So my friend works at a College and recently a class got caught using AI (chatGPT) to do their assignments, around 90% of them.

So my friend works at a College and recently a class got caught using AI (chatGPT) to do their assignments, around 90% of them. The professor was complaining to him while he was fixing the computers and said "I don't understand why anyone would go to College if they're just going to cheat". I thought about it and wanted to make a retort, but defending students is probably what contributes to DEI. If you're not smart enough, or if the workload is too much, maybe it's not a problem with the education system, maybe you just don't deserve it.

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  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >"I don't understand why anyone would go to College if they're just going to cheat"
    Stupid boomer doesn't understand most people don't want to be there they just have to

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Why do they have to be there?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        To not get killed by lack of resources. Poverty is a strong predictor for early onset severe disease and premature death.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          To get that paper. I am not smarter post college than I was pre but I have a piece of paper that claims I am

          >didn't answer my question
          Why do you need to be in College?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Paper = more job opportunities

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              You again keep missing the point, what about College is going to make you money? Are you even College-educated? What you are saying is not consistent with reality here in the US.

              they are a requirement to work at a company that can pay you a non poverty wage
              first it was high school
              then it was college
              next will be...

              Read above.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I am college educated. Pre-College the best job I could get was retail. Post I now make 6 figures in IT however the IT knowledge I have was pretty much the same post college at least for practical knowledge. I had to go through 4 years and 90k in debt so I could make more money

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Your anecdote sucks because you went to College to get an IT career, I don't know anyone that needed to go to College for this. Maybe if you said Engineering, but what with job titles these days, what the frick isn't Engineering?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >I don't know anyone that needed to go to College for this.
                Everyone in IT needs it unless you can really really demonstrate somehow that your knowledge really is above the rest through a project or something.

                I dunno why you are getting mad at me. My point is common sense. We have a system where you average person is gatekept behind an expensive piece of paper because companies are lazy and think you must be competent and smart if you got it.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, but you think this for fricking IT. You're fricked, get fricked. Everyone I meet that says they need a College education has butt breathe and generally have glaring flaws such as a poorly written job resume, or they can't talk no good cause it too hard. Like I said, if you would have argued for any other career path I would've said "fair", but fricking IT? That is a career you experiment with in your early 20s and pass it up because it's just customer service. You're fricking stupid and should slit your throat.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                You are arguing for arguments sake now and just being dishonest. I am not customer service i design entire systems among many other things. I say "IT" because I wear many hats. Sorry you are sexually frustrated and getting mad over nothing but thata a you issue not me

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Your anecdote just sucks ass. Go back to taking calls, ticketboy.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Lose weight dude its not that hard to get laid in 2024.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                low tier IT positions requires college degrees now funny enough.
                Weirdest shit.
                The most "reasonable" applications are from Amazon where they'll just want you to have a frick ton of certifications instead just to look at activity logs and fix the printer or the wi-fi because too many people connected and there are no more IP addresses to dish out.

                Can confirm

                I went to college and a professor had been writing tests for 30 years never changing them.

                I barely passed his class and made friends with the TA, the TA showed me the grading rubric.

                The professor took points off for not using his exact autistic explanation for shit.

                Literally
                >first multiply by 10
                Full points
                >start with a factor 10 multiplier
                Zero points

                Blew my mind, the professor had been running a cheating ring for 30 years. Anyone who got above a C would have needed to read the exact answers the professor intended.

                Complete blackpill for me, I failed a class the next semester.

                I've seen the "You have to do it exactly like how I told you" shit with History teachers forcing their idpol and revisionism onto the class.
                I understand you handing out a list of credible sources but jeez, only allowed to work off of the obvious nu-dark ages propaganda. Gay.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >low tier IT positions requires college degrees now funny enough.
                No they don't, I don't know anyone working IT with a degree that isn't grossly incompetent and looking for their way out of that field into a "proper" engineering role. Maybe that's how it works in Spain, but certainly not in the US.

                Lose weight dude its not that hard to get laid in 2024.

                Oh man, I pissed off ticketboy.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >n...n....no u
                Look how angry you have been getting over my opinion about collegs all because woman wont talk to you and you need to project

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Okay well you double down and keep bumping my thread trying to convince me that.

                [...]
                From my perspective, experience > certs &degrees, but unless you get lucky or start working in IT as a teenager, its pretty difficult to gain enough of the right experience without having some doors opened via certs&degrees. Ive found certs are about equal to degrees in hiring managers minds.

                I see people walk in and out of IT every single day without degrees or certificates, the only people I see who say this isn't true are incompetent and can't navigate HR.

