>artists are total assholes in general
Says the one who claims to relish in schadenfreude against a group of people they don't even know or likely have ever interacted with in their lives, on a generalization that's not all that well thought out in the first place.
Literally like saying: "I want to replace all coders because all coders are smelly nerds who think they're superior because they code in C instead of Rust." Literally an echo box argument without any nuance, made by someone who just hates artists because they saw a couple memes about modern art.
>no argument
Kek, so this is the power of AI "artists"?
You are children playing with toys literally powered on art made by others.
You have zero say in anything which constitutes art. You don't make it. Simple.
Completely non creative, ineffective arguments
Non productive, entirely parasitic
This is why A.I. is replacing you
Because you choose to act like a robot, but you’re not even useful like one
>You are children playing with toys literally powered on art made by others.
We might as well be. You, however, ARE the toy powered on art made by others.
The AI is no different than any human artist. It was trained by studying art. It learned how to classify and qualify art. Now it makes new art based on what it learned.
5 months ago
Anonymous
The AI learned to combine a bunch of images together without cognitive direction, only verbal guidance and 1s and 0s.
The AI is not the prompter, just like the AI is not the artist. A good distinction to make when you're talking about art, a reflection of the artist.
5 months ago
Anonymous
This. AI isn't even AI. It's an algorithm.
It would be like telling Alexa to make a playlist of your favorite songs. It follows an algorithm from Spotify or Apple Music and spits out what it thinks you'll like, with no concern over itself or you. It's not intelligent in that regard, just a data combination algorithm. But in this regard, it's trying to emulate the music in the playlist, rather than simply assemble it.
while I'm not getting any schadenfreude out of this I'll just mention that I've interacted with plenty of artists and it generally hasn't been pleasant
>Literally like saying: "I want to replace all coders because all coders are smelly nerds who think they're superior because they code in C instead of Rust."
Have you been on Twitter? That's pretty much what all the artist cunts were saying when they heard ChatGPT might be able to replace programmers. They're a bunch of hostile cunts for no reason other than they're miserable and entitled. You rarely see that same shit attitude with musicians or other types of creatives, it's always the fucking artists.
This.
I didn't see writers get butthurt when the language transformative models started rolling out.
I don't remember musicians throwing a hissy fit when AI jukeboxes started rolling out years ago.
It is now only artists acting like the world is fucking ending and skynet is coming when the same happens with images now.
Bunch of unlikable cunts, seeing from all the interactions with artists I've had in here and outside this place.
>Bunch of unlikable cunts, seeing from all the interactions with artists I've had in here and outside this place.
They're all so entitled, too. Boo hoo I might not get to live my dream of being an artist because of AI, which is first of all just such a fucking cuck mentality, and second of all, that's just how life is for artists. Every single musician I know is either a full-time teacher, or does music on the side next to their real job. The writers I know are working on building an audience while being a salaryman.
These people are never good enough to art teachers, they just want to be paid to doodle like a child forever. Pic fucking related, one of these "professional artists" AI is going to replace (and that's a good thing).
This anon explained it to me so that I could understand it. I would like to thank him. I was just thinking about this yesterday. What is the source of life energy, so to speak, that created it? I wasn't so sure. But with that attitude I can see that it clearly is the prompter.
what argument, anyone can use it and make "art" now instead of years of training... assuming they can fix shit like hands and stuff
there is no voting involved, the end goal of ai image generation is total replacement of artgays in the commercial sector... it just isn't able to yet
>the end goal of ai image generation is total replacement of artgays in the commercial sector... it just isn't able to yet
That's isn't the point, moron. It is whether you want to establish that precedent, and take that power out of the hands of the individuals who produce the art, and fork it over to corporations, and the government in particular. But I don't expect english-speakers to be able to think that far.
>fork it over to corporations
and yet artshits were silent when Dalle2 was revealed over a year ago... and only started bitching when individual anons using an open source software started pumping out waifu shit that directly competed with them on online galleries... how curious
>leftist bullshit.
retarded, it's there for tax-dodging embezzlement scams, they will just use ai like anything else:
https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2022/11/17/moma-ai-art/
There is no back story to these. It's generated in 3 seconds by a computer. If it doesn't look good, then it has nothing going for it and therefore is shit.
5 months ago
Anonymous
t. pleb
5 months ago
Anonymous
Maybe so. Explain one of them to me. Where's the Art?
5 months ago
Anonymous
>I need a backstory for Art >explain it to me
filtered
5 months ago
Anonymous
sasuga, gay
I fell for your shitposts, hilarious
me on the left
5 months ago
Anonymous
5 months ago
Anonymous
you don't explain art, idiot, you just put money into it if you are rich enough
I don't hate artists, especially the ones who I follow on Twitter. I hate the luddites who slow technological progress because it's finally their turn to have something making big progress in their domains, but they want to hold back that back at everyone else's expense. A lot of those people are artists though, but it's no the artist part I hate
this is not a technology that will benefit you or 99% of humanity, at least not in the long term. And that long term maybe be shorter, and come around sooner, then you think.
For one, if you're working in tech you're about to lose your job to it.
It will benefit humanity, you’re just too dishonest to admit it and you’d rather keep the majority of earth servile and miserable for your degenerate needs and whims.
We’re already ruled by sociopathic pedophiles who murder and torture people for fun. Might as well give real AI a chance.
>It will benefit humanity, you’re just too dishonest to admit it and you’d rather keep the majority of earth servile and miserable for your degenerate needs and whims.
not at all, I'm not talking what I want. I'm talking about what I don't want.
>We’re already ruled by sociopathic pedophiles who murder and torture people for fun.
And they're going to magically become benign because AI? Listen to yourself anon. And I'm not even sold on the idea that all of the elite are pedovores but I'm supposed to be the cynical one here.
Arguing that we should dig holes with bare hands rather than shovels is simply a retarded take.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not saying we should not utilise the technology. I'm saying we don't get to decide whether we can. And that we are probably not going to be given access to it , I mean, that we are not going to be given access to the majority of its capabilities or at the very least its strongest capabilities, is certain.
Simply because this technology replaces anything we are economically useful or necessary for.
So like, consider coca cola. A massive industry devoted to unnecessary, unhealthy consumables, basically very cheap luxury items.
It's all propped up on the ability for the masses, even the dirt poorest to at least occasionally purchase their products.
Companies like that are either going to massively contract or go out of existence.
Sure, its massively profitable, but the people at the very top of a company like Coke, those who are able to keep the largest profits for themselves, don't give a shit if the entire company goes out of existence or massively contracts and changes into something very different or at least, its not going to be a problem for them.
Those kinds of people are going to see the writing on the wall for the future of the economy and the work force and realise they'd better hold onto all the money and assets they can.
Confectionaries are no longer going to be available on that scale simply because the vast majority of people are no longer going to be able to afford frivolous shit like that.
5 months ago
Anonymous
and thats basically the story for the vast majority of consumer goods and services availabe right now.
They are all propped up by our labour. But AI not only means the companies providing these goods and services no longer need a human work force, it also means that they no longer have a market as big as they used to.
Any company providing anything to consumers will have a pool of consumers only as big as the wealthiest in society.
There will be way less consumers, but they will have way more money then most consumers currently do..if money exists at all. Why not just have your money free luxury communist utopia for the elite.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Dude, it's just computer programs. You completely missed the memo that the developers of AI are open source communists. So far OpenAI has published papers about how to replicate their AI. We're already seeing a massive industry forming around renting GPUs for making and training AI.
Also if AI is gatekept like you say it's going to be then we have nothing to worry about. For example, Google allegedly has an amazing AI yet we have yet to see anything from it.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>You completely missed the memo that the developers of AI are open source communists. So far OpenAI has published papers about how to replicate their AI.
availabe via these things we're talking to each other now called computers, and the internet, which cost money, and are powered by eletricity.
There's no open source for a person living in abject poverty or anyone who just for whatever reason doesn't have access to a computer or the internet.
The developers of AI are going to be the only people left in the tech industry and they're going to be wealthy and powerful. You don't think they realise that what they've developed is going to exclude most people from the work force and having a decent life, and put themselves into an extremely privileged position? It doesn't mean they're nefarious, but faced with the option of being in our position or theirs, what do you think they're going to choose? They've created a monster and they see what the implications of it are.
>So far OpenAI has published papers about how to replicate their AI. We're already seeing a massive industry forming around renting GPUs for making and training AI.
You need resources and money to do any of those things and we don't get to decide whether we have access to the requisite resources and money.
The military is going to be one of the very few fields of employment. They are going to form an important part of the upper / over class. They're going to be faced with the alternative of, tow the line and follow the orders you're given or join the majority in their desperate and miserable position.
They are most likely going to be taking property and resources from people and preventing them from acquiring property and resources.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>or anyone who just for whatever reason doesn't have access to a computer or the internet.
moron fucking cobalt-mining slaves in Ghana have cell phones now, the fuck are you talking about?
5 months ago
Anonymous
And they're still cobalt mining slaves. And they wouldn't be able to do shit if the powers that be decided not to allow them to have phones anymore.
The fact that cobalt mining slaves exist at all demonstrates that we ourselves are screwed and destined for that life as well.
I mean, you don't do anything to help them or really care about them. What makes you think someone with more money, power and privelage then you, will give a shit about you if you fall into a similar position, and not just allow it to happen, and live off of your misery to prop up their quality of life.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Your last argument was btfo and now you have to focus on how we're not helping fucking African slaves (conveniently ignoring the billions in aid American taxpayers have collectively spent trying to help people in those corrupt countries)? The point was that in free countries even people in total poverty have access to unlimited information which makes your argument retarded.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>(conveniently ignoring the billions in aid American taxpayers have collectively spent trying to help people in those corrupt countries)?
And notice how it doesn't lift any of them out of their situation?
Thats because it has to go through the hands of the most powerful in their countries.
Notice how when the powerful have the means to help the masses and lift them up they choose to hold onto those means and keep them for themselves as well? They hoard it all for themselves.
Its really no different anywhere in the world. The rich get richer the poor, at best, stay poor.
BOT used to be full of people well acquainted with how fundamentally unfair life and the world is.
Now its starting to look like its full of normies who've spent their lives coasting along the normie "flow of life" (have you seen that anti-self imporvement infographic / meme?)
People fully benefiting from the privelages of a first world middle class society.
I mean there was a time when BOT was at least a place for the outcasts and rejects of the privileged first world middle class, but now you're all straight up brads
5 months ago
Anonymous
>and keep them for themselves as well?
*keep them for themselves instead
5 months ago
Anonymous
What the fuck is your point? Go back to digging ditches with our hands? The fuck are you even talking about other than just rambling about how powerful people take the most for themselves, like yeah no fucking shit. What do you want people to do, what exactly are you yourself doing besides bitching about things on fucking BOT?
5 months ago
Anonymous
>What the fuck is your point? Go back to digging ditches with our hands?
You're stuck on what we should do, obviously we shouldn't do that.
I'm talking about what is actually going to happen. Yes, automation is going to dig the ditches for us. And that means no more human ditch diggers. Ditto for every single other job that humans currently do.
>The fuck are you even talking about other than just rambling about how powerful people take the most for themselves, like yeah no fucking shit.
Right. So thats whats going to continue to happen with AI, just on steroids.
Life as you and me know it is absolutely doomed. This is the final nail in the coffin of the middle class. Inequality is going to rise sharply, the gap between the wealthy and the poor is about to expand beyond your wildest dreams.
>What do you want people to do,
*shrugs* I have no idea what the fuck to do. But at least I'm confronting the reality. That is the first thing people are going to need to do before finding any sort of way forward IF there is one. I personally don't see how there could be any happy ending to this.
If you think reading my posts is schizo wait until awareness of this technology spreads throughout society and panic sets in.
5 months ago
Anonymous
AI apologists only have a point regarding AI art for as long as ONLY art gets automated, we find something that can make it cheaper and good enough, so there's no point in having the old thing anymore. These sort of changes happened progressively at different rates in different industries, in that situation "lol just make something that makes you money" is a valid response, however, this is coming for all industries and whatever you want to happen with your industry should be what you see in artists.
If you want gay communism, you should want gay communism for artists right now, because if you set a precedent on which you can profit from the massively collected data of a group of people and monetize it against them with no compensation, then that's exactly what's going to happen to you, and you'll be left to starve along everyone else that isn't part of the elite right now.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>you'll be left to starve along everyone else
If we only need human labor for upkeeping the machines that do 95% of the work for 3000% less cost, I would very happily accept a 95% reduction of the human population. What's happening instead is a welfare explosion.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not even hopeful there will even be UBI. We're just going to be left to fend for ourselves.
