Pixiv Fanbox bans AI Artwork entirely

https://www.fanbox.cc/@official-en/posts/5934381

What are the implications of major platforms kneeling to luddites and banning tools that promote advancement of the medium? technologically speaking of course.

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  1. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    there argument is that is trained on arts of people and there is no law to protect them until that low you can post ai gen but make money from it

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Good job on that post anon seriously

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        which one

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      No that’s no the argument, they say it’s

      “we have seen a growing trend of using AI only to create and profit from content produced much faster than was traditionally possible. This deviates from the original intentions of our service as a place for creators to thrive, and we have come to the conclusion that we cannot ignore this situation.”

      >Nooo you can’t produce more work than usual because you just cant

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Let's just call it what it is. A bunch of whiny snowflakes seething because they no longer hold a lucrative monopoly over self-expression.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          well put

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          There was never a monopoly over self-expression because there is just no way to monopolize self-expression
          EVERYONE has self-expression, the name itself says where it comes from: the self

          It's absolutely baffling you "people" think like this because some people are getting paid for their work. Jealousy is a very ugly emotion

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            so let the people fricking self express themself using ai

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Sure, but do it on your own site

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Draw scribbles on the wall of your padded cell and you'll get more respect.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >A bunch of whiny snowflakes seething because they no longer can make easy money by generating ton of porn

          if self-expression is really your goal you can still post it somewhere for free, you twat

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        If that was the real reason they could just limit each user to a certain amount of uploads in a given time period. Force the prompteurs to pick and choose their best work instead of spamming.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        The statement is explicit in saying the service was formulated for creators. AIgens are not creators, therefore they don't belong there.
        Just like you can't post furry content on bot because the board was formulated for a different kind of poster.
        It doesn't mean you don't have a right to exist or post. Just not there.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          AIgens are creators, if AI art is so bad, then why people are paying for it on fanbox

          This is just anti ai gays seething because the are losing money against ai-chads

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >if AI art is so bad, then why
            It's not a value judgement. It's not about it being bad. Fanbox was made to promote artists, creators. If you are not one, then you don't belong there. Just like authored works don't belong in AI sites.
            If you AI yields are good, this should be of no inconvenience to you: as you said many people are willing to pay for your results.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              they are removing means to pay people who use ai

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Again, the statement is clear: the site was intended, from the beginning, to promote the work of people who draw.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                You can draw with AI so it's a stupid point.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                so its limited to people using physical media or no? If digital is allowed its massive cope

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                So digital art is banned there as well?

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Just like you can't post furry content on BOT because the board was formulated for a different kind of poster..

          >completely ignores the MSI red dragon

          • 10 months ago
            w7-890

            BASED frick zoophiles lets behead them all too bad i dont have my 4080 laptop yet for vandalizing your shit art

            >furry bait mascot
            shady chinkshit company has the habbit of ignoring user critique just stuck to lenovo or ASUS #GamersRiseUP

            >aipajeets are also hoe-girlve /vt/simps
            pathetic

            how;s your commision rabbi?

            sorry i didnt read the entire thread just leaving my mark here greetings from jarty and partychan

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >there, argument is, that is, trained on arts of people; and there is no law to protect them until that. low. you can post ai gen but... make money from it?

  2. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Time to move to fantia, I guess

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Some anon said on /sdg/ that Fantia just did the same.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Fantia doesn't allow AI shitters

  3. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    The implications are that AI is a copyright nightmare. You either make everything open source with disclaimers you're in legal trouble for ever monetizing your inputs or using them for any sort of commercial gain or you end up with dead technology.
    Who owns the data sets and scraped internet posts? Go far enough and it'll always be the "user"--so when's the user getting his rightful slice of that 500B parameter cake?
    'jeets don't have this problem btw

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah Pixiv, the place that exists solely for people to post porn with copyrighted characters, must be very worried about breaching copyright law. I can tell you exactly who owns Jill Valentine, the character, and yet Pixiv still has hundreds of pictures of her getting anally raped. Riddle me this

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        There's also the corporate angle: AI stuff is just the excuse they've been waiting for to push harsher copyright restrictions. They can just claim to be championing the little guy.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Fanbox and Pixiv aren't identical. There's a lot of creators that only post original content on their fanboxes.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >There's a lot of creators that only post original content on their fanboxes
          And there's a lot that don't. Pixiv doesn't care. They idea that they suddenly started caring copyright is just bullshit

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            > copyright is just bullshit
            Keeps commies like you from stealing

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              no it doesn't just stops other capatalists from making it

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Stealing copyrighted characters for your art is also stealing, moron. Pixiv doesn't care, neither do you. Stealing isn't the thing you care about

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Who owns the data sets and scraped internet posts?
      doesn't matter. that's like asking who owns the colour blue. an ai model is, by every legal definition, transformative work, even if you insist it's still related to the training data at all.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Collages of already existing images without human intent are not transformative work.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          ok, but how is that related to the topic of ai art?

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            bro think ai gens are collage

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Collages of already existing images without human intent are not transformative work.
          What? They are not collages of existing human images. They are denoising algorithms tuned to a neuron simulation. The original image does not exist in the dataset. The data which it was trained upon is open sourced like LAOIN or common crawl. Anyone can view that data and make transformative works upon it, an algorithm doing it is no different.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Collages of already existing images without human intent are not transformative work.
          moron AI image generation does work by making collages or photobashing. 80IQ morons don't even understand the tech they're complaining about.

          I'm pretty sure plagiarism is already punishable by law. Harrison Ford's bosses paid Phillip K. Dick for his contributions and then mangled his works, etc.
          [...]
          LOL
          Your schizophrenic compression/"diffusion" model will never "learn the same way a human does". Your statistical datasets hard-wired into a parody of non-determinism (still collapsing into deterministic parameters lazily webbed together) will never give you any sort of creative output, much less art. Your misanthropy only speaks volumes about what you think of yourself. Why are AIcels like this?

          >bro muh coomer anime content is peak human creativity!!!
          Anime/Furry/Coomer drawings are already devoid of any creative work and value to humanity.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >moron AI image generation does work by making collages or photobashing

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              It does. What do you think is happening when it duplicates a large detail in an image?
              Do you understand that when it fricks up hands it's because it applies two different hand images from its bucket of hands at once and then blended them?

              No of course you don't.

          • 10 months ago
            w7-890

            is there a software that records wacom pen movements like this https://archive.is/DEBU2

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      when do i get my kickbacks from all the memes and recipes and artful jokes? don't post it if you don't want it to be possibly absorbed by the culture machine into a genre hit. Not every cyberpunk image or book has to pay harrison ford.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'm pretty sure plagiarism is already punishable by law. Harrison Ford's bosses paid Phillip K. Dick for his contributions and then mangled his works, etc.

        https://i.imgur.com/FjWaoRz.jpg

        >Who owns the data sets and scraped internet posts?
        I hate people who argue this nonsense.
        AI/diffusion models do not hold a database of all art in the dataset and then just mash them all together. They are trained to "draw" the same way a human does, but instead of the AI having to draw thousands of pictures to gain the ability to replicate the image in their mind onto paper like a human would, they simply "observe" all of the images in the dataset.

        If you or anyone dares to claim that AI steals and uses copyrighted content, then you then have to also argue for measures being taken that would prevent other humans from observing, copying and inspiring themselves by works of other people.
        And don't let me start on the topic that if we were to start actually taking the topic of ownership and copyright seriously, I guarantee you that you'd quickly realize that most images and styles created by thousands of people are interchangeable and one could easily claim that another person stole their style, traced their works etc.
        I fundamentally disagree that every human work is original that they can warrant that they are the sole owners of the creation and they didn't absorb and reuse any outside data, styles, or ideas from other works.

        LOL
        Your schizophrenic compression/"diffusion" model will never "learn the same way a human does". Your statistical datasets hard-wired into a parody of non-determinism (still collapsing into deterministic parameters lazily webbed together) will never give you any sort of creative output, much less art. Your misanthropy only speaks volumes about what you think of yourself. Why are AIcels like this?

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          prove the existence of the human soul in court. otherwise frick off luddoid

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Who owns the data sets and scraped internet posts?
      I hate people who argue this nonsense.
      AI/diffusion models do not hold a database of all art in the dataset and then just mash them all together. They are trained to "draw" the same way a human does, but instead of the AI having to draw thousands of pictures to gain the ability to replicate the image in their mind onto paper like a human would, they simply "observe" all of the images in the dataset.

      If you or anyone dares to claim that AI steals and uses copyrighted content, then you then have to also argue for measures being taken that would prevent other humans from observing, copying and inspiring themselves by works of other people.
      And don't let me start on the topic that if we were to start actually taking the topic of ownership and copyright seriously, I guarantee you that you'd quickly realize that most images and styles created by thousands of people are interchangeable and one could easily claim that another person stole their style, traced their works etc.
      I fundamentally disagree that every human work is original that they can warrant that they are the sole owners of the creation and they didn't absorb and reuse any outside data, styles, or ideas from other works.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        5-Star Post

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        anti-ai gays who continue posting after this post are trolls.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        The AI uses web crawlers to get images online. It's the reason why sites like ArtStation started posted "No AI" signs, because pAIjeets were stealing their artwork.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          That was already done many months ago, you moron. The data set was built. It's called LAION.
          As if filtering out THE EXACT SAME FRICKING IMAGE being posted is a problem at all. Holy fricking moronation.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          No, it doesn't. People who don't understand how the technology works thought it was doing that, and so they thought that spamming "No AI" signs on artstation would frick up the people using "trending on artstation" as a prompt. They were wrong. It did nothing, because the model was already trained and not pulling any new information from the internet at the time it generated an image.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Pic-rel is the poojet who made NovelAI/StableDiffusion.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >NovelAI
        He had nothing to do with NovelAI

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Its the exact same as an artist taking "experience" and expressing those experiences. The problem is it is far more effective to prompt master than to learn technique through practice. Its every preceding art forms issue with anything that follows.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      its annoying as frick when some autist uploads every single thing they make, even duplicates and frickups.

      its not a nightmare at all. i make picture, i made picture. it doesnt matter if i used crayons, pencils, or a computer program. But of course, that isnt what the people in power want. They want credit for every step, they want to make their middle man money by renting you the crayons, and licensing the paper, and then owning the rights to everything on the cloud storage they force you to upload to so they create this nonsense arguement about copyright to trick morons into playing along with their elaborate game of middle-man-pretend.

      and the funny thing is even this fake debate has been dead for decades. music producers have gotten away with clipping up other people's shit since the 1980s and profiting off it.

