more practical then synthesizing voices from scratch.
He's saying that a voice changer for yourself would be much more convenient than a synth whose delivery you then have to tune. Basically that audio that is to be converted is a nicer input to such a system than text with a bunch of hints on how exactly to say it.
only in english unfortunately
>unfortunately
Not the entire VA industry; just the low budget part of it.
no, it's just going to kill that one guy
easily. it's going to be so much easier for producers to set the exact voice acting they want
The next generation of movies will be even more soulless than the current one.
No actors, no sets, no cameras or lighting.
Everything will be done on some pajeet's computer.
and it will be better than the past decade of human made garbage that made it to cinemas.
or are you american and drooling at the thought of another 20iq superhero movie rehash where you pay to see two hours of ads, politics and mediocre unfunny acting?
good. that means the people who are creative, don't need the normies known as "talent."
>this is somehow worse than the 15 capeshit movies of the year we currently have
Anon, you will be able to make your own films. You won't have to rely on billionaire garden gnome rapists in Hollywood anymore. You will be able to just scroll down BOT and find AI generated films directed by anons that are better than anything Hollywood has ever done.
that's why they are afraid
no need to waste money or even time on mass produced crap
>You will be able to just scroll down BOT and find AI generated films directed by anons
Please, be true. I hope that day comes.
where it will be true i hope you enjoy youtube poop because thats what you are going to get.
You say it like if YTPs were bad. It's a pity you don't know how to have fun.
i don't waste my time with the sort of mindless shit a BOT nogger finds fun. Thats the path to brain death.
>27 second difference
Samegay seething
Zoomer moron.
better than the feminist pozshit being pushed down our throats today
Who cares about american movies in 2023?
God you people are so fucking stupid.
THIS IS ALREADY HOW MOVIES ARE MADE. THERE'S NO CREATIVITY OR SOUL, EVERYTHING IS OVERDETERMINED BY "WHAT WILL MAKE DISNEY THE MOST MONEY"
Have you fucking retards seen a marvel movie in the last 10 years? They're indistinguishable from some AI generated shit because they're algorithmically designed to sell as many tickets as possible.
I guarantee you fuck heads that the first 100%-AI generated movies will be totally identical to every box office summer hit of the last decade.
Not quite, you also have to add in diversity/ideology in movies as custom parameters
>I guarantee you fuck heads that the first 100%-AI generated movies will be totally identical to every box office summer hit of the last decade.
Huh, I was not aware a porn movie was ever a box office summer hit.
>Butcher entire scripts to shove their shitty humor/dialogues/politics
>Act as if they were hot shit and the stars of shit they didn't made in the first place
>Even worse, think they are "fixing" the source material
Dubgays get what they fucking deserve
>The next generation of movies will no longer yield money to the likes of Kevin gaygey, Mark Ruffles and Brie Larson
Oh no, the horror...
RRR was fucking kino. This might be a good thing.
What if instead of doing text to voice, you do voice to voice. Get a cheaper voice actor or just some guy, record the lines in the right inflection with the right pauses and stuff, and then it turns into the VA that you want. Basically like a deepfake. Do they do that yet?
Ooo, interesting idea.
>I want you to say "insert text"
>as a 20yr old female with an Irish accent who is slightly scared.
Voice changing tech has been around for a while now. It's not game-changing tech.
no, it will just do to the VA industry the same it did/is doing to the translation industry. high-quality workers will always be needed, but the bottom of the barrel will be made to polish small AI artifacts earning half of their wage
Nah, they'll earn the same, its just that they'll now be producing 10x the output because AI does 90% of the work for them.
I don't know about that, translator wages tanked when machine translation became mainstream about 10 years ago, because most "translator" positions disappeared and became "post-editor" positions instead. which is natural, really. it's the same way in some factories: the robot does the hard work, you just have to make sure its output is up to the quality standards.