                So are you arguing people don't need degrees because they can just get a job by being smart and having drive? Just trying to understand

                No, I don't really have a point like that. I think that the average person is stupid as dirt and they need to be directed where to go, what to do, etc. The majority of people go to College because they were told to, no other reason. This ragebait thread was made purely to see what the average person thinks and I used this moron to bump my thread a bunch

                He is one of these morons that hates IT for whatever reason because he works construction or some back breaking blue collar work I bet and hates everyone who doesn't

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >he is so mad he is resorting to "t...t....t...thank you for bumping my thread"

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Thanks for keeping me on page 1, dipshit. I couldn't have done it without you, I'm putting this experience on my resume for intelligence now.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                All you have to do is lose weight anon and buy better clothes. That's all woman care about

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Man, you really have it out for me now huh

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Says the guy that actually started the "thank you for bumping my thread" guilt tactic like that actually works. You lost the ability to be critical of me once you used that incel.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I don't think you know the meaning of the word "guilt", but you have my permission to go shit now.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                So are you arguing people don't need degrees because they can just get a job by being smart and having drive? Just trying to understand

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                He is one of these morons that hates IT for whatever reason because he works construction or some back breaking blue collar work I bet and hates everyone who doesn't

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                He’s arguing because he’s one of those violent autistic spergs that’s always accommodated by momma and daddy’s never around because he pumped and dumped.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                You don’t know anyone outside momma. Kys

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Yea i notices amazon and google are slowly becoming competitors to college because even they are hosting year lomg education programs with automatic job placement. This will kill college IMO if it is adopted more

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, but you think this for fricking IT. You're fricked, get fricked. Everyone I meet that says they need a College education has butt breathe and generally have glaring flaws such as a poorly written job resume, or they can't talk no good cause it too hard. Like I said, if you would have argued for any other career path I would've said "fair", but fricking IT? That is a career you experiment with in your early 20s and pass it up because it's just customer service. You're fricking stupid and should slit your throat.

                From my perspective, experience > certs &degrees, but unless you get lucky or start working in IT as a teenager, its pretty difficult to gain enough of the right experience without having some doors opened via certs&degrees. Ive found certs are about equal to degrees in hiring managers minds.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                NTA but it's all about who you know. I'm a college dropout and I make 6 figures doung data engineering. I got in because of a video game buddy.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >what about College is going to make you money?
                Either shit reading comprehension or intentionally obtuse.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >intentionally obtuse.
                It's this and I have no idea why he is being like that

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                the pretense that the israelite-run education system functions the way it's presented as has to be maintained. Same as any other israelite-run system. Smoke and mirrors.

              • 1 week ago
                poo-niggers tongue my anus

                > that the israelite-run education system
                > polish flag

                have a nice day, wojciech. poland is the real israeli homeland and all your unis are cucked by pooBlack folk or soon-to-be cucked by pooBlack folk..

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                post real flag

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                oh so the (otherwise deserved) poo hate is actually fed by israelites. Your incoherent answer serves to do nothing but underline that fact. Well done 😀 yes, discussing anything other than the israelites is largely a waste of time it seems.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                has anybody ever checked who's running those pajeet scam centers? Like who's REALLY running them? That would be interesting.

              • 1 week ago
                Reed B Sneed

                Stick your shekels in your ass moron.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >You again keep missing the point, what about College is going to make you money?
                you need some homosexual or a woman in HR to approve your resume in order to get a job
                if your resume does not include a college degree, it will be ignored in favor of somebody who has a degree
                simple as

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                if you are white, don't even bother applying to a company with a HR department

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Why do you need to be in College
            Because colleges have an effective monopoly over higher education and finishing a student into a professional in a given field, per the requirements of different companies' HR departments. Thus people go to college.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              If only it was possible to get a well paid job without one or start your own business.
              >it is

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                It's a lot harder though. It's high risk and high reward. Having a successful business isn't easy and it usually takes years to get to a point where it's self sustaining.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Before nu economy and AI, becoming a professional service (white collar) worker was a reliable way to acquire resources like quiet, poison-minimized housing and food, a reliable car and clothes with enough status to not get harassed etc.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Because US employers are known to require any college degrees, no matter what field to get a decent job.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >ignored all the answers
            Eat shit.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            welp i've seen enough -- this is trolling outside of /b/

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            jews told them to

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >not actually learning the skills you're paying to learn is going to get you the resources you're after
          Fricking idiot.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        To get that paper. I am not smarter post college than I was pre but I have a piece of paper that claims I am

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Well the college paper shows employer that this candidate possess at least skill of basic reasoning.
          Or I don't know what the situation in DEI USA college is, probably not the same as it used to be, we are still living the old style meritocracy here where everyone is given a test an only the result tells you whether you go in, not because you are a gay troony of rare blue-turquoise skin color which gives you lbtq+ points which is apparently what matters in college eligibility in USA today

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Nah you're pretty spot on. If you're a woman, a Black person, or an LGBTQ+ pedophile, plenty of schools will bend over backwards and use mental gymnatistics to get you in and get you a degree. We have Black folk at Ivy Leagues who graduate with third grade reading levels.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            There's international students who make stupid mistakes and no one cares. It's ridiculous. Blame Whitey for everything. Not everyone is like this, but they really think brown people are morally superior just because they're not white/European.