      The whole thing is fake and gay, the fact is theres a multibillion dollar industry based off profitting from other peoples shit but the ai industry threatens to put all these useless wiener suckers out of business by giving tools to aggreate hundreds of manhours of work into the hands of 1 autist.

  4. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    You probably don't get the context, but there are A Fricking Shit Ton of AI art on Pixiv. And
    1. Pixiv stores the full quality image, no compression.
    2. Pixiv isn't that big
    3. Pixiv viewers don't like the AI infestation
    Makes sense for them to cut AI art.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Except every artist is going to be using AI as an assist one way or another. They're DIGITAL artists, they're not actually luddites fighting against new tech, when they started tracing 3D models nobody cared, next they'll be tracing AI. What is pixiv going to do, ban artists using AI as a tool?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        There's a difference between maybe spending 100GB of storage for artists that most likely aren't even using AI extensively, and wasting 100TB on braindead SD button mashers

      • 10 months ago
        2nd

        Tech "people" talking about artists and what artists are like is always hilarious. You are all soulless nerds completely detached from the artistic mindset. Your AI slop will never be art. You will never be an artist. You will never be liked, respected, or loved. Nobody will ever admire your code in the same way a piece of art is admired. Go back to your useless code monkey job.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          what are you even on about, pixiv isn't the fricking louvre, it's a repository for porn
          >muh real art
          literally a repository for crayon drawings of sonic the hedgehog getting polymorphed into a urinal and pissed on. fricking artgays i swear to god

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          damn bro did a programmer frick your mom or something

          • 10 months ago
            2nd

            Let me try to communicate in a language you understand, robot.

            System.out.println("have a nice day AI Black person, nobody likes you.");

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              damn bro you sure got me. I've given up on programming. I'm going to memorywipe myself now, so I never have to think about pr*gramming again. I can finally be happy now. I've finally seen the light. thank you, wise anon.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          This. The AItrannies will never understand. This moron

          Except every artist is going to be using AI as an assist one way or another. They're DIGITAL artists, they're not actually luddites fighting against new tech, when they started tracing 3D models nobody cared, next they'll be tracing AI. What is pixiv going to do, ban artists using AI as a tool?

          said
          >Except every artist is going to be using AI as an assist one way or another
          lol. This AI shit has disgusted me so much that I've almost completely turned my back on digital. 90% of my art is now traditional. They imagine that we operate under the same soulless programming as they do and scream "luddite" when we don't play along. Let them do as they please, we will keep drawing.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >artistic mindset

          https://i.imgur.com/mccRFjV.jpg

          This. The AItrannies will never understand. This moron [...] said
          >Except every artist is going to be using AI as an assist one way or another
          lol. This AI shit has disgusted me so much that I've almost completely turned my back on digital. 90% of my art is now traditional. They imagine that we operate under the same soulless programming as they do and scream "luddite" when we don't play along. Let them do as they please, we will keep drawing.

          >soulless
          This is what amateur anime artist wannabes are trying to protect lmao. Unreal, one of the least interesting pages from an actually creative work is apparently a good example of SOVL and trad art.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah I'm not an anime artist, I only admire his linework. Continue to seethe, AItroony

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I don't think you realize how cheap data and given people can *buy* images and Pixiv gets 10% cut PLUS service fee, they can easily host all images indefinitely.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >3. Pixiv viewers don't like the AI infestation
      AI images on Pixiv get tons of bookmarks and likes.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        this. the average person does like ai art.
        it's just drawgays shitting and crying about how the average joe can make art just as good as theirs without buying their lessons.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >this. the [delusions]
          ai trannies are mentally unwell

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            keep coping. you'd better start learning to code, because your days are numbered.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              You mean learn to prompt code

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          AI art is goyslop. Who the fricks wants some cheaply copied version of something when the real real thing already exist? The AI also makes a ton of mistakes.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        I got this much in a single pic, not even an album with multiple images.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, my AI arts get tenfold more likes than my digital paintings. The only time I got comments was with AI too.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            post your digital painting

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              It's nothing exciting, I'm just a beginner.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                No wonder you use ai

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Now post your ai work

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                I don't have it on my phone. You can literally reverse image search to my Pixiv.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                It wont be long before you can reach the level of some of those AI pics with your drawing. Keep it up and just rendermaxx while focusing on the head/face/hair

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Thanks.
                Yeah, I fear no AI. I draw out if passion, and AI existence doesn't discourage me in any way. It even comes in handy to get references and inspiration.
                Just because I have a car I am not going to stop enjoying a nice walk in a park.

  5. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you search for pretty much any tag on fanbox you'll essentially be met with 9 AI results and 1 actual non-AI result out of 10. Filtering doesn't seem to be a thing on fanbox so you're trudging along and it's just painful.

  6. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    https://spotlight.fantia.jp/news/ai_policy-2

    fantia bans ai art on the same day. seems like a coordinated effort to hamper the growth of the technology.

  7. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Everytime I start to bank on something they fricking ban it

  8. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Good. Look at sankaku and see what unrestricted AI rules allow. Endless seas of cookie cutter garbage that outnumber human-crafted art 50 to 1.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Endless seas of cookie cutter garbage
      So once most AI art becomes equal or better on average than human you'd have no problem with it?
      Give it a few years then.
      We're still in the era when most morons are playing around with low quality models because of lack of knowledge or HW limitations.
      That's why you see a lot of cookie cutter garbage AI art, but you can't claim that you haven't notice a consistent increase in the quality which will only improve as the time goes on.

      The point is, your issue comes down to 3rd worlders and non-technical people making shitty art by using obsolete models or lacking knowledge/experience to make better art.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >So once most AI art becomes equal or better on average than human you'd have no problem with it?
        Most AI art already btfos most of human art

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          I'm well aware. But a lot of AI art out there is kind of old and a lot of it is still being produced on old models or people who are just trying things out, which is why I said "most AI art".

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          so why don't you post one

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            The point is that average AI output is superior to average human output. You know how bad the latter can be, disingenuous anon, and if you don't, just browse Deviantart for a few minutes.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              So why don't you post one

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                NTA because it doesn't matter what you post because you're making a circular argument and you're going to claim it's shit no matter how good it actually is.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                [...] (Me)
                It's hilarious, the low level of self-awareness you people possess thinking you're actually fooling people into believing that you're arguing in good faith when anybody with an IQ higher than their shoesize can call you out.

                because you'll just say 'nah i dont like that' and since art is subjective you'll be right. let's look at this objectively. ai is a tool for creating art. banning tools regresses the medium. this is a simple moral panic, like the one about photography in the 1840s. if history is any indication, the luddites will once again be on le wrong site of history.

                So why don't you post one

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                sure, here's a random piece I saw in an ai thread on BOT a few weeks ago that I liked

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Bro went silent tq

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                yeah his prewritten response about
                >masterpiece, trending on artstation, ((big boobs))
                didn't fit so he gave up

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                NTA because it doesn't matter what you post because you're making a circular argument and you're going to claim it's shit no matter how good it actually is.

                (Me)
                It's hilarious, the low level of self-awareness you people possess thinking you're actually fooling people into believing that you're arguing in good faith when anybody with an IQ higher than their shoesize can call you out.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                because you'll just say 'nah i dont like that' and since art is subjective you'll be right. let's look at this objectively. ai is a tool for creating art. banning tools regresses the medium. this is a simple moral panic, like the one about photography in the 1840s. if history is any indication, the luddites will once again be on le wrong site of history.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        saito naoki, and probably ixy too, was very pro ai art generation as a tool, art in general will get better

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      if you're butthurt about ai art just add "-ai-created" to your search term. feel free to thank me for revealing this hidden knowledge to you.
      I don't like pregnancy hentai, but I just add "-pregnant" to my search terms instead of petitioning art hosting platforms to ban pregnancy art.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I don't like pregnancy hentai
        pleb
        AI art needs its own booru, that's the simplest solution

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          there's one, but not many people use
          https://aibooru.online/

  9. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    dont care, I hided the AI-Generated tag

  10. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >charging for AI images
    That people disgust me

  11. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    ai trannies on suicide watch fricking LMAOOOO

  12. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    What stops you from saying you drew it yourself?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      for now? imprefections that are prevalent in ai art, linke messed up fingers or garbled text.

      soon? nothing.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Just two more weeks, right? you aigays are fricking pathetic

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >technology can't improve
          get out of BOT

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            I didn't say that

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >from feb
          there are new methods you can get perfect fingers using sd but some moron still dont use it
          https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/105623179

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >progress doesnt happen

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      The luddites are mentally ill and will err heavily on the side of false-positive.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's obvious when it's a paint over, and if you spent enough time editing/compositing/adding then at some point it IS your work and the AI output was basically reference material

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      just trace an AI artwork yourself
      then you even have a project file to point to

  13. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    On the practical side of things:

    They may just be flooded with art.

    There were apparently cases of people using... illegal images... as a base and running an AI filter over them, then posting the results. Not sure how much truth there was to that though.

