What can we do to resist automation?

In the near future it's looking like people are going to be automated out of their jobs. Dalle is drawing pictures better than most of us at a fraction of the time. AI is going to put us all out of jobs.
Eventually only the owner of the machines is going to benefit. The owner might kill everyone and everything because he doesn't need anybody. Nobody is valuable to him because he produces everything. If you can't work you're not useful and people will just kill you. After that as AI keeps improving it'll grow past the owners intelligence and then kill him too.

The only way for the human race to stand up to this is by gaining power that can stand up to the machines and their owners. How do we do that?
Can normal humans have something valuable that machines and the owners (world economic forum) need?

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    As someone who studied aerospace and hasnt touched a plane in 9 years of work, should I focus on CS or EE considerig your scenario and current market?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Robots will have a tougher time navigating the physical world so EE is better.
      But CS has more short term returns because AI won't happen anytime soon. You'll get to build more tech infrastructure for it to control. Software industry just won't stop booming.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Thank you, always felt the same way, somehow EE, being tougher gives the satisfaction of understanding essential physics of the world around you.
        CS seems scary in a dune kind of way.

        Something so subtle as Alladin influencing housing markets can obliterate generations of people and a myriad of hopes.
        The complex part about some jobs for now is that humans serve as fuses to save face.
        If your power regulation components or a sw release caused millions in loses its way better if there are several replaceable humans to blame in the value chain

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        WHAT are you even smoking? Can I have some?
        CS doesn't mean "software bootcamp". A CS education will always be more useful for AI than fucking EE. Are you confusing AI with robotics, you popsci sci-fi entertainment consoomer? I bet you have not just little but entirely zero clue what a CS curriculum consists of and have just heard it mentioned throughout your life through osmosis.
        Actually fucking mentally laughing as this flabbergasting idiocy.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nope, it'll just mean that more people will be forced to take blue collar work they might not be fit enough to do (and fall into drug use and alcholism) while white collar work becomes automated and only available to the richest of the rich.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's just a matter of time before blue collar work is also automated. It's just further down the street.
      We have to solve the problem at its base by competing directly with automation somehow

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >We have to solve the problem at its base by competing directly with automation somehow

        New monetary system tied to humans rather than goods & services.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Be realist anon, we would rather turn human into this and convert Earth into Soda can rather than make any step toward "socialism".
          Uncompetitive humans are parasite who shall not be fed for free.

          Not the same anon btw

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >white collar work becomes automated and only available to the richest of the rich
      This sentence makes no sense in english

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >and only available to the richest of the rich.
      why would the richest of the rich want to do white collar work?

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Robots are just ethically OK slaves.
    Most of human history has had slaves.
    I fail to see why having the return of slaves is going to be a problem.
    THESE slaves are literally hardwired to WANT to serve us.
    We literally are their creators.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. This is also why truly sentient AI should be banned for things that actually work FOR us instead of with us

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        no one is working on that, dont worry about it. you arent going to have sentient vacuum cleaners that refuse to do vacuuming today because its depressed.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          What about sentient elevators that are scared of heights?

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Dalle is drawing pictures better than most of us at a fraction of the time
    I don't draw pictures for a living, so I'm not concerned

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Thinks it's just the pictures
      They already made burger flipping bots anon
      Its over for the wagies too
      You will be suffocated out of society for not being useful to silicon valley pedos

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Well.
        Better start brushing up on your wilderness survival and handicraft skills then.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Thinking they'll let you do that
          Kek
          They'll have swarms of drones just murder such wild people. With ease.
          What is going on is the start of a global genocide on a scale that is beyond human comprehension. A few rich elites will engage in the systemic mass killings of billions of people to replace them with their golems.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            > The government will probably just thwart my efforts so I'm not every going to try.
            Okay, cattlebrained moron.
            You just stew in your hopelessness over there and compliantly wait until your escort to the slaughterhouse arrives.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Nah I don't plan to
              I'm intending to go down fighting.
              I just don't think it'll be a win, but fuck i'll make em bleed as much as I can.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Its going to be sneaky, never with drones but with diseases or vaccines or poison in the water or with aerosols. Not even in the holocaust were things in the open, people were killed in remote camps never in the cities. Even at the last minute people were lied to (its justa shower). They even lie to fish.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              That's why when they're rounding people up, you never get on the bus. If they want to kill you, make them do it out in public in front of everyone. Once you're on that bus, your fate is sealed. You will die where no one can see.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >They'll have swarms of drones just murder such wild people. With ease.
            >What is going on is the start of a global genocide on a scale that is beyond human comprehension.
            Like they'll have to put that much effort into it. Just force off the water and fuckloads of people will die of starvation, dehydration and contaminated water. The delusional "wilderness survivalists" will keep their own numbers in check, by killing each other over breadcrumbs.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Can you show us where the master water valve for the planet is located?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Master water valve?
                You mean like buying all the water towers, water treatment plants and shit and just tearing them down?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Being force to go back to natural water source available without complex technology would be enough to kill 90% of mankind. Only difficulty will be making them kill each other instead of banding against you

