https://www.fanbox.cc/@official-en/posts/5934381
What are the implications of major platforms kneeling to luddites and banning tools that promote advancement of the medium? technologically speaking of course.
Pixiv Fanbox bans AI Artwork entirely
https://www.fanbox.cc/@official-en/posts/5934381
What are the implications of major platforms kneeling to luddites and banning tools that promote advancement of the medium? technologically speaking of course.
there argument is that is trained on arts of people and there is no law to protect them until that low you can post ai gen but make money from it
Good job on that post anon seriously
which one
No that’s no the argument, they say it’s
“we have seen a growing trend of using AI only to create and profit from content produced much faster than was traditionally possible. This deviates from the original intentions of our service as a place for creators to thrive, and we have come to the conclusion that we cannot ignore this situation.”
>Nooo you can’t produce more work than usual because you just cant
Let's just call it what it is. A bunch of whiny snowflakes seething because they no longer hold a lucrative monopoly over self-expression.
well put
There was never a monopoly over self-expression because there is just no way to monopolize self-expression
EVERYONE has self-expression, the name itself says where it comes from: the self
It's absolutely baffling you "people" think like this because some people are getting paid for their work. Jealousy is a very ugly emotion
so let the people fucking self express themself using ai
Sure, but do it on your own site
Draw scribbles on the wall of your padded cell and you'll get more respect.
>A bunch of whiny snowflakes seething because they no longer can make easy money by generating ton of porn
if self-expression is really your goal you can still post it somewhere for free, you twat
If that was the real reason they could just limit each user to a certain amount of uploads in a given time period. Force the prompteurs to pick and choose their best work instead of spamming.
The statement is explicit in saying the service was formulated for creators. AIgens are not creators, therefore they don't belong there.
Just like you can't post furry content on BOT because the board was formulated for a different kind of poster.
It doesn't mean you don't have a right to exist or post. Just not there.
AIgens are creators, if AI art is so bad, then why people are paying for it on fanbox
This is just anti ai gays seething because the are losing money against ai-chads
>if AI art is so bad, then why
It's not a value judgement. It's not about it being bad. Fanbox was made to promote artists, creators. If you are not one, then you don't belong there. Just like authored works don't belong in AI sites.
If you AI yields are good, this should be of no inconvenience to you: as you said many people are willing to pay for your results.
they are removing means to pay people who use ai
Again, the statement is clear: the site was intended, from the beginning, to promote the work of people who draw.
You can draw with AI so it's a stupid point.
so its limited to people using physical media or no? If digital is allowed its massive cope
So digital art is banned there as well?
>Just like you can't post furry content on BOT because the board was formulated for a different kind of poster..
>completely ignores the MSI red dragon
BASED fuck zoophiles lets behead them all too bad i dont have my 4080 laptop yet for vandalizing your shit art
>furry bait mascot
shady chinkshit company has the habbit of ignoring user critique just stuck to lenovo or ASUS #GamersRiseUP
how;s your commision rabbi?
sorry i didnt read the entire thread just leaving my mark here greetings from jarty and partychan
>there, argument is, that is, trained on arts of people; and there is no law to protect them until that. low. you can post ai gen but... make money from it?
Time to move to fantia, I guess
Some anon said on /sdg/ that Fantia just did the same.
Fantia doesn't allow AI shitters
The implications are that AI is a copyright nightmare. You either make everything open source with disclaimers you're in legal trouble for ever monetizing your inputs or using them for any sort of commercial gain or you end up with dead technology.
Who owns the data sets and scraped internet posts? Go far enough and it'll always be the "user"--so when's the user getting his rightful slice of that 500B parameter cake?
'jeets don't have this problem btw
Yeah Pixiv, the place that exists solely for people to post porn with copyrighted characters, must be very worried about breaching copyright law. I can tell you exactly who owns Jill Valentine, the character, and yet Pixiv still has hundreds of pictures of her getting anally raped. Riddle me this
There's also the corporate angle: AI stuff is just the excuse they've been waiting for to push harsher copyright restrictions. They can just claim to be championing the little guy.
Fanbox and Pixiv aren't identical. There's a lot of creators that only post original content on their fanboxes.
>There's a lot of creators that only post original content on their fanboxes
And there's a lot that don't. Pixiv doesn't care. They idea that they suddenly started caring copyright is just bullshit
> copyright is just bullshit
Keeps commies like you from stealing
no it doesn't just stops other capatalists from making it
Stealing copyrighted characters for your art is also stealing, retard. Pixiv doesn't care, neither do you. Stealing isn't the thing you care about
>Who owns the data sets and scraped internet posts?
doesn't matter. that's like asking who owns the colour blue. an ai model is, by every legal definition, transformative work, even if you insist it's still related to the training data at all.