    Artists are whining.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      There was worse, there was giant packs of AI art and then real stuff mixed in with the understanding people were buying the real stuff

  14. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >not using this as an opportunity to set up a "Pixiv for AI" in a country that doesn't care about copyright

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >a country that doesn't care about copyright
      do they have oil?
      >freedomTM intensifies

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Literally willing to start a pointless war that kills countless people because of anti-AI seethe
        Bro that's beyond fricked up. Like you should seriously consider consulting a psychiatric professional without delay. You are a broken and frightening person.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          he didn't say that

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Humanity started wars over "Well we can't let the hypothetical Communism wave spread". AI and copyright are serious issues by comparison

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Other people murdered millions of countless people so why shouldn't I?
            Get help. Now.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          willing
          I meant to imply that whatever governs the US would be literally willing to do so, ultimately. Though they would begin the war with their usual toolkit of violence disguising itself as gentle influence, like sanctions, and subtle threats by adding the country to certain state department lists.
          For some reason copyright, particularly over cultural artifacts since China's gotten away with copying actual concrete things to manufacture, is a crucial component of greater US hegemony.

  15. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    What's next for AI art now?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Bloatmaxxing

  16. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not surprisingly since it matters of time before ai gays will bloat every art related sites with ai generated art killing interest of real drawgays, kinda I wonder if self learning ai will start to learn anatomy and colouring from itself and slowly reduce quality of it's work.

  17. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Fanbox is nip artist website, they probably threatened platform to leave, and they are core content creators unlike proooompters
    Instead of banning AIshit fanbox better make mechanism to ensure artist to create ANY fricking content they promised once per month

  18. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    The pixiv has fallen.

  19. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    How can they enforce it?
    >User: "I made this image." (is AI art)
    >Pixiv: "That's an AI image."
    >User: "No (Lie). Listen everyone! Pixiv is banning artists!"
    As long as you inpaint the errors of AI (which pretty much every posted JP AI poster does) there is no way to tell.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      That is a fictional scenario that happened in your head

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        There are plenty of cases where people can't tell apart AI art from human art.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          no matter how many times you post it, your falseflag will never be valid evidence

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      To add to this, they are basically banning people from saying it's AI art, not that AI art is banned.
      Is pic here AI or human made? It's convincing enough you can claim is either and Pixiv won't be able to tell.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        hands cropped out of picture
        yeah bro, nobody is capable of telling this is ai
        absolutely, nuh-uh

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          so images with the hands cropped out should be banned on fanbox?

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            that's not what I said

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              >that's not what I said
              Then what did you said?
              You are literally claiming it's AI because the hands are out of the frame.
              Plenty of artists do portraits or just do not do hands, if that's your metric you are just claiming their art is not human made.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >what did you said?
                Of fricking course it's an ESL
                You "people" are fricking scum

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                post hand

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                this image was ai generated btw

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Not answering because you are moronic.
                >"YOU CROPPED THE HANDS OUT OF FRAME!! TOTALLY AI"

                hands cropped out of picture


                yeah bro, nobody is capable of telling this is ai
                absolutely, nuh-uh
                >"So your metric to say it's AI is when hands are out of frame"

                so images with the hands cropped out should be banned on fanbox?


                >"Th-that-that's not what i said ESL ESL ESL!! you are""people"" "
                Reddit-tier whine.
                Again: If you are going to focus on the hands to say it's AI art then what about the artists that don't draw hands?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/zp7fGmB.jpg

                this image was ai generated btw

                post hand

                I knew ai sissies were easy to troll but this is way too easy lmao
                YWNBAW/RA

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                this image was ai generated btw you can tell because of le hands

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                why is it that artistically challenged aitrannies assume everyone's like them

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                whats the DEAL with ai generated hands? they're not ai generated, and they're not hands!

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        shading looks like ai
        shadows look like ai
        coloring looks like ai
        eyelashes look like ai
        bangs look like ai
        ears look like ai
        text looks like ai
        head height looks like random poster on /ic/
        abyssorangemix looks like ai

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        That’s AI

  20. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    post your face when you're not an ai troon

  21. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    AI "art" is soulless, it's that simple.

  22. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Keep arguing you gays, start throwing shit and calling eachother trannies already.

  23. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's part of the Japanese psyche to be wary of foreign fads. They have their own unique culture of visual arts, and now they're watching as hordes of foreigners flood their beloved platforms with soulless trash.

  24. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    generated pics are just garbage. anyone can generate infinite amount of such pics and there is no reasons to pollute websites with them. i don't want to see random garbage on platform where people share their art. simple as.

  25. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I love how every AI gallery on e-hentai gets instantly review bombed with 1 star ratings, even though they are objectively of higher quality in terms of detail, anatomy, and composition, than your average submission. Luddites are mentally ill, and they WILL LOSE. They too will eventually be cooming exclusively to AI-generated pixels. It's just a matter of time.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      just let them kick and scream. it's all they've got left. this time next year there won't be a way to tell the difference.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      are you dumb? betterness is not a metric in that case. pixiv is designed for hand crafted content and it's not a place for procgen content. it's that simple.

      proompters need to create their own proomptbooru where they can share images along prompts. that would be actually useful.

  26. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    damn you ai trannies really are throwing a shitfit over this win for real artists

  27. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Actually speaking of this, is there a way to filter out AI art on pixiv? I've seen some decent stuff actually but some tags are absolutely fricked because of it. Best example I can think of is the Megumin tag.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      -AI_generated

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous
    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Go to your site settings and turn off AI works

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        The worst part is that stuff still gets through. I've turned it off and AI tagged slop still comes up frequently. And of course some people straight up lie.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Profile settings has a checkbox to display/hide AI-generated content.

  28. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    They cannot enforce it if all known machine errors are masked. How can they tell?

  29. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    How are they going to enforce it though? Anyone can report someone baselessly claiming their art is AI generated.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Are you seriously assuming you can't tell AIslop at a glance?
      This simple trick works with both AIcels and their gens:
      >show hand

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Hands get fixed by photoshop and inpainting.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          If you can actually draw hands that don't look like garbage then you're already an artist.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        we already had this discussion. ai art is improving every single day. you don't think in a year from now they'll have fixed that issue?

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >ai art is improving every single day
          lol
          >you don't think in a year from now they'll have fixed that issue?
          no lol

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            to be honest you're coping or not paying attention. while the slop generated by the average homosexual on novelai is still very distinguishable at a single glance, more and more people are getting very, very good with those tools. Considering the time frame for how long stable diffusion has been around, it's not hard to tell where this is going

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            you're delusional. the only way this technology doesn't become the primary medium for creating art, music, journalism, novels, and everything else is if Israel starts continuously detonating EMPs in the upper atmosphere for the rest of time

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            so you haven't been following ai assisted tools Gaugan was dogshit only a couple years ago now its pretty good

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Both hands and letters are fixed issues to a degree. The biggest giveaway of AI art is their style and theme anyways. Complex stuff is hard to do, and the default proompter style is quite easy to detect from a mile.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Are you seriously assuming you can't tell AIslop at a glance?
        >This simple trick works with both AIcels and their gens:
        >>show hand
        So this is human made or AI?

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Retouched AI drawn in the style of a popular artist by a mentally ill stalker AIcel. You can tell because the hands are trash and the shadowing is schizophrenic as hell.

          to be honest you're coping or not paying attention. while the slop generated by the average homosexual on novelai is still very distinguishable at a single glance, more and more people are getting very, very good with those tools. Considering the time frame for how long stable diffusion has been around, it's not hard to tell where this is going

          The problem with these models is that they're already reaching their theoretical peak, especially for local efforts. I won't deny some AIslop can't be okay (you can still tell it's AI) but you're working with one shit-stained nugget of gold from a batch of thousands of turds.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Lmao. You couldn't post something else?
            just look at any of the fricking ducks.

            >You can tell because the hands are trash and the shadowing is schizophrenic as hell.
            >just look at any of the fricking ducks.
            That's how diva draws, the hands are blobs and the ducks are yellow blobs.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              https://i.imgur.com/gQTROiF.jpg

              >Are you seriously assuming you can't tell AIslop at a glance?
              >This simple trick works with both AIcels and their gens:
              >>show hand
              So this is human made or AI?

              Jesus Christ. Kys for being so moronic. Those look nothing alike.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              >ai troony's hands and ducks get criticized
              >"IT'S THE ORIGINAL ARTIST'S FAULT"
              ai Black folk are something else lmao

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              And yet it was still incredibly easy to tell that what you posted was AI
              A human fricking up is very different from the AI fricking up. If you don't yet understand that you're just a dumb proompter who doesn't actually pay attention to what they're genning and should learn to apply yourself.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Lmao. You couldn't post something else?
          just look at any of the fricking ducks.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/QESQ4LV.jpg

          [...]
          >You can tell because the hands are trash and the shadowing is schizophrenic as hell.
          >just look at any of the fricking ducks.
          That's how diva draws, the hands are blobs and the ducks are yellow blobs.

          Not surprised that ai troons can’t tell the difference between og art and ai shit

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            [...]
            Jesus Christ. Kys for being so moronic. Those look nothing alike.

            >ai troony's hands and ducks get criticized
            >"IT'S THE ORIGINAL ARTIST'S FAULT"
            ai Black folk are something else lmao

            >"It's totally different than the artist NOOO I WON'T EXPLAIN WHY IT JUST IS!!"
            This is like when artists claimed human art was better because it had "soul", when asked what "soul" was they just threw a tantrum.
            What if i said

            https://i.imgur.com/gQTROiF.jpg

            >Are you seriously assuming you can't tell AIslop at a glance?
            >This simple trick works with both AIcels and their gens:
            >>show hand
            So this is human made or AI?

            is NOT AI art?
            How do you prove it is when

            https://i.imgur.com/QESQ4LV.jpg

            [...]
            >You can tell because the hands are trash and the shadowing is schizophrenic as hell.
            >just look at any of the fricking ducks.
            That's how diva draws, the hands are blobs and the ducks are yellow blobs.

            shows the hands, ducks and shading are drawn the same.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              didn't read
              cope seethe and rage all you want ai troon, you will never be an artist
              sweet digits tho

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >shows the hands, ducks and shading are drawn the same.
                What the frick are you talking about
                Fricking AIjeets are so artblind like this esl [...]

