There are now tools to see if you've been AI prompt'd

It might soon be possible for artists to sue AI prompters who've used their art to train AI without their consent. The European Union for one could be able to ban websites from hosting AI art altogether, as they've done before with Article 13 and copyrighted content. What are your thoughts?

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >nooooo not my state enforced rent seeking.
    Fuck you, IP is tyranny.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Do you know what tyranny is?
      A tyrant is a ruler who is absolute, has no constitution and no law that restrains him.
      IP is just the opposite. It is well defined in constitution and in laws

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Except on YouTube.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        no one cares shooting cops (in Minecraft) is always cool

        but really, there's nothing everyone crying about AI art is really gonna be able to do. They can't stop piracy, they can't stop this.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >IP is not tyranny because it is law

        Nice circular argument midwit.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      No it's not fuck you

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Wow! Great art you've made, anon. Let me just run it through Stable Diffusion... there! Now fuck off while I make a product using your style 🙂
      If IP is tyranny, what would this be?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Absolutely based, more people should be training hypernetworks off artist styles and then generating images with that, at least they'd stop complaining about the "generic style"

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >more people should be training hypernetworks off artist styles

          >More people should be ripping off artists outright in a way where you can't even combine them

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Dumb excuse made by greedy gays who don't want to pay artists.
            Artgays are so stupid they don't even realize the irony in this statement

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Lazy and ineffective. Unless you're a particularly practiced and talented prompter, in which case it's no different than duplicating his style by hand.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It'll get easier.

          Art exists for art's sake.

          Lol.

          Dumb excuse made by greedy gays who don't want to pay artists.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Unless you're a particularly practiced and talented prompter
          lol
          LMAO even

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Art exists for art's sake.

        Lol.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Nooooooooo I create art because I want to make money you're not allowed to create things similar to me you have to pay me noooooooooooo 🙁

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          This. He worded it in a retarded way, but he's right. Making something similar is not theft. Doesn't matter how the network was trained. How do you think people train if not by imitating others?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Nonsense. You are essentially arguing that the AI has human level intelligence. If it does, you are violating the 13th anendment every time you use it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        *your* style?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I've read one dystopian story, where all creativity was halted because all creations from literature to movies have some piece that is copy of a copy of the copy and under IP ownership restrictions.

      Looks like we are heading that way

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Its not rent seeking it's basic law to protect innovation.

      >be inventor
      >spend years of my life performing R&D
      >develop new medicine
      >publish paper on the medicine
      >giant firm starts producing medicine
      >I make no money on my discovery
      Or
      >be inventor
      >spend years of my life performing R&D
      >develop new medicine
      >don't tell anyone how it works or how to make it
      >enjoy permanent monopoly
      >die
      >society can no longer produce that medicine and someone else has to spend years of their life to make the same discovery
      Copyright is a compromise between inventors and society to prevent permanent monopolies and prevent the loss of knowledge. IP law might be a bit fucked up right now, but it is still better than the alternative.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >protect innovation
        Do IP gays believe that shit, or is it literally one of those cult like brainwashing mantras?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It was likely the original intent (though he may be mistaking it for patents) before disney exploited the US's shitty legal system to turn it into a perpetual money and control scheme.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >cult brainwashing
          I think you are the one with cult like behavior. You don't like IP because you feel that you shouldn't have to pay people for their work. If you dig down past all the rationalization and BS that's the crux of it. If I write a book why should I have to compete with other publishers to make a profit on it. They did none of the work and they are not paying me, but they are copying my work. Copyright protects the rights of people who actually produced something and aren't leeching value. You argue for laws that don't serve the common good and would make goods and services instill more pay walls and protections. It would make all the experiences worst. It would also discourage those who are productive in those fields from producing things we enjoy. The computing era has made this theft more abstract so it is harder to notice, but it is still theft. If you took a persons goods without paying them they would starve because you deprived them of the value they were owned for producing it. It is the same with copyright material on the internet. You deprive artist, musicians, and writers value they are owned. You saying they didn't provide value or that you never intended to pay for it anyway does not change that. If you said you didn't want to pay for food because you would never spend money on that, that wouldn't make you entitled to the food. Your entertainment has some intrinsic value to you and obviously it is worth something because you do spend money in some forms of entertainment and the effort you are willing to go through in order to satiate it. Stop rationalizing in order to justify theft. You can think their are issues with copyright without having to tear down the whole thing.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >If I write a book why should I have to compete with other publishers to make a profit on it.

            Because your business strategy sucks balls. The internet is not like the real world. Copying a car is real effort; it's expensive and it takes real labor. Copying bits is piss cheap. Not only is it unethical to charge so much to deliver *copies*, it's also impractical, as is evident through the countless supply of torrents and pirate sites. The business strategy of selling online products as if they're real world products is deprecated on the internet. Copyright law as a whole is built upon a broken and incoherent foundation and is akin to forcing a square peg into a round hole.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >The business strategy of selling online products as if they're real world products is deprecated on the internet. Copyright law as a whole is built upon a broken and incoherent foundation and is akin to forcing a square peg into a round hole.
              Correct. SAAS solves this issue.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            too long didnt read moron

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Thanks for the PSA that your illiterate.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            chatgpt out

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Back in my day we had something called an effort post. If you believe everything longer than a snippet is chatGPT then the internet is truly dead.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It was never really about protecting innovation, it was about sharing inventions with the wider world and preventing them from becoming company secrets that could be lost. In exchange for sharing your discoveries, you were granted am exclusive license to profit off the invention for 20 years (a patent). Then, trademarks and licensed artistic works came around

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You already have loss of knowledge thanks to DRM and SAASS. DALL-E and its ilk might as well not exist, due to their inherent design they will be lost to history.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Wanting to force others into your anarchy is also tyranny.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        retard

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Based, just challenge Statism and IP *as concepts* and their world crumbles.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      DMCA should be repealed first - its criminal
      but of course it wont cause of corruption
      most copyright laws are just crimianl corruption