            Other White people and browns will lie, cheat, frick people over, and not care. They'll laugh at White people for caring. You see this with hispanic immigrants, they will laugh at White people for not cutting corners. They laugh at White people for following rules. White Americans are like Germans compared to them. You see it in media. The average middle class White person gets made fun of for following rules. It really shows why these people's cultures are garbage. They're losers.

            Cucked liberal Whites will whine about Whites not following rules, but make exceptions for non Whites even if it does bother them. Ask yourself why these types rarely confront black people for littering. They're very 'mind your own business', unless it's White people. We all know why they don't do that. Liberals also refuse to take responsibility for their part in eroding society.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            All it means now is you are willing to support the current homosexualy thing or are gutless enough to sit quietly by as homosexualry goes on all around you

        • 1 week ago
          Reed B Sneed

          Then you are your teachers and schools failed.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            That's the American school system for you what can I say? We are taught money is king

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          This. I was a stupid idealist and thought what I knew was more important than a piece of paper. The corporate world is completely different from the academic world.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          I remember i was back and forth on college for a little while. I finally went, but near the end had to take some time off. I was 9 courses (all of which were courses related to my major) away from a degree. I had already taken tons of math, and most of the major specific courses. I was applying to jobs to see if i could get anything, but obviously everyone wanted me to have a degree. Didn't matter what field it was. If i had my degree, i could have gotten jobs in my field and outside of it easily. I ended up having to work in food service again temporarily.

          It dawned on me, when experiencing this, that people think those 9 extra classes were going to change me. The companies just use it as a barrier for entry, but regular people think that somehow, after those 9 classes that were specific to my major, i would be some enlightened being. I took higher level math than people who were working some of the jobs i applied to (that required some math), but it didn't matter. I didn't have that piece of paper. I can't stand when people act like college is so transformative in an intelligence sense. Socially, sure. It's so aggravating listening to some homosexual reddit liberal type act like they're special because they finished those 9 classes. As though they're magically smarter than they were before their final year of college.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          [...]
          >didn't answer my question
          Why do you need to be in College?

          I just lied on my resume and said I had a BA and they never checked. Been two years

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I also said I was Hispanic. Lol

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Not bad, good for you. This is the ultimate form of cheating as it saves you tens of thousands of dollars.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I also said I was Hispanic. Lol

            I've met people who've done the same, I knew a guy who lied and said he worked at Wells Fargo for 4 years to get his IT job. No one checked. He learned everything on the job. Told me had an employee that would just pretend to know what to do, any time someone had a question they would just say "You know that's a good question, I'm gonna go look into that" and the odds of it getting done were slim to none.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I also said I was Hispanic. Lol

            thanks for giving me hope. i’ll start using the hispanic trick, i already have a fake bachelors on my resume but still getting rejections before an interview

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        they are a requirement to work at a company that can pay you a non poverty wage
        first it was high school
        then it was college
        next will be...

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        The paper is gateway to getting a job selling diversity to the public.
        That job gets you enough money to have a house far away or gated off from diversity.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        If you want most jobs, you need a degree.

        If you want to ever work internationally, you need a degree (immigration bureau requirements).

        If you want to do advanced research, you HAVE to sit through shit undergrad courses that are useless and don't let you test out.

        None of these barriers existed in boomer times, but they do now.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Read homie read

          [...]
          I just lied on my resume and said I had a BA and they never checked. Been two years

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            You can't lie for any company worth their salt. Degrees are checked easily, most companies, and all nations, run background checks. Wow a few people slipped through the cracks.

      • 1 week ago
        Breakroom

        Because college is the only way to get a good paying job.

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >the system cheats the people
    >people need to cheat the system
    if colleges vanished tomorrow what would happen?
    how would the world look?
    is that a world you really want?
    or are some just lazy and like to complain?

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Is using a calculator also cheating? How about a forum where real people frick you around for 30 minutes before giving a shitty answer? How about a book? Is reading a book cheating? Stop being moronic and use the tools as they are intended to be used. I don't go around complaining why construction workers don't use their forheads to hit in nails.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Using a calculator and using a book are both cheating on certain contexts.