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >They already made burger flipping bots anon
        These dont work, not today

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Robot are already making pizza, burger ain't exactly hard.

          Many foods don't care about presentation, a salad is easy to make for a robot.

          There's not stopping robotization, so you either modify human to compete with robot or you rework capitalism so the rich don't replace the 99.999999999% with robots. The former being easier than the former, turning human into a mockery of ethic is more likely than reworking ownership.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            They dont work. Yes you can see a quick demonstration but you dont see how useless they are in a restaurant. These robots need tons of auxiliary help, cleaners, mechanics and they break down fast. Plus all they can do is cook the same while a wagie can do a hundred different tasks including doing errands out of the restaurant. This is why you never see these robots anywhere except in Dubai as a novelty in expensive malls, they dont save money or labor but are touristic attractions

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              They may be rare but they do work. Frankly having a robot who clean them... at least some human will know cleaning is in fact part of the job. Of course they won't replace even 0.01% of all type of restaurant, but for big franchise like burgers it is going to be attractive.

              We will still be in big trouble when we get near sentient AIs capable of replacing your average shitposter.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Are you stupid? They don't work. They may be perfected in 10 years but they dont work today. They break down fast and need a ton of human assistants, it doesnt save labor.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Are you making shit up out of your ass? Are you counting 10hour of manpower from a technician and a cleaner as the 1000hours the robot save producing more with less people? There's no report they are dismantling them.
                That was nitpicking in the first place "no! only robot that look like chef" when most of our food industry is already automated, we can print steak or complex cakes with robots.

                see

                Most of these should be seen as productivity enhancers. Removing humans 100% from a process is difficult. Removing humans from 75% of a process is doable and often even trivial. If you can reduce the lunch rush staff of a Burger King from eight people down to two people, that's a win for the business.
                A company I did consulting work for last year has a concept "Restaurant Row" they're working on. In the footprint of a typical fast food restaurant, they have an eight faced facility that serves food from eight different restaurant chains. You've already seen two or maybe even three brands in one location but this would mix both fast food and fast casual brands into one kitchen, which itself is highly automated through tightly defined processes. Ordering and payment is by phone or kiosk only, though a human will bring your order to the counter/window or your parking space, depending on location. There will be no drive-thru. You park your car and order from there or walk up to an ordering kiosk.
                If you need to "see the manager" or have a request that you can't figure out how to make through the app or kiosk, a connection to a centralized call center can be made. The call center will handle the issue and, if needed, communicate with the kitchen. Customers never communicate with the on-site workers directly except when getting their food handed to them.
                Ultimately they want to be able to expand this to be a ghost kitchen for dozens of brands and then also make all of those brands available for in-person dining too. Table service is not planned to be part of this and I have no idea how they're going to expand into brands better than fast-casual but it is their plan to do so. When I was there, they were still arguing over if there should be any seating at the location at all, and if there is, how to keep it keep, free of homeless, etc. Someone suggested having a pay-by-the-minute "dinning hall" nearby with different ambience sections but that was rejected.