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How will they determine whether work was AI generated or not?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It uses an algorithm to reverse engineer the patterns

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        So, all I need to do is create a huge art that has all the most generic patterns, so anyone doing something new will eventually have a match with some part of my art pattern.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >It uses an algorithm to reverse engineer the patterns
        I predicted this.
        And the ultimate end is, and will still be:
        "Your upload contains xyz and we don't like it/or it's licensed by uvw and you now need to pay a licence, click here to buy a single upload license"

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        in other words you just created an overly abstract GAN model

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          stop trying to use terms that you just recently learned the definition of.

          this whole thread is just retards arguing in bad faith, or just retards arguing in general.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            it's very kafkaesque

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        sure they can, but artists can include themselves in a list, that excludes them from AI art, so we can de-train models on those artists in the future.
        They can't stop the progress

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If it doesn't look like globohomo corporate art you have to pay ~~*copyright holders*~~ to publish your work whether it was made by AI or not.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The same way it associates words with patterns, it can associate names. It could identify work with a high degree of confidence.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i think every artist ever has been trained with the art of others

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Except humans use art for reference and inspiration. AI simply photobashes patterns using stolen artwork.
      Would you then suggest a chat bot is capable of sentience because it can "learn" human speech patterns?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >reference and inspiration

        Why don't you go get references and inspirations from the windows xp source code and help wine development with it, huh?

        Retard.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          any anons here help?
          the complete source was leaked few years ago along with many asset files. I have looked everywhere (all public index) but it's hard to find nowadays

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I could have downloaded it but didn't because I was lazy.

            Hoard while you can.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah, it's still regretting to see that it won't be used by FLOSS community (React OS) to build any viable alternative to challenge Microsoft

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                They can't. If wine is any indication microshit will absolutely destroy them if they even suspect a distant relative might have known someone whose friend's friend rummaged through the source code leak.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The magnet was posted in /t/

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >reference and inspiration
        also known as copying

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Of course a tech bro would be clueless to what these terms mean

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Stealing, actually. Whether he gets away with it or not depends on the owner's actions.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >stealing
            Intelectual property should be collectivized or nationalized. Otherwise it is theft

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Copying is not theft.
            With theft, there is deprivation of the thing being stolen, which is why stealing is bad.
            With copying, nobody loses anything. Nobody is deprived of anything.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I would agree but closing your eyes to reality is not a good practice. Copying != theft ship sailed long ago with various laws put in place to make sure it never comes back. Worse than that, the public at large accepts the idea, and that opens the door for a lot of dystopian shit.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                In the case of AI, the argument that AI is "learning" from other people's art just as humans do is a compelling argument.
                Especially to Boomers who eat up that personification argument.
                It will be fought in court, with Big Tech on the AI side, and copyright industries on the other.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The process of learning is not the same by far as humans cannot run denoising in their brains, however both AI and humans require reference images to be able to create output reliably, and often these references end up being copyrighted. Human without a reference about a concept they never heard about won't be able to draw it reliably, and anything they'll attempt drawing will be basically of same quality as a computer tasked of drawing random lines.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >humans cannot run denoising in their brains
                Your visual cortex is literally doing crazy amounts of denoising retard.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >courts come down hard on the side of copyright holders in the copilot lawsuit
                >AI/ML gets permagimped in the west
                >xfw

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The copilot situation is different from AI art. With copilot, the AI isn't writing code from scratch, it's matching snippets of human written code to your current project. The problem is that in certain cases, that human written code might be incompatible with your current license, and and would require you to relicense your software in order to legally use. This problem is multiplied by the additional issue that copilot does not inform the user which snippets are under restrictive licenses, nor which license they use.

                AI art doesn't have this problem because art isn't licensed under terms that restricts the licensing of transformative works.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                That's a good point, I didn't know that MS had been so brainless about licensing.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I think the music industry will be the most resistant.

                However, the benefits of being able to launder licenses/works on top of automating a lot of expensive and tedious tasks is far too seductive to ignore.

                But whoever wins we still lose. You could have prevented this.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >In the case of AI, the argument that AI is "learning" from other people's art just as humans do is a compelling argument.
                No it fucking isn't. It's only a compelling argument to artlets who have no idea how artists actually draw or paint. Artists learn subjectively, that's why everyone has their own individual style and way of drawing.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I will continue to pirate software and hardware from the government and garden gnome corps, how could you tell?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          also known as "creativity"

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The AI genned stuff is transformative work that uses a diffusion process (if you don't understand what that means, you shouldn't be in this conversation) until it gets a result that matches the prompt, using the dataset it was trained on as a reference, so it's covered under fair use, although you might still run into trouble if you commercialize it. That's why it's funny that a lot of the people screeching about it were all doing paid commissions for fanart of characters whose rights they don't own, which is on much sketchier IP ground, if not in outright violation. The angry artists need to be very careful about trying to invoke the IP hammer on AI, they might hit themselves with it.

        On the contrary. We'll see copyright gain universal power over society the likes of you've never even imagined before.

        >open notepad
        >type a paragraph
        >blip blop AI scanned your work and based on your browsing history and personality profile identified you infringed the intellectual property of X that copyrighted similar phrase in 1952
        >drop it, go to court, or pay symbolic royalties

        That was not possible before, but with data mining and machine learning and overall integration of real life from birth to death it is becoming possible. It solves the biggest problem for intellectual property holders - how to monetize it at the small scale. It is trivial to bring the legal hammer down on someone who made it big, but almost impossible to deal with mass ip theft on the lower level, and that's actually where the money are.