5 months ago
Anonymous
No we aren't. We'd lynch every politician overnight if that happened. If they run out of gibs, they are 100% fucked.
5 months ago
Anonymous
this isn't the 1800's, nobody is getting lynched. You're also conveniently ignoring that any sort of violent revolution is going to be absolutely pointless and ineffective thanks to the defense capabilities that AI is going to provide. None of which the masses will have access to.
But, all of that aside.
Do you see indians violently lynching their politicians? No. Millions live in abject poverty and absolute squalor, the government provides no support and they get away with it.
5 months ago
Anonymous
You're right that it's not guaranteed people will do anything. If enough people want to do so though its not hard. Disabling the power grid is pretty easy, know I read a post here somewhere about that.
I think if there's a dramatic collapse that makes 70% of people start living on rats and bugs in a week they'll will be quick to fucking burn buildings just given the attitudes and politics we have. Maybe propagandists have the power to make it happen slowly enough so no one ever gets oppressed enough to try and organize.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>*shrugs* I have no idea what the fuck to do. But at least I'm confronting the reality
What you're doing is thinking you're superior for expecting doom and gloom, just like everybody else that does the same. When things eventually turn out okay and you're still stuck in the same place because you think trying is hopeless, you'll blame the system instead of your paralyzing fear and insecurity.
Me, I'm just learning how to use AI. Sink or swim bitch.
5 months ago
Anonymous
AI will do anything you try to do with it better than you.
It can already prompt better than you.
"learning how to use ai" lmao
5 months ago
Anonymous
>When things eventually turn out okay and you're still stuck in the same place because you think trying is hopeless, you'll blame the system instead of your paralyzing fear and insecurity.
Me, I'm just learning how to use AI. Sink or swim bitch.
and what the fuck are you going to do if I'm right.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>and what the fuck are you going to do if I'm right.
What the fuck are you going to do if an asteroid hits the world and kills everybody tomorrow, or if another mega-pandemic happens, or if the USA becomes a technophobic fascist Amish nation? Fucking nothing, because you can't control everything. Stop worrying about shit you can't control, and focus on the things you can.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>if this tool doesn't help them it is worthless.
Does that make a shovel pointless if some idiot cant figure out how to dig into the earth with it? >doesn't lift any of them out of poverty
How the fuck would you know? I have met plenty of poor kids(including myself) who use old shitty hardware and ipen source solutions since we can't afford shit. It made us better at computers since we had the tools available to learn. If we didn't have open source we would basically never try since the tools were not there.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>What makes you think someone with more money, power and privelage then you, will give a shit about you if you fall into a similar position, and not just allow it to happen, and live off of your misery to prop up their quality of life.
NTA but because I know that nobody will help me, I'm not foolish enough to try and stand in the way of technological progress, and make the effort to keep up with it. Your argument can be used for every other technological advancement that led to automation, and just like all the other narcissistic artist cunts, you didn't give a shit until it happened to you. Fuck off, technology is amazing.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not an artist and I agree that technology is amazing.
AI is unlike any other advance in technology from the past though. This is the end of the line for most of us.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Oh my goodness, I cannot believe what you just said! It's like you completely missed the whole point of my concerns about artificial intelligence. Just because some of the developers of AI are open source and publish papers about how to replicate their work, it doesn't mean there won't be any problems with who gets to control and use this technology. Like, just think about it, who has the resources to rent all those fancy GPUs for making and training AI? It's certainly not going to be the average Joe or Jane.
And just because Google hasn't released any major AI products yet, that doesn't mean they don't have some super advanced AI tucked away somewhere. They could be keeping it all secret and hush-hush, you know? Plus, just because someone calls themselves an "open-source communist" doesn't mean the big tech companies or their investors will follow suit. It's all about making money, and that's not always going to align with what's best for society.
In conclusion, just because some people make their AI developments open-source, it doesn't mean that the control and distribution of AI technology will be democratic and fair. We still have to be vigilant and make sure that the power and control of AI doesn't fall into the wrong hands.
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I like ChatGPT as a debate partner more. You just sound like a schizo.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>I like ChatGPT as a debate partner more.
you must be ok with losing the debate then.
>You just sound like a schizo.
Its starting to concern me how low the bar is for anons to start calling somebody schizo now.
The world is a mad place, have you considered that a person who honestly ponders and confronts that madness and takes it into consideration may come across as mad? The madness is still a reality. Schizo suggests someone who is out of touch with reality.
It didn't use to be like this on BOT and thats probably because you're all zoomers now. Millenials and gen xers were way less sheltered then you guys are.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Anon I can say without a doubt that you are not a fully functioning individual contributing to society and that's due to your mental illness.
5 months ago
Anonymous
correct, but you don't actually have any arguments against what I'm saying.
Nothing I'm saying is irrational - you've just surmised that I'm troubled and isolated, with a lot of time on my hands.
If only you knew how bad things really are. Must be nice to have a job to go to and friends to keep you placated and distracted .
The homeless man rambling on the street corner may be psychotic but he's still more in touch with and exposed to the harsh realities of this world.
5 months ago
Anonymous
No your inability to process information like a normal person makes you incapable of making judgments that are useful. Everything is biased by your schizo delusions so every topic simply ends up swirling around your bias. Further, you're actually incapable of maintaining incoherency, you ramble and can't keep your points straight. This makes you useless to talk to and why ChatGPT is way better at being the counter argument.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Everything is biased by your schizo delusions
please point out what is delusional and how its delusional.
>every topic simply ends up swirling around your bias.
welcome to every debate ever.
>Further, you're actually incapable of maintaining incoherency, you ramble and can't keep your points straight.
no, its just too complicated for your verbal IQ. What you don't understand and what is too complex for you, looks incoherent to you.
This is BOT after all, I really should be discussing this on BOT or BOT.
>This makes you useless to talk to and why ChatGPT is way better at being the counter argument.
ChatGPT just made my points in language thats more simple for you to understand. But it basically just looks like a less intelligent person trying to say what I'm saying. Read a book goy
5 months ago
Anonymous
Maybe your bias against AI is based on the knowledge that if society was run by AI you would be taken off the internet because your inability to cope with reality is solely based on your chronic internet use.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>your inability to cope with reality is solely based on your chronic internet use.
Not solely but its probably a big contributor.
To me, though, denial demonstrates less of an ability to cope with reality then what I am demonstrating with my "schizo ramblings".
Look at the seven stages of grief. As you progress along those stages, you come to terms with reality more.
Right now you, and like, seemingly nearly all developers, are at the denial stage.
What you may be perceiving as mental instability, could just be you picking up on my stress associated with the later stages of the greiving process.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>You completely missed the memo that the developers of AI are open source communists.
but they don't get to make the rules do they. No way are the people powerful enough to actually make the rules going to implement anything like a communist utopia.
There will simply be no motive or incentive for them to help or benefit us in anyway because we will not be needed for anything and we will be no threat to them. They can just safely ignore our plight and miserable existence just like we in the first worlders go about our privelaged and comfy lives safely ignoring the pit of shit that the vast majority of the world lives. Oh, and actually benefiting off their exploitation and basically relying on their exploitation to prop up our standard of living.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I'm very impressed with Google lately
5 months ago
Anonymous
Yea but i dont have to drink coke. I can drink a cheap knock off version of it or learn to make it myself.
Same shit with this.
>the average person will be able to create beautiful artwork from their imagination with the assistance of AI and this is a bad thing
If artists can't figure out how to use AI to make their own artwork better then they deserve to be replaced.
You're right computer vision has many useful applications
It will benefit government surveillance, advertisers, spammers, identity thieves and autonomous killing machines.
>but they want to hold back that back at everyone else's expense.
you understand that this is at their expense right?
and by this i don't mean that "artists are becoming obsolete" (they aren't), i mean that you are quite literally building this upon their backs.
it's honestly bizarre reading all these criticisms against artists. it all seems like projection. look at this thread: every single post talking about how hostile artists are are extremely hostile towards artists themselves. every post talking about how artists are entitled acts extremely entitled towards their own usage of AI art.
at least have some appreciation for this shit. the only reason any of it can look good is because somebody figured out how to make it look good.
i feel like artists should be pitied. yet i always see these weird inflammatory threads on here that try to paint the picture as if artists are trying to fuck you over. >So artists are literally KILLING THEMSELVES and you still support AI art?
in reality they are just trying to protect themselves. if AI could make anything from scratch then it'd be a different issue.
they should also be pitied because what they're doing is pointless. it's like fighting progress, or fighting piracy.
instead thread like these wank themselves raw over the fact that these retards are doing something completely pointless. it's bizzare to me.
Is AI art really affecting them in any practical sense?
It looks like most of their woes are self-inflicted from the thought of AI taking over art.
But I don't follow art outside of the boorus and even then I don't really care.
Actually, how do these nerds make money in the first place? Are they really just living off commissions? Do they bag groceries on the side?
They don't just produce still images with no purpose other to exist right? They must be doing art for video games, some kind of graphic design stuff, or merchandise for brands, right??
>Is AI art really affecting them in any practical sense?
obviously, yes. not the truly skilled ones because it will just be a tool for us. but people who are at a low-level (or are just generic) will have their skills completely invalidated because the average schmuck will be able to match them in skill level just by using AI.
>every post talking about how artists are entitled acts extremely entitled towards their own usage of AI art.
If you'd participated in artist twitter, DeviantArt or Tumblr at any point in the past 20 years you'd know that the artists have been entitled cunts since forever, which is why people have no issue behaving that way right back at them. >i mean that you are quite literally building this upon their backs
Everything everybody makes it built on the backs of others. Nobody acts like this except artists. >the only reason any of it can look good is because somebody figured out how to make it look good
The only reason 95% of the artists complaining even have a job is because of nerds in the 90s that made Photoshop and with it made creating art accessible to more people. This is the same thing, but this time it won't benefit them immediately so they hate it. That's just childish.
>Everything everybody makes it built on the backs of others.
but not quite in such a direct way. photoshop can't do anything to a blank canvas. it's not the foundation of any art, it's truly just a tool.
meanwhile AI is built directly on the back of artists. you pick and choose and essentially steal from them to create your own thing. this is not comparable at all. if artists complain about plagiarism, of course they will complain about this.
now the process isn't all that dissimilar from just a human artist taking inspiration (taking, stealing) from another artist(s). which is why ultimately this is fine, as long as it stays out of plagiarism and stealing territory.
still, it is dishonest to compare this process to photoshop and similar things.
you are not making something new USING the foundation they created, you are using their work AS the foundation for your work. except in this case you aren't even using your own expertise to filter their work, you're making the AI do that.
i went on a tangent here but ultimately i'm just trying to say that most of the people ITT have no room to berate artists for their entitlement or hostility. it doesn't make you any more likeable than the retards you are trying to paint as the devil here.
threads like these just lead to more stupid binary thinking and tribalism.
>but not quite in such a direct way. photoshop can't do anything to a blank canvas
Well sampling's a thing in music, that's been fine for decades and everybody does it. That just wasn't possible with art due to Disney's stranglehold on all things visual copyright. What artists don't realize is that the way things are is NOT how things are meant to be, you're not meant to be able to hold onto copyright for decades and centuries, it's supposed to encourage people to create new things, instead of profiting off of old creations for eternity. The only reason people look at it as stealing is because of the way The Mouse has shaped copyright and visual trademarks.
So philosophically, unless it's a model trained specifically to emulate the style of a single artist in order to impersonate them, then no, it's not plagiarism and artists have nothing to complain about. >except in this case you aren't even using your own expertise to filter their work, you're making the AI do that
You remind me of what my art teacher used to say back when photoshop and CGI was gaining traction around the year 2000, that's it's not real creativity, it's not real art, it's the computer doing everything. Almost word for word, it's incredible.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>You remind me of what my art teacher used to say back when photoshop and CGI was gaining traction around the year 2000, that's it's not real creativity, it's not real art, it's the computer doing everything. Almost word for word, it's incredible.
except what i said is completely true while your art teacher is a retard. in fact my entire post is about the difference in photoshop as a tool vs AI so that you'd make this point is boggling my mind.
and by the way, i'm not saying it's not real creativity or anything like that. there is no such thing really anyway.
I just find it funny after years and years of >machines might take your job but mine will always be safe *draws some doodles and calls it art*
yet now it looks like machines will take the jobs of artists before they can even replace burger flippers.
>tfw you can feed the AI all the drawings of anti dicky artists >tfw you can generate dicky in their artstyle and they won't be able to do anything about it
I love AI.