      What's the point of testing a child on their multiplication table if the child is going to use a calculator?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Multiplication tables are literally a linguistic calculator you memorize.
        What's 2214001*581849? Solve without a calculator. Or just don't be an idiot

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Is using a calculator also cheating?
      Yes.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      As with all things it depends on the context.

      >Is using a calculator cheating?
      If it’s on an assessment of your ability to manually/mentally do basic mathematical operations, then yes. If it’s on an assessment of your ability to do some kind of more involved analysis and the math just happens to be a small-but-necessary part of working out a numerical answer, like say a physics test, then no.

      >Is reading a book cheating?
      If it’s an assessment of your ability to recall the information in the book, then yes. If it’s an assessment of your ability to form new ideas based on the content of the book, then no.

      >Is using ChatGPT cheating.
      And here’s where it starts to get messy. There’s a much shorter list of examples where I could imagine someone using AI on an assessment where it wouldn’t be cheating, since no matter the context it’s nearly always just doing work for you instead of assisting you. If you’re using it to write an essay or write a code or whatever those are all examples where you’re using the AI to do the work you’re being assessed on rather than using it as a tool that enables the assessment of other abilities.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        > If you’re using it to write an essay or write a code or whatever those are all examples where you’re using the AI to do the work
        Please try to copy/paste instructions to a college level essay or programming project into GPT and then turn it in without doing any work to it. Id love to hear what grade you get.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I cringe whenever I see a colleague try to make chatgpt produce an entire program or script. IMO, in regards to programming, chatgpt is most useful as an extension of the language's documentation. If you are unsure how to properly make use of the a function in a library that you've never used before, then chatgpt can easily help spin up an example demonstrating the proper usage and then you can incorporate what you've learned into your program. Sometimes the official documentation can be obtuse, and leveraging chatgpt is generally faster than sifting through the web for other examples.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          if you are unsure of how to use a function then you should elbow its author in the groin

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            The authors probably some dead boomer

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Is using a calculator also cheating?
      Depends on your class. I'll never forget the words of my DiffEQ professor, "don't use your calculator to check your work. Use your work to check your calculator."

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >calculators in a calculus class
        what?
        also
        differential equations are moronicly easy to solve. boundary value problems are the much harder topic. use the correct name, sport.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Having AI literally write your code for you is definitely cheating. What happens when it's used to write erroneous code for your cars airbag or seabelt system? How about the flight controls on the plane.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >def cheating
        >to write bad code
        Are you saying because it sucks at writing code, its actually good at writing code? That makes no sense.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      The things chat got is great at is the stuff you do in college to learn coding. You have to learn that stuff to understand what needs to get done later in your career. Its core concepts like loops, variables, calling database or apis etc. it’s good to learn so you know when chat gpt gives you trash.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >What its great at is why you have to double check it!

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Old fricks don't understand that the same as in the past mathematicians had to do complex calculations 24/7 and keep track of everything and it was all completely replaced with calculators and software the same easiest basic coding today is being replaced with AI, not only on irrelevant college level with students "cheating" but in corpos there are massive layoffs with AI replacing basic code monkeys. Teaching computer languages should switch from braindead monkey code typing to analyzing complex codes and finding the best solutions with help of AI.

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    every single non white cheats 100% of the time
    its crabs in the bucket - if everyone else they know is doing it why wouldn't they? you are literally fricking yourself over if you don't cheat
    and chat gpt is too dumb and gets things wrong so it's not even really cheating if you just copy paste from it because you wont get top marks from it

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Can confirm

      I went to college and a professor had been writing tests for 30 years never changing them.

      I barely passed his class and made friends with the TA, the TA showed me the grading rubric.

      The professor took points off for not using his exact autistic explanation for shit.

      Literally
      >first multiply by 10
      Full points
      >start with a factor 10 multiplier
      Zero points

      Blew my mind, the professor had been running a cheating ring for 30 years. Anyone who got above a C would have needed to read the exact answers the professor intended.

      Complete blackpill for me, I failed a class the next semester.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Anyone who got above a C would have needed to read the exact answers the professor intended.
        I guarantee students were passing those answers down throughout the years

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I laugh when people would criticize grades. Wow that White guy is a C student. Yeah he earned his grades fairly and may have divided his time between studying and social activities. Some foreigners have parents who say they MUST get the best grades. Well obviously they're often going to get them by any means necessary.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Also if they come from a different country and are paying out the ass for it they literally cannot afford to fail
        I almost feel sorry for them

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          That too. If a transcript has some low grades or fails, then you know they were mostly legit. They could have cheated in one class, but they weren't doing it constantly.