                > What if i said [...] # is NOT AI art?
                You would still be caught lying, dumbfrick. Not surprised, since your kind are literal subhuman.

                https://i.imgur.com/PxwqenE.gif

                >hands, ducks and shading are drawn the same
                Ykw, I don't think there's any reason to worry about AI. Not when morons like these are the ones using it.

                Look and behold, not a single "artists" was able to answer.
                All they do is dismiss the question while proclaiming they are right.
                And this is why the average person is now using AI instead of commission an artist.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                This isn't a valid gotcha moment, sorry pajeet

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >this. the [delusions]
                ai trannies are mentally unwell

                https://i.imgur.com/BbOtiHh.png

                Literally took a couple of minutes, this is how your future will look like being a touchup artist for the glorious Ai.
                [...]
                Post your work Inkcel.

                >this. the [delusions]
                ai trannies are mentally unwell

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Right here moron:

                You don't know anything about art or photography or composition or anything at all so you don't know what to look for, even when people explain it you don't know what they're saying.
                You don't know anything about camera angles, perspective, lighting, shading, shadows, etc so when someone says "the image has a flat diffuse global illumination, like all AI, with shadows composited on like decals" you can't even begin to understand my technical observation let alone refute it.

                Do you understand that you are out if your depth, that you lack the tools necessary to even begun to understand the problem let alone ever talk about it intelligently?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                You don't know anything about art or photography or composition or anything at all so you don't know what to look for, even when people explain it you don't know what they're saying.
                You don't know anything about camera angles, perspective, lighting, shading, shadows, etc so when someone says "the image has a flat diffuse global illumination, like all AI, with shadows composited on like decals" you can't even begin to understand my technical observation let alone refute it.

                Do you understand that you are out if your depth, that you lack the tools necessary to even begun to understand the problem let alone ever talk about it intelligently?

                So, artists cannot differentiate between a cartoon drawing and a photograph.
                And use composition to claim something is not human made.
                What about this?
                Can't see the hands.
                No background or composition.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              >shows the hands, ducks and shading are drawn the same.
              What the frick are you talking about
              Fricking AIjeets are so artblind like this esl

              be honest,most people just look at any art for a couple of secs before scrolling past it no matter how great it is,no one other than the artists care about minute details

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              > What if i said

              https://i.imgur.com/gQTROiF.jpg

              >Are you seriously assuming you can't tell AIslop at a glance?
              >This simple trick works with both AIcels and their gens:
              >>show hand
              So this is human made or AI? # is NOT AI art?
              You would still be caught lying, dumbfrick. Not surprised, since your kind are literal subhuman.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              >hands, ducks and shading are drawn the same
              Ykw, I don't think there's any reason to worry about AI. Not when morons like these are the ones using it.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              You don't know anything about art or photography or composition or anything at all so you don't know what to look for, even when people explain it you don't know what they're saying.
              You don't know anything about camera angles, perspective, lighting, shading, shadows, etc so when someone says "the image has a flat diffuse global illumination, like all AI, with shadows composited on like decals" you can't even begin to understand my technical observation let alone refute it.

              Do you understand that you are out if your depth, that you lack the tools necessary to even begun to understand the problem let alone ever talk about it intelligently?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >You don't know anything about art or photography or composition or anything at all so you don't know what to look for, even when people explain it you don't know what they're saying.
                Anon....it's a cartoon-style drawing.
                A doodle.
                Why are you bringing photography into this, trying to make it deeper than it is?
                The hands and ducks just look like the artist draw them, since the hands was the main argument, there is NO WAY to prove

                https://i.imgur.com/gQTROiF.jpg

                >Are you seriously assuming you can't tell AIslop at a glance?
                >This simple trick works with both AIcels and their gens:
                >>show hand
                So this is human made or AI?

                is NOT ai unless you google, at which point you admit you cannot really see it by eye.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >The hands and ducks just look like the artist draw them
                No they don't, and if you actually think so you're bad at using AI on top of being a stupid ESL.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >No they don't
                This is pretty much the best argument artists have: "lol no".
                None was able to point out why the hand is supposedly totally different, just ranting about unrelated stuff like photography here

                You don't know anything about art or photography or composition or anything at all so you don't know what to look for, even when people explain it you don't know what they're saying.
                You don't know anything about camera angles, perspective, lighting, shading, shadows, etc so when someone says "the image has a flat diffuse global illumination, like all AI, with shadows composited on like decals" you can't even begin to understand my technical observation let alone refute it.

                Do you understand that you are out if your depth, that you lack the tools necessary to even begun to understand the problem let alone ever talk about it intelligently?

                All that deflection really shows how they have no argument and are just scared about a superior technology.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                You are so moronic it's unreal. There's nothing deep about basic fundamentals like color or shadow, you fricking ignorant moron.
                You are so stupid you don't know how stupid you are, you are peak Dunning-Krueger.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >the image has a flat diffuse global illumination, like all AI, with shadows composited on like decals
                This is wrong. Shadows in AI are like remembering a shadow in a scene in your brain. The AI programming nowhere near all the complexities your brain does nor will it have for at least a decade. They are not composited on like decals. It's just wrong.
                It's not true they all have global illumination. It depends on the prompt. You don't know anything about photography or the neuroscience of it.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Well then if AI art doesn't have the same quality of
                >camera angles, perspective, lighting, shading, shadows
                then why the frick does it have to be banned lol? GTFO 9/10 artists on pixiv don't know shit about the concepts you're talking about either.
                People out here acting like anime fanart and cartoon porn are the peak of human creativity.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                No moron, you don't need to know why something looks wrong to know it looks wrong. You need to know why it looks off if you want to make it look right.

                >I can't see that it's shit so no one else can either!
                They can, you're just a tasteless moron.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >They can, you're just a tasteless moron.
                NTA, but... Anon, I don't know how to tell you this, but...
                Most consumers for which most entertainment, art, commissions and more is created for are philistine who don't possess any sort of higher appreciation or understanding of art.
                Even if you do, you're a minority of a minority.
                Just look at what's considered widely popular and "taste" of common/average person.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                You don't need high appreciation. I am talking about fundamental traits if the human visual cortex. When people say "soul vs soulless" what they are really saying is they don't like something but can't describe why but they know the traits are present in a whole class of art they call "soulless".

                I can objectively break down and describe these traits, without judgement. But you cannot understand my analysis.
                You see this is all about aesthetics. Aesthetics is an arbitrary, regionally defined, time period defined, set of traits.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                I understand what you mean by "soul", but my standing on the topic is that there's no "soul".
                There's nothing intangible about an art piece. The "soul" simply comes out from objectively observable features of the piece. Most people simply can't describe those features because they lack the ability to do so not because there's something magical about it.
                This "soul" can be taught and replicated, if that wasn't the case people themselves wouldn't be able to create "soulful" art pieces, therefore the very idea that AI art lacks soul is completely non-sensical.
                Human created art can also be flat and lack as much soul as the worst, lowest quality AI generated image does.
                Therefore I disagree that any argument against AI generated art based on "It lacks soul!" is a valid argument.

                If anything, the very fact that some people argue this is just another example how humans think. They expect PERFECTION from AI and anything less than utter perfection is looked upon with disdain and shunned.
                I marvel at how far the AI generated art has gotten in just during the past few months, let alone during the past 1-3 years since it grew in popularity.
                Humans are plain simpletons who cling to the idea of exceptionality and anything that threatens that exceptionality creates a knee-jerk reaction in an attempt to protect that self-perception of themselves, as otherwise they will grow depressed from the idea that their skill(set) might be easily replicated.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                The point is the original, human created art that AI art is using for their datasets are already made by amateur morons who rarely take the things you're talking about into account.
                Even the best of these artists just take existing IPs, make works from commission prompts, and (if they're actually good) work for soulless corporations that have a predetermined set of standards to abide by.
                You are the tasteless moron if you think that 99% of pixiv art is actually creative and valuable to the human race in any.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              delusional.
              touch grass unironically

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Duck bills, directional shadows screwy, shadows on left figure, eye specularity, identical pose on sitting figures, duck in the bottom left has AI melt, other signs of decal based rendering

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          lmfao le prooompter literally can't tell the low quality ai art.
          those fricking ducks lol

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >show hand
        What is controlnet

        Have you been living in a cage for the past 3 months ?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        You're saying this as if all artists draw ideal hands, man.
        If you put even a tiny bit of effort into the gen, hands are going to be just fine, especially if you have at least a little knowledge of anatomy/theory of art.
        Never earned anything from neural art, never going to, but it's a very fun thing to do still.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          I can't tell if this is ai generated or not

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            It is, although I used controlnet and fixed some errors afterwards. Pre-upscale version looked like this.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            then you're dumb

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              don't smash your keyboard so hard artgay kek

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                seriously, you didn't notice the katana doesn't even have an edge
                or the weird smudged details everywhere?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                show your work

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >show your work
                Ok rate it.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                100% AI generated
                Overbaked

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                You are correct, and I had to touch it up manually afterwards too

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Use BasedMix if you want great simple 2D art. BasedMix64 is a bit more realistic, BasedMix65 is more traditional.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >don't smash your keyboard so hard artgay kek
                But you are already doing that with all your prooompting, troon

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Looks like complete dog shit. A complete beginner at drawing is better than this.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Behold the "progress" of artists.
            Yes, those people that hate AI art so much because of shading, proportions and hands are wrong.
            These are the people that tell you you should devote years to drawing instead of use AI because "it's better".

            How does your art look?