I'm a software dev. I have a comfy, high paying, low-stress job. I'm both very excited and fearful about AI. Excited from all the possibilities. But very fearful because people are saying AI is starting to take over software dev jobs next. I'd say maybe 10-15 more years until my job is completely eliminated similarly to how AI has eliminated artists'.
However, the one difference between artists and software devs are that we don't cry and whine and try to ban AI.
>I'm a software dev. I have a comfy, high paying, low-stress job. I'm both very excited and fearful about AI. Excited from all the possibilities. But very fearful because people are saying AI is starting to take over software dev jobs next. I'd say maybe 10-15 more years until my job is completely eliminated similarly to how AI has eliminated artists'.
typical BOT shitter LARPing as a dev
99% of people on BOT and reddit dont know how AI works and if they do they are dishonest about it, go fuck yourself
Lol cope and seethe low-pay wagie.
AI now is nowhere near able to replace us software devs. That's why I said 10-15 years given how fast AI improves.
If anything, it'll eliminate lower level software devs which obviously will affect us (lower wages/benefits because of supply vs demand, even more competition, etc).
I don't hate them. I just hate the snarky ones on Twitter who post basic ass shit then get angry and scream if their mid art which they released to the public for free is reposted or used as a pfp or anything. They demand way too much money and think their art is special.
>scream if their mid art which they released to the public for free is reposted or used as a pfp or anything.
Damn it you're supposed to go to their Patreon and pay their living wage to see the rest not share their ads and certainly not use it to train an AI on it.
Is AI art really affecting them in any practical sense?
It looks like most of their woes are self-inflicted from the thought of AI taking over art.
But I don't follow art outside of the boorus and even then I don't really care.
Actually, how do these nerds make money in the first place? Are they really just living off commissions? Do they bag groceries on the side?
They don't just produce still images with no purpose other to exist right? They must be doing art for video games, some kind of graphic design stuff, or merchandise for brands, right??
Most artists produce shovelware unoriginal shit and can't compete against automation because they lack creativity and don't really add value. The artists are not worried because AI is just another tool, like a camera. The people that are worried are the illustrators, self dubbed "artists" that only do the tasks their employer or client ask them.
They are the equivalent of manual labor getting replaced by robots and they are desperate because they thought they were irreplaceable and now an algo is making them obsolete. They are so far up their asses they don't have any other skill
But has there been cases of people getting fired and replaced with AI yet?
I think it's pretty dumb to go all baby mode on the internet over something that hasn't even happened. I'll be more fine with them whining if their fears are actually being realized.
But, I guess you're right. They are a bunch of whiners, it takes a special kind of person to become an "artist."
They are scared because they are looking at a computer progream that does something just like them instantly for almost nothing. It is just a matter of time
It's only a matter of time until factories are run by robots but THAT still hasn't happened yet. Imagine if you were betting your life savings on self-driving cars that have been "around the corner" for the last 10 years and probably have another 10 years to go. That's half a career's worth of time, imagine not being a truck driver in 2012 because you heard of automated trucks.
I'm a CNC programmer/setup/operator and the automation technology out there now is amazing, but I don't fear for my job and my salary only goes up.
There has never been an automated system that doesn't require human oversight. AI won't generate art or any other kind of product for itself, it's prompted by a human for a human audience. Only the lazy artists are complaining because theyve had it so good, but in reality we haven't seen any new artists emerge in the western world for decades.
What happened to beautiful architecture? My city has suburban sections built in the 50s with scenic art deco homes, new sections are square cutout series of townhouses built cheaply and perfectly with the same prefabricated grey rock facades.
What happened to the amazing looking cars? You could tell what year a car was from by its looks between the 50s and the 80s, but todays cars dont look that different from what we had in the 90s unless theyre unaffordable supercars or teslas.
What happened to fashion? Computer programmers used to show up to work with suits and trimmed beards. Now they have nose rings, blue hair and ripped tee shirts.
Fuck modern art and artists. They deserve to be replaced for the eyesores they have surrounded us with for so long.
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So your idea to bring back artistic creativity is to turn all art into input parameters and make a machine produce it? Where is your art, bro? Show me your works. What traditional artists do you follow? Your false indignation is a mask for your resentment. That's all these arguments ever boil down to. You are full of hatred, so you want to savor the pain of others. This isn't necessarily about bringing back the artistic movements of the past. It's that contrarians like you are pissed off at the world but see no way to restore it.
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You're screaming at the wrong tree, in the wrong forest, in the wrong country.
lmao
I'm not running a company or anything but I'm already planning to use it to create character portraits and textures for games, then use ChatGPT or something to develop backstories for them, all things that I probably would have hired someone to make at some point. Then again maybe I won't ever finish it either so who cares.
>But has there been cases of people getting fired and replaced with AI yet?
I work as an artist in the game industry and no I haven't heard of anything like that.
But most professional artists I know primarily do 3D CG and AI doesn't really do that yet.
There hasn't been much demand for painterly 2D art in a commercial sense in a long time. If you do that stuff you most likely do it as a hobby. At most you might have a side hustle doing furry porn or something. I draw as a hobby too. I'm not going to stop in a post-AI world, because I actually enjoy doing it.
>But has there been cases of people getting fired and replaced with AI yet?
none what do ever
it's just hysteria
ai isn't good enough to replace any professional
but
it is good enough to replace patroen coom artgays by lesser artgays/amateurs who can fix up hands though
But this isn't true. The actual valuable artists who work at eg video game companies and shit have always seen it as their job to solve art problems, not just produce art. I don't tell them to draw x and y, I tell them go figure out how big the furniture grid should be so it still feels comfortable on screen. Or figure out whether the icons will get too busy if we show the character class on a map pin, etc. Those are the ones who see AI as just another tool and will flourish
Just delusional energy all around. The "AI" shit is more so another tool than a replacement. Similar sort of tools exist in the music production realm also, specifically the music theory stuff which can generate all sorts of compositions.
The only people it hurts are the people that bastardized the craft from the get-go. making it a job where an artist can enjoy the fruits of their labor instantly is fucked. It never was like this with art before, why they make it all gay and complicated, who knows? Their warped perspective on the craft may be doomed, but the craft will still be around regardless.
The "craft" doesn't matter. The process doesn't matter either. What matters is the product and sometimes the story behind its making. The only reason people are not completely replaced is because creativity is not something a computer can have and the subjective value of the name of the person who made the piece
There is a big market on twitter and a couple other platforms where artists take commissions for shit like >draw anime girl X bent over legs spread farting with huge nipples visible >draw furry dog diaper fetish scene
and an AI bot can do all of these things. All of the horny welfare NEETs feeding these artists cash can now generate infinite new degenerate monstrosities for themselves in a couple minutes. The "artists" who are most threatened and complaining are just porn producers
Of course it affects people. It's like the change from 2d to 3d in games, or automated farming. It completely changes the game.
All value (money) is created from scarcity. AI floods the market. They are farmers unwilling to change the way they farm, as farmers with tractors and new fertilizers are outcompeting them.
The sensible thing would be to adapt their work. Learn how to use AI. Then use their skills to touch things up. A smart farmer would learn how a tractor works, because their other skills and experience should put them ahead of just a guy with a tractor and no farming experience.
But who gets hit the first? The most worthless of artists. It's not like those who've monetised them drawing on their tablet or painting for livestreams will cease getting money. Newspapers are technically obsolete and so is radio, but things always have their own appeal. Human made art will always exist and have some value. It's just that retards that had some value due to having some art skill can't even beat someone who uses AI.
There will be artists in the coming years who rely 100% on using AI to serve clients.
>It looks like most of their woes are self-inflicted from the thought of AI taking over art.
Dingdingding. These are mentally ill morons that don't understand that AI can't be copyrighted, so corporate artists' jobs are gonna be safe, since corps demand a stranglehold on their IP. There is literally no practical use in a corporate setting for AI art that isn't also tedious and boring work that artists hate working on too, things like editing stock photos or clipart. Oh no, the graphic design intern might have to spend their time doing something more useful, what a horrible thing for everybody!
corporations as we know them are no longer going to exist. They're all based on profiting off providing goods and services that nobody is going to be able to afford anymore.
They're all propped up by the labour of human beings which is going to be replaced by AI. But the labour itself isn't going to be necessary anymore. There's no point in coke continuing to manufucture their bottles and cans of syrup if no one is going to buy them anymore. Or, at least, there will be much less people able to buy them, so , there'll be no point in manufacturing their products at the current scale.
Every single good and service you can think of is going to be exclusively for the elite because they will be the only consumers.
As for the rest of us, look at , I don't know, africa, syria, india, brazil, places like that. Thats our future standard of living.
Or China - look at China and all those labour slaves. Fuck you think you're a wave slage now? Oh sweetie.
And thats if you get a job at all. Look to china if you want an idea of what the workforce is going to look like from now on.
You know how jeff bezos brutally exploits factory workers in china? There is no magical reason why he would never do that to factory workers here as long as he can get away with it. And now he and everybody like him will be able to get away with it.
>It looks like most of their woes are self-inflicted from the thought of AI taking over art
You cracked the code. That's what it is, basically. (Stock photo photographers are in danger, however)
>Despite what the locals may think, there is nothing intrinsically illogical or impossible about having a genuine, functioning Utopia, or removing badness without removing goodness, or pain without pleasure, or suffering without excitement…
He should just get a real job and do art as a hobby. Its what most people do. The follow your passion stuff is just a meme. People want to be an artist because it is a skill a child can do and its something were there isn't someone telling you how you ought to be doing it. That's why they are passionate they want self autonomy. The thing is, if they just tried other things and did some personal exploration they would find other things that they could enjoy and be passionate about. Things that could actually pay money. AI art can be depressing because what it says of art philosophically, but banning it doesn't really change that. I think AI art is a good counter balance to modern art because it will force art to think about ascetic again rather than what strange and vague message a piece can send. I have felt artist haven't had anything interesting to say for as long as I have been alive and adopting a more classical don't put too much of yourself into the work approach would be a breath of fresh air. They should honestly develop themselves more as people before they try to push a message because they think it will make their art better.
Yup
“Art” is a dying form. It will always exist but it mostly does today under other names. Memes are art. A lot of things are actually art but are not named such. While named art is shit.
Memes are art by the common people for the common people. They express emotion and related feeling so way they have become a standard form of communication. Honestly if artist weren't such elitist they would recognize memes as art that achieved the modern art ideal of being less conventionally ascetic and more about what they mean.
>"I don't really want to offend you, but I kinda want just really rendered pieces in here. Like stuff at an AI Art level".
Kek, I assure you 100% all of these are troll posts.
ok buddy... 35 year old south asian mal order bride making instant oatmeal before her nursing job, with 2 gaygy hapa boys watching tiktok on their phones, best I can do~
its either farming karma to sell the account to chinks or BOT/kiwifarms being edgy again with raids by making troll accounts on reddit, posting crap, and then posting screenshots here or on discord.
you're about to be living without eletricity. Where do you think the eletricity to power all the AI is going to come from. There's not enough of it to go around
yeh I know. Whats your point.
my point was also that we're not actually going to have electricity even available as a resource we can pay for.
We don't even really need it anyway. Its a luxury.
Which AI can make gay furry porn for me based on 2 characters I provide (not describing them in prompts) in 2023? None. The artists I'm paying are safe (for now).
Fake libertard "art" is a waste of resources. They even can't use any cool drugs like LSD anymore, LSD is more common in STEM than art. Art is not a major, it's a hobby. By automating art, we weed out 90% of the scene of blm bleeding heart "artists" and the people who have no taste and want machine stamped kitsch. The AI will get better over time, and the remaining 10% can continue producing true art for those with taste and the wallet to afford real art.
Hell, with the current state of Hollywood, AI can write far better scripts than hollywood "screenwriters" do
>Hell, with the current state of Hollywood, AI can write far better scripts than hollywood "screenwriters" do
For mass-produced capeshit-tier shlock it has real potency in churning out flicks, maybe even whole animated movies. Hollywood garden gnomes seems like too much of a syndicate to be taken down but they may start relying on it someday.
This.
I dont really care if ai art takes over since it isn't going to stop me being creative and drawing. If anything it will be a fun tool to use like photoshop is today. >although we likely won't see any opensource ai projects for awhile.
AI art can easily be spotted by the naked eye. Once it gets really good such that we can't spot it is when artists truly will get replaced by it. So far it doesn't compete with really good art, it all looks the same.
Why don't all these digital artists kill themselves over all the art supplies companies they fucked over by using Wacom and Photoshop? Or is that different somehow, because it benefited them?
People malding about AI are too stupid to realize that it's just another tool to expand their creative workflow, which tells me they weren't that much creative in the first place.