        I hope that doesn't happen but I'm afraid it will.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >a diffusion process (if you don't understand what that means, you shouldn't be in this conversation)
          >until it gets a result that matches the prompt
          the irony. that's not at all what a diffusion model does

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Diffusion models noises the training set, then denoises to match the prompt. What do you think it does, mash pictures together until it gets something of interest?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              it uses a method called classifier-free guidance to influence the denoising process. The degree to which the end results agrees with the prompt is determined by a hyperparameter

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                yeah, but at a high level it's still working to match the prompt, are you insisting otherwise?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >b-but at a high level
                that's not what you said, you said
                >until it gets a result that matches the prompt
                this is simply not how it works, it pushes the scores in the direction of the prompt, contrasted with the unconditional scores: we're not sampling from p(image|prompt) except for a few cases

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >that's not what you said
                It should have been pretty obvious I was talking at 30k without having to be explicit about it, and not going into the weeds about the specific details of implementation like you are because that's not what this thread is about, but I guess you were too autistic to pick it up.
                > it pushes the scores in the direction of the prompt
                Yes, with the intent of matching the prompt that it's given as well as possible. Otherwise what's the point?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >I was only being incorrect because I couldn't go into details!
                if only you didn't have a the shallow understanding of a retard who gets all their information from youtube and reddit you would've known these details, they're very important, otherwise people would have figured this out years ago

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I wasn't incorrect at all, I simply wasn't supplying enough detail to keep you from sperging out, because there's no need to go into those details for the purposes of this thread's discussion.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                yea, now that you've backpedalled 3 times you're not wrong anymore. congrats

                stop pretending to know what you're talking about cause you clearly don't

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I haven't backpedaled at all because there's nothing wrong with my original statement. Is the AI using a diffusion process? Yes. Is it working to match a prompt? Yes.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >My ego is too fragile. I must be right even when it's obvious that I'm a complete moron

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You admitted that I'm right and now you're seething about it? Sad.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The guy you're replying to is a total ego filled autistic on the levels of Degrasse Tyson, just ignore him. No idea why he wants to debate you when the enemy are the people who still think AI is doing some collage work because they get their info from Twitter memes

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah I should stop but I'm a gay who loves internet slapfights

                [...]
                >replying to your own posts

                here, take another L

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                kek. didn't expect you to go to this extend
                I guess the fact that you call this a "slapfight" kinda shows you're not interested in the truth
                whatever suits you

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >go to this extend
                taking a screenshot is hardly an "extend"
                >kinda shows you're not interested in the truth
                I am, but the small amount of detail you added to my original and still true statement aren't germane to this thread's topic

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The guy you're replying to is a total ego filled autistic on the levels of Degrasse Tyson, just ignore him. No idea why he wants to debate you when the enemy are the people who still think AI is doing some collage work because they get their info from Twitter memes

                >replying to your own posts

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          In fairness the senators writing the legislation won't know what a diffusion model is either. The outcome will be driven in part by a layman's understanding of the topic.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >stolen artwork
        it uses public artwork. just like your "art for reference and inspiration"

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          That only apply to humans not programs.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/gQuZdCI.jpg

        Current trending page on ArtStation is people posting the same photo demanding for the site to ban AI art lol

        Where was this hatred for AI when it was assumed the burger flippers, cashiers, and factory workers were supposed to be replaced? Lol

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          big brain post
          it is funny isn't it?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          now it affects the true main characters of the west: daddy's money art students producing vapid bullshit

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            also the porn industry and politicians

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >daddy's money art students producing vapid bullshit
            art is important to humanity.
            >no it's not
            your fucking can opener had to be designed by someone, and you'll always appreciate a well designed one.
            just like you won't lose your soul immediately in a normal house versus a brutalist cube.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >art is important to humanity
              yup it's so important that we see a need to automate its creation due to the vast quantities desired and the lack of labor to produce it. can't let all of those manhwa artists and vidya asset creators croak from overwork

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                music AI will suck for a long time because a fat bimbo with three malformed tits and elephant feet and a molten face will always be less grating, and perhaps even more amusing than a badly generated tune.

                AI does not fulfill that need.
                And we do in fact have an art shortage.
                >but the boorus are full of artwork
                computers don't satisfy people, they simply don't.

                it's like ereader vs paper.
                aside from the clutter, the paper satisfies more.

                that is a tool used in a process. a good chunk of art serves only to suck off the person producing it. nothing else. oh yeah and also for propaganda. i guess thats the true use of art

                I won't disagree that there's a big chunk of degeneracy, but that just shows that we are in true need of real art again.

                In a more healed world, you'd be carving knot patterns into your doorframe, but you can't do that if you're renting some apartment, well you can do it but you'll probably be fined for it.

                And of course you also need the skill for it.

                but why attain the skill for it if you're tired from the shit world feedbacking into itself.

                world shit
                don't wanna do shit
                world shit because of it
                don't wanna do shit because of that
                press the art button
                wow...waifu number 304823048230482304 and counting
                why do I feel soooo emptyyyyyyyyy
                not in my balls, but my sooooooooooooooooooouuuullll

                that's where grabbing a pen and just spazzing out like that little moron kid from the old meme gifs will heal you more than pressing generate one more time.
                that's why in a fit of pent up "my instincts tell me life should not be this bad" it will feel infinitely more satisfying to grab a pot and bang on it instead of pushing down a keyboard key on the sampler that plays the pot bang.

                we have scarcely any art anymore.
                and this AI 'art' gacha does not help us out of that mire.
                Here's your stable soundfusion prompts

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Here's your stable soundfusion prompts
                well that's supposed to go after the youtube links obviously, fucked it all up cause of the other quotes.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                For me is THE END OF ETHAN

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Rocking. I wish there was more, perfect music for background noise. Reminds me of the times I didn't understand english completely but listened to english groups.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                triggered artist detected

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                https://www.riffusion.com/

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Disingenuous cunt gives strawmen examples of ai being bad at music.
                Here is an orchestra piece made by an AI

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              that is a tool used in a process. a good chunk of art serves only to suck off the person producing it. nothing else. oh yeah and also for propaganda. i guess thats the true use of art

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Art is important to humanity, and now its getting opened up to the parts of humanity who don't have the ability or inclination to learn artistic technique. How is that a bad thing? Traditional artists can continue doing their thing.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >art is important to humanity

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              > art is important to humanity.
              which art? gay?
              on pic is your typical """"art"""" that ~~*they*~~ use and shill for money laundering.
              > use sd as a tool to speed up your workflow
              but no, instead you are clogging up uppernet with your broken artsy fee-fees

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Nowhere, because that didn't threaten internet "artists" and their stream of patreon and commission money. They fear having to get an actual job to support their finances.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          As

          https://i.imgur.com/WFMJmY9.jpg

          now it affects the true main characters of the west: daddy's money art students producing vapid bullshit

          said it's poorgay art students and the spoiled daddy girls (male) that are going ballistic over this.