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              you do realise ai "art" literally couldn't exist without real artists?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Only AI art?
                See picture.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                what a moronic picture, because you can literally look at the bottle of wine and apple yourself

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >he thinks the picture is about looking at wine and apples

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                that's exactly what the picture's about you fricking idiot.
                art is human interpolation of reality, humans can directly experience reality.
                ai is interpolating an interpolation, it has no experience of the source material (reality)

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                What is fanart then?
                Do most artist that work on large project and established series who only recreate and interpolate existing art pieces not produce real art?
                Is it "real art" only when it's created from scratch without any outside intervention, inspiration or influence despite that being impossible?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                The base stable diffusion certainly has experience of the original thing, considering it was primarily trained on real images. And technically, nobody has experienced the original source material; everything is experienced through personal bias.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >trained on real images.
                Not the same as experiencing reality

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Ignores the rest of the post
                as expected

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Because it's pseud bs, muh everything is subjective

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                There's a stanch difference between qualia adjacent stuff and acknowledging obvious differences in perception. Are you actually trying to arguing that that's not real? Because that just paints you as an idiot for everyone in the thread fyi.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                learn how to english first bugman

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Right back at you friend.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >no u
                creativity of your average prooompter

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Right back at you friend.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                reddit response

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Ignored

                What is fanart then?
                Do most artist that work on large project and established series who only recreate and interpolate existing art pieces not produce real art?
                Is it "real art" only when it's created from scratch without any outside intervention, inspiration or influence despite that being impossible?

                because he literally can't refute it.
                kek

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                If someone creates fanart they're still using their real world experience to create said fanart.
                that's why fanart doesn't have fricked up hands unless an ai did it.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                By your logic that's still an interpolation same as an AI would do.
                How is an artist that interpolates existing anime girl drawn by another artist who either captured reality or used their imagination and interpolated it onto a physical/digital medium any different from AI?
                Both are performing interpolation.
                And no, the fact that they have fricked up hands is technological issue, not philosophical/art-related one. It will get solved and it actually is more or less solved for the most part. There's a reason why drawing hands is one of the hardest things to get right in art, anon. If you use that as an argument, then many artists can get hands right.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                this fricking cope is unreal kek

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                non argument

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                You are unironically moronic.
                Like others pointed out, that author uses symbolism in his art.
                The meaning is basically what

                the point is artists copy other artists and they learn by copying. you could never copyright a style, and most successful artists are successful because of their ability to network and secure employement/funding not because they were masters at the craft. really popular artists usually do create their own unique style that catches people's attention but eventually that gets incorporated into the norm. the fact is, most people who can do art DONT do art, they have regular jobs instead so it was always a niche industry. it being niche is what let corporations take it over with their standardized homosexual styles and make everything so boring and samey. so when some anime style gets fed into an ai and now you can force images of whatever you want in that style, people view it as novel and amazing. Not because its novel and amazing but because the 1 dude doing that style just doesnt have the time or finanical motivation to draw your specific niche fetish or whatever.

                obviously, if you are that one guy with an interesting style you'd rather monopolize what youve created, but everyone else just wants more mindless content to consume and dont care.

                ai art is useful and fun tool. it can help you make more of your own art if its good, and it can be used as a crutch if you arent by copying someone else's style without the effort. Good artists will never be put out of business, simply because they will just keep innovating and perfecting their craft. A copy will, after all, always be a copy no matter how good the coppier gets at copying.

                but the midwit homosexuals who try to profit off doing extremely niche stuff are out of luck.

                said.
                If your smooth brain still hasn't gotten it: AI exists because of human artists? Human artists exist because of other artists. You don't learn on a vacuum, be AI or human.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >others
                Lol

                >AI exists because of human artists? Human artists exist because of other artists
                Nope, human artists exist because of the inherent artistic expression contained within humanity.
                Who did the first artist copy from?

                By your logic that's still an interpolation same as an AI would do.
                How is an artist that interpolates existing anime girl drawn by another artist who either captured reality or used their imagination and interpolated it onto a physical/digital medium any different from AI?
                Both are performing interpolation.
                And no, the fact that they have fricked up hands is technological issue, not philosophical/art-related one. It will get solved and it actually is more or less solved for the most part. There's a reason why drawing hands is one of the hardest things to get right in art, anon. If you use that as an argument, then many artists can get hands right.

                It isn't.
                what ai does is a cargo cult understanding. it doesn't understand the actual concepts behind the pixels it draws beyond the general shape of them, the fanartist does however, at least to a certain extent.
                mimicry does not equal interpolation.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                I don't think you understand what interpolation means

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous
              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >mimicry does not equal interpolation.
                Let's assume that's correct, as whenever it is true or not is immaterial right now.
                Give me ONE (1) reason why should I or anyone correct if the entity, be their a human or an AI, understands art, possess consciousness or have any other property or quality to them if all we are considering the quality of the final product.
                I and nearly every single person alive, outside of you it seems, cares about the inner workings of how the entity behind the art went about creating it.

                You're basing your argument on the fact that AI and humans work differently. Why the hell do you expect two completely different entities to work the exact same way?
                Does a spider understands that their webs are work of art for us? Do they understand art? Can they appreciate it?
                No, they can't as far as we can tell. The knowledge, intent or anything you can argue of the entity behind the creation is irrelevant when one considers the final creation.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >NO NO NO AI IS ART I'M A REAL ARTIST STOP CALLING ME A FAKE ARTIST AHHHHHHHHHHH

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >never said or implied anything like that
                You lost the plot, anon.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                ESL maxing
                what in the frick are you trying to say here?

                moron Black person

                Coping AIBlack person

                >no counter-argument
                Concession accepted.

                >be their a human or an AI, understands art, possess consciousness or have any other property or quality to them if all we are considering the quality of the final product.
                because the quality of the input effects the output?
                what a stupidass question

                The fact that AI can do

                https://i.imgur.com/Wqo1nHF.jpg

                You're saying this as if all artists draw ideal hands, man.
                If you put even a tiny bit of effort into the gen, hands are going to be just fine, especially if you have at least a little knowledge of anatomy/theory of art.
                Never earned anything from neural art, never going to, but it's a very fun thing to do still.

                and it will only get better completely nullifies your argument about quality of the input or output.
                Face it, you're hanging on that one thread that a year ago most models couldn't make even semi-good looking hands, which is already changing and will eventually get fixed whenever you want it or not.
                You can't even come up with any other arguments outside of the hands, which is honestly quite pathetic.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >The fact that AI can do (garbage) and it will only get slightly less garbage completely nullifies your argument about quality of the input or output.
                no it doesn't, you completely miss the point.
                500B more parameters will never give ai a first hand understanding of base reality.
                cope harder bugman

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >thinks AI generated art will never again improved and the current tech is the best it will ever be
                If you genuinely believe that, what are you even doing on BOT? You literally have no place here with this kind of simple outlook on technological progress.
                Get out of here.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                AI generated art will never again improved and the current tech is the best it will ever be
                sounds like a complete strawman you just made up.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                He never said that and you're still missing the underlying point dumbass.
                even if more perams allow an ai to draw a hand more correctly, it will never allow the ai to know what it feels like to use a hand, or touch a hand, and so on.
                it doesn't know anything about a hand except the general shape of one, or that it's attached to your 1girl (which it also doesn't know anything about except the general shape of a 1girl)
                it will never have first hand experience with any of these concepts

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >it will never allow the ai to know what it feels like to use a hand, or touch a hand, and so on.
                You don't know how it feels either.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >You don't know how it feels [to have hands] either.
                homie wat?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                I already refuted that.

                >mimicry does not equal interpolation.
                Let's assume that's correct, as whenever it is true or not is immaterial right now.
                Give me ONE (1) reason why should I or anyone correct if the entity, be their a human or an AI, understands art, possess consciousness or have any other property or quality to them if all we are considering the quality of the final product.
                I and nearly every single person alive, outside of you it seems, cares about the inner workings of how the entity behind the art went about creating it.

                You're basing your argument on the fact that AI and humans work differently. Why the hell do you expect two completely different entities to work the exact same way?
                Does a spider understands that their webs are work of art for us? Do they understand art? Can they appreciate it?
                No, they can't as far as we can tell. The knowledge, intent or anything you can argue of the entity behind the creation is irrelevant when one considers the final creation.

                It doesn't fricking matter how AI does it, how it feels while creating an art piece or whenever it's conscious or not.
                If the outputted image is up to your satisfaction and exactly what you wanted why do you even care?
                This argument that the AI "doesn't understand" is completely baseless and makes no sense .

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                You're wrong, and you'll never understand why because you're too stupid.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >you're wrong because I feel its wrong and you just don't understand
                Pathetic.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Amazing non-argument

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                He's unironically a bugman tbh. this is the way chinks ""think""

              • 10 months ago
                w7-890

                https://i.imgur.com/DeSr2Dw.jpg

                /ic/GOD here
                just coming in here to watch the ai tanny meltdown

                https://i.imgur.com/WDCkLQE.jpg

                ai trannies on suicide watch fricking LMAOOOO

                nice next GPU throw out when? hope they're cheap on the next aliexpress sale

                https://i.imgur.com/1PNFvuZ.jpg

                There are plenty of cases where people can't tell apart AI art from human art.

                https://i.imgur.com/vglNYta.jpg

                The luddites are mentally ill and will err heavily on the side of false-positive.

                based now i could make it appear as if some random furry artist drew pro-zoophile cub art simulate fake screenshot and pretend as if it were instantly deleted leaks for quick lulz on twitter now imagine the devious implications

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                You're wrong, and you'll never understand why because you're too stupid.

                Are you a woman by any chance?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Are you mentally handicapped by any chance?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I already refuted that (links to hardly legible esl babble)
                you did?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >It doesn't fricking matter how AI does it
                yes it does, it has no idea what it's doing and is incapable of artistic expression i.e. what humans do to express their interpretation of reality
                >something ai is incapable of doing

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Oh, I definitely see how thousands of artists who draw smut or do professional work for studios "express" themselves.
                Especially the commission artists.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                expression of a human emotion called lust, yes.