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    That professor needs to get with the times and modify those assignments so that ChatGPT is impractical to use, and if he can't he should trash those assignments and come up with something else. ChatGPT has been around for years now, it's his own fault.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      No he needs to have the students expelled the moment he finds out they are cheaters. When you have doctors who are willing to "cheat" to get ahead you get an opioid epidemic or vaccine injuries.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        There is no solid way of knowing whether or not something was written by ChatGPT. The AI detector tools are no accurate. So as a prof you need to be proactive. Rather than catching dtudents cheating, you focus on preventing them from cheating by designing your evaluations properly. Seriously, the onus to prevent cheating is on the prof.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          "Homework" is moronic anyway. It would be pretty easy to devote the class time to the actual project, and require that they do the prerequisite reading at home instead. That way, cheating becomes nigh impossible under constant proctoring.

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe you will just cope with my unearned degree

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >my unearned degree
      You can just buy those, you don't have to cheat homosexual

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >I don't understand why anyone would go to College if they're just going to cheat
    Geeeeeeeee… Maybe because it’s a system built on paid titles instead of earned accomplishments???

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    When I have a pajeet instructor I basically just copy paste from chat gpt blatantly. They don't care and give me 100 percent.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Here's the flip side: I'm a prof and just ignore cheating because the university doesn't take it seriously. They let pajeet stay no matter how many times he cheats because they pay a lot in tuition. So it's really the administration's fault.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        here foreign students pay at least 4x the amount aussies do

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          It's the same in Canada

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/isRdif4.png

        When I have a pajeet instructor I basically just copy paste from chat gpt blatantly. They don't care and give me 100 percent.

        Cheating on what though? Exams? Maybe replace exams with projects and assignments that are outside of the memorization of facts. Not only does it reduce cheating, but end grade is more reflective of the real world. Exams and tests do not literally exist in real world problem solving.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Exactly right.

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I would have him sue. I did my thesis on AI detection of plagiarism. I would never use something that’s at most 84% accurate to assign punitive measures. That’s just asking for a bad time.

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I was shocked how much cheating there was in this generation. Both my kids are at uni. Everything is electronic, so it can be duplicated and shared. The AI for coding is nuts. I have a CS degree and we actually had to learn to code. They enter the question exactly and the code is written, they then ask it for another version and it is rewritten. If they take a stab at actually doing it, they paste their code in and ask what the problem is.

    None of the struggle is there anymore where you actually learn. It is so quick and they don't even write out the answer; ctrl-C, ctrl-V.

    It made me sad. We have a generation of lazy cheats coming through.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >None of the struggle is there anymore where you actually learn. It is so quick and they don't even write out the answer; ctrl-C, ctrl-V
      "...the problem with the scientific power that you're using here, it didn't require any discipline to attain it. You read what others had done and you took the next step. You didn't earn the knowledge for yourselves, so you don't take any responsibility for it" and each generation is becoming more reliant and abusive with the knowledge they don't actually understand.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >It made me sad. We have a generation of lazy cheats coming through.
      If you aren't struggling, you aren't learning. The outliers will inherit the earf.

    • 1 week ago
      Reed B Sneed

      I c this in peer review publishing too. Dumb entitled people are diving the bus.

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Also, those professors are economic terrorists. There’s not even going to be jobs for those people when they graduate. Globalism has ensured that people from LatAm, Eastern Europe, and India can offer their services to corporations for a fraction of the cost. If you’re a company like my last job (Home Depot corporate) - there’s no benefit to ever hiring an American. They’re expensive, stupid and lazy. Plus when you hire Indians for $60,000 a year or Argies for $20,000 you can also claim that you’re promoting diversity.

    If they cared about their students, theyd give all the Americans a 4.0 and fail all the international students after taking their money.

  13. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    How is using chatGPT to look up coding solutions that normally youd get from google search the same (but more annoying to parse), cheating ? Its not able to write entire programs. And if you do prompt it to do such, itll be garbage code. Same thing with writing, if you use it as a proof reader how is it any different then using a sophisticated spell check? Like coding, you can try to prompt it to write your entire essay, but it will be laughably garbage.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      yeah it's a decent search engine tool if you actually know what you are doing and either have the knowledge and/or can find out if its giving you the right answer
      google search has gone to shit and bing search will give you chatgpt results anyway

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Idk if itll get better, maybe the worry is it will be able to be prompted to write an entire projects code or paper, but as of now I have not ever been able to copy paste a projects instructions in it and get a non-garbage output. Its useful for maybe taking a set of instructions and organizing it into an outline, and then you'll have to fill in the gaps. But anytime you want something more than a sentence or two, you will have to rewrite large sections of it. Its really good for "how to do __" steps to complete some task or breaking down complex problems into smaller steps. But again its really just doing the same thing as a search engine but with digesting the info for you so you dont have to skim through pages of garbage.