                , sure you didn't replace human entirely, but you allowed one human to do the job of 2 or 10.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                > 1000 hours of saved work
                Retard, its a food robot it gets cleaned every day and needs assistants to bring it ingredients every minute. And repairman time isnt cheap, it can take a day of labor. A robot isnt a blender with an electric motor and and on/ off button, repairman are expensive engineers and the system os fragile and breaks down often. And it is inefficient because a restaurant is not a factory, most cooks do other tasks in a restaurant like cleaning or doing errands. A restaurant robot isnt going to be working 8 hours straight unlike a factory robot that does 24/7

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >It's ok, they still need me to unwrap the ingredients, clean the kitchen then stay out of the way of the robot-cook, the robot-waitress and the robot-cashier.
                Of course they don't replace master chief yet but preparing junk food isn't rocket science, the only thing preventing it was software and it's likely already more productive than the retard who still don't understand why those "costly" robots replaced everyone else.
                https://thespoon.tech/report-80-percent-of-restaurant-jobs-could-be-taken-over-by-robots/

                So stop exaggerating failure rate or moving the goalpost about robots who are being used right now, free cooks to work on other tasks, saving you from hiring more, cost less than humans overall and don't have human lodging, transport, sickness problems.
                Robots arms like these aren't superscience, it's your typical food-rated robotic arms with a more clever OS you reboot and update once in a while. Asking for a technician once in a while won't even eat your profit margin and who know if you have guarantee for those.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, most people don't get that this is another case of the 80-20 rule. You can get 80% of the work done by robots and leave the other 20% to humans because that last 20% requires more effort to replace with robots than the first 80% did.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Most of these should be seen as productivity enhancers. Removing humans 100% from a process is difficult. Removing humans from 75% of a process is doable and often even trivial. If you can reduce the lunch rush staff of a Burger King from eight people down to two people, that's a win for the business.
              A company I did consulting work for last year has a concept "Restaurant Row" they're working on. In the footprint of a typical fast food restaurant, they have an eight faced facility that serves food from eight different restaurant chains. You've already seen two or maybe even three brands in one location but this would mix both fast food and fast casual brands into one kitchen, which itself is highly automated through tightly defined processes. Ordering and payment is by phone or kiosk only, though a human will bring your order to the counter/window or your parking space, depending on location. There will be no drive-thru. You park your car and order from there or walk up to an ordering kiosk.
              If you need to "see the manager" or have a request that you can't figure out how to make through the app or kiosk, a connection to a centralized call center can be made. The call center will handle the issue and, if needed, communicate with the kitchen. Customers never communicate with the on-site workers directly except when getting their food handed to them.
              Ultimately they want to be able to expand this to be a ghost kitchen for dozens of brands and then also make all of those brands available for in-person dining too. Table service is not planned to be part of this and I have no idea how they're going to expand into brands better than fast-casual but it is their plan to do so. When I was there, they were still arguing over if there should be any seating at the location at all, and if there is, how to keep it keep, free of homeless, etc. Someone suggested having a pay-by-the-minute "dinning hall" nearby with different ambience sections but that was rejected.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                How do people put up a fight against this?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                walk in, offer to work all day for free,

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Don't buy food from them. If other people want to buy food that way, why should you be able to stop them?

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Don't resist automation, redefine human until it can do automation better than robots.
    No other way around.
    If you do not want to be replaced by AI you need to become better than AI

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Those are downloaded copies. I don't think they

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Those are downloaded copies. I don't think they
        >WARNING: IMPROPER WRITING DETECTED
        >POST TERMINATED

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Replace "machine" with "evolved human" and its the sane scenario. Basically you have an economy because you profit more from trade than from eating your neighbors, if trade ceases because uh you obsolete you just eat them

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    or you could Join The Ai

    if you watch Westworld, the show, its probably pretty close to what will take place when Ai starts to vault toward Asi.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Eventually only the owner of the machines is going to benefit.
    And that will be.. all and everyone of us.. hooray!

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >The owner might kill everyone and everything because he doesn't need anybody.
    You're a horrible person if the only reason you don't exterminate people around you is that you're using them.
    >Nobody is valuable to him because he produces everything.
    So a farmer who ignores progress and produces his own food is.. TED (a propagated madmen who was dangerous because he was self-sufficient! I wonder who could be behind that popular image)

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Horrible person
      Guess what Silicon Valley CEOs and most of the people running society are

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I think they are not as bad as you imagine, because we're still here and world is getting better and better (but they should not consume alcohol, because when I was a drunkard I drank for every woman to be a whore, I thought it was a great idea because then I could finally get laid. And guess what, my wish came true. Now I dream of something better, and so will they)

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    if there s no capitalism, the world will end mommy

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Romans were so good at war that they were overflowing with slaves. The poor Romans could not compete with slave labor. The Roman elite were worried about social unrest. To solve this problem the elite introduced "Bread and Circuses" to satisfy the most immediate or base requirements of the poor Romans.
    In the modern world we call this Welfare.
    Robots are the equivalent of slave labor.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >TFW Romans who owned fucking slaves may have better ethics than modern elites who just would regard people unable to get a job due to RP their job being automated away as disposable parasitic freeloaders
      Materialism not even once

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Check this video out.