There's more content that needs to be translated/post-edited than there are translators available. So its not a problem of machine learning translators, its a problem of capital market not being utilized. The bottleneck might just be one company or small company controls the right to one type of medium that fired 50% of the translators. Ofcourse in a rational market, you'd have another player setup a competitor and translate the same amount of work with same AI and with 50% of the staff that was laid off, simply because the work is never done and is endless.
And there is more voice work that needs to be done but can't because it's prohibively expensive. That's why most mods and indie games are unvoiced. This tech will now allow voiced content that would have otherwise been unvoiced.
I think that more importantly, like the first poster pointed out, those AI tools serve a niche that simply can't be served by professionals because of cost, availability, or other constraints. Even when they are perfect, that's still not technically enough. You can say something naturally but the director's intent was that you sound kinda sick while saying it while your AI is only saying it as if happy. Or you can translate something perfectly verbatim but the point is to make it flow smoothly in the target language, so the correct approach is actually a rewrite that keeps the essence and the existence of a pun, but replaces the pun and thus the text (adverts especially need this, while localizations have different requirements).
The trick is to have AI do most of the boring npc voices and hire actors to do more important characters/unique voices
A better approach is likely to hire actors to do even the boring NPC voices, but to use AI to do voice transfer so that one VA ends up doing 100 different "voices".
true, then repos different characters can be made and distributed (whether it be public or private)
Then you create new AI voices from AI voices and it keeps spiraling
Here's to hoping more AI voice acted mods/games
>10x the output
who's gonna consume that output tho? unless people have 10x free time, that's never gonna happen
that's not how it works
thanks to AI it becomes easy to produce content, therefore the amount of content will greatly increase
people will just consume more diverse content
>people will just consume more diverse content
>an isekaishitter or a capeshitter will finally expand his taste and watch something else because of ai!
touch grass anon
Anything that is text can become audio. There is pretty much no ceiling to the amount of applications.
>amateur visual novels
>doujin
>the scenes in my head where I married chatolic Jenna Ortega and she's taking care of our children
the future is great
I'm looking forward to it being good enough that it can be used in online games so that voice chat becomes sttts to match the character voice, get rid of accents, and use less bandwidth to transfer voice to boot.
That's the opposite of how it works. The total amount of work to do is fixed, it doesn't magically expands (it does, but by negligible amounts). If one VA can now do 10x the work, that's 9 VAs out of work.
curious, just like the automation that was supposed to cut working hours but in reality just made workers more productive for the same pay
I mean we could always stagnate as a society and produce the same amount even with AI, but where does that leave us as a society? No where. automation's use is to scale up output. Such that products become commodity, affordable, etc Thats how societies can benefit from scale and how every American has a car in their home.
We could focus on quality over quantity, yet here we are, with quality never lower and only lowering by the minute, all in the name of your lord and savior "scale up"-sama.
AI was big starting in about 2015. It's really just adverts and PR article investment are through the roof now.
>We could focus on quality over quantity
False dichotomy.
We get quality from quantity. Experience in scale allows for precision
We don't get quality whatsoever. To this day, handcrafted knives are still infinitely better than massproduced, for just one example. You could also just look all around you at how everything is shitty and falling apart whenever you look at it funny.
An AI winter is always possible. Previous ones were caused by overpromising and underdelivering, drying up investments. As ads and PR is ramping up to ludicrous levels, this could happen once again. However, it is a fact that since greedy layerwise pretraining, deep learning has broken new ground and opened new possibilities everywhere. Things like hand writing recognition, facial identification, and machine translation, even computer vision as a whole, will never be the same as before deep learning became big, for example, so even the practical impact of the tech is obvious.
But all it takes is a momentary plateau (real or imagined) and it will all crash down due to the whiplash effect caused by overpromising or similar effects.
Single handcrafted might be "better" but to who?
Meanwhile billion mass manufactured knives are in every home, being used for cooking/cuting without any issue and they cost <$10.
There's enough quality in mass produced knives to last decades without issue and be restorable with minimal maintenance.
>but to who?