  14. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    it's going to be funny when ~~*coding*~~ courses required hand written lines of code to be turned in to try and avoid this. questions will be given in cursive

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      You laugh but that's already being done.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I’ll say with full confidence computer science degrees won’t be a thing in America in 5 years. Most universities right now outside of the oldest and most prestigious won’t make it 10 years. The days of ZIRP and free money are over and it’s time to get back to reality. America is just not competitive like it once was and it will likely never be competitive again.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        They will be needee but the need will decrease over time. Despite what changes happen the issue with change is that its expensive. If my entire financial company is being run fine using software and pronciples from the 80's there really is no reason to change. I worked for a company that used an ancient programming language maybe less than 100 people know

  15. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >college is a cheatcode for getting a higher salary sir.
    >it makes a lot of sense
    >people who want material wealth take easy paths'
    >college allows someone to pay up front for what they understand to be a guaranteed return, the risk is not apparent
    >cheating is much the same

  16. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >If you're not smart enough, or if the workload is too much, maybe it's not a problem with the education system, maybe you just don't deserve it.
    you've got a good point
    >If you're not smart enough
    >maybe you just don't deserve it
    a good point in general in fact

  17. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Boomer professors should adapt and let students work with AI. Nothing wrong with using LLMs as long as you actually think about your inputs and put an effort to understand the solutions

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      This. It's the prof's responsibility to create evaluations that are ChatGPT-proof.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I actually do have one teacher with that idea but you have to reference it properly and post your entire chatgpt text as an appendix
      Probably the way its going to go in the future, you can't really get around it
      But then in the future they might actually make the AI good and actually AI and it won't be wrong so it's going to render the entire thing moot

  18. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Or maybe most assignments are bullshit busywork that provide no educational value?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Smoothbrain take I'm afraid

  19. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Cheating using AI is just accelerating your own replacement.

  20. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    If youre too stupid to be unable to get past the filter then you should fail. You shouldn't copy AI output word for word. You edit it proofread it and prompt it to continue to change the piece to the point where it can get past the filter. It's still work but the chat-bot does all the heavy lifting.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      That would be a preferable thing if western countries weren't importing 3rd world low IQ shitskins en masse. The bar is no longer at college for a high paying job. It's required to barely scrape by.

      1st world countries are becoming more like India/Brazil where civilization only exists in small enclaves and the ones not part of the political in-group will be systematically wiped out.

  21. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Get an education

  22. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    We have created a service economy in this country that has told every last child that they must attain a higher learning certificate in order to be deemed worthy of sitting at a desk all day and pretending to work.
    So the reality is that they don't even need the school nor the degree. It is nothing but a very expensive token of an institution that use to mean something.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      You do though. Not because you actually need it for a lot job, but because they made it a requirement.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        they made it a requirement because ~~*they*~~ got rid of iq testing for jobs

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Yes and now it's a requirement. Obviously it sucks, i don't know how to change it, but saying you don't need a degree is moronic. It sounds like you're getting bothered because some people who say that are morons who think getting a degree makes you smart. That's not what i'm saying. It's just acting as a filter the majority of the time. Even those people now understand that it's also a requirement. It's listed on tons of job postings.

  23. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I'm currently doing 2 classes that have nothing to do with what I want to learn. I use AI to give me a passing grade without having to care about it. Easy peasy. Next semester I can move onto something I actually want to do and get HDs

    • 1 week ago
      Reed B Sneed

      You are ignorant, willfully. Scum. You deserve to be expelled.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      What are the 2 classes?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Lazy bones
      I enjoy knowledge for knowledge's sake and learning how to learn. I enjoy structured learning as found in academia. I'll study anything. Learn to love learning you dumb shit skin. Get out of the kitchen if you can't stand the heat Black person.

  24. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >doesn't give verbal exams in current year
    rookie move
    t. profanon

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I'm also a prof, never done oral exams just presentations. It's a disaster every time. How does it go for you?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        i tell them on the first day of class it is how i operate. some crash and burn out of nerves, but I have no sympathy for that. it's not like they won't ever have to defend their work if they get a big boy job. for the most part they seem to like it because they can more quickly and clearly explain themselves than in writing.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          also, we are talking engineering students here. what department are you in?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          In my area there are a lot of international students. They cheat on their English competency exam to get in, with some of them barely able to speak/write English at all. So while I like the idea of oral exams, ~50% of my students are international, so they'd all bomb, probably getting me in trouble with management.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            sounds like a nice way to expose some bull shit. it will only get worse if no one pushes back.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              The problem is that guy is forced to be a martyr, but few else will stand up. It's like cowards telling a guy to do something brave.