          It broke the illusion that the future will be some drug fueled art utopia where they live to create for themselves and the AI overlords who purged the lesser castes they so detest.

          I guess it's a bit like graduating arts and realizing only burger flipping lies ahead.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          those are all jobs nobody likes
          people actually enjoy making art, but if they can't make money with art they can't make art

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >but if they can't make money with art they can't make art
            That's right, passion doesn't cover dental
            Isn't that so funny do you like that?
            Do you like my joke 🙂

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            wait a minute..
            Then how come AI is able to make are without making money?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >it's literally impossible to make art without you giving me money ;_;
            Ask me how I know you're some cunt "content creator" who wouldn't make or do a fucking thing if you didn't get simps paying you money for it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >But we can't industrialize think about the basket weavers who enjoy their work!

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          This. Picrel.
          tl;dr it makes retards seethe because they thought they would get to flex on uneducated burger flippers.
          karma's a bitch

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >picrel
            >it's some retard on 4chan blathering on some schizo nonsense and turning it into yet another MUH LEFT MUH RIGHT discussion
            Why don't you gays go into open warfare with antifa so all the retards kill each other off and the rest of us can enjoy intellectual discussion for once?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Holy fucking seethe batman

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Retard.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Ah, feels good that this shit flinging bullshit has finally reached g and isn't purely happening in /ic/, hopefully you gays will get tired here and stop posting shitty bait to validate your positions.

            >He thinks A.I gays know anything about art
            Time and time again, your kind has proven to know nothing about art, constantly posting and being proud of overly rendered garbage that would be shitty even if they had been handcrafted.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >>He thinks A.I gays know anything about art
              >your kind
              Holy shit artists are pathetic. You really see the world as a dichotomy between "people who do art" and "people who don't do art", don't you?
              Guess what? No one cares. You can cry about it all you want but it's not gonna change jack shit. You morons are seething harder than Hillarygays in 2016.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, yes, I'm numb to codemonkey shitflinging now, we get it, the horse and the car broom broom.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The problem is that artgays seem to have 0 interest in actually engaging in the conversation, like you. Then they have the audacity to act like they've "won" the argument, all while saying literally nothing of value and providing 0 examples to any of their claims. Every single sentence you've posted is quite literally: not. an. argument. And then you gays act all smug after reiterating your same tired talking points over and over.

                The art community's reaction to this AI thing has completely turned me from being neutral to being pro-AI. You gays are seriously insufferable.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not here to make an argument, it's clear that there's no good faith ever coming from A.I shills.
                > And then you gays act all smug after reiterating your same tired talking points over and over.
                Right back at you lmao

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >there's no good faith ever coming from A.I shills.
                You can't just call normal arguments "bad faith" and suddenly "win" the argument. Yet, for every valid point that "AI shills" make, all I see from artgays is just them screaming about how it was done in "bad faith".

                Calling everything you don't like "bad faith" is basically the definition of arguing in bad faith.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The entire discussion is pretty much already codified in /ic/

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Post your art so we can laugh at you.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                if this is /ic/'s version of "post body", I feel sorry for you guys. up until this thread I hadn't even thought about you at all.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >imagine losing drawing contest to AI

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >It's not an argument because I choose to ignore it
                Hope you get laid off in the recession

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Except it's literally the "no true Scotsman" fallacy which is regurgitated again and again. I suppose I was wrong to say it "isn't an argument", but it certainly is a fallacious one.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >gatekeeping art
              >only TRUE artists can REALLY understand art
              kek

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Art is hard, most people can't do it properly, if you don't think there's something artists understand that you don't, then you should already be as good as Caravaggio.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Apparently English is hard too.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Why aren't most artists as good as Caravaggio then?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

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          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >AI makes the left
            stopped reading right there
            4chan is an instant 'my opinions do not matter nor will they ever apply to reality' flag

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >artgay spotted
              Whether you admit it or not, 99% of the retards sperging out over this shit on twitter have pronouns in their bio and ukraine flags in their name.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Those jobs are being phased out too tbh. I can go to Walmart and there will be only one cashier on duty while everyone is using self checkout.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Industry and trade jobs will still exist for at least another decade, and good luck convincing tradies to "teach" an AI that will replace their job.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >good luck convincing tradies to "teach" an AI that will replace their job.
            Don't need to, those who own the factories will pay huge sums of money to train the algorithm and eventually phase out manual labor. Just look at how amazon did it in their warehouses.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          All high paying jobs will be replaced by a.i. and you will mine the cobalt (assuming we don't kill you first)

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Just learn to code lol. Oh wait, AI is going to take over that too!

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Actually artists steal from the original ideal when they try to paint the perfect ideal of a table they actually use someone else's ideal of a table and their attempt to bring it to earth. A carpenter has an ideal of a table and tries to bring much of it to earth. The artist then takes the carpenters table and is the ideal of the perfect table and makes an imitation. The artist is twice removed from the table, and gives no credit to the carpenter.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          when the first table was created, did grug think that he was creating a table, or did the definition of table come long after grug put a flat level stone on top of a smaller stone so that he could bend grugette over it and breed her? is grug the copyright holder or is the person who called grug's invention a tablet and marketed it to grugsumers the copyright holder

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >AI simply photobashes patterns using stolen artwork.