Collages of already existing images without human intent are not transformative work.
ok, but how is that related to the topic of ai art?
bro think ai gens are collage
>Collages of already existing images without human intent are not transformative work.
What? They are not collages of existing human images. They are denoising algorithms tuned to a neuron simulation. The original image does not exist in the dataset. The data which it was trained upon is open sourced like LAOIN or common crawl. Anyone can view that data and make transformative works upon it, an algorithm doing it is no different.
>Collages of already existing images without human intent are not transformative work.
Retard AI image generation does work by making collages or photobashing. 80IQ morons don't even understand the tech they're complaining about.
>bro muh coomer anime content is peak human creativity!!!
Anime/Furry/Coomer drawings are already devoid of any creative work and value to humanity.
>Retard AI image generation does work by making collages or photobashing
It does. What do you think is happening when it duplicates a large detail in an image?
Do you understand that when it fucks up hands it's because it applies two different hand images from its bucket of hands at once and then blended them?
No of course you don't.
is there a software that records wacom pen movements like this https://archive.is/DEBU2
when do i get my kickbacks from all the memes and recipes and artful jokes? don't post it if you don't want it to be possibly absorbed by the culture machine into a genre hit. Not every cyberpunk image or book has to pay harrison ford.
I'm pretty sure plagiarism is already punishable by law. Harrison Ford's bosses paid Phillip K. Dick for his contributions and then mangled his works, etc.
LOL
Your schizophrenic compression/"diffusion" model will never "learn the same way a human does". Your statistical datasets hard-wired into a parody of non-determinism (still collapsing into deterministic parameters lazily webbed together) will never give you any sort of creative output, much less art. Your misanthropy only speaks volumes about what you think of yourself. Why are AIcels like this?
prove the existence of the human soul in court. otherwise fuck off luddoid
>Who owns the data sets and scraped internet posts?
I hate people who argue this nonsense.
AI/diffusion models do not hold a database of all art in the dataset and then just mash them all together. They are trained to "draw" the same way a human does, but instead of the AI having to draw thousands of pictures to gain the ability to replicate the image in their mind onto paper like a human would, they simply "observe" all of the images in the dataset.
If you or anyone dares to claim that AI steals and uses copyrighted content, then you then have to also argue for measures being taken that would prevent other humans from observing, copying and inspiring themselves by works of other people.
And don't let me start on the topic that if we were to start actually taking the topic of ownership and copyright seriously, I guarantee you that you'd quickly realize that most images and styles created by thousands of people are interchangeable and one could easily claim that another person stole their style, traced their works etc.
I fundamentally disagree that every human work is original that they can warrant that they are the sole owners of the creation and they didn't absorb and reuse any outside data, styles, or ideas from other works.
5-Star Post
anti-ai gays who continue posting after this post are trolls.
The AI uses web crawlers to get images online. It's the reason why sites like ArtStation started posted "No AI" signs, because pAIjeets were stealing their artwork.
That was already done many months ago, you retard. The data set was built. It's called LAION.
As if filtering out THE EXACT SAME FUCKING IMAGE being posted is a problem at all. Holy fucking retardation.
No, it doesn't. People who don't understand how the technology works thought it was doing that, and so they thought that spamming "No AI" signs on artstation would fuck up the people using "trending on artstation" as a prompt. They were wrong. It did nothing, because the model was already trained and not pulling any new information from the internet at the time it generated an image.
Pic-rel is the poojet who made NovelAI/StableDiffusion.
>NovelAI
He had nothing to do with NovelAI
Its the exact same as an artist taking "experience" and expressing those experiences. The problem is it is far more effective to prompt master than to learn technique through practice. Its every preceding art forms issue with anything that follows.
its annoying as fuck when some autist uploads every single thing they make, even duplicates and fuckups.
its not a nightmare at all. i make picture, i made picture. it doesnt matter if i used crayons, pencils, or a computer program. But of course, that isnt what the people in power want. They want credit for every step, they want to make their middle man money by renting you the crayons, and licensing the paper, and then owning the rights to everything on the cloud storage they force you to upload to so they create this nonsense arguement about copyright to trick retards into playing along with their elaborate game of middle-man-pretend.
and the funny thing is even this fake debate has been dead for decades. music producers have gotten away with clipping up other people's shit since the 1980s and profiting off it.