  25. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Pretty sure 99 times out of 100 a professor accuses someone of having ai generated work it’s actually completely false accusations. They just put all the papers into some kind of ‘detector program’ that absolutely doesn’t work and will false positive basically everything and/or the professor is too dumb to interpret the results of this detector. You could put something 100% written by the professor himself, and it would likely flag it as likely written by ai. This seems to be a massive problem in American universities these days.

  26. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >go to College if they're just going to cheat

    Those that work in offices genuinely do nothing besides enact schemes to cheat the workers out of their share. College is filled with rich kids that are greedy, corrupt monsters who are so physically weak and incompetent they can't do anything else besides cheat, lie, steal, manipulate. The workers work, the educated steal.

  27. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >students pay money to be taught
    >teachers fail you because they “don’t got time to teach you every thing”.
    >start cheating
    >teachers: NOOOOOOO!!! Muh critical thinking!!!!!

    Frick professors. I hope they’re replaced by modern states free college and a certificate

  28. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Oh this 500 line R script? Yeah sorry mr TA it's all chatGPT, or as I've taken to calling it, total codecel death robot.
    No I don't know what a ggplot is, I just look at the pretty graphs and regression results

  29. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    HOLY FRICKING DAMMIT
    STOP IT
    JUST FRICKING STOP IT
    CAN YOU NOT FRICKING READ!?!?
    THIS IS A POLITICS BOARD! IT IS FOR TALKING POLITICS, NOT A CATCH ALL BOARD FOR WHATEVER BULLSHIT YOU WANT
    INCEL SHIT IS NOT POLITICS
    YOUR PERSONAL GRIEVANCES
    ARE NOT FRICKING POLITICS
    THERE ARE OTHER BOARDS ON THIS WEBSITE FOR YOU TO DISCUSS YOUR SHIT
    POL IS NOT ONE OF THEM
    Wrong board

    [...]

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    >>>/b/

    [...]

    [...]

    [...]

    [...]

    STOP IT WITH ALL THE FRICKING OFF TOPIC THREADS
    JUST
    FRICKING
    STOP IT!!!!!!!

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Can you define "politics" for me?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous
      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Governments, society, economics, policy.
        Basically anything EXCEPT "me me me waaaah muh personal problems"

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          College and education don't have anything to do with society?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            NOT WHEN ITS "WAAA WHY WONT THE TEACHER LET ME CHEAT"!!!

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              That's not what I'm complaining about though, I'm complaining that the cheating culture and the idea that you need to go to college for an income is what contributes to DEI

  30. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Sorry but they’ve always been cheating. You think the rich and the sports athletes actually know anything? Why is it alumni have a 30% chance of getting in Ivy League, and why do the rich get caught cheating on sat and paying for admittance coaches?

  31. 1 week ago
    Sage

    It's simple. Need piece of paper, learn jackshit in classes because they suck, so you cheat. 100% a scam at this point.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      So why not just lie and say you have the piece of paper? Who is gonna check?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        HR checks degrees. They even made me send a picture of one of my degrees (a moronic thing to ask).

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          You're saying Black folk and indians can lie about their degrees, but it doesn't work for poor ol honky?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >send deg pic

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous
          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Just realized your ID says "NO love".

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Fitting. Me and my gf just broke up.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                good for you

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Sorry to hear that bud...

                ?L6UfUs4uG9Ev2iHu

                BACK TO THE TOPIC AT HAND

  32. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Frick you. Everybody cheats. I wish i didn't have to, but we are all forced to. Too bad.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      No, we don't. You're just a scheming brownoid

  33. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >>use AI
    >>"cheating"
    Frick that professor, Copilot has increased my companies productivity and made code fricking readable, with actual comments. Been great.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      resign from your job, immediately, rajneesh

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Using shit like Copilot as an assistant is great. It helps you work out what you have in mind and all you have to do is clean up the jeet mess that is gives you.
      Using it as a crutch is what's going to frick you up especially if you're a student.

      Ease of access in lieu of actual skill is going to confirm that schizo theory that advanced civilization is cyclical. Shit like the Tower of Babel just being an allegory of us being a space faring race and the reason we collapsed into the stone age is that the average person was functionally moronic but they had all kinds of beepers and honkers to do all the work of conveying information and doing all the work for them.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Yea bro, using a word processor is a crutch. Only real writing is using a typewriter and having the skill and knowledge to use one. If people start using word processors they will forget how to use whiteout and reload the ink tape. What happens when all the word documents fail to open? Total Society Death in two weeks!