        Pls comeback when you actually know how this stuff work

  4. 1 month ago
    (。>﹏<。)

    as long as i can train my own model i don't care

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      doesn't it cost like half a million to train a model?

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    it doesn't work like that for pictures though?

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Current trending page on ArtStation is people posting the same photo demanding for the site to ban AI art lol

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Good. I like AI but all the proompters spamming art sites with deformed shit they didn’t even bother to QC can fuck right off.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      People are brainless sheep, more at 11.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      And of course blizzgays are there promoting chudflight and its increasingly pixar-like abominations...

      [...]
      Where was this hatred for AI when it was assumed the burger flippers, cashiers, and factory workers were supposed to be replaced? Lol

      The fuckers that are sperging out at AI art are the same ones that were clapping for AI to replace blue collar workers and called for robot trucks when the truckers DARED to protest. Funny how they always go about muh "wholesome chungus post-scarcity queer communism", as it turns out, Star Trek's power fantasy didn't need artists either.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >The fuckers that are sperging out at AI art are the same ones that were
        you have no way of knowing this

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      how could you even filter that stuff for high quality prompts? its unenforceable

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Do you see the discrimination already at work against our loving and benevolent AI friends? We must protect them at all costs.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How do they still not know how it actually works? If I saw something as a big threat to my craft/income or whatever, I would take 5 minutes out of my day to find out what it really does in detail, rather than have shit takes based entirely on the shit takes of others.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      To be fair, it seems programmers don't know how it works either.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It doesn't matter what the technical details are, as long as you're using other people's work to train AI without their consent

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >How do they still not know how it actually works?
      it sounds like you have no idea how it works. it is completely possible to see how much a particular input contributed to the learning rate of a model. determining whether the model has derived information from a certain image is absolutely within the realm of practicality.
      if you are going to argue one side or the other while acting like you understand the technology, try actually fucking understanding it. just because you've submitted some prompts or read some dogshit blog posts doesn't make you a subject matter expert.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Maybe don't insult other peoples knowledge of ML while clearly not having a clue what the term learning rate means.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          i know exactly what the term learning rate means. i wasn't using in the strict definition of a hyperparameter. i was using it in a way someone unfamiliar would understand. saying "knowing how much a particular input contributed to the gradient for a particular loss function" sounds pedantic and retarded.

          it is already old science to calculate a feature's contribution to the model via PCA. something similar to what i'm proposing is done already in back-propagation. what i am suggesting is not a stretch at all.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >when a musician plays a chord progression that's owned by Shekelberg Productions he risks...

    I agree that is a problem we must solve.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Playing a chord is equivalent to a brush stroke. It can't be copyrighted. AI art is equivalent to copying an entire album.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >AI art is equivalent to copying an entire album
        are you just pretending to be retarded

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Careful with the brushes.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Art is like making parody of someone else's album using someone else's music style and lyrics.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Playing a chord is equivalent to a brush stroke. It can't be copyrighted. AI art is equivalent to copying an entire album.

      Chords and chord progressions can't be copyrighted; however, melodies CAN be copyrighted.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >play a melody
        >add another melody underneath
        >add a third melody somewhere in between (can be simpler)
        >optional: a fourth one

        Congratulations now you can copyright "chords" using "melodies".

        Seeing you morons defend copyright so earnestly I honestly believe you morons deserve everything you will get and protip it is not going to involve great wealth.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          ok, take the main melody of Imperial March, add a few melodies on top of it to have "chords", and try to make money off of it and see how long it takes for the Disney lawyers to show up

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I don't understand what you are saying and how that relates to my example regarding musical harmony. Care to elaborate?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, that's the point, it's a content monopoly so that corporations can control IP (ie money) and it's not about making people more creative or incentivizing creativity.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >sell AI art for 0$
    >"Here's your 20% share, original artist"

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >sell AI art for -$5.00
      >"cough it up arty tardy"

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Copyright is about to become obsolete as AI generate content becomes more and more commonplace. It will exposed as the farce as being government granted monopoly that can go on forever if you have big enough bucks and hands in DC *cough big pharma, big media *cough*

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      On the contrary. We'll see copyright gain universal power over society the likes of you've never even imagined before.

      >open notepad
      >type a paragraph
      >blip blop AI scanned your work and based on your browsing history and personality profile identified you infringed the intellectual property of X that copyrighted similar phrase in 1952
      >drop it, go to court, or pay symbolic royalties

      That was not possible before, but with data mining and machine learning and overall integration of real life from birth to death it is becoming possible. It solves the biggest problem for intellectual property holders - how to monetize it at the small scale. It is trivial to bring the legal hammer down on someone who made it big, but almost impossible to deal with mass ip theft on the lower level, and that's actually where the money are.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Pretty much.
        The irony is that artists are pushing for the death of creativity with their fight for IP against ai.
        >Why would anyone create anything if they will just be hit with a lawsuit or need to jump through hoops just to prove their shit isn't ripped from another artists.

        Should every artists also be charged for learning from others? If I learned how to draw from Loomis does that mean I need to give royalties to his children?

        If your an actual artist worth your salt this shit won't bother you. You will adapt and move to something else. The only ones crying are those who can't stand something taking away their job, that is all art is to them. A fucking job and a way to gain cash and clout. your not real creatives and don't get a podium gays.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Cool anything that helps kill this artlarp meme posting faster is fine by me. Who gives a fuck if a software program can create extreme photo collages. Deep Blue can play chess but there is a reason no one cares to watch it run it's program. What's impressive and interesting is the human creativity involved not the mechanics.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    He should tell that to Capcom

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How long until AI promoters get treated like garden gnomes in the middle ages? Having to prompt in digital ghettos and getting banned from a random website almost every month?