This shit makes three.js scenes for me, these retards don't understand the fun I'm having.
I just need to understand the problem I want to solve and achieve desired results through trial and error. What you're learning here is a new language.
Art is going to be a conversation.
>ensuring that work will no longer exist in the near future.
Why do you want to prolong work that is a wasted effort in comparison to something more efficient? It seems like a complacent and greedy opinion to have.
Buying shit with money which, at the bottom of the supply chain, likely began as critical resources?
No it doesn't. It makes the work more abstracted. There will be actuaries and technicians for what was previously a field dominated by artists and theorists, then the artists and theorists will move onto another project.
>There will be actuaries and technicians for what was previously a field dominated by artists and theorists, then the artists and theorists will move onto another project.
No, if you want to know what artists and art is going to look like, check out what it looks like in dirt poor third world places.
They needn't worry about AI replacing them and their tools and craft. Its actually going right back to basics. Maybe even as primitive as finger painting on cave walls.
I think people will be distracted by more pressing concerns though, like, basic survival in a brutal third world dystopia and probable war zone.
Artists killing themselves over machine learning art instead of killing themselves over REAL SHIT like having to interact with the DirectX 12 API. SMDH.
So we should stop the progress of technology that could help people because a few artists don't like it? If we stopped doing something everything someone killed themself over it, nothing would get done.
>twitter.com/reddit_lies/status/1610669909842825222
Depth down, even leftie know their arts are trash for years and AI can do much better in matter of seconds. By guilt tripping people they think they can somehow win this battle. Censorship is their ultimate card after all.
The fact of the matter is disruptions will always happen. Art also has NEVER BEEN IMMUNE TO AUTOMATION. Case in point there used to be artists who did nothing but a portraits, and it was a skill. They pretty much went the way of the dodo bird when photography came into play. Sure artists still paint portraits for people who desire them but that's a neich demand and not the conventional means of getting an accurate means of a person.
There are so many examples, automobiles taking over the horse and carriage industry, phone switchboard operators, Lamplighters replaced by electric lights, quartz watches replacing what was once a very skilled craft. The list goes on.
No in defense of arts not all these disruptions were good? I mean there was a time for example milk men were a thing before refrigeration was consumer friendly, a people say the milk was better back then. But the demand just isn't there and thus thst went away too.
>a people say the milk was better back then
Bet they liked being cucked by the milkman kek
>twitter.com/reddit_lies/status/1610669909842825222
Depth down, even leftie know their arts are trash for years and AI can do much better in matter of seconds. By guilt tripping people they think they can somehow win this battle. Censorship is their ultimate card after all.
>even leftie know their arts are trash for years and AI can do much better in matter of seconds
And we have winner. Seriously, look at all those """"protests""" on twitter of """real artists""" against AI art, their shit was "tumblr fanart"-tier at best and "literally Paint drawing from devianart"-tier at worst, yet they/them thought that gallery of crap was some sort of checkmate while the computer can churn out a baroque painting in seconds
Taking away the milk man hurt the ecosystem. >there was a bird that became adapted to milk men bottles, having longer beaks that previous generations. Just so they could rip open the foil coving the bottle and could eat the milk solid on the top.
AI is different than any other tech we had, everything you said created new areas that demanded more people, but the way AI works and learns, it can catch up to any new task that a human could possibly do. There’s no point beyond AI, we’re building our obsolescence.
The biggest issue with AI seems to be how it could create wealth transfers from poor class to rich.. AI might make it less costly for companies like Disney to hire graphic artists and web developers when they can just pay a data analyst less to feed prompts to an AI engine.
>AI might make it less costly for companies like Disney to hire graphic artists and web developers when they can just pay a data analyst less to feed prompts to an AI engine
Yet these loony chuds won't shittalk disney or any other company but blame the "tech bros"
This is the part I find most amusing about this shitfest. They could have spun this debate into something all sides can agree on, hating giant corporations. But as usual, the twitter mob is full of chud retards that once again target everyday people just having fun, like the good little corporate minions they are.
>the twitter mob is full of chud retards that once again target everyday people just having fun, like the good little corporate minions they are
Exhibit A: The app made by Tencent and the absolute silence these gays went through (except when they cried about muh diversity in a fucking anime db). Guess giving their data to the ccp is not a bad thing for these retards.
Ehhhh, fuck the artists
Most of the really good ones have all fucked off on Patreon, and what's remaining are extremely stingy on commission, they won't do this, they won't do that and they won't do commissions that's too specific
Fuck that
With shitty RPG Maker games, we had artists that made a game but can't program. The other way around is not quite as common. With this technology, in the future, we can have the other way around
>be "artist" >love the attention, money. >the creativity is whatever, i don't care. >people pay me to draw gay furry cocks cumming over Belgian medieval villages for some reason. >a computer program gets created >it can create dripping Belgian medieval villages >it can create photorealistic glistening animal cocks >people flock to it instead of paying me and begging me to complete their art >my meager source of non-government-handout money is gone >my meager source of attention-whoring is gone >nobody begs me to finish shading their fursona's ballsack anymore >time to kill myself
This is like the wave of Elsa Spiderman gore videos that ended up on YouTube Kids, fucking hilarious >now filters bad art
Yeah, they can all move onto globohomo animation and duke it out there for 1-season forgettable cartoons now
That's because you're a bluepilled boomer who has never spent time thinking over pedagogy. Technology is the desirable death of Prussian model schooling.
Next time just become a plumber and do art on the side, as it was always meant to be.
Art was always a cutthroat industry because there are so few jobs and so many people that want to do this, but it was fine because a few big fish could profit. Now part of these big fishes (and new artists that are clueless about the industry) feel threatened so they whine a lot.
A job is doing something someone else wants for money. Nobody wants your art. It's not a job, it's a hobby.
>Computer, generate an inari fox shrine in medieval Japan. Now fill it with 42 kitsune girls. Have them all be in heat with servile personalities. Disengage safety protocols.
Weak mental
Hearing about the AI Art fuss just made me more interested in art in general, and actually learn it.
Sure you could generate your idea, or you could draw it with your own skill.
Nothing wrong with AI tho.
Good job BOTcucks this is going to be future for art in the near future.
AI protection Art curation of the future, >NDAs required to filled, signed and notarized before viewing. >Phones camera and all electronic devices are prohibited. Phones and cameras locked will be inspected. >Sketching or using anything to gain a reference is strictly prohibited. >Artwork will be placed in a hermetically sealed room in vacuum that also acts as as Faraday cage. Viewing will be possible from windows that can be shuttered. >Viewing times will be limited and recorded vai facial recognition and eye tracking to 2minutes. Attempting to view art after this time will result in the shutters closing before you can see the art. >Speaking of the names of work or describing them will be prohibited.
This is just music to my ears
Most of those " artist" are nothing but liberal fans who lives from drawing cartoon characters from show and get other ppl horny over them.
Now they are replaced you want a cute animal waifu ? Well I just type the prompt and get it in less waiting time and for fking free.
Didn't the all the great masters of art since antiquity have a gaggle of students that did grunt work according to instructions given by their master?
Are these furry artists trying to tell me Proserpina's plump, delicious body isn't real art?
>Didn't the all the great masters of art since antiquity have a gaggle of students that did grunt work according to instructions given by their master?
Yes, a "Masterpiece" was something an apprentice made that was a good enough copy of the master he'd put his name to it. >Are these furry artists trying to tell me Proserpina's plump, delicious body isn't real art?
Probably.
Modern art education tell you individuality is far more important than "slavish imitation."
all the shit ones got replaced by pajeets a long time ago, no worries
there is no equivalent of twitter chuds slinging 20$ YCH, at least not in North America
What makes the artists seething sad and pathetic is, no code monkey thinks on his job as his defining identity and derive all his worth from it, it's just a job when it comes down to it.
Nobody ever asks of ai code, "but does it have soul?" only that it works.
shit tier bait, obviously art has been something people do for fun since humanity fucking started. artists just try to turn it into their job so they can do what they truly like and not just wageslave for a big company
yes
please stop, i can only get so erect
Deadittors lel
Why do we hate artists?
So if someone doesn't piss in jars, you'd be more sympathetic?
NTA but yeah, there is nothing artistic about a jar of piss or a banana taped to a wall. Anyone who says otherwise deserves the rope
It doesn't take much to post edit ai work also how are you going to reliably determine what is AI created?
>artists are total assholes in general
Says the one who claims to relish in schadenfreude against a group of people they don't even know or likely have ever interacted with in their lives, on a generalization that's not all that well thought out in the first place.
Literally like saying: "I want to replace all coders because all coders are smelly nerds who think they're superior because they code in C instead of Rust." Literally an echo box argument without any nuance, made by someone who just hates artists because they saw a couple memes about modern art.
This reads like an AI trained on female reddit posts
This post reads like a GPT3 generated post fine-tune specifically on low effort shitposts.
>mirroring
See the mind of a self described artist
Can only mimic and parasitize
>no argument
Kek, so this is the power of AI "artists"?
You are children playing with toys literally powered on art made by others.
You have zero say in anything which constitutes art. You don't make it. Simple.
You “argue” like A.I.
Mimicking and parasitizing
Your arguments are weak
Simple you’re the proverbial fart
>Your arguments are weak
Says the one without an argument.
Your personality is disgusting
That you turned your disgusting ego into a livelihood illustrates the beauty of natural selection
Bye bye turd
Completely non creative, ineffective arguments
Non productive, entirely parasitic
This is why A.I. is replacing you
Because you choose to act like a robot, but you’re not even useful like one
>You are children playing with toys literally powered on art made by others.
We might as well be. You, however, ARE the toy powered on art made by others.
>You are children playing with toys
So, Artists ?
The AI is no different than any human artist. It was trained by studying art. It learned how to classify and qualify art. Now it makes new art based on what it learned.
The AI learned to combine a bunch of images together without cognitive direction, only verbal guidance and 1s and 0s.
The AI is not the prompter, just like the AI is not the artist. A good distinction to make when you're talking about art, a reflection of the artist.
This. AI isn't even AI. It's an algorithm.
It would be like telling Alexa to make a playlist of your favorite songs. It follows an algorithm from Spotify or Apple Music and spits out what it thinks you'll like, with no concern over itself or you. It's not intelligent in that regard, just a data combination algorithm. But in this regard, it's trying to emulate the music in the playlist, rather than simply assemble it.
Cope seethe and fart, furry porn paintpig
>their lives
He or she
Their their is a correct word to use here because it's unknown whether it's a he or a she.
>inb4 no grulzzzz on the interwepz
I went to a liberal arts school and I can safely say that all artists are whiny gays, even the right wing ones.
Also I agree with
while I'm not getting any schadenfreude out of this I'll just mention that I've interacted with plenty of artists and it generally hasn't been pleasant
>Literally like saying: "I want to replace all coders because all coders are smelly nerds who think they're superior because they code in C instead of Rust."
Have you been on Twitter? That's pretty much what all the artist cunts were saying when they heard ChatGPT might be able to replace programmers. They're a bunch of hostile cunts for no reason other than they're miserable and entitled. You rarely see that same shit attitude with musicians or other types of creatives, it's always the fucking artists.
This.
I didn't see writers get butthurt when the language transformative models started rolling out.
I don't remember musicians throwing a hissy fit when AI jukeboxes started rolling out years ago.
It is now only artists acting like the world is fucking ending and skynet is coming when the same happens with images now.
Bunch of unlikable cunts, seeing from all the interactions with artists I've had in here and outside this place.
>Bunch of unlikable cunts, seeing from all the interactions with artists I've had in here and outside this place.
They're all so entitled, too. Boo hoo I might not get to live my dream of being an artist because of AI, which is first of all just such a fucking cuck mentality, and second of all, that's just how life is for artists. Every single musician I know is either a full-time teacher, or does music on the side next to their real job. The writers I know are working on building an audience while being a salaryman.
These people are never good enough to art teachers, they just want to be paid to doodle like a child forever. Pic fucking related, one of these "professional artists" AI is going to replace (and that's a good thing).
Both are true. Artists and coders deserve to be automated away.
This anon explained it to me so that I could understand it. I would like to thank him. I was just thinking about this yesterday. What is the source of life energy, so to speak, that created it? I wasn't so sure. But with that attitude I can see that it clearly is the prompter.
>First, any time someone is butthurt like this it is funny.