    They didn't get rid of all humans, just those that are doing jobs that are easier for robots to do. Humans still deal with customers, add final ingredients, hand them food, etc. Using robots did allow them to offer a particular type of food (grain bowls) at a lower cost and faster than if there were humans doing all of the work.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Daily reminder that if you fall for what is already known to be an AGI schizophrenia corporate psyop, you're an utter NPC.

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >omg le ebin automation
    I work in a factory and we have to fix the robots every now and then
    AI cant take over the world like skynet, at least not in the coming years

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      After they can fix each other, it's GG no re

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      AI isn't the problem, it's stupid humans like that dork at Google who already thinks they're alive. The pathologically empathic will destroy humanity given a chance and giving AI civil rights will be one of the ways they do it.

  15. 2 months ago
    Future person

    Trees air

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Dalle is drawing pictures better than most of us
    Most of its pictures look like something a middle school kid would paint to describe their nightmares.

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You could devote the rest of your life to fighting against the coming human genocide and maybe delay it for a while, but even if you succeed, it will just come later after you die. Life honestly isnt even worth it, just let it happen. If some psychopath minecraft villager wants to be the last human in charge of AI planet, let him suffer the fate he doomed himself with.

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Automation is a meme. Civilization is going to collapse in the 2040s because of resource exhaustion (read Limits to Growth). Automation can’t exist in a world reduced to pre-industrial technology.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      do you think we (or any other species) will ever manage to advance to the good shit (escaping earth, benevolent AIs, etc)? once our current civilization "collapses" we may not ever get back to our current height due to the lack of available resources in the future since we wasted so many this time around

      then again such resource unavailability may be the natural selection we need to get rid of the retards and crazies

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I think humanity’s best path forward was to have focused on solving solving environmental issues and on space flight back in the 1970s. That time has passed. I think civilization will collapse in the short term and even if we reach early modern levels of society again, we will be trapped here.

        The only escape scenario is this:
        1. Modern civilization survives in the extreme north and south (Russia, Scandinavia, Canada, South America, Australia, Southern Africa, Brazil)
        2. These regions become centers of modern civilization and transition to sustainable industrial life as the rest of the world recovers
        3. They reconnect and network with one another
        4. Proceed from there

        It’s our best hope at this point.

  19. 2 months ago
    El Arcón

    What if the owner of the machines wants people to enjoy his nice garden?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Elon musk wants us all to die, why wouldn't the future owner

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >he thinks computers will be anything more than number crunching machines
    Get real retard

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >in 100 years all natural resources will have run out and the renewable options aren't feasible for satisfying the energy need 10 billion people have
    >"b-but muh automation"
    Society will revert to pre-industrial revolution living standards before robots take over

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Machines create wealth that only humans can spend. What if automation of the economy is actually a blessing for society? Nobody need to "sell" their body or time to be viable.

    Obvs in this scenario there will be a hardcore form of the socialism one has right now in Europe.

    But all in all having a high ratio of automation/person working is great. Humans will always find a way to make capitalism work on top of that wealth-protecting automation with producing all sorts of unnecessary products that humans crave and compete for.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Europes socialism is barely enough to handle the current world.
      With AI and living machines we need way more socialism than that

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        you fucking idiot didnt get my argument.

        automation -> much more wealth/productivity to spend -> global socialism more feasible

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          We have more wealth now than we did 500 years ago and yet we are more miserable now and work more now.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            now we dont read up on industrialisation adn feudal europe, idiot. U think a 40 hour week is worst ever hahaha

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    theres a lot wrong with that characterization, but i wont go into that. What i will critique is the HUGE scope you are asking about.
    This is like having a conversation about what the regulation of trade between earth and mars will be like, its too broad.

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >The owner might kill everyone and everything because he doesn't need anybody
    With what weapons? What army? Retard.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      He'll just have them all turned into paperclips.

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