To literally everyone? Blade lasts longer, can take on more of a beating, can be sharpened better, shaft lasts longer. etc. It's an objective fact. Pure quantity, no quality. The only reason handmade knives aren't way cheaper is precisely because all the money went to quantity-only bullshit. If we had used any tech at all to improve quality or speed up the work on quality items, they would be much cheaper and would also be much faster to make (due to competition).
>Blade lasts longer, can take on more of a beating, can be sharpened better, shaft lasts longer
Meaningless when mass produced blades can last decades, generations, even hundreds of years. 100 year old kitchen knifes mass produced back then can be found and refurbished with bit of grinding/sharpening today.
>To literally everyone?
Given that labor/expertise to make finely tuned blades is scarce, given the cost in time/materials of producing a single blade is extremely prohibitive, your claim makes no sense. Why would a ma/pa pay hundreds on a handcrafted knife from some rando vs what they can buy from walmart for $5-10 that would last for generations?
>mass produced blades can last decades,
Stopped reading here.
Go back to the bizarro world you come from where 4 weeks is decades.
you can pay more to get a mass-produced item of better quality, even from aliexpress
shocking concept, i know
So it won't be another vr ar abortion? That shit died faster than dailup
These two things. Sad but true.
he seems upset.
Too much S O Y in the diet, can’t regulate emotions.
i kneel to our machine overlords
the simple fact is that most people and most uses never required a high quality translation in the first place
i've used machine translation a lot, both for websites and even talking to foreigners, before machine translation i simply didn't do either, because why would i pay someone to translate a page i don't even know i will want to read yet? why would i want to hire someone to translate all my posts to someone i'm IM'ing for fun? machine translation opened doors for me, it did not close doors for someone else
this. I don't need some 1 page chink instruction for where to put the batteries to be translated in high quality, especially when it has pictures on it.
legal work, actually relevant work, probably novels and so on where it matters will still receive normal translations.
you just can't over-charge for shit even a barely functional AI can do anymore.
>ai will destroy copywriting
What is the problem where?
I just don't care anymore. I have heard so many voice actors, big and indie alike, shit on the games that gave them the work they are currently demanding. I have seen enough "let me voice your nerd shit -> fuck all nerd shit" transitions that I actively welcome AI replacing them. Let humans fight over The Last of Us Part 3 roles and let passion projects use AI.
>m-m-muh money
the absolute state of "people"
It's amazing how ~~*artists*~~ are like that no matter their field. It's especially egregious for VAs because imagine being an actual VA yet thinking anybody is paying you for your voice and not for your voice ACTING.
We live in a highly secular society, so 'artists' even commercial artists have gained some of the mystique of priests or shamans. They have a special type of status which is now disintegrating.
why are ai evangelists so fucking retarded every time you speak
>the impoverished artists are actually le mystical priests oppressing us poor rational types, a bloo bloo i am very clever
you are very retarded
>anybody is paying you for your voice
Companies hiring live-action actor celebrities to do voice acting do exactly that. It's not even the voice, it's the name attached to it.
Soon enough, probably yeah.
11.ai dagoth ur is fucking kino and im sick of pretending it isn't
mod dev puts in all the effort to think up, code and write dialogue for his mod and then this guy that just has to read a script into a mic wants money
I don't know, but worrying about it is definitely going to kill old Zane here.
Voice actors can suck it, what talent even is that? Scream and moan on demand? Talk with "le emotion"? I can do that to given a script (I do this VOIP in games as shitposts). These retards are just LARPing as fictional characters behind a microphone, thinking their failed movie acting careers is worth getting paid for.
God bless AI speech synthesis bringing the salt to these reddit man children
Good VAs are really a talent class that can't just be replicated by an amateur. However, anglo VAs are dogshit, and since most people on BOT only know anglo and perhaps nip VAs, they don't understand what VAs can do when they're selected for their talent and not for their celebrity status among plebs.
what's a good one? Jim Cummings?
I'm making a channel with a bunch of Elder Scrolls audiobooks.