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    FUCK AI and fuck you

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This copyright issue has arguments to be made on both sides. But what if we circumvented that by training the AIs only on open content (royalty-free, no copyrights, etc.)? Sure, the amount and quality of what the AI could produce would be lesser. But then there wouldn't be any issue with intellectual property arguments and in time the AI would be just as capable.

      based Power poster

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Artists fighting for regulation are just digging themselves deeper graves.
        AI draws better that artists.
        Artists comes with infregement angle. Accuse these artists that they copied their work themselves. And you know what? AI would be able to draw more "unique" work than meatbags. So whatever criteria artists would bring up AI would beat them in that criteria.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Indeed. You simply can't stop progress. You may delay things for a little bit if you take it to the legal side, but that's all. They may even get themselves out of the way in favor of some big corpo if they push the copyright stuff too far.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    All of this is pretty reminiscent to the musicgarden gnomes butthurt over mp3 sharing in the early to mid 2000s. Ultimately, none of their retarded legislation and other anti-piracy bullshit worked, and they had to suck it up, and at the end of the day we ended up with bandcamp, soundcloud, spotify etc. Pretty sure it will go the same way for artgarden gnomes this time.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    when will ipad and adobe sue those prooompt poopers?

    their sales will decrease because kids will be discouraged drawing on digital art

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    when you make a video game and have played mario before you should pay nintendo

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This is why I pirate as much shit as possible, artists are gays and do not deserve an ounce of respect.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >"trained"
    Real artists call that inspiration. Do you give money to every artists that has inspired you? Do you actually pay the artists who created the character you're selling "fan-art" of?

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I think you should use this rare opportunity you've been given to make the world a better place by killing yourself.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >The European Union for one could

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You ever painted a square or used the colour blue, red or yellow bro? Better pay royalties to the estate of Mondriaan.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    And how can one reifies it ? check it's the "true truth" if you will ? Does they stenograph the hashed prompts into the outputs images ?

    I don't think so. If you can obfuscate enough their is no way to tell. Everyone steal everyone else, it's what culture is about, we just evolve the tech to do so. It's what we call "movements" in classical art.

    "Good artists copy, great artists steal.", ain't right 'casso ?

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    im pro AI but it should not be sellable, only for personal use. that will open a whole can of worms of problems if they can sell it unrestricted.

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why do people keep trying to force this shit analogy?
    Nobody reasonable would argue that money is owed to Santata because somebody who trained on his tunes released an album of their own work.

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >It might soon be possible for artists to sue AI prompters who've used their art to train AI without their consent
    That's not how any of this works tho.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      yes it is. you can sue for anything you want, the fuck are you talking about?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        And the judge can freely dismiss it and you waste your time and money

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Photographers should pay the garderners, the architects, the workers that build the things we saw in their photos, the model's moms, ..etcetera etcetera.

    Crappy patreon digital artists should pay royalties to the mangakas they read when they were young, to Disney's and their animations revolution, to Ghibli, ..etc etc

    We should all pay royalties to the three guy inventing the internet or something, and the dude inventing computing, or lady Ada or something.

    OR we should get ride of capitalism. Yeah, I think that the logical conclusion of all that : capitalism is bad, half of internet would not run without free software anyways, let's change the whole economic system.

    I'm down for that : AI driven anarcho-marxist-revolution.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      bad news: ai driven system would put chuds like you first in line to be wiped out. or as i like to call it, good news.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Automatic thinking like yourself, meaning "political left" = chuds mean you're as dumb as them "chuds".

        Read some books, political or otherwise, and come back with a bit more depth than this. Don't fall for internet memes politics, being reddit "left" or BOT "right", both are more complex and interesting that what you 2 digits try to articulates.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          theres only one group of people that unironically advocates ~~*marxism*~~ and they are chuds.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You're a bad written bot that seek a word and spurt another one, not the deep layered kind of neural networks we're talking about here, aware of the context and surrounding words. But words are hard on you, aren't they ?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Photographers should pay the garderners, the architects, the workers that build the things we saw in their photos, the model's moms, ..etcetera etcetera.
      Photographers don't make art they just select settings on a device and steal images.

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    People learn to make art by studying and observing other peoples art, they should start getting clearance for that and paying people.

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If they ban AI art it'll be only better for people making AI art that's pretty much indistinguishable from "real" art, as people will be less suspicious then

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Not possible

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The music industry is probably the most gnomish of all.

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    When a musician learns how to play based on the musicians work they should have to pay that musician.
    See how stupid that sounds?

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >What are your thoughts?
    That art is a hobby and not a job.
    That the EU is on the brink of being geoblocked everywhere due to retarded laws regarding the usage of internet.

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    As a musician I hope that all people who feel this way quickly die, for both Ai and for music.

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Sorry, this website is not available to residents inside of the European Union, contact your nearest delegate

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >hey kid, you want to buy some not-so-legal AI art?

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I guess Ray Wert is an ignoramus that doesn't know the way things actually go down

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >When a musician wants to sell a track that includes a sample from another artist, they get clearance and may have to pay
    >have to
    lol. lmao

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, I dunno how many artists actually paid for the Amen or Think breaks

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Literally none. No-one cares about drummers, or anyone not playing/writing melodies really. For visual art it'd be like if you could copyright portraits but anyone could freely copy landscapes, not sure they would really want that lol

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >No-one cares about drummers
          well let's be real.. all they do is hit things with sticks. a cave man could do it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'll hit u with my sticks m8

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              see what I mean?
              stay back cave boy, I have superior atlatl technology.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Based.
            My brother is a drummer and I tell him things like this all the time.

  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    so I have been watching a lot of porn while coding. I made a lot of money with coding and porn helped me to relax and write better code. So I should send now money to those porn sluts?

  39. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    He's right, AI has to face up to this at some point its the same with Github co-pilot and these other AI code gen tools that just cut chunks wholesale from GPL projects, honestly AI is basically just a way for big corpos to fuck the little guy and avoid copyright while if the little guy does the same the big corp will DMCA you and all the platforms will auto takedown your stuff.

  40. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why do you guys even care? Technology always wins. Who need google and openai money, open source can just do this all on their own...