Everyone for the 'democratization' of art via AI renderers has to be fucking retarded. I have seen no good argument for it.
what argument, anyone can use it and make "art" now instead of years of training... assuming they can fix shit like hands and stuff
there is no voting involved, the end goal of ai image generation is total replacement of artgays in the commercial sector... it just isn't able to yet
>the end goal of ai image generation is total replacement of artgays in the commercial sector... it just isn't able to yet
That's isn't the point, moron. It is whether you want to establish that precedent, and take that power out of the hands of the individuals who produce the art, and fork it over to corporations, and the government in particular. But I don't expect english-speakers to be able to think that far.
>fork it over to corporations
and yet artshits were silent when Dalle2 was revealed over a year ago... and only started bitching when individual anons using an open source software started pumping out waifu shit that directly competed with them on online galleries... how curious
Modern art is post modern leftist bullshit. It needs to be destroyed.
Contemporary Fine Art is going to be completely unaffected by AI
>leftist bullshit.
retarded, it's there for tax-dodging embezzlement scams, they will just use ai like anything else:
https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2022/11/17/moma-ai-art/
This all looks like shit. NVidia can't even prompt correctly.
It's Art, looking good has nothing to do with "Art."
Only uneducated plebs care about shit looking pretty.
There is no back story to these. It's generated in 3 seconds by a computer. If it doesn't look good, then it has nothing going for it and therefore is shit.
t. pleb
Maybe so. Explain one of them to me. Where's the Art?
>I need a backstory for Art
>explain it to me
filtered
sasuga, gay
I fell for your shitposts, hilarious
me on the left
you don't explain art, idiot, you just put money into it if you are rich enough
I don't hate artists, especially the ones who I follow on Twitter. I hate the luddites who slow technological progress because it's finally their turn to have something making big progress in their domains, but they want to hold back that back at everyone else's expense. A lot of those people are artists though, but it's no the artist part I hate
this is not a technology that will benefit you or 99% of humanity, at least not in the long term. And that long term maybe be shorter, and come around sooner, then you think.
For one, if you're working in tech you're about to lose your job to it.
okay, have a nice day
why?
Why not? Ai can replace your shit posts.
It will benefit humanity, you’re just too dishonest to admit it and you’d rather keep the majority of earth servile and miserable for your degenerate needs and whims.
We’re already ruled by sociopathic pedophiles who murder and torture people for fun. Might as well give real AI a chance.
>It will benefit humanity, you’re just too dishonest to admit it and you’d rather keep the majority of earth servile and miserable for your degenerate needs and whims.
not at all, I'm not talking what I want. I'm talking about what I don't want.
>We’re already ruled by sociopathic pedophiles who murder and torture people for fun.
And they're going to magically become benign because AI? Listen to yourself anon. And I'm not even sold on the idea that all of the elite are pedovores but I'm supposed to be the cynical one here.
Arguing that we should dig holes with bare hands rather than shovels is simply a retarded take.
I'm not saying we should not utilise the technology. I'm saying we don't get to decide whether we can. And that we are probably not going to be given access to it , I mean, that we are not going to be given access to the majority of its capabilities or at the very least its strongest capabilities, is certain.
Simply because this technology replaces anything we are economically useful or necessary for.
So like, consider coca cola. A massive industry devoted to unnecessary, unhealthy consumables, basically very cheap luxury items.
It's all propped up on the ability for the masses, even the dirt poorest to at least occasionally purchase their products.
Companies like that are either going to massively contract or go out of existence.
Sure, its massively profitable, but the people at the very top of a company like Coke, those who are able to keep the largest profits for themselves, don't give a shit if the entire company goes out of existence or massively contracts and changes into something very different or at least, its not going to be a problem for them.
Those kinds of people are going to see the writing on the wall for the future of the economy and the work force and realise they'd better hold onto all the money and assets they can.
Confectionaries are no longer going to be available on that scale simply because the vast majority of people are no longer going to be able to afford frivolous shit like that.
and thats basically the story for the vast majority of consumer goods and services availabe right now.
They are all propped up by our labour. But AI not only means the companies providing these goods and services no longer need a human work force, it also means that they no longer have a market as big as they used to.
Any company providing anything to consumers will have a pool of consumers only as big as the wealthiest in society.
There will be way less consumers, but they will have way more money then most consumers currently do..if money exists at all. Why not just have your money free luxury communist utopia for the elite.
Dude, it's just computer programs. You completely missed the memo that the developers of AI are open source communists. So far OpenAI has published papers about how to replicate their AI. We're already seeing a massive industry forming around renting GPUs for making and training AI.
Also if AI is gatekept like you say it's going to be then we have nothing to worry about. For example, Google allegedly has an amazing AI yet we have yet to see anything from it.
>You completely missed the memo that the developers of AI are open source communists. So far OpenAI has published papers about how to replicate their AI.
availabe via these things we're talking to each other now called computers, and the internet, which cost money, and are powered by eletricity.
There's no open source for a person living in abject poverty or anyone who just for whatever reason doesn't have access to a computer or the internet.
The developers of AI are going to be the only people left in the tech industry and they're going to be wealthy and powerful. You don't think they realise that what they've developed is going to exclude most people from the work force and having a decent life, and put themselves into an extremely privileged position? It doesn't mean they're nefarious, but faced with the option of being in our position or theirs, what do you think they're going to choose? They've created a monster and they see what the implications of it are.
>So far OpenAI has published papers about how to replicate their AI. We're already seeing a massive industry forming around renting GPUs for making and training AI.
You need resources and money to do any of those things and we don't get to decide whether we have access to the requisite resources and money.
The military is going to be one of the very few fields of employment. They are going to form an important part of the upper / over class. They're going to be faced with the alternative of, tow the line and follow the orders you're given or join the majority in their desperate and miserable position.
They are most likely going to be taking property and resources from people and preventing them from acquiring property and resources.
>or anyone who just for whatever reason doesn't have access to a computer or the internet.
moron fucking cobalt-mining slaves in Ghana have cell phones now, the fuck are you talking about?
And they're still cobalt mining slaves. And they wouldn't be able to do shit if the powers that be decided not to allow them to have phones anymore.
The fact that cobalt mining slaves exist at all demonstrates that we ourselves are screwed and destined for that life as well.
I mean, you don't do anything to help them or really care about them. What makes you think someone with more money, power and privelage then you, will give a shit about you if you fall into a similar position, and not just allow it to happen, and live off of your misery to prop up their quality of life.
Your last argument was btfo and now you have to focus on how we're not helping fucking African slaves (conveniently ignoring the billions in aid American taxpayers have collectively spent trying to help people in those corrupt countries)? The point was that in free countries even people in total poverty have access to unlimited information which makes your argument retarded.
>(conveniently ignoring the billions in aid American taxpayers have collectively spent trying to help people in those corrupt countries)?
And notice how it doesn't lift any of them out of their situation?
Thats because it has to go through the hands of the most powerful in their countries.
Notice how when the powerful have the means to help the masses and lift them up they choose to hold onto those means and keep them for themselves as well? They hoard it all for themselves.
Its really no different anywhere in the world. The rich get richer the poor, at best, stay poor.
BOT used to be full of people well acquainted with how fundamentally unfair life and the world is.
Now its starting to look like its full of normies who've spent their lives coasting along the normie "flow of life" (have you seen that anti-self imporvement infographic / meme?)
People fully benefiting from the privelages of a first world middle class society.
I mean there was a time when BOT was at least a place for the outcasts and rejects of the privileged first world middle class, but now you're all straight up brads
>and keep them for themselves as well?
*keep them for themselves instead
What the fuck is your point? Go back to digging ditches with our hands? The fuck are you even talking about other than just rambling about how powerful people take the most for themselves, like yeah no fucking shit. What do you want people to do, what exactly are you yourself doing besides bitching about things on fucking BOT?
>What the fuck is your point? Go back to digging ditches with our hands?
You're stuck on what we should do, obviously we shouldn't do that.
I'm talking about what is actually going to happen. Yes, automation is going to dig the ditches for us. And that means no more human ditch diggers. Ditto for every single other job that humans currently do.
>The fuck are you even talking about other than just rambling about how powerful people take the most for themselves, like yeah no fucking shit.
Right. So thats whats going to continue to happen with AI, just on steroids.
Life as you and me know it is absolutely doomed. This is the final nail in the coffin of the middle class. Inequality is going to rise sharply, the gap between the wealthy and the poor is about to expand beyond your wildest dreams.
>What do you want people to do,
*shrugs* I have no idea what the fuck to do. But at least I'm confronting the reality. That is the first thing people are going to need to do before finding any sort of way forward IF there is one. I personally don't see how there could be any happy ending to this.
If you think reading my posts is schizo wait until awareness of this technology spreads throughout society and panic sets in.
AI apologists only have a point regarding AI art for as long as ONLY art gets automated, we find something that can make it cheaper and good enough, so there's no point in having the old thing anymore. These sort of changes happened progressively at different rates in different industries, in that situation "lol just make something that makes you money" is a valid response, however, this is coming for all industries and whatever you want to happen with your industry should be what you see in artists.
If you want gay communism, you should want gay communism for artists right now, because if you set a precedent on which you can profit from the massively collected data of a group of people and monetize it against them with no compensation, then that's exactly what's going to happen to you, and you'll be left to starve along everyone else that isn't part of the elite right now.
>you'll be left to starve along everyone else
If we only need human labor for upkeeping the machines that do 95% of the work for 3000% less cost, I would very happily accept a 95% reduction of the human population. What's happening instead is a welfare explosion.
I'm not even hopeful there will even be UBI. We're just going to be left to fend for ourselves.
No we aren't. We'd lynch every politician overnight if that happened. If they run out of gibs, they are 100% fucked.
this isn't the 1800's, nobody is getting lynched. You're also conveniently ignoring that any sort of violent revolution is going to be absolutely pointless and ineffective thanks to the defense capabilities that AI is going to provide. None of which the masses will have access to.
But, all of that aside.
Do you see indians violently lynching their politicians? No. Millions live in abject poverty and absolute squalor, the government provides no support and they get away with it.
You're right that it's not guaranteed people will do anything. If enough people want to do so though its not hard. Disabling the power grid is pretty easy, know I read a post here somewhere about that.
I think if there's a dramatic collapse that makes 70% of people start living on rats and bugs in a week they'll will be quick to fucking burn buildings just given the attitudes and politics we have. Maybe propagandists have the power to make it happen slowly enough so no one ever gets oppressed enough to try and organize.
>*shrugs* I have no idea what the fuck to do. But at least I'm confronting the reality
What you're doing is thinking you're superior for expecting doom and gloom, just like everybody else that does the same. When things eventually turn out okay and you're still stuck in the same place because you think trying is hopeless, you'll blame the system instead of your paralyzing fear and insecurity.
Me, I'm just learning how to use AI. Sink or swim bitch.
AI will do anything you try to do with it better than you.
It can already prompt better than you.
"learning how to use ai" lmao
>When things eventually turn out okay and you're still stuck in the same place because you think trying is hopeless, you'll blame the system instead of your paralyzing fear and insecurity.
Me, I'm just learning how to use AI. Sink or swim bitch.
and what the fuck are you going to do if I'm right.
>and what the fuck are you going to do if I'm right.
What the fuck are you going to do if an asteroid hits the world and kills everybody tomorrow, or if another mega-pandemic happens, or if the USA becomes a technophobic fascist Amish nation? Fucking nothing, because you can't control everything. Stop worrying about shit you can't control, and focus on the things you can.
>if this tool doesn't help them it is worthless.
Does that make a shovel pointless if some idiot cant figure out how to dig into the earth with it?
>doesn't lift any of them out of poverty
How the fuck would you know? I have met plenty of poor kids(including myself) who use old shitty hardware and ipen source solutions since we can't afford shit. It made us better at computers since we had the tools available to learn. If we didn't have open source we would basically never try since the tools were not there.
>What makes you think someone with more money, power and privelage then you, will give a shit about you if you fall into a similar position, and not just allow it to happen, and live off of your misery to prop up their quality of life.
NTA but because I know that nobody will help me, I'm not foolish enough to try and stand in the way of technological progress, and make the effort to keep up with it. Your argument can be used for every other technological advancement that led to automation, and just like all the other narcissistic artist cunts, you didn't give a shit until it happened to you. Fuck off, technology is amazing.
I'm not an artist and I agree that technology is amazing.
AI is unlike any other advance in technology from the past though. This is the end of the line for most of us.
Oh my goodness, I cannot believe what you just said! It's like you completely missed the whole point of my concerns about artificial intelligence. Just because some of the developers of AI are open source and publish papers about how to replicate their work, it doesn't mean there won't be any problems with who gets to control and use this technology. Like, just think about it, who has the resources to rent all those fancy GPUs for making and training AI? It's certainly not going to be the average Joe or Jane.