It's all good until companies offering AI Voice tech puts in stipulations to charge corpos out the ass along with royalties.
Until someone open sources a better model, which is inevitable at the current pace AI is moving.
>Will Boston Dynamics robots kill dance industry?
when the robots have moves like Michael Jackson, yes.
Vocaloids already have better concerts than the rest of pop industry and don't even need robotic bodies.
>retarded soinips like it so it must be good
lol
nip website, newgay
i still think ai (with the current chinese room approach) will only be able to generate goyslop. very high quality goyslop, but still soulles goyslop. like 99% of netflix originals-tier goyslop. maybe even better. no matter how good it becomes, it will still be goyslop. the musical ai might make a chart topper, but it will never make ANYTHING rivaling mozart or bach, no matter how much it manages to imitate their style.
i guess normies npcs will be happy with their unlimited goyslop, but real people will always know the difference and seek for stuff made with soul
The AI audiobooks I've heard on here are more soulful than anything on Audible.
that's because reding book isn't art
pure AI stuff, I agree. the real possibility to surpass human potential is allying AI and human input.
never is a long time, we've only begun seeing consumer oriented ai in the last 3-4 years.
what about 30 years from now?
>what about 30 years from now?
not with the current approach. real art is transcendental
There's no "current approach"
There's a rapidly transforming landscape where paper published 2 months get turned into products, and and 4 months later become obsoleted by newer papers.
they all use the same chinese room approach. until we have quantum computers or 20-30y more advanced tech this is the only way
You're using the chinese room approach because thats all you understand it as. Papers are using vaious new means to gain more and more capabilities with increasingly novel approaches. Your ignorance is what allows you to see everything as static. Its not reality however.
every ML approach is a chinese room approach. they are just bruteforcing it until "it just works"
That's not chinese room.
The guy you're replying to is throwing buzzwords lol
the black box architecture of ml models IS the chinese room. the most recent models are as good as they are simply because they were fed with an immense amount of data for training. even if they'll get 10000000x more training data, they'll still be chinese rooms
You have no idea what a chinese room is or does.
no you
And how does that apply to neural net? Not only is it wrong, but its also irrelevant.
chatgpt can't really "think". no matter how much data you feed or how good you design it. no determistic architecture can produce a "real" intelligence. every ai you will see this decade are all chinese rooms
What do you think "thinking" means? You're wrong. FYI.
>What do you think "thinking" means?
how about (You) read about the chinese room before replying again?
How about you stop using jargons and explain what you mean, otherwise there's no room to discuss. Your buzzwords mean nothing to me because I already know what it means, I dont see you understand what it means.
you clearly don't know what that means since you keep asking retarded question that are explain in the wikipedia article
prove it
>muh wikipedia
So you have nothing to say but to throw a book at someone and claim that you won?
It really shows that you dont know what you're talking about.
>he thinks the way the human brain "thinks" isn't just fancy matrix multiplication
ngmi
>no determistic architecture can produce a "real" intelligence
I kind of doubt that. If you were able to fully simulate the function of a human brain you would have "real" intelligence. The major hurdles are obviously the understanding of brain function required in order to simulate it, plus the compute power required to run the simulation, but I don't see why either of those would be insurmountable given enough time and study. Sure, I don't think ChatGPT is going to develop "real" intelligence ever, but considering how intelligence results of the physical objects which are human brains I don't see how at the very least simulating a brain would eventually would be completely impossible.
>The major hurdles are obviously the understanding of brain function required in order to simulate it, plus the compute power required to run the simulation
Thats a meme. I don't think its the case at all. And even if such were the case, we can trade latency/time for compute. IMO, human intelligence level computations can be done under <100 w of compute power with current level $200 mid tier GPUs. But real time is another matter.
>If you were able to fully simulate the function of a human brain you would have "real" intelligence
it's all speculative, but some argue that our consciousness can only exist because of quantum mechinics. while eventually we'll be able to simulate all the neurons and their connection, there is a chance that it still won't work as a human brain
>because quantum mechanics
Nonsense. Really.