                What does knowing what it's doing have to do with doing it? You don't know how the muscles in your hand work specifically. Does that mean you're not using them to type?

                >You don't know how the muscles in your hand work specifically.
                I actually do, even if not necessarily on a conscious level.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I actually do, even if not necessarily on a conscious level.
                Ah great. If conscious understanding isn't required, only ability to utilize, then by that definition AI understands what it's doing to. Cool, thanks for conceding.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >If conscious understanding isn't required, only ability to utilize, then by that definition AI understands what it's doing to.
                nope, because ai doesn't have any understanding, conscious or otherwise.

                >expression of a human emotion called lust, yes.
                You really think that all artists that draw lewd commission experience lust while they draw?
                I'm starting to think you're really insane.

                they are expressing the emotion of lust through their lustful artwork.

                >TOPKEK they're all clearly your esl ramblings.
                Uh oh, it's schizo time
                Tell me, are the ESLs in the room with you right now?

                >who did the first artist copy from?
                What does that have to do with modern artists?

                >What does that have to do with modern artists?
                because your entire claim of "human artists only exist because they copy other artists" is complete bs without you saying who the first human artist copied

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, every single piece of modern art exists off the backs of other artists.

                If you're talking about the first forms of visual depictions, they were interpretations of visual stimuli, just like an AI model trained on pictures of real life.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Yes, every single piece of modern art exists off the backs of other artists.
                >If you're talking about the first forms of visual depictions, they were interpretations of visual stimuli,
                both statements flat out incorrect.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Why?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Waste of time explaining to a bugman

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                because the first claim is unsubstantiated and the second is incorrect.
                the first art was interpretations of all the stimuli humans experienced

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >because the first claim is unsubstantiated
                If you're not an artist then why participate in the thread? /ic/ would laugh in your face

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                sounds like

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >to

                >expression of a human emotion called lust, yes.
                You really think that all artists that draw lewd commission experience lust while they draw?
                I'm starting to think you're really insane.

                >commission

                Only one of those posts is mine, and it's unrelated to what you're talking about. That point was never dropped though, it was just never address by (you)

                >address
                lmao the chink samegayging is insane

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >STILL can't adress the arguments
                Keep trying
                One of those posts is mine, and I'm english btw

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                They're all yours and you're engrish btw

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                If you consider Oxford engrish then I think you're internal map might be a bit off.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                LMFAO YOU JUST GOOGLED THE DICTIONARY AND IT CAME UP WITH OXFORD
                LOLOLOL

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                That's the city I liv in anon...

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >liv
                you live in woohan tiwan

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >expression of a human emotion called lust, yes.
                You really think that all artists that draw lewd commission experience lust while they draw?
                I'm starting to think you're really insane.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                What does knowing what it's doing have to do with doing it? You don't know how the muscles in your hand work specifically. Does that mean you're not using them to type?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >AI express itself
                God damn, you're a moron.
                The purpose of AI tasked with generating AI art isn't to express itself, but to create visuals based on desires of the user.
                You're arguing against AI generated art on basis of something the technology is not meant to do.
                If you want AI with self-expression go look into AGI, moron.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Tbqh stable diffusion stagnated quite a bit last few months.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                I know and that's fair, but Stable Diffusion isn't end all be all solution for AI generated art and definitely not the end of the road.
                Whenever or not we will see its replacement in a month or three years is irrelevant.
                But the very idea of the AI art stagnating and never improving from now on anons in the thread have is just ludicrous.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >But the very idea of the AI art stagnating and never improving from now on anons in the thread have is just ludicrous.
                Yeah it is, but I personally don't care about closed cloudshit that much, it's no fun.

              • 10 months ago
                w7-890

                hehe hope GPT-4 gets hacked by lapsus this year is gonna be really fun now how do we generate underage stories with it?

              • 10 months ago
                w7-890

                is there a guide on how to generate zoophile shit or turn rainbow flags into israelite flags on SD? asking for a friend

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                ESL maxing
                what in the frick are you trying to say here?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                moron Black person

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >be their a human or an AI, understands art, possess consciousness or have any other property or quality to them if all we are considering the quality of the final product.
                because the quality of the input effects the output?
                what a stupidass question

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Coping AIBlack person

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                the point is artists copy other artists and they learn by copying. you could never copyright a style, and most successful artists are successful because of their ability to network and secure employement/funding not because they were masters at the craft. really popular artists usually do create their own unique style that catches people's attention but eventually that gets incorporated into the norm. the fact is, most people who can do art DONT do art, they have regular jobs instead so it was always a niche industry. it being niche is what let corporations take it over with their standardized homosexual styles and make everything so boring and samey. so when some anime style gets fed into an ai and now you can force images of whatever you want in that style, people view it as novel and amazing. Not because its novel and amazing but because the 1 dude doing that style just doesnt have the time or finanical motivation to draw your specific niche fetish or whatever.

                obviously, if you are that one guy with an interesting style you'd rather monopolize what youve created, but everyone else just wants more mindless content to consume and dont care.

                ai art is useful and fun tool. it can help you make more of your own art if its good, and it can be used as a crutch if you arent by copying someone else's style without the effort. Good artists will never be put out of business, simply because they will just keep innovating and perfecting their craft. A copy will, after all, always be a copy no matter how good the coppier gets at copying.

                but the midwit homosexuals who try to profit off doing extremely niche stuff are out of luck.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                For one who speaks about art, soul and stuff, the nuances of art are lost on you.
                The irony...

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Stupid ass

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Can they? Judging by what I've seen online I don't think it's true, but you probably know about art more given I've never even considered studying art. Still having fun with stable diffusion tho!

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            If that's dogshit then you clearly have unrealistic expectations and consider only <0.001% of art being created nowadays to be good.
            I dare you to say that a majority of normal people or just weebs would say it's dogshit. We both know you'd be lying through your teeth.
            Show us what you consider a good art.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              he obviously posted that just to shit on aibro

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      There's already tools out there for detecting it.

  30. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's about time they shut down the talentless hacks from here.

  31. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Pixiv is flooded with uninspired AI art. I'm not against AI art, far from it, it's just the majority of the art leverages 1% of the AI's capability

  32. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I AM A REAL ARTIST!

  33. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    literally who

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Lurk more before posting, newbie

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        dont think i will

  34. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is entirely because AIgays can't just keep their shit to themselves. All these pixiv changes are because one Japanese proomter had to brag to an artist about how he trained a model on his art and then made money off of fanbox. This caused huge drama and forced pixiv to respond.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      LINK ???

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://twitter.com/takigare3/status/1653276464836407296?s=20
      this is one out of like 5? high profile case where the AIgay brags loudly and directly on the artist's tweet about him making a database from a certain artist's images and is making bank by doing AI work in his style
      >LOL you can't copyright a style! get fricked artcucks!
      and then today happened.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yep. The artist noticed the AI shitter was stealing his artwork then selling it. The artist notified Pixiv & Fanbox then the AI shitter got eternally BTFO'd.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Today, I will remind them.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >It's okay when WE do it!

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          They are taught to copy manga since Day 1 so they can learn & develop better art skills. It has less to "stealing" & more to do with learning. Pic-rel. The greatest artists in history were good from years of copying.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >an /asg/ shill in the wild
            I'm going to admit that single panel blew my mind, I'm going to have a good read at this image if it wasn't for that panel I would have brushed you off.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            This leaves out the fact that the manga artists themselves are subject to very tight artistic restrictions and are beholden to the consumer bases that offer the most money.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              >an /asg/ shill in the wild
              I'm going to admit that single panel blew my mind, I'm going to have a good read at this image if it wasn't for that panel I would have brushed you off.

              They are taught to copy, not to steal. There's a difference. You NEED a master copy in order to learn from your mistakes. That's how you grow from permbeg tier to professional tier. It takes years & hours just to get good. Using AI instead learning basic fundamentals is flat out cheating. Mangakus are good at drawing manga because they have knowledge in basic fundamentals.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                I don't know about you, but I intend to learn from the Ai by studying from it. The Ai seems to amass a great sense of appeal from various sources all bundled up together into a singular image that depicts what's been prompted. Never mind the prompt itself, it's the fact that somebody had compiled a list of sources that each posses an appeal and that's the value I see from the Ai.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm gonna learn from an artbot that makes a ton of mistakes.
                Yeah good luck with that. AI shitters are nothing more than talentless hacks. AI art is the goyslop of art, so I'm happy you pAIjeets are getting BTFO'd by the art communities.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                I could care less if the next BOTlet makes a Shekel or two from Ai art, what I care about is the content being produced that was not there before the Ai allowed the next guy to produce his interpretations of a particular character. The floodgates have been opened and a sea of consciousness has been released with the adaptation of the Ai and I intend to swim in it. I am a drawgay, I care not about the art community and I could care less about the butthole that calls himself a #actualartist.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Nah man, you're talentless scum who flood the site with the same generic AI trash art as a million other chinks & pajeets there. I'd rather see your generic AI goyslop art in the dumpster.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                It seems like you are upset that the next guy can create an illustration of his waifu without having to deal with you. This seems more of a (you) issue than the Ai itself, as somebody mention in this thread the Ai may be seen as nothing more than a search engine that appeases bottom of the barrel tier consumers. Well I welcome it wholeheartedly if it means the Ai allows anybody to make more content of

                https://i.imgur.com/CwZ1R3x.png

                Thanks.
                Yeah, I fear no AI. I draw out if passion, and AI existence doesn't discourage me in any way. It even comes in handy to get references and inspiration.
                Just because I have a car I am not going to stop enjoying a nice walk in a park.

                through a medium that encapsulates different styles and renditions.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >nothing more than a search engine that appeases bottom of the barrel tier consumers
                It's more an offline simulated memory of the internet. But you can consider it an organic search engine. It doesn't take any humans jobs other than shuffling paper jobs which are an ulcer from the 80s because computing was turned consumer rather than fully functional.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                It almost the same face, same poses, same characters with almost every single AI image. There are tons of mistakes on the images. Things are melting into each other. It can't do hands, feet, or backgrounds. It can't even do animation correctly. It sucks at perspective & can't even do shading or highlighting correctly. I can always tell it's AI-generated just by looking at the piece. I have seen shit on pixiv done by AI shitters that looks borderline traced, & it's always the same AI shitters who are posting it.