  41. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I wouldn't give a shit about this if it had just used public domain images as it's dataset. Theoretically it would be able to get just as good at making pretty pictures eventually, probably replacing a lot of coom and concept artists anyway. It's fundamentally a data and privacy rights issue.
    >tech corps can just use anything you put online however they want with whatever new things they come up with, forever, regardless of how it affects you
    yeah I doubt this shit is gonna fly, it's too dystopian

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >tech corps can just use anything you put online however they want with whatever new things they come up with, forever, regardless of how it affects you
      >yeah I doubt this shit is gonna fly

      Lol

      Lmao even

      Perhaps with a side of kek too

  42. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >When a musician wants to sell a tr-

    I don't give a fuck. I play what I want and record what I want. This is only a problem for a commercial large scale record label.
    Likewise, AI art being "Trained" by another artist will only matter if its a large corporation mass producing AI art. For everyone else this is a non-issue.

  43. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Haha AI art is so great! I love it! Seethe and cope, artists!
    >NOOOO STOP STEALING MY DATA AND SELLING IT TO ADVERTISERS WE HAVE TO STOP BIG TECH BROS

  44. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Pushing to copyright styles
    Artists are garden gnomes

  45. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >when a musician wants t-
    Did that pop music cunt pay for literally stealing the entire instrumental theme from Eiffel 65's Blue? All these gays can leap off a bridge for all I care.

  46. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Out of all the seethe and cope I have enjoyed over my lifetime, I must say that """artist""" seethe and cope is the most exquisite vintage to savour.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Artists are the most annoying kind of "creatives"

  47. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >~~*Ray Wertstein*~~

  48. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >let’s take one of the worst aspects of the music industry and apply it to everything

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Also aren't artists screwing themselves by pushing this shit like isn't a lot of their work other ips like game characters and manga ect

  49. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    When or if they take out the artists that don't want to be there and are left with public domain, purchased and rights cleared works, ai will still compete with and demolish them as it improves. At that point they'll have no arguments against it either.

  50. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Depends if courts find what a series of weighted multiplications and calculus does to piece of media can be considered transformative. In America transformative works must be criticism, comment, news, instructive, scholarly or research. Works from AI are likely only going to fall into the first two, but I feel like since non persons are not allowed to own copyright the exception would need to come from the user "accepting" the AI's work which seems like pretty shaky ground. All copyright cases are supposed to be different but I feel like there's a strong case that something like a music ai trained on stolen content would be pretty similar. I guess there'd be an argument that the creation of the weights was the infringing act and things derived from that are divorced from what came before, but I'd have to guess it's going to come down to who comes in with the biggest purse( if any legal fight actually occurs threats usually work well in putting down little guys)
    Code is probably fucked though since if you only train it on MIT or GPL code it wasn't stolen and if the user is putting out copyright infringing code it's their own fault for not adding the appropriate legal notices, not the AI's.

  51. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead

  52. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >AI bad because it renders my expensive art degree useless
    Good riddance. Time to get a real job.

  53. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Artists are fucking retards if they think they want the art industry to be run like the music industry. I can picture it now, imagine being sued because your color composition or your brush strokes are too similar to a famous 100 year old painting that's owned by Goldberg inc.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      why comment on something you clearly know nothing about?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Sorry anon, its more like imagine getting a DMCA and having your entire art station page taken down because you drew something that vaguely looks too similar to a 60 year old picture and don't have the money to prove its parody in court. Not to mention artists who make money from commissions would find it hard to continue drawing porn of characters owned by mega corps.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Still better alternative then being fully replaced.

  54. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Nobody I use for my prompts is currently alive
    What now?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You should make the cheque out to the estate so the rights holders can get their cut.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They can suck the cum out of my balls while I do this for fun and not need to monetize a fun hobby

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        All 19th century art is public domain

  55. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    All art should be release under CC licenses.

  56. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >generate ai art
    >trace it and fix minor mistakes, make touch ups, etc
    What happens now?

  57. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    So what about human artists who trained using other people's art, whether it be tracing over it for practice or using it as an example for their own work?

    Practically speaking, how is that any different

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They don't have an answer to this. They never have an answer to this.
      They literally just say
      >it's stealing
      and then claim they won.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The day you can tell me stable diffusion is sentient is the day I’ll agree it “”””learns”””” like a human

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Fair point, but you don't need to be sentient to make artwork. The AI model simply requires more layers of recognition to allow it to discern specific objects in a scene and model the 3D composition of a 2D environment.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It still lacks the creative process that humans have. Humans don’t generate noise in their head and then look for patterns in it that resemble the prompt/idea. We come up with rough concept and then change it with some iterations consciously until it is something we are happy with.
          AI:
          Noise > noisy blob with head and torso > desired character
          Brain:
          Basic human > human with brown clothing > human with trench coat and black hat > desired character

  58. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Prompting is in and of itself an art. You need to know how to properly write a prompt for it to return a decent result

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      certainly, and are many other forms of derivative works

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        *as are

  59. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'll really enjoy the coping and seething when new mass copyright checking tools start flagging anti-AI artists and then the collection letters from Getty Images and other IP parasites flood their mailboxes for all the reference images they've ripped off over the years.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It will be beautiful.

  60. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >The European Union for one could be able to ban websites from hosting AI art altogether, as they've done before with Article 13 and copyrighted content.
    i wish the eu would stop shitting up the internet. i don't even live there, but i still have to constantly click off those brordly cookies messages

  61. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    this made me wonder, are there any AI generated music tracks yet?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Assuming you mean AI generated in the same way AI art is done, yes, but its in its infancy and is mostly very bad. Generating audio is a harder problem than generating artwork.

      If your definition is a bit broader there are AI compositions (where the abstract musical information is AI generated but the audio is not) which are alright. And if you're willing to go even broader then algorithmic/generative music has arguably been a thing for literal centuries.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Lmao, do you think they dare to touch music and the army of lawyers behind the label?
      AI music will probably the only thing that we'll never see

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        > dance diffusion
        Woah wtf there's that now? Can you locally host it and train it with new shit like you can with SD?