And also
>fully simulate the function of a human brain you would have "real" intelligence
We dont need to "fully" simulate human brains. Just like we dont need to simulate how feathers/wings work on birds to fly airplanes and rockets. All we need is core understanding of fluid dynamics, which is not even related to biology of a bird.
And really, intelligence isnt going to be had by simulating biology, its going to be had by understanding the core functions of a brain. 1) input 2) processing 3) memory 4) feedback loop of processing (both for sensory/memory) 5) discriminator system based upon some simple heuristics (i.e brightness of colors, s/n quality of sounds, electrical output from neurons(feelings of touch), processing compute load, etc) and most importantly, understanding of the field in which it operates in 6) consciousness field. Its not a real field, but its a conceptual framework for the mind to be aware of the working space, a sort of a relational system in reference to the system/body/brain and its surroundings.
Chat GPU has 1) input, 2) processing, it has very limited 3) memory, extremely limited 4) feedback loop, limited 5) discriminator systems but no 6) understanding of its relation to the user or itself.
Its all a matter of improving the lower 4 parts to get a fully sentient AIs. Memory is the easiest to do, we memory space is abundant for a single localized system, but its not utilized by the system effectively. Feedback loop is also doable but needs to work. Discriminator system is very limited right now too and needs a generalized heuristics. And finally understanding of its own reference point in relation to others.
All these functions augment one another and increase capabilities if one improves greatly.
Also the conscious field could merely be a byproduct of better processing/feedback loop in understanding memories in meta ways.
>Nonsense. Really.
prove it. quantum mechanics would actually explain our "free will", otherwise yeah, we are also chinese room with 90b neurons
There's no libertarian free will, you don't need quantum mechanics to explain the natural equilibrium between two semi-independent states. We have natural systems like that already. Its called autopoiesis systems.
There is noting wron with Chinese room.
Does it produce result? Yes? Than its no different from "real" intelligence. There is no demand for intelligence there is demand for result.
this i dont give a shit about soul or if its "real" "true" intelligence
if technology can progress to the point where it creates something i can interact with to the level where it fools me into believing it is real, then it is real.
>Than its no different from "real" intelligence.
prove it
every ai tard says this then gets butthurt no one wants to buy his ai created crap or even accept it for free.
AI can't be creative neither can the " results" driven dunning krugers
>artificial intelligence is artificial
Amazing insight.
Diffusions date back from 1994 (and the modern version from 2015).
Transformers are from 2017 but they're just the convnets with attention that everyone was using since 2013, just with the kernel reaching max size.
Neural ODEs are the only exciting new thing, and while diffusions can be likened to neural ODEs and their current formulation is based on this, the score-based paradigm is more powerful and equivalent to it, despite being older. Neural ODEs were 2018.
https://newatlas.com/creative-ai-algorithmic-art-painting-fool-aaron/36106/
Dates back to 1973-2016
I don't see the relationship with the discussion you're replying to.
Then post the 1994 diffusion i cant find it
Sorry, it's 1995 and not 1994.
https://cites
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Also here's the 2015 paper for completeness:
http://proceedings.mlr.press/v37/sohl-dickstein15.pdf
hahahaha i love gays seething over ai, can't wait until one comes out that can generate full songs with vocals that make sense which you can prompt themes etc
>he doesn't know
https://google-research.github.io/seanet/musiclm/examples/
Way to prove his point, dumbass.
what point? everything non-manual will be replaced with ai in the next 10 years
Have you tried to listen to even ONE (1) sample from the generated audio?
Lol.
yes, it's perfect for being goyslop ost. my only issue is that the audio quality is garbage, but i'm pretty sure it will be possible to "upscale" it later
You could just say "I'm too much of a retarded zoomer to find the play button" instead of exposing yourself through your hilarious self-own only followed up by more self-owns.