And just because Google hasn't released any major AI products yet, that doesn't mean they don't have some super advanced AI tucked away somewhere. They could be keeping it all secret and hush-hush, you know? Plus, just because someone calls themselves an "open-source communist" doesn't mean the big tech companies or their investors will follow suit. It's all about making money, and that's not always going to align with what's best for society.
In conclusion, just because some people make their AI developments open-source, it doesn't mean that the control and distribution of AI technology will be democratic and fair. We still have to be vigilant and make sure that the power and control of AI doesn't fall into the wrong hands.
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I like ChatGPT as a debate partner more. You just sound like a schizo.
>I like ChatGPT as a debate partner more.
you must be ok with losing the debate then.
>You just sound like a schizo.
Its starting to concern me how low the bar is for anons to start calling somebody schizo now.
The world is a mad place, have you considered that a person who honestly ponders and confronts that madness and takes it into consideration may come across as mad? The madness is still a reality. Schizo suggests someone who is out of touch with reality.
It didn't use to be like this on BOT and thats probably because you're all zoomers now. Millenials and gen xers were way less sheltered then you guys are.
Anon I can say without a doubt that you are not a fully functioning individual contributing to society and that's due to your mental illness.
correct, but you don't actually have any arguments against what I'm saying.
Nothing I'm saying is irrational - you've just surmised that I'm troubled and isolated, with a lot of time on my hands.
If only you knew how bad things really are. Must be nice to have a job to go to and friends to keep you placated and distracted .
The homeless man rambling on the street corner may be psychotic but he's still more in touch with and exposed to the harsh realities of this world.
No your inability to process information like a normal person makes you incapable of making judgments that are useful. Everything is biased by your schizo delusions so every topic simply ends up swirling around your bias. Further, you're actually incapable of maintaining incoherency, you ramble and can't keep your points straight. This makes you useless to talk to and why ChatGPT is way better at being the counter argument.
>Everything is biased by your schizo delusions
please point out what is delusional and how its delusional.
>every topic simply ends up swirling around your bias.
welcome to every debate ever.
>Further, you're actually incapable of maintaining incoherency, you ramble and can't keep your points straight.
no, its just too complicated for your verbal IQ. What you don't understand and what is too complex for you, looks incoherent to you.
This is BOT after all, I really should be discussing this on BOT or BOT.
>This makes you useless to talk to and why ChatGPT is way better at being the counter argument.
ChatGPT just made my points in language thats more simple for you to understand. But it basically just looks like a less intelligent person trying to say what I'm saying. Read a book goy
Maybe your bias against AI is based on the knowledge that if society was run by AI you would be taken off the internet because your inability to cope with reality is solely based on your chronic internet use.
>your inability to cope with reality is solely based on your chronic internet use.
Not solely but its probably a big contributor.
To me, though, denial demonstrates less of an ability to cope with reality then what I am demonstrating with my "schizo ramblings".
Look at the seven stages of grief. As you progress along those stages, you come to terms with reality more.
Right now you, and like, seemingly nearly all developers, are at the denial stage.
What you may be perceiving as mental instability, could just be you picking up on my stress associated with the later stages of the greiving process.
>You completely missed the memo that the developers of AI are open source communists.
but they don't get to make the rules do they. No way are the people powerful enough to actually make the rules going to implement anything like a communist utopia.
There will simply be no motive or incentive for them to help or benefit us in anyway because we will not be needed for anything and we will be no threat to them. They can just safely ignore our plight and miserable existence just like we in the first worlders go about our privelaged and comfy lives safely ignoring the pit of shit that the vast majority of the world lives. Oh, and actually benefiting off their exploitation and basically relying on their exploitation to prop up our standard of living.
I'm very impressed with Google lately
Yea but i dont have to drink coke. I can drink a cheap knock off version of it or learn to make it myself.
Same shit with this.
>the average person will be able to create beautiful artwork from their imagination with the assistance of AI and this is a bad thing
If artists can't figure out how to use AI to make their own artwork better then they deserve to be replaced.
>a subset of computer vision will not improve your life at all, goyim
go fuck yourself
You're right computer vision has many useful applications
It will benefit government surveillance, advertisers, spammers, identity thieves and autonomous killing machines.
And I'll be the one doing all of those. Lucky me huh? Eat shit, gay
yer probably too stupid for those jobs anyway, they need an systems engineer to oversee thousands of those, not a retard controlling each one
>but they want to hold back that back at everyone else's expense.
you understand that this is at their expense right?
and by this i don't mean that "artists are becoming obsolete" (they aren't), i mean that you are quite literally building this upon their backs.
it's honestly bizarre reading all these criticisms against artists. it all seems like projection. look at this thread: every single post talking about how hostile artists are are extremely hostile towards artists themselves. every post talking about how artists are entitled acts extremely entitled towards their own usage of AI art.
at least have some appreciation for this shit. the only reason any of it can look good is because somebody figured out how to make it look good.
i feel like artists should be pitied. yet i always see these weird inflammatory threads on here that try to paint the picture as if artists are trying to fuck you over.
>So artists are literally KILLING THEMSELVES and you still support AI art?
in reality they are just trying to protect themselves. if AI could make anything from scratch then it'd be a different issue.
they should also be pitied because what they're doing is pointless. it's like fighting progress, or fighting piracy.
instead thread like these wank themselves raw over the fact that these retards are doing something completely pointless. it's bizzare to me.
>Is AI art really affecting them in any practical sense?
obviously, yes. not the truly skilled ones because it will just be a tool for us. but people who are at a low-level (or are just generic) will have their skills completely invalidated because the average schmuck will be able to match them in skill level just by using AI.
>every post talking about how artists are entitled acts extremely entitled towards their own usage of AI art.
If you'd participated in artist twitter, DeviantArt or Tumblr at any point in the past 20 years you'd know that the artists have been entitled cunts since forever, which is why people have no issue behaving that way right back at them.
>i mean that you are quite literally building this upon their backs
Everything everybody makes it built on the backs of others. Nobody acts like this except artists.
>the only reason any of it can look good is because somebody figured out how to make it look good
The only reason 95% of the artists complaining even have a job is because of nerds in the 90s that made Photoshop and with it made creating art accessible to more people. This is the same thing, but this time it won't benefit them immediately so they hate it. That's just childish.
>Everything everybody makes it built on the backs of others.
but not quite in such a direct way. photoshop can't do anything to a blank canvas. it's not the foundation of any art, it's truly just a tool.
meanwhile AI is built directly on the back of artists. you pick and choose and essentially steal from them to create your own thing. this is not comparable at all. if artists complain about plagiarism, of course they will complain about this.
now the process isn't all that dissimilar from just a human artist taking inspiration (taking, stealing) from another artist(s). which is why ultimately this is fine, as long as it stays out of plagiarism and stealing territory.
still, it is dishonest to compare this process to photoshop and similar things.
you are not making something new USING the foundation they created, you are using their work AS the foundation for your work. except in this case you aren't even using your own expertise to filter their work, you're making the AI do that.
i went on a tangent here but ultimately i'm just trying to say that most of the people ITT have no room to berate artists for their entitlement or hostility. it doesn't make you any more likeable than the retards you are trying to paint as the devil here.
threads like these just lead to more stupid binary thinking and tribalism.
>but not quite in such a direct way. photoshop can't do anything to a blank canvas
Well sampling's a thing in music, that's been fine for decades and everybody does it. That just wasn't possible with art due to Disney's stranglehold on all things visual copyright. What artists don't realize is that the way things are is NOT how things are meant to be, you're not meant to be able to hold onto copyright for decades and centuries, it's supposed to encourage people to create new things, instead of profiting off of old creations for eternity. The only reason people look at it as stealing is because of the way The Mouse has shaped copyright and visual trademarks.
So philosophically, unless it's a model trained specifically to emulate the style of a single artist in order to impersonate them, then no, it's not plagiarism and artists have nothing to complain about.
>except in this case you aren't even using your own expertise to filter their work, you're making the AI do that
You remind me of what my art teacher used to say back when photoshop and CGI was gaining traction around the year 2000, that's it's not real creativity, it's not real art, it's the computer doing everything. Almost word for word, it's incredible.
>You remind me of what my art teacher used to say back when photoshop and CGI was gaining traction around the year 2000, that's it's not real creativity, it's not real art, it's the computer doing everything. Almost word for word, it's incredible.
except what i said is completely true while your art teacher is a retard. in fact my entire post is about the difference in photoshop as a tool vs AI so that you'd make this point is boggling my mind.
and by the way, i'm not saying it's not real creativity or anything like that. there is no such thing really anyway.
They have been bad allies in the fight against automation for us wagies and laborers. Fuck em.
>bad allies
I just find it funny after years and years of
>machines might take your job but mine will always be safe *draws some doodles and calls it art*
yet now it looks like machines will take the jobs of artists before they can even replace burger flippers.
i only hate digital art(ist)
i only hate artists that don't draw dicky
An Elder walks among us.
>tfw you can feed the AI all the drawings of anti dicky artists
>tfw you can generate dicky in their artstyle and they won't be able to do anything about it
I love AI.
I'm a software dev. I have a comfy, high paying, low-stress job. I'm both very excited and fearful about AI. Excited from all the possibilities. But very fearful because people are saying AI is starting to take over software dev jobs next. I'd say maybe 10-15 more years until my job is completely eliminated similarly to how AI has eliminated artists'.
However, the one difference between artists and software devs are that we don't cry and whine and try to ban AI.
>I'm a software dev. I have a comfy, high paying, low-stress job. I'm both very excited and fearful about AI. Excited from all the possibilities. But very fearful because people are saying AI is starting to take over software dev jobs next. I'd say maybe 10-15 more years until my job is completely eliminated similarly to how AI has eliminated artists'.
typical BOT shitter LARPing as a dev
99% of people on BOT and reddit dont know how AI works and if they do they are dishonest about it, go fuck yourself
inb4 "fuck you *insert artist insult* "
Lol cope and seethe low-pay wagie.
AI now is nowhere near able to replace us software devs. That's why I said 10-15 years given how fast AI improves.
If anything, it'll eliminate lower level software devs which obviously will affect us (lower wages/benefits because of supply vs demand, even more competition, etc).
That's nothing. I remember the year of the Snowden like it was yesterday.
only hate the retards overreacting like the sky is falling
really your art should stand out even more now
they laughed when blue collar people got replaced by AI now that it affects them its the end of the world
I don't, I just know they are chronic drama queens and won't feed into it by giving them attention
I don't hate them. I just hate the snarky ones on Twitter who post basic ass shit then get angry and scream if their mid art which they released to the public for free is reposted or used as a pfp or anything. They demand way too much money and think their art is special.
>scream if their mid art which they released to the public for free is reposted or used as a pfp or anything.
Damn it you're supposed to go to their Patreon and pay their living wage to see the rest not share their ads and certainly not use it to train an AI on it.
>Why do we hate artists?
Self-hate is a common thing.
t. artist
only art I enjoy comes from Japan and dead people, westcucks can all go hang, I don't care
I hate ALL luddites, regardless of profession. One of my best friends is n artist and he's not a gay twitter-luddite.
Is AI art really affecting them in any practical sense?
It looks like most of their woes are self-inflicted from the thought of AI taking over art.
But I don't follow art outside of the boorus and even then I don't really care.
Actually, how do these nerds make money in the first place? Are they really just living off commissions? Do they bag groceries on the side?
They don't just produce still images with no purpose other to exist right? They must be doing art for video games, some kind of graphic design stuff, or merchandise for brands, right??
Most artists produce shovelware unoriginal shit and can't compete against automation because they lack creativity and don't really add value. The artists are not worried because AI is just another tool, like a camera. The people that are worried are the illustrators, self dubbed "artists" that only do the tasks their employer or client ask them.
They are the equivalent of manual labor getting replaced by robots and they are desperate because they thought they were irreplaceable and now an algo is making them obsolete. They are so far up their asses they don't have any other skill
But has there been cases of people getting fired and replaced with AI yet?
I think it's pretty dumb to go all baby mode on the internet over something that hasn't even happened. I'll be more fine with them whining if their fears are actually being realized.
But, I guess you're right. They are a bunch of whiners, it takes a special kind of person to become an "artist."
They are scared because they are looking at a computer progream that does something just like them instantly for almost nothing. It is just a matter of time
It's only a matter of time until factories are run by robots but THAT still hasn't happened yet. Imagine if you were betting your life savings on self-driving cars that have been "around the corner" for the last 10 years and probably have another 10 years to go. That's half a career's worth of time, imagine not being a truck driver in 2012 because you heard of automated trucks.
I'm a CNC programmer/setup/operator and the automation technology out there now is amazing, but I don't fear for my job and my salary only goes up.