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >What happens when all the word documents fail to open? Total Society Death.
          Yes. The average person's handwriting these days is absolute dogshit and it gets worse with ESL's.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Yea bro, using a typewriter is a crutch. Only real writing is pen and ink, and having the skill and knowledge to use one. If people start using typewriters they will forget how to use quills and ink. What happens when all the typewriters fail to type? Total Society Death in two weeks!

  34. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >I don't understand why anyone would go to College if they're just going to cheat
    because most things you learn at highschool and college are useless and moronic, but you still need those to get a job
    People lived thousands of years without needing to go through that shit, but some homosexual in Prussia thought it would be a good idea to make public schools to spread state worship ideology, so now we are here

  35. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    ChatGPT cannot be used for coding. It is completely and entirely useless.
    Maybe for writing hello world applications. But for anything with even just the tiniest substance, it is entirely useless.
    Is your friend a pajeet perhaps? Because then I could understand that.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      ChatGPT 5 will probably fix that since they're probably training it with a shit ton of Microsoft data and Github data that Microsoft owns. They also fed a ton of news article data licensed from News Corp so they'll get better at replacing journalists. Ain't the future great?

  36. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    When I went to college, 5 years ago, the fall classes always had >100 people in them. I had to take winter classes of each lvl 1 curriculum, due to some personal stuff happening, for two years. Basically shifting my schedule by a quarter. The difference being that normal schedule is curved and the shifted schedule is not. Because of this, just to pass the classes, I had to study 3-4x harder than anyone else.

    After I graduated with a degree in EE, I started seeing that most graduates didn't know jack shit. They didn't work hard at their jobs, and the company responded by giving all of the work to people like me.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      find a new employer. it's only a job.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        As if it isn't the same everywhere. We still have a "C's get degrees" culture. There's always going to be lazy/incompetent coworkers no matter where you go.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Well we still have Black folk and poos so

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Cs do get degrees because school != working. School is a barrier to get a job. I'm was not an amazing student, but every job i've ever held at any level, i have always been above average. Most jobs don't really have homework.

  37. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    It's not the fault of the students that AI has gotten so good it can replace them.

  38. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    The more higher education you have, the more you earn. Simple as. Can't believe there are people ITT asking what the point of a degree is.

  39. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    The irony is being good at requesting and manipulating AI to get what you want from it is probably the skillset of the future.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      It’s a diminishing return - at what point are you spending more effort trying to get a computer to do your work for you than it would take to just do the work yourself?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        What if you don't know how to do the work?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Then maybe you should find something else to do.

          If the only way for you to make art is to tell a computer to generate it for you, maybe you shouldn’t be an artist.
          If the only way for you to write a novel is to tell a computer to write it for you, maybe you shouldn’t be a novelist.
          If the only way for you to develop a program is to tell a computer to code it for you, maybe you shouldn’t be a software engineer.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >software
            >engineer

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Yes, the engineering of software. Not everyone can do i, and it makes the difference between shitty Ai code, and code that will last.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >using libraries
                >bitching about agile
                >oh the compiler will make it better
                is not engineering

  40. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Most people don't do shit in college. It's always group assignments of 3-5 people, and 4 of them do frick all while the 1 nerd does all the work and the other 4 take some of the credit. 2 people do the work if you're lucky. 80% of people are parasites on society and AI isn't going to make a lick of fricking difference to that.

  41. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Python is the most Black personlicious language imaginable. It was literally designed in such a way that even the dumbest monkey Black person can program in it.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I think youre thinking of HTML.

  42. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    That was always the case. High education was always meant for a very select few. Then ~~*academia*~~ managed to convince the boomers that everyone is supposed to go to college leading us to where we are now; a bunch of worthless overly "educated" morons who do nothing for society. It's a scam.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous
      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Lost generation gave women the right to vote and allowed the Federal reserve.

  43. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >I don't understand why anyone would go to College if they're just going to cheat
    Teens are stupid and don't belong in college.
    You can't appreciate the value of education until you work shitty jobs for years and realize the only way up is learning new skills.

  44. 1 week ago
    Breakroom

    This is why I can't be going to college as I'll be accused of AI or outright plagiarism.

  45. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Guess the "students" didn't wanna write their 938th essay on the evil patriarchy

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      If teachers want to prevent AI use, the essays should be required to include "Black person Hispanic homosexual israelite" in every paragraph.

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