?
bad bot
Thank God electronic music (read hip hop) will finally die. We will finally get acoustic and people who can actually sing (the notes between the notes) again
>he thinks normalgays will suddenly develop an appreciation for talent instead of creaming themselves over digitally mass-produced mumblerap
As long as music is marketed to the masses, repetitive and simplistic genres will always drown out actual talent.
I think the saturation and the soullessness will mark a turning point. People care a lot about the (human) 'story' behind a song
>the (human) 'story' behind a song
>rap
Heh...
Just ask normies why they like a certain song. Even in shitty rap music they can find meaning
Even if they change the story it's still a human story that people are looking for. A story a soulless robot cannot create (without adding a human face to it, that is. This means AI can of course still ghostwrite music)
>Just ask normies why they like a certain song.
"Because it's catchy and has a good beat"
- The normalgay friend I just asked, regarding his favorite goyslop song
>the (human) 'story' behind a song
The "story" is usually some spin on love and has been like this for idk at least 30 years.
About time this shit gets replaced.
>the people who listen to songs with lyrics like "bros iffy, blicky got the stiffy, uh" care about the story behind a song
I wish I could say that I'm laughing at you but honestly I'm just astonished that someone could genuinely hold this opinion.
I hate rap too, but the lyrics are still created to mimic meaningful things
https://www.songfacts.com/facts/6ix9ine/gummo
>6ix9ine's production and engineering collaborator Wizard told Rolling Stone that the two spent nearly a third of a year poring over this song's lyrical content about the thrills of armed robbery.
>two retards spent 4 months coming up with the word "blicky"
>this is somehow definitive proof that the people listening to the music give a rat's ass about the story behind the song that they can't even understand without research since it uses entirely nonsensical words and phrases
So why is it that the song has 427 million views? Is it just the catchy beat? Is it because it was on the youtube hom page for a couple of weeks? No, it was because of the controversy around the artist. AI cannot replicate that
>No, it was because of the controversy around the artist. AI cannot replicate that
We are quite literally posting in a thread regarding the widely known and discussed controversy regarding AI art. Even disregarding that, I don't think you even know what your own argument is anymore. First you tried to claim that the draw of this type of music was the meaning behind it, then you tried to claim it was about the effort put into the lyrics, and now you're saying that it has nothing to do with either of those and is instead the effect of a controversy about the artist himself, not the music.
As was already said here
, the people you're attempting to speak for disagree with you.
>I think the saturation and the soullessness will mark a turning point
HOLY RETARD WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN FOR THE LAST 100 YEARS HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAA
Tribal drums and flute sounds so good, I can't wait to test this and use it in my future projects.
The most I see the patreon crowd froth in rage at AI the more I want to see it win.
from the samples i've heard, i think AI voice acting will replace most human voice acting pretty soon, it's very good, and much easier to get exactly what you want unlike with AI painting
Will this be another tv killing radio then tv getting killed by streaming kinda thing? Ai wasnt even a blip 5yrs ago and now normeis losing their shit over it and their wagies
nope. Japanese is cheaper to synthesize than English (see: the vocaroids), and there are still no Jap AI VAs. especially because they are stars in their own right, and has considerable lobby power
I just realized you could use this crap to voice morrowind.
Oh my God.
Honestly would be better than having the same guy voice every male villager.
>pay them
hmm
no
>pay me to do voice work instead of using an AI to do it for free
ok but why?
Voice actors will still exist because actors will still exist and people like voice acting anyway. It's like when people say AI images are going to stop people from drawing ever again. You kidding me?
That being said, it will raise the bar on voice acting. Mods will make a ton of use of AI voices, and people will mostly do low level VA work because they enjoy it or for memes more than making money.
So do we have a leak or something to play around with? Generating voice would bring a whole new level of shitposts to this site.
I'm also trying to find decent voice generation websites
AI will kill all industries, so since va falls under "all", the answer is yes
I hate these artists and entertainment types so much. They're an annoying as fuck loud minority. Get a productive skill or go act in real life, paint with real paints or something worth looking at, or play music at a venue or bar.