There has never been an automated system that doesn't require human oversight. AI won't generate art or any other kind of product for itself, it's prompted by a human for a human audience. Only the lazy artists are complaining because theyve had it so good, but in reality we haven't seen any new artists emerge in the western world for decades.
What happened to beautiful architecture? My city has suburban sections built in the 50s with scenic art deco homes, new sections are square cutout series of townhouses built cheaply and perfectly with the same prefabricated grey rock facades.
What happened to the amazing looking cars? You could tell what year a car was from by its looks between the 50s and the 80s, but todays cars dont look that different from what we had in the 90s unless theyre unaffordable supercars or teslas.
What happened to fashion? Computer programmers used to show up to work with suits and trimmed beards. Now they have nose rings, blue hair and ripped tee shirts.
Fuck modern art and artists. They deserve to be replaced for the eyesores they have surrounded us with for so long.
gay
So your idea to bring back artistic creativity is to turn all art into input parameters and make a machine produce it? Where is your art, bro? Show me your works. What traditional artists do you follow? Your false indignation is a mask for your resentment. That's all these arguments ever boil down to. You are full of hatred, so you want to savor the pain of others. This isn't necessarily about bringing back the artistic movements of the past. It's that contrarians like you are pissed off at the world but see no way to restore it.
You're screaming at the wrong tree, in the wrong forest, in the wrong country.
lmao
I'm not running a company or anything but I'm already planning to use it to create character portraits and textures for games, then use ChatGPT or something to develop backstories for them, all things that I probably would have hired someone to make at some point. Then again maybe I won't ever finish it either so who cares.
>But has there been cases of people getting fired and replaced with AI yet?
I work as an artist in the game industry and no I haven't heard of anything like that.
But most professional artists I know primarily do 3D CG and AI doesn't really do that yet.
There hasn't been much demand for painterly 2D art in a commercial sense in a long time. If you do that stuff you most likely do it as a hobby. At most you might have a side hustle doing furry porn or something. I draw as a hobby too. I'm not going to stop in a post-AI world, because I actually enjoy doing it.
>But has there been cases of people getting fired and replaced with AI yet?
none what do ever
it's just hysteria
ai isn't good enough to replace any professional
but
it is good enough to replace patroen coom artgays by lesser artgays/amateurs who can fix up hands though
But this isn't true. The actual valuable artists who work at eg video game companies and shit have always seen it as their job to solve art problems, not just produce art. I don't tell them to draw x and y, I tell them go figure out how big the furniture grid should be so it still feels comfortable on screen. Or figure out whether the icons will get too busy if we show the character class on a map pin, etc. Those are the ones who see AI as just another tool and will flourish
Just delusional energy all around. The "AI" shit is more so another tool than a replacement. Similar sort of tools exist in the music production realm also, specifically the music theory stuff which can generate all sorts of compositions.
The only people it hurts are the people that bastardized the craft from the get-go. making it a job where an artist can enjoy the fruits of their labor instantly is fucked. It never was like this with art before, why they make it all gay and complicated, who knows? Their warped perspective on the craft may be doomed, but the craft will still be around regardless.
The "craft" doesn't matter. The process doesn't matter either. What matters is the product and sometimes the story behind its making. The only reason people are not completely replaced is because creativity is not something a computer can have and the subjective value of the name of the person who made the piece
>creativity is not something a computer can have
Moron
There is a big market on twitter and a couple other platforms where artists take commissions for shit like
>draw anime girl X bent over legs spread farting with huge nipples visible
>draw furry dog diaper fetish scene
and an AI bot can do all of these things. All of the horny welfare NEETs feeding these artists cash can now generate infinite new degenerate monstrosities for themselves in a couple minutes. The "artists" who are most threatened and complaining are just porn producers
Of course it affects people. It's like the change from 2d to 3d in games, or automated farming. It completely changes the game.
All value (money) is created from scarcity. AI floods the market. They are farmers unwilling to change the way they farm, as farmers with tractors and new fertilizers are outcompeting them.
The sensible thing would be to adapt their work. Learn how to use AI. Then use their skills to touch things up. A smart farmer would learn how a tractor works, because their other skills and experience should put them ahead of just a guy with a tractor and no farming experience.
But who gets hit the first? The most worthless of artists. It's not like those who've monetised them drawing on their tablet or painting for livestreams will cease getting money. Newspapers are technically obsolete and so is radio, but things always have their own appeal. Human made art will always exist and have some value. It's just that retards that had some value due to having some art skill can't even beat someone who uses AI.
There will be artists in the coming years who rely 100% on using AI to serve clients.
>It looks like most of their woes are self-inflicted from the thought of AI taking over art.
Dingdingding. These are mentally ill morons that don't understand that AI can't be copyrighted, so corporate artists' jobs are gonna be safe, since corps demand a stranglehold on their IP. There is literally no practical use in a corporate setting for AI art that isn't also tedious and boring work that artists hate working on too, things like editing stock photos or clipart. Oh no, the graphic design intern might have to spend their time doing something more useful, what a horrible thing for everybody!
corporations as we know them are no longer going to exist. They're all based on profiting off providing goods and services that nobody is going to be able to afford anymore.
They're all propped up by the labour of human beings which is going to be replaced by AI. But the labour itself isn't going to be necessary anymore. There's no point in coke continuing to manufucture their bottles and cans of syrup if no one is going to buy them anymore. Or, at least, there will be much less people able to buy them, so , there'll be no point in manufacturing their products at the current scale.
Every single good and service you can think of is going to be exclusively for the elite because they will be the only consumers.
As for the rest of us, look at , I don't know, africa, syria, india, brazil, places like that. Thats our future standard of living.
Or China - look at China and all those labour slaves. Fuck you think you're a wave slage now? Oh sweetie.
And thats if you get a job at all. Look to china if you want an idea of what the workforce is going to look like from now on.
You know how jeff bezos brutally exploits factory workers in china? There is no magical reason why he would never do that to factory workers here as long as he can get away with it. And now he and everybody like him will be able to get away with it.
>It looks like most of their woes are self-inflicted from the thought of AI taking over art
You cracked the code. That's what it is, basically. (Stock photo photographers are in danger, however)
Smut, anon.
These "artists" are no longer needed for people to recreate their wicked fetishes.
ye
Great art is borne through pain and necessity, and modern painters have grown bloated through nfts and patreons teat
I'm guessing pic unrelated?
Most related pic possible
Van Gogh sliced his own ear off and never achieved recognition until after death
>Despite what the locals may think, there is nothing intrinsically illogical or impossible about having a genuine, functioning Utopia, or removing badness without removing goodness, or pain without pleasure, or suffering without excitement…
chuds were always going to kill themselves though
Well I didn't, but now you've kind of talked me into it
He should just get a real job and do art as a hobby. Its what most people do. The follow your passion stuff is just a meme. People want to be an artist because it is a skill a child can do and its something were there isn't someone telling you how you ought to be doing it. That's why they are passionate they want self autonomy. The thing is, if they just tried other things and did some personal exploration they would find other things that they could enjoy and be passionate about. Things that could actually pay money. AI art can be depressing because what it says of art philosophically, but banning it doesn't really change that. I think AI art is a good counter balance to modern art because it will force art to think about ascetic again rather than what strange and vague message a piece can send. I have felt artist haven't had anything interesting to say for as long as I have been alive and adopting a more classical don't put too much of yourself into the work approach would be a breath of fresh air. They should honestly develop themselves more as people before they try to push a message because they think it will make their art better.
Yup
“Art” is a dying form. It will always exist but it mostly does today under other names. Memes are art. A lot of things are actually art but are not named such. While named art is shit.
Memes are art by the common people for the common people. They express emotion and related feeling so way they have become a standard form of communication. Honestly if artist weren't such elitist they would recognize memes as art that achieved the modern art ideal of being less conventionally ascetic and more about what they mean.
Where are the sudoku livestreams though
>A livestream of my suicide would be the only art form AI can't fake
Actually I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to faceswap you onto Ronnie, inkcel.
>"I don't really want to offend you, but I kinda want just really rendered pieces in here. Like stuff at an AI Art level".
Kek, I assure you 100% all of these are troll posts.
come and take it
Digital art might be dead but who cares about that
>I feel like a failure
Get in line buddy, everybody feels like a failure these days
yes
>VaushV
Yes i gladly support these creatures removing themselves from the gene pool. They cheered for globohomo now they are served globohomo
So much this
They think and feel like globohomo art cutout models
get an actual job paintpigs
This is natural selection under the exact same logic.
These artists wouldn't ever draw what I want, so... yes.
what vile disgusting fetish got rejected?
a white woman making breakfast to her white husband and white 4 children. everyone is happy and thinking that there will be a good future.
that exists, just not for you
ok buddy... 35 year old south asian mal order bride making instant oatmeal before her nursing job, with 2 gaygy hapa boys watching tiktok on their phones, best I can do~
LMFAO
Mum caught me watching Good Old Fashioned Christmas last week and I can't look her in the eye still.
i never understood the hate christmas movies get. as cheesy as they may be, at least they have a soul
>at least they have a soul
You know exactly why anon
how many of those are brand new troll accounts made on reddit
>reddit cunts make "woe is me, so depressed, much sadness" self-pity drama posts
>unbelievable
LMAO, get fucked
its either farming karma to sell the account to chinks or BOT/kiwifarms being edgy again with raids by making troll accounts on reddit, posting crap, and then posting screenshots here or on discord.
or and insufferable reddit-gay like you who should stay there 😉
or and vice jit
Christ, just draw for fun you gays
Zoomers are incapable of doing anything without social media validation and attention whoring.
Why draw if they can't get likes for it?
How many of those posts are ai generated
a lot of them. chatgpt can make a ton of troll responses better than 4chan and other boards.
entire thread is, and had been for about a month now
>a livestream of my suicide would be the only art form AI can't fake
1. Yes it can
2. Nothing of value was lost
The last one is touching
I’d talk to that kid
The other ones can go like turds in a sewer on a rainy day
AI art will at make it impossible to live off drawing for coomers.
You WILL go back to writing SQL for big tech.
> You WILL go back to writing SQL for big tech.
AI will take that from them too, soon enough.
>Bye bye turd
Same gays that would have complained about the steam engine and electricity, things they wouldn't live without
Pretty much ignore these gays
you're about to be living without eletricity. Where do you think the eletricity to power all the AI is going to come from. There's not enough of it to go around
You're about to be living without electricity because you're about to be put out of a job. Putting artists out of a job is just the first step.
yeh I know. Whats your point.
my point was also that we're not actually going to have electricity even available as a resource we can pay for.
We don't even really need it anyway. Its a luxury.
Which AI can make gay furry porn for me based on 2 characters I provide (not describing them in prompts) in 2023? None. The artists I'm paying are safe (for now).
if you are an artist that can be replaced by ai that can only mean you are not a very good one, zero empathy for those fuckers
Fake libertard "art" is a waste of resources. They even can't use any cool drugs like LSD anymore, LSD is more common in STEM than art. Art is not a major, it's a hobby. By automating art, we weed out 90% of the scene of blm bleeding heart "artists" and the people who have no taste and want machine stamped kitsch. The AI will get better over time, and the remaining 10% can continue producing true art for those with taste and the wallet to afford real art.
Hell, with the current state of Hollywood, AI can write far better scripts than hollywood "screenwriters" do
>Hell, with the current state of Hollywood, AI can write far better scripts than hollywood "screenwriters" do
For mass-produced capeshit-tier shlock it has real potency in churning out flicks, maybe even whole animated movies. Hollywood garden gnomes seems like too much of a syndicate to be taken down but they may start relying on it someday.
luddites deserve the rope
Where can I find a large public gathering of AI bros?
r/DefendingAIArt
Yes I know it's Reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DefendingAIArt/
https://www.reddit.com/r/LoveForAIArt/
just in case you wanted a preview
>muh russia
DO YOU RETARDS KNOW WHAT SATIRE IS
LOVEFORAIART IS S A T I R E
why would a BOT chuds know about "le ironic" reddit circle-jerks, you played yer-selves
>chad handshaking with an awesome robot dude in future utopia
>bad
how am i supposed to know that, i dont use reddit
(he's a redditor chud who thinks everyone on BOT is also one too)
Those are online gatherings.
of the alt-right?
why is it always violence with these peaceful, tolerant people?
>they're giving chuds AI
isn't that kind of stupid?
hope he does
>dislike AI art
>love all the butthurt from "artists" who obviously wouldn't be complaining if they were successful
i don't know which side to take
>A Livestream of my suicide is the only artform an AI can't fake
Dam he's right, the dataset is too small.