                You're days as "artists" are numbered, AI grifters.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                I deal in the business of presenting ideas, and bringing concepts to life with form and shape in a visual medium. That sounds an awful lot like a concept artist back in the days of photobashing, amirite?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >There are tons of mistakes on the images. Things are melting into each other. It can't do hands, feet, or backgrounds. It can't even do animation correctly.
                And human artists do not make these mistakes?
                See pic here, plenty of errors.
                Composition.
                Shading.
                Anatomy.
                All are a mess.
                And this is the supposed "progress" of artists.
                Art is one of the few mediums where PRACTICE DOES NOT MEAN IMPROVEMENT.

                lmfao le prooompter literally can't tell the low quality ai art.
                those fricking ducks lol

                We already had this discussion above, that's how the artist draws ducks and hands.
                Then someone started ranting about photographs and unrelated stuff when asked to point out the differences between hands of the artists and the supposed AI image mimicking the artist. That and non-answers like

                delusional.
                touch grass unironically

                In the end no one could explain why the hands are so different and "totally AI".

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >that's how the artist draws ducks and hands.
                No it isn't. look at their eyes and feet ffs

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Art is one of the few mediums where PRACTICE DOES NOT MEAN IMPROVEMENT.
                You are dead wrong

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Well yeah. There are restrictions, you can't just copy Akira Toriyama work then claim it as your own. It's different if its fanart. Even nips respect copyright.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Copying is fine in Japan as long you aren't stealing someone else's OC. Vid-related.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            sour grapes lol. ywnbaa

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              >You will never be an artist
              Thank frick, I'll stick to AI generation rather than wasting my time drawing things thanks

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                > I'll stick to mcdonalds rather than wasting my time cooking things, thanks

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                > I'll stick to upper echelons of human ability with the click of a button rather than wasting thousands of hours doing it another way, thanks

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Congrats, that can be described with anything you moronic ai consoomer

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              I'm not a pAIjeet, homosexual

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        The funny thing is that jcom is made by Anti-AI people. Theres a lot of evidence going on as the fanbox can't be searched and twitter deleted after he post the fanbox. The biggest evidence is the edited payout money.
        https://twitter.com/ZYPpgcaJPJkZIzl/status/1653183479696490497

        That shit caused so much shitstorm on JP from pro AI, neutral nips, and Anti AI community

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          anyone archived the seethe posts ? seems like i missed out on some good drama

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            No one. But if you want drama just check the replies on FANBOX Twitter post
            https://twitter.com/pixivFANBOX/status/1656225243596455936

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Editing in an image editor
          >instead of simply editing the HTML like your usual IT scam
          That's how you know it was an artist and not a pajeet

  35. 10 months ago
    Anonymous
  36. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    It was mostly pissed off artists that had Loras based out them and the content was sold on Pixiv that caused the whole AI ban.

  37. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    /ic/GOD here
    just coming in here to watch the ai tanny meltdown

  38. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    AI artwork destroys their website. It's self-interest on part of the marketplace + artists, and very justified self-interest at that

  39. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    AHAHAHA fricking delicious aigay tears

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      /ic/ your oil painting of the fruitbowl is drying, go home.

  40. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    monetizing ai should be banned
    let's keep it all open and free
    like it should be

  41. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why is it only banned on FANBOX and not on entire Pixiv ?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why would they do it? There's a filter for AI if you're not aware.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Because the filter only works on art and not artists which makes pixiv requests unusable

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Then they could add a AI filter for Fanbox instead of banning it

        They're being inconsistent

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          This is the reason they're banning it.

          This is entirely because AIgays can't just keep their shit to themselves. All these pixiv changes are because one Japanese proomter had to brag to an artist about how he trained a model on his art and then made money off of fanbox. This caused huge drama and forced pixiv to respond.

  42. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Getting tired of AI art tbh.
    Exhentai is flooded with that shit and it looks so soulless and boring, just the same pinup pose of a randomly generated character.
    Go frick yourselves for ruining my favorite hentai site, ai leeches.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >can't filter for shit
      >looks at anything other than manga and doujins
      Mental illness is your personal problem.

  43. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >aipajeets are also hoe-girlve /vt/simps
    pathetic

  44. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    idk man,most ai art looks pretty good to me

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      LMFAO THAT HAND

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        You can't reason with porn addicts.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          be honest,most people just look at any art for a couple of secs before scrolling past it no matter how great it is,no one other than the artists care about minute details

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            I have far greater appreciation for even crappy fanart over AI slop. Even if I only look at the thumbnail for a half second, I'm glad someone put in the real effort to truly express their like of the character on a personal level. Even porn artists are exempt from this respect because they're a doing the character or franchise a disservice by bastardizing it and telling a lie. AI slop is disrespectful in a different way. It's mass produced trash made without real feeling. Lower than McDonalds. It's like selling Chinese plastic bins at Walmart and saying they were crafted with love and meticulous hard work. It's a crude mockery of art. AI generated images are the troony of art.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Does a quick touch up
        Nothing personnel, kid.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          LMFAO THAT HAND

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Literally took a couple of minutes, this is how your future will look like being a touchup artist for the glorious Ai.

            LMAO, that hand so fricking bad. You ai troons are talentless fricks

            Post your work Inkcel.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          What about the hand that's merging in-between her legs?

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          LMAO, that hand so fricking bad. You ai troons are talentless fricks

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          noice

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      The biggest eye-opener for me from AI art is just how dominant japanese anime/manga style has become.

      You can train on literally any artstyle out there, yet this is 99.9% of what the models are training on.

      I understand why nobody wants to generate ugly CALARTS shit, but there's a lot of western art styles from earlier that are great.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's because Japanese art is meticulously tagged compared to Western art

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's only on boorus that it's tagged while other boorus for western focus are just as well tagged. Pixiv tagging is dogshit.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >while other boorus for western focus are just as well tagged
            Not in my experience, you'd be lucky to get more than just the character and series on most uploads.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          And why is that ? Because it's so popular that weebs create insanely large image galleries and spend their spare time tagging it.

          What part of this don't you understand ?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      If you were seeing thousands of And Warhol originals being posted by And Warhol on pixiv, Twitter, e621, r34, and BOT then you would be sick of Warhols regardless of their objective artistic merit.

      It's just played out. And it's a problem of bad prompts; there are great images in the SD thread but it requires a lot of effort.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Everything about that image looks like a vomited mess.

  45. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >finally getting some good, if slightly inconsistent breast sized atelier hentai on pixiv
    >it gets banned a week later
    god damnit.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Just prompt it yourself you lazy frick

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >amd gpu

  46. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Good.
    Pixiv is flooded by dog-shit AI "art" that all use the same set.
    Chinese Patreon ebeggers will be on suicide watch.

  47. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >spam art sites with hundreds of thousands of melty deformed images
    >scrap databases and artist galleries to train models without the artists' consent
    >"hehehe this is progress is all about adapt or be left behind you luddite"

    >"NOOOO WHAT DO YOU MEAN PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR AND IMPLEMENTING WAYS TO REGULATE US THIS IS LITERALLY ANOTHA SHOAH AIYEEEEEEEE"
    You love to see it.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous
    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >>"NOOOO WHAT DO YOU MEAN PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR AND IMPLEMENTING WAYS TO REGULATE US THIS IS LITERALLY ANOTHA SHOAH AIYEEEEEEEE"
      What ways are they implementing?
      They are literally saying "Don't post AI art guys" BECAUSE they cannot properly filter it.
      Here is a question for artists: How would you make a filter for AI art that doesn't require the creator to say "yes, this is AI"?

      You require the other party to acknowledge it because you cannot filter it without catch human art too.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      In the future with a sufficiently advanced language model with fine tuning capabilities you can take a public domain art set and produce any style by simply critiquing the AI and it will keep producing new art styles until you're happy with the result. Current AI art is overly reliant on the dataset but in the future AI will be more adaptive in real time especially since it's a requirement to do AI-generated animations as the AI needs to have a fundamental 3D understanding of its subjects.

  48. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    And nothing value lost. Artchads win again.

  49. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I can agree on the part where literal monkeys do non-stop raw gen spamming, they should be banned for shitting up almost every tag, its not even that hard to fix irregularities, hate those lazy monkeys

    pic related a gift i made for a friend

  50. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Women have ovaries.
    Artists can draw.

    AI trannies should accelerate their desired AI singularity where they won't have to think about anything and be in constant joy by just finally going and fricking killing themselves.

  51. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is dumb decision. People who pay money in this manner likely do not care if something is AI art or not. Ai friendly sites like this will outcompete in the long run, storage is cheap.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Then why don't AIgays get their own sites instead of invading preexisting spaces for artists

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        No

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >they should be segregated to separate websites so that we can more effectively cut off their income by harassing their web host and payment processor
        I've played this game before. :^)

  52. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >AI stuff is banned from boorus
    >AI stuff is banned from Spotify
    >AI stuff is banned from Pixiv
    >and yet not a single AIgay has even considered making a competitor site focused on AI
    homosexuals, AIl of you.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      They did and it died, no one goes out their way to look at ai garbage

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >They did and it died
        What was the site's name?

  53. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    The most amazing thing about AI art isn't the art itself, but the contrasting reactions of people.