The Romans were right about them.
>spergs about AI
>username has COMMS OPEN
Every. Fucking. Time.
i hate people who attention whore their voices so hopefully
Where the fuck is the Open Source Voice AI thread? I'm eager to see if any progress was made by BOT anons
it will kill the american goyslop va industry
Not actual voice acting, at least not soon. Narration though, possibly. These models can only do narration. They can't do acting (yet).
I support any technology that makes creating movies/music/games/books etc. easier. Maybe some more talented people will be able to deliver an interesting product
I hope AI shakes up the cancel culture aspect of the creative industry. It's hard to police what art/music/films people make when literally everyone is pumping out their own content (quality or not). I'd rather have real voice actors for my games but I'd use an ai instead of some gay who tries to ruin the project over bullshit like cultural appropriation or female characters being too sexy.
What's the likely hood of voice actor's who died/lost their voice being not only replaced but their voice being patented/copyrighted to a single property from then on?
Knowing lobbyists, it will not take long for such a law to pass. Otherwise any bloke can take a famous persons voice and use it for their medium against the artists (or the artist's heir's) will
Didn't D*sney already said they will use Vader's VA recordings to keep generating new stuff now that he's retiring?
yes but you sign over all your likeness rights related to a character over to disney when you get the role
>Vader
Why does anyone give a fuck about this boomer OC?
https://vocaroo.com/1is0BJhe83Rg
imagine the seethe when the first complete AI-generated movie comes out. there's probably already studios working on it.
normies will go see it either because they don't care and going to the theaters when New Movie comes out is programmed into them or because they heard AI is the new trendy thing and want to check it out.
It will happen. People have this fantasy of AI killing Hollywood but in reality they'll just pour their budget into making stuff that BOTners can never make on their home computer. You can never compete with Disney's render farms.
I think it will be more useful for voice directors to get the exact kind of performance they want from an actor. Inflection and delivery can be critiqued more easily with an example.
yes please, I fucking hate these entitled fucktards who call themselves artists.
they're entitled to nothing, not even money if people prefer to use software instead to do their fucking job.
adapt yourself or die, as simple as.
same as these gay youtubers, so what if they work 6000 hours a week and not get pay, that's part of the game, deal with it or go back flipping burgers or selling tv
i hope so, VA's are some of the most self-important useless people around
>You now remember the whole candle emoji shitshow on twitter that had like four boards playing cyber sleuth for a whole night
hopefully the english dub industry
I've been keen on AI voice cloning since around 2018. The only company that had passable quality at the time was respeecher and they charged per conversion and required that you get the permission of the person whose voice you were cloning. I'm not surprised that unrestricted voice cloning would come but I wasn't expecting it until 2024-25.
yeah it's insane how fast things are moving. The transformer really is making huge waves basically in all AI tech. Who knew it was just moar params
>if you can't afford the fucking peanuts most indie voice actors work for you shouldn't have voice work for your mod
Really? That's what this temper tantrum is over? Voices in a mod? The things people make and distribute for free for the enjoyment of others? That already utilize assets and game engines they didn't create? I feel like even for someone who's anal as fuck about the artist/AI issue, mods are one area where it's acceptable. It enables people who were already making something for free to make it even better.
For cartoon shit, yes probably.
But for animes like Love Live, not so soon. Because seiyuus are waifus too.
only games that would otherwise use synthesized voices. big games use voice actors for their name primarily and their talent second.
>big games use voice actors for their name primarily
i can't think of any time where i cared who voiced a character in a video game
The funny thing about this retard is that he goes on about bragging about pirating movies/games in his previous tweets.
you wouldn't pirate my vocal chords
I look forward to the tech being perfected and there still being shit VA because some directors just suck.
>Will AI Voice technology kill the VA industry?
Nope.
looks like these parasites will need to find real employment
what a shame
personally i hope they all become homeless and starve to death in the elements
my only problem with VA is if you want a voice file for free for private hobby reasons, you can't or its difficult to get hold of all because of ip protection.