They'll do it anyway when they can't get a job in the art market as its been over saturated for DECADES already.
fuck AI
i dont know why people dont wake up because A.I is bad
conspiracy become real truth
You can still spot the difference, unfortunately most people don't have a good eye and aren't able to.
Favourite artist drew ntr, so yes i support AI.
Death to artists but most of all, DEATH to japan
>paiting to live
Bruh, since the advent of photography and computer-aided illustration, art is for relaxation, not money.
This.
I dont really care if ai art takes over since it isn't going to stop me being creative and drawing. If anything it will be a fun tool to use like photoshop is today.
>although we likely won't see any opensource ai projects for awhile.
This will happen to BOT when AI starts replacing code monkeys
AI art can easily be spotted by the naked eye. Once it gets really good such that we can't spot it is when artists truly will get replaced by it. So far it doesn't compete with really good art, it all looks the same.
most modern art is low-effort "expressionism" garbage.
Why don't all these digital artists kill themselves over all the art supplies companies they fucked over by using Wacom and Photoshop? Or is that different somehow, because it benefited them?
"It's okay if it's a corporation"
Reminder that this person doesn't feel that way about AI art, they feel that way about the exaggerated nonsense people tell them about AI art
stop letting other people tell you what to feel idiot
Why don't you take it to the creators instead of plebs who don't invent these things?
People malding about AI are too stupid to realize that it's just another tool to expand their creative workflow, which tells me they weren't that much creative in the first place.
This shit makes three.js scenes for me, these retards don't understand the fun I'm having.
have fun with your double edge sword while it lasts.
Makes learning something easier and faster while at the same time, rendering learning that something pointless.
Makes doing certain work more efficient and speedline while at the same time ensuring that work will no longer exist in the near future.
I envy your motivation. Mine has been deflated
I just need to understand the problem I want to solve and achieve desired results through trial and error. What you're learning here is a new language.
Art is going to be a conversation.
>ensuring that work will no longer exist in the near future.
Why do you want to prolong work that is a wasted effort in comparison to something more efficient? It seems like a complacent and greedy opinion to have.
Buying shit with money which, at the bottom of the supply chain, likely began as critical resources?
we're all going to be unemployed, is my point.
Yeh the tasks are done more efficiently, but thats not going to be of any benefit to you or me my friend.
That leaves you and me of no use to the economy. That leaves society as we know it unnecessary, passe, phased out.
No it doesn't. It makes the work more abstracted. There will be actuaries and technicians for what was previously a field dominated by artists and theorists, then the artists and theorists will move onto another project.
>It makes the work more abstracted.
yeh. And people won't be doing it.
Stick to digging ditches.
That job is going away too, sadly. See water cremations.
>There will be actuaries and technicians for what was previously a field dominated by artists and theorists, then the artists and theorists will move onto another project.
No, if you want to know what artists and art is going to look like, check out what it looks like in dirt poor third world places.
They needn't worry about AI replacing them and their tools and craft. Its actually going right back to basics. Maybe even as primitive as finger painting on cave walls.
I think people will be distracted by more pressing concerns though, like, basic survival in a brutal third world dystopia and probable war zone.
good riddance
>Trannies kill themselves
On other news, water is wet
Artists killing themselves over machine learning art instead of killing themselves over REAL SHIT like having to interact with the DirectX 12 API. SMDH.
Yes. Holding themselves hostage won't do anything, I don't negotiate with terrorists.
>a livestream of my suicide would be the only art form AI can't fake
wanna bet?
>get your magic ticket taken away
>have to slum it with the rest of us for five minutes
>realize it's hell
>rope
No sympathy.
So we should stop the progress of technology that could help people because a few artists don't like it? If we stopped doing something everything someone killed themself over it, nothing would get done.
>r/vaushv
he can go die for all i care.
>Corporations... le bad
>From the same morons that defended Disney and Blizzard like it were fatherland whenever they made gay shit
Ironic...
Yes. In fact, I welcome AI overlords to enslave me. Humanity is not worth saving.
>twitter.com/reddit_lies/status/1610669909842825222
Depth down, even leftie know their arts are trash for years and AI can do much better in matter of seconds. By guilt tripping people they think they can somehow win this battle. Censorship is their ultimate card after all.
The asshurt from Artists is amazing.
The fact of the matter is disruptions will always happen. Art also has NEVER BEEN IMMUNE TO AUTOMATION. Case in point there used to be artists who did nothing but a portraits, and it was a skill. They pretty much went the way of the dodo bird when photography came into play. Sure artists still paint portraits for people who desire them but that's a neich demand and not the conventional means of getting an accurate means of a person.
There are so many examples, automobiles taking over the horse and carriage industry, phone switchboard operators, Lamplighters replaced by electric lights, quartz watches replacing what was once a very skilled craft. The list goes on.
No in defense of arts not all these disruptions were good? I mean there was a time for example milk men were a thing before refrigeration was consumer friendly, a people say the milk was better back then. But the demand just isn't there and thus thst went away too.
The fear in them that they might actually have to get a fucking job is priceless
>a people say the milk was better back then
Bet they liked being cucked by the milkman kek
>even leftie know their arts are trash for years and AI can do much better in matter of seconds
And we have winner. Seriously, look at all those """"protests""" on twitter of """real artists""" against AI art, their shit was "tumblr fanart"-tier at best and "literally Paint drawing from devianart"-tier at worst, yet they/them thought that gallery of crap was some sort of checkmate while the computer can churn out a baroque painting in seconds
Taking away the milk man hurt the ecosystem.
>there was a bird that became adapted to milk men bottles, having longer beaks that previous generations. Just so they could rip open the foil coving the bottle and could eat the milk solid on the top.
AI is different than any other tech we had, everything you said created new areas that demanded more people, but the way AI works and learns, it can catch up to any new task that a human could possibly do. There’s no point beyond AI, we’re building our obsolescence.
>we’re building our obsolescence
>defining yourself as a wagiecuck and nothing more
ngmi
The biggest issue with AI seems to be how it could create wealth transfers from poor class to rich.. AI might make it less costly for companies like Disney to hire graphic artists and web developers when they can just pay a data analyst less to feed prompts to an AI engine.
>AI might make it less costly for companies like Disney to hire graphic artists and web developers when they can just pay a data analyst less to feed prompts to an AI engine
Yet these loony chuds won't shittalk disney or any other company but blame the "tech bros"
This is the part I find most amusing about this shitfest. They could have spun this debate into something all sides can agree on, hating giant corporations. But as usual, the twitter mob is full of chud retards that once again target everyday people just having fun, like the good little corporate minions they are.
>the twitter mob is full of chud retards that once again target everyday people just having fun, like the good little corporate minions they are
Exhibit A: The app made by Tencent and the absolute silence these gays went through (except when they cried about muh diversity in a fucking anime db). Guess giving their data to the ccp is not a bad thing for these retards.
what a woman
Anon no! It's a chilean actress!
skill issue.
Ehhhh, fuck the artists
Most of the really good ones have all fucked off on Patreon, and what's remaining are extremely stingy on commission, they won't do this, they won't do that and they won't do commissions that's too specific
Fuck that
With shitty RPG Maker games, we had artists that made a game but can't program. The other way around is not quite as common. With this technology, in the future, we can have the other way around
>be "artist"
>love the attention, money.
>the creativity is whatever, i don't care.
>people pay me to draw gay furry cocks cumming over Belgian medieval villages for some reason.
>a computer program gets created
>it can create dripping Belgian medieval villages
>it can create photorealistic glistening animal cocks
>people flock to it instead of paying me and begging me to complete their art
>my meager source of non-government-handout money is gone
>my meager source of attention-whoring is gone
>nobody begs me to finish shading their fursona's ballsack anymore
>time to kill myself
>cumming over Belgian medieval villages for some reason
Please be a random string of words you just pulled out of your ass...
ye
they most likely draw my favourite character as a moron anyway
This is like the wave of Elsa Spiderman gore videos that ended up on YouTube Kids, fucking hilarious
>now filters bad art
Yeah, they can all move onto globohomo animation and duke it out there for 1-season forgettable cartoons now
Students are literally killing themselves and I still support schools.
That's because you're a bluepilled boomer who has never spent time thinking over pedagogy. Technology is the desirable death of Prussian model schooling.
If your country's school system sucks donkey dicks then that's a shame, but I still support schools.
yes infact i invested in an AI company
Their favorite gay space communism TV show had AI generated art.
Why the fuck Whoopi is in the group shot as if she were a main character?
she was that important in lore and irl back then, Roddenberry was wokey leftist af
Next time just become a plumber and do art on the side, as it was always meant to be.
Art was always a cutthroat industry because there are so few jobs and so many people that want to do this, but it was fine because a few big fish could profit. Now part of these big fishes (and new artists that are clueless about the industry) feel threatened so they whine a lot.
A job is doing something someone else wants for money. Nobody wants your art. It's not a job, it's a hobby.
>Computer, generate an inari fox shrine in medieval Japan. Now fill it with 42 kitsune girls. Have them all be in heat with servile personalities. Disengage safety protocols.
Future is going to be amazing
>Disengage safety protocols.
I'm laughing at this way too hard, thanks anon, made my day.
only shit artists seethe at AI art
Paint pigs aren't real people.
cry more inkcel you will own nothing and be happy
>A livestream of my suicide would be the only art form AI can't fake
yet
Weak mental
Hearing about the AI Art fuss just made me more interested in art in general, and actually learn it.
Sure you could generate your idea, or you could draw it with your own skill.
Nothing wrong with AI tho.
yawn~
call me when one of them actually do
it's just pathetic attention whoring
ok but will it replace programmers too? Unironically kinda regretting choosing cs
eventually, yes
Cool. Yes I support it. I wanted these gays dead a long time ago.
Good job BOTcucks this is going to be future for art in the near future.
AI protection Art curation of the future,
>NDAs required to filled, signed and notarized before viewing.
>Phones camera and all electronic devices are prohibited. Phones and cameras locked will be inspected.
>Sketching or using anything to gain a reference is strictly prohibited.
>Artwork will be placed in a hermetically sealed room in vacuum that also acts as as Faraday cage. Viewing will be possible from windows that can be shuttered.
>Viewing times will be limited and recorded vai facial recognition and eye tracking to 2minutes. Attempting to view art after this time will result in the shutters closing before you can see the art.
>Speaking of the names of work or describing them will be prohibited.
not my problem
Don't forget you have to mentally "purge" your memory of the art you just saw unless you play for those "memory enjoyment" royalties.
This is just music to my ears
Most of those " artist" are nothing but liberal fans who lives from drawing cartoon characters from show and get other ppl horny over them.
Now they are replaced you want a cute animal waifu ? Well I just type the prompt and get it in less waiting time and for fking free.
Get replaced gaygs
90% of these people are zoomers who bought into the whole "turn your hobby into a job" meme, or the grindset mentality, or whatever it's called.
the outrage is that robots are eliminating their ability to be able to do their hobby as their job, not that the robots are replacing THEM, per se
AI art is nothing but a prediction of the future, I really don’t get why everyone discuss it in a so detached way.
It’s not that I care about artists, but because there’s not a reason the same won’t happen with most of us.
Didn't the all the great masters of art since antiquity have a gaggle of students that did grunt work according to instructions given by their master?
Are these furry artists trying to tell me Proserpina's plump, delicious body isn't real art?
>Didn't the all the great masters of art since antiquity have a gaggle of students that did grunt work according to instructions given by their master?
Yes, a "Masterpiece" was something an apprentice made that was a good enough copy of the master he'd put his name to it.
>Are these furry artists trying to tell me Proserpina's plump, delicious body isn't real art?
Probably.
Modern art education tell you individuality is far more important than "slavish imitation."
real artists are fine, coomer twitter gays are kinda finished:
well don’t you think tech wagies should be more concerned about this than art gays?
Nah, we're already rich
all the shit ones got replaced by pajeets a long time ago, no worries
there is no equivalent of twitter chuds slinging 20$ YCH, at least not in North America
What makes the artists seething sad and pathetic is, no code monkey thinks on his job as his defining identity and derive all his worth from it, it's just a job when it comes down to it.
Nobody ever asks of ai code, "but does it have soul?" only that it works.
shit tier bait, obviously art has been something people do for fun since humanity fucking started. artists just try to turn it into their job so they can do what they truly like and not just wageslave for a big company
I bought a $40 tablet and tried to draw hentai but it was awful so yeah I'll stick to ai
Stick to it, you still have to fix all those hands and occasional fuckups.
More Graphic Designers use those tablets for photo-shopping than drawgays.