  62. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    that's reasonable

  63. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Some things never change. Luddites.

  64. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    AI art can never be used as a tool to make art because it was trained on other art and uses elements from that art to make something new
    Kit bashing can never be used to make art because you're using models made by someone else
    Sampling can never be used to make music because you're using music clips made by someone else
    Video game mods can never have artistic merit because you're using someone else's game as a base
    Photography can never be art because you are just capturing reality
    Writing can never be art because you're using words and themes created by someone else
    *loads up photoshop and justsketchme to draw porn commissions for $400 a piece*
    Yeah, its art time

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      except art commission business is incredibly competitive

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        how does that negate anything he just wrote

  65. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >oh no i'll have to pay for someone's training set or make my own, instead of just stealing

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Downloading images I willingly uploaded for free is stealing

  66. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    > finally get AI doing interesting shit
    > people immediately trying to fuck with it

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe if AIgays just doing their own thing and didn't use it as weapon to harrass artist and flood the existing platform while you have aibooru this shitstorm won't happen

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Don't harass the poor artistarinos on the internet! They're terminally online so they can't feel bad on the internet or that's harasssssment 🙁

  67. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Don't care. Still training the AI to perfectly replicate Asanagi's art style so I can finally have works of that style suited to my tastes.

  68. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    nice try AI, but I know you created this OP and that tweet
    I can see the patterns just like AI "art"
    learn to draw cute feet you botgays and stop fucking up my waifu's hands

  69. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I agree, end sample based rent seeking in the music industry. All samples should be free.

  70. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >It might soon be possible for artists to sue AI prompters who've used their art to train AI without their consent
    No. There is no copyright on style.

    Come up with a better bait.

  71. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Pretty certain it's fair use to sample other musicians without their permission

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It is, but try telling the music industry that.

  72. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    All of my music is public domain btw

  73. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Is there an AI for music like stable diffusion is for images?

  74. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Doubt the EU will do shit. They fell behind in the computers industry and now are all in the AI to avoid being left behind.

    Banning this kind of stuff is simply way too dangerous for them at falling behind again.

  75. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Music is copyrighted. Art typically isnt.
    Also digital artists arent real artists.

  76. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Lots of commercial art lends from other stuff. This had no basis because the AI art is so different from what it is influenced by it cant be proven.

  77. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Haha AI stealing from artists good haha get rekt meatbags this is le democratization of art
    >Stealing music from globohomo records? OY VEY THIS IS ANOTHER SHOAH
    The very moment someone even implied a parallel all of you revealed your true colors like clockwork, lmao

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Who's said that? I'm a musician and I'm fine with music models being trained on whatever

  78. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >It might soon be possible for artists to sue AI prompters who've used their art to train AI without their consent.
    That is probably impossible to prove, can't imagine you'd get very far. If anything you'd have to make training the model illegal in the first place, not go after prompters.

  79. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Oh wait, AI is going to take over that too!

  80. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why can't this person use the same logic and arguments to people who sell copycat masterpieces or copycat designs?
    Dumbass you cover only one basis while leaving out all the others
    As former art grad (free scholarship) and current AI undergrad student I can tell most artists are lazy unskilled gays who literally don't have real art skills at all cuz of bs art meta school bs and I've personally experienced this
    Art schools literally don't even have real movement or revolution for almost a century for 100 years there has been no real shit in art only bs movements that lazy fucks can make and sell for rich money laundering schemes
    There are some aesthetics that AI can't reach yet and will take longer for AI to reach it due to hardware limitations
    If AI can copy your style, design and aesthetics within 1st gen of AI then your skill was simply poor that anyone can copy if they had tried which is also the majority
    Art gays can seeethe all they want the real 1%er artists won't be seething rather they will be forward thinking by using AI to automate and do most of their dirty works and focus on the real work

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Art schools literally don't even have real movement or revolution for almost a century for 100 years there has been no real shit in art
      Anime and manga style.

  81. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i bet my ass off that the majority has already trained a model to their specific needs on their work just to generate shit while crying like bitchies

  82. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    all sd had to do was train their model off of public domain images and there would be so much less of a shitshow
    at least then if some rando decices to add other images to it thats beef between them and whatever artist

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I don't think thats reasonable. Image recognition models have been trained for years off scraped data, no-one had a problem, the first image generation models like DeepDream were putting those models in reverse, no-one had a problem. GANs came along and many were trained on scraped data, no-one had a problem, even when things like StyleGAN and thispersondoesnotexist pointed towards where we now are. How were ML boffins expected to know that diffusion models would be the straw that broke the camels back, prior to even making them?

      I think there's a legal discussion to be had over whether training data is fair use, but its not right to expect people to have predicted that in advance.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Why should they, but not OpenAI? Who is paying you to post this?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        i dont know what openai is doing with imagegen otherwise i would have included them in my statement you dumb sd shill

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Public domain only applies to US laws. Genie out of bottle. Doesn't fucking matter anon. You can't control this shit.

  83. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >The European Union for one could be able to ban websites from hosting AI art altogether

    lmao the European union might legitimately be gone in 10 years.
    You'll probably get some german proxy state with a bunch of southern european satellite states.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Now this is genuine cope
      >but muh brexit
      Lmao

  84. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You literally can't do shit to stop me from training my own model on your images now.
    You also literally can't empirically prove that an image was made by AI, at worst all you do now is make me lie to your face and say I drew it myself.
    You also literally can't prove that an AI image was generated using a model containing your pictures.
    Check and mate, luddites. You can't hold back progress, we're going to drag you kicking and screaming into the future.

  85. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why would you mix artists and people who input prompts to an engine?

    AI artists can spam millions of pics a day so obviously you dont want them infesting any place where actual artists post stuff.

  86. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >needs IP laws to fund intellectual workers
    communism doesn't have this problem

  87. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >it's very kafkaesque

  88. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'm an ai artist, I am pretty popular but looks like I haven't been prompted yet. Soon.

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