Otherwise i agree i wouldn't try to sell it, i'm not a scumbag.
The VA industry is a big cesspool of nepotism so no.
what "huge" equipment investments do you need for VA? say a mic is $500 and $2000 for a VA soundproof cuckcloset
You don't even need a good mic anymore.
https://podcast.adobe.com/
Meant to post this https://podcast.adobe.com/enhance
>AI enhancement
lol
why should normal users even give a shit how much they spent on their equipment anyway? what you spend your money on is not at all my business or problem
it's just an emotional argument
No
Here's the answer, OP.
For independents, yeah but the voice acting industry itself is very pro union and tied to Hollywood garden gnomes. Anything above a microphone in a closet won’t be going down any time soon.
>NO! You can't just fire these people. They type for hours to eat. YOU CAN'T JUST REPLACE THEM WITH COMPUTERS BECAUSE... YOU JUST CANT!
>NO! YOU CAN'T INVENT A WATCH THAT FITS IN A WRIST OR WAKE-UP CLOCKS. WHAT ABOUT THE WINDOW-KNOCKERS?!!! THINK ABOUT THEM!!!!
>NO! YOU MUST NOT CREATE THE LIGHTBULB. WHAT ABOUT THE HUMBLE PEOPLE WHO SELL KEROSENE OR OIL FOR LAMPS! YOU CAN'T JUST DO THAT TO THEM... YOU JUST CAN'T!!11111!!
>YOU MUST NOT USE THE WHEEL. YOU MUST PAY YOUR NEIGHBORS WITH GRAIN TO TRANSPORT YOUR BELONGINGS. NO! YOU CAN'T JUST USE THE RECENTLY INVENTED WHEEL!!!!111
It's a never-ending cycle. It's always amusing seeing that "people" refuse to understand that all of us will be eventually replaced. It's natural for it to happen since humanity's discoveries and inventions will never stop. Changes happen. New lacks emerge. New jobs appear.
theres people already uploading ai videos and its basically visual poop. Its not even appealling in the slightest, theres no hand behind it guiding the aesthetic and point.
Even psychedelic animations in the past had some meaning behind it.
the same thing happened when they automated much of the industrial jobs half a century ago. society will adapt and new industries will arise in the aftermath just as they always have.
Will keyframe animation kill MoCap industry?
>keyframe animation
...?? that's exactly what is used to present mocap (or any other animation) data to the renderer
I mean animator animating characters without need for an actor.
that's how it worked BEFORE mocap, anon
Now imagine those voice synthesizers existed before PC microphone was a thing. Just like people started to use MoCap, people would start to use voice actors once microphones are invented, despite voice synthesizers existing.
so you just meant generated animation? sure, that should be a pretty easy thing to train if you have enough data on hand
You’re talking to a retard.
It's much easier to just say something, than fiddle with all the parameters to get computer to say something with need speed, tempo, tone, expression, etc. Maybe AI voice changers will be a popular thing, but voice acting itself is much more practical then synthesizing voices from scratch.
>much more practical
Paying VAs is the opposite of "practical".
He's saying that a voice changer for yourself would be much more convenient than a synth whose delivery you then have to tune. Basically that audio that is to be converted is a nicer input to such a system than text with a bunch of hints on how exactly to say it.
You still need to pay a person who does all the fiddling with synthesizer, which still would take longer than just making several takes in minutes.
AI could kill audiobooks. Why pay more for audiobooks when you can get text files and have your AI read it to you? And in any voice you choose.
>AI
You're aware that voice synthesizing existed decades before DNNs became popular?
to be honest, that was utter shit compared to the best AI solutions. which are utter shit compared to an actual person.
OR YOU COULD JUST FIND A GROUP OF ACCOUNTING AND ASK THEIR RATES AND PAY THEM. FUCK YOU FOR USING A COMPUTER AND A SPREADSHEET