    On one hand you've people who are excited
    >at the promises of the new technology
    >from the ability to quickly visualize ideas and images in their minds which can be then shared with others
    >at the premise of producing content faster, easier, and with possibly greater consistency
    >for people being able to create personalized content, modify existing art for their own use and more

    And on the other you've people who
    >shun the arrival of the next technology
    >spit on the idea of allowing anyone and everyone to give form to ideas and/or modify existing art to their liking
    >argue against non-human created art because it touches the idea of human exceptionalism and/or they have personal stake in the matter because it threatens their income from commissions
    >base their opinions through emotions rather than facts or parrot thoughts of other people instead of forming their own opinions
    >are blinded by their own biases to not even consider the long-term benefits of AI art
    >defend artists when majority of artists that cry about AI art are either butthurt because it makes better art than they do or because they are commissions artists that draw porn, while actual, legitimate, professional artists are mostly unaffected and actually integrate AI models into their workflows

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why ignore the real problem: low effort jeets flooding the internet with garbage in the hopes of making a quick rupee?

      That's the problem. The AI is a miracle, it's the shitters using it to make garbage that is the problem.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >That's the problem. The AI is a miracle, it's the shitters using it to make garbage that is the problem.
        No, the problem is that people are so ignorant that most of them are incapable of realizing that simple truth.
        One group of anti-AI art haters hates it because of irrational (lack of "soul", human exceptionalism etc.) or personal reasons (fear of losing their incoming), while another group hates it because they had formed their opinion after seeing a few dozens of low quality images and now stubbornly think that AI art sucks and will always suck, so their attitude towards it is negative from the onset.
        The latter group is the problem. Little can be done with the former group, as they are far too biased to approach the subject objectively.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Lack of soul is a completely rational arguing point

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >arguing irrational concept is rational

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Is it any different from all the shitty 3D koikatsu posed work on pixiv? Every place ever gets flooded with low effort shit, and you have to look at popular works to find the good stuff. AI works only manage to infiltrate this area because it actually manages to look aesthetically pleasing most of the time.

  54. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    You know BOT is a bunch of hypocritical morons when they complain 24/7 about zoomers not being able to do stuff but then clap and praise technology that will lead future generations into being even more braindead and unskilled.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >to do stuff
      Worthless skills like drawing anime breasts when you would rather have a catmaid assistant tell you how to grow your own food in exactly the space and climate conditions you have that will exactly feed you for a whole year and how to store it? moron

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      how do you enforce this ? wouldn't it encourage dishonesty ?

      BOT isn't a hivemind and you're taking about meme bait threads

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        > BOT isn't a hivemind
        The cope

  55. 10 months ago
    Anonymous
  56. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Once again, pajeets ruin another industry in tech by flooding a ton of AI generated artwork that copies artwork from others AND takes profits off of the real artists who took hours & years to develop the art skill necessary to create brilliant pieces.

  57. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    fricking delicious, humanity wins yet again.
    seethe trannoids you will never bask in our glory, no matter how hard you kick and scream.

  58. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Booo. I want my future to be like WALL-E, where computers do everything, and I just lounge around in floating beds.

  59. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    tl;dr You'll consume AI art and you'll be happy.

    The most amusing fact is that all of the people that seethe at AI will inevitable consume and enjoy AI art in the future at some point, whenever they realize or not.

    I guarantee you that in a few years, all anons from this very thread will pretend that they never spoke against AI or AI art. Especially once it begins to be used in promotion materials, development, and creation of major entertainment (which it already is in some capacity), such as games, movies etc.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I can imagine a day where I can't even find non-ai pictures of animals anymore.

  60. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    it's okay bros. time to find another scheme.

    Crypto... AI art... what's next?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's called subscribestar.adult

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      flood Google Search with AI generated SEO bait articles

  61. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ah well, it was fun while it lasted

  62. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Where do AI artists make money now?

  63. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Based

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nah coomer commission artists are literal troony subhumans.
      It's gonna be funny when 99% of pixiv is just AI art that's indistinguishable from the subhuman created kind.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >ai troon calling anyone subhuman
        You pajeets are funny, now swim in shit.

  64. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Still uploading my AI work to pixiv. Still receiving money for my AI works on fanbox.

    No one can tell the difference, no one can stop me.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Till some autistic anti-ai gay goes on a reporting spree, you're delusional if you think people can't tell it's AI

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Nope, they can't. I market myself as someone anti-AI too, it's really funny.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          We can tell when it's done by an AI. Just saying.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Holy cope.

            You underestimate autists. even if 95% of your works are completely passable the 5% that's noticed as AI will frick you over. Also people that started posting on after AI started becoming a thing will get scrutinized with a microscope

            I guarantee hundreds not using AI art, just with bland or samey styles, will be banned for it before I am.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              The difference is they can simply prove they aren't using AI with PSD files and process videos

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Oh, they won't go through that much effort. They'll just start banning real artists rather than trolling through literally tens of thousands of hours of footage and analysis cumulatively. I can't wait.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Good, shitty artists without something new to contribute shouldn't be uploading their work either.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          You underestimate autists. even if 95% of your works are completely passable the 5% that's noticed as AI will frick you over. Also people that started posting on after AI started becoming a thing will get scrutinized with a microscope

  65. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is the ban effective now?
    I want to make sure all my supporters will get their dose of coom this month before i close all my fanbox activities

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >diligent frogposter who thinks about other anons needs
      Rare.

  66. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    well this just makes me wanna spam their site with ai shit even more,lets see how long these inkcels will report my stuff before giving up

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      You're gonna face the ban hammer sooner or later, pAIjeet

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        im not doing it for the money though,i can just make bots that will keep making new accounts to spam aislop

  67. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    good

    AI art is shit

  68. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I read the announcement on Pixiv this morning that said nothing about banning AI works, only that they are developing tools to detect AI works that are not tagged properly and also making it easier to filter out AI stuff.

    Fanbox is cracking down on it because of monetary reasons.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      They're putting upload limits on AI works too. Won't be long until AI is banned from Pixiv Requests since it's also a money service

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's reasonable to put limits on producers that don't sell content.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Based and true. The sooner we start weeding out both shitty AI pictures and shitty artists the better. We could be entering a golden age of quality. Either have a well done, unique and interesting piece, or don't upload to the platform.

  69. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    contemporary artists seething like classical artists did, so fricking funny

  70. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    now that that's out of the way, can you guys help me build this bridge to sri lanka?

  71. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >AI artists will just lie about their art
    >they're going to stop being lazy and uploading error ridden images to not get called out and demonetized
    >the bad ones will get banned while the better ones will grow and get better
    >less spam and more quality overall
    I see no problem with this.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I sincerely doubt this will happen. AIgays are inherently incompetent and allergic to effort. They only care about gritting for easy money and clout, which is why so many of their history connects to NFTs and crypto.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's only 1girl pinup pajeet "artists" and their whiteknight twitter homosexuals like (You) who are seething about AI. Competent artists are going to use AI in their workflow whether you like it or not.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Anyone who's in for the easy money is going to get filtered, at least. The more they keep their gens to themselves the better.

  72. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Dunno I just like making anime waifus with AI

  73. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Thread about to 404
    It's been fun, let's do this again sometime artchuds.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Stick to ai

  74. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    isn't fanbox for paid support? obviously ai content shouldn't be monetized

  75. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Pajeets and Koreans on suicide watch.

  76. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >AI gays ITT

  77. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Funny how all the aisisters are ESL bugmen.

  78. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    There's a lot of AIspam hate in this thread. Good job BOT, you're changing.

  79. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >All the artists have left is seethe and adhom
    lol

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >completely ignores the irrefutable arguments laid out to him
      The worst thing about proomters isn't even their slop pictures, it's that they're entirely driven by envy of real people

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don't see any irrefutable arguments, outside the ones artists are crying about/ignoring/avoiding engaging with

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          ESL, stop trying and learn to speak english

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          except all of your deluded arguments were completely debunked and refuted itt

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Talentless hacks reselling plastic bins from Walmart and claiming their bin is of the highest quality.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous
  80. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    all refuted

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >STILL can't refute it
      Keep trying

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >STILL can't write English proper
        Keep trying

  81. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ignoring all other posts. It's clear artists have won the thread (and in general), and AIshit loses. End of.

    • 10 months ago
      w7-890

      creatorgays get the rope end of the story you will never win furry israelite

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >It's clear artists have won the thread (and in general), and AIshit loses.
      i dont understand. you're contradicting yourself. ai artists win and lose?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Oh look, more bugmen

  82. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >I get last post that makes me right about AI being the best!
    Very sad.

  83. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    We did it artsisters, we won...
    We defeated BOT!

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      BOT is an anti ai board however. outside of the troony diffusion general

      • 10 months ago
        w7-890

        not a troll but dont you have zoophile diffusion threads generals on /trash/

  84. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    btw funny how you dropped your non point
    >artists learn from copying!!
    when asked whom the first artist copied from

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Only one of those posts is mine, and it's unrelated to what you're talking about. That point was never dropped though, it was just never address by (you)

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Only one of those posts is mine
        TOPKEK they're all clearly your esl ramblings.
        >That point was never dropped though, it was just never address by (you)
        yeah it was
        who did the first artist copy from? you can't answer this because you know the entire argument is flawed

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >TOPKEK they're all clearly your esl ramblings.
          Uh oh, it's schizo time
          Tell me, are the ESLs in the room with you right now?

          >who did the first artist copy from?
          What does that have to do with modern artists?

  85. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >ching chong bing bong
    More bugman screeching

  86. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    so how is progress on ai-generated 3d models and maps. Is this a thing yet?

  87. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    jeets btfo

  88. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    This will only lead to more people lying about whether it's AI-generated.

  89. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Your parents were from Cambridge, or king's, right?
    KEKEKEK

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