The whole thing is fake and gay, the fact is theres a multibillion dollar industry based off profitting from other peoples shit but the ai industry threatens to put all these useless cock suckers out of business by giving tools to aggreate hundreds of manhours of work into the hands of 1 autist.
You probably don't get the context, but there are A Fucking Shit Ton of AI art on Pixiv. And
1. Pixiv stores the full quality image, no compression.
2. Pixiv isn't that big
3. Pixiv viewers don't like the AI infestation
Makes sense for them to cut AI art.
Except every artist is going to be using AI as an assist one way or another. They're DIGITAL artists, they're not actually luddites fighting against new tech, when they started tracing 3D models nobody cared, next they'll be tracing AI. What is pixiv going to do, ban artists using AI as a tool?
There's a difference between maybe spending 100GB of storage for artists that most likely aren't even using AI extensively, and wasting 100TB on braindead SD button mashers
Tech "people" talking about artists and what artists are like is always hilarious. You are all soulless nerds completely detached from the artistic mindset. Your AI slop will never be art. You will never be an artist. You will never be liked, respected, or loved. Nobody will ever admire your code in the same way a piece of art is admired. Go back to your useless code monkey job.
what are you even on about, pixiv isn't the fucking louvre, it's a repository for porn
>muh real art
literally a repository for crayon drawings of sonic the hedgehog getting polymorphed into a urinal and pissed on. fucking artgays i swear to god
damn bro did a programmer fuck your mom or something
Let me try to communicate in a language you understand, robot.
System.out.println("have a nice day AI moron, nobody likes you.");
damn bro you sure got me. I've given up on programming. I'm going to memorywipe myself now, so I never have to think about pr*gramming again. I can finally be happy now. I've finally seen the light. thank you, wise anon.
This. The AItrannies will never understand. This retard
said
>Except every artist is going to be using AI as an assist one way or another
lol. This AI shit has disgusted me so much that I've almost completely turned my back on digital. 90% of my art is now traditional. They imagine that we operate under the same soulless programming as they do and scream "luddite" when we don't play along. Let them do as they please, we will keep drawing.
>artistic mindset
>soulless
This is what amateur anime artist wannabes are trying to protect lmao. Unreal, one of the least interesting pages from an actually creative work is apparently a good example of SOVL and trad art.
Yeah I'm not an anime artist, I only admire his linework. Continue to seethe, AIchud
I don't think you realize how cheap data and given people can *buy* images and Pixiv gets 10% cut PLUS service fee, they can easily host all images indefinitely.
>3. Pixiv viewers don't like the AI infestation
AI images on Pixiv get tons of bookmarks and likes.
this. the average person does like ai art.
it's just drawgays shitting and crying about how the average joe can make art just as good as theirs without buying their lessons.
>this. the [delusions]
ai trannies are mentally unwell
keep coping. you'd better start learning to code, because your days are numbered.
You mean learn to prompt code
AI art is goyslop. Who the fucks wants some cheaply copied version of something when the real real thing already exist? The AI also makes a ton of mistakes.
I got this much in a single pic, not even an album with multiple images.
Yeah, my AI arts get tenfold more likes than my digital paintings. The only time I got comments was with AI too.
post your digital painting
It's nothing exciting, I'm just a beginner.
No wonder you use ai
Now post your ai work
I don't have it on my phone. You can literally reverse image search to my Pixiv.
It wont be long before you can reach the level of some of those AI pics with your drawing. Keep it up and just rendermaxx while focusing on the head/face/hair
Thanks.
Yeah, I fear no AI. I draw out if passion, and AI existence doesn't discourage me in any way. It even comes in handy to get references and inspiration.
Just because I have a car I am not going to stop enjoying a nice walk in a park.
If you search for pretty much any tag on fanbox you'll essentially be met with 9 AI results and 1 actual non-AI result out of 10. Filtering doesn't seem to be a thing on fanbox so you're trudging along and it's just painful.
https://spotlight.fantia.jp/news/ai_policy-2
fantia bans ai art on the same day. seems like a coordinated effort to hamper the growth of the technology.
Everytime I start to bank on something they fucking ban it
Good. Look at sankaku and see what unrestricted AI rules allow. Endless seas of cookie cutter garbage that outnumber human-crafted art 50 to 1.
>Endless seas of cookie cutter garbage
So once most AI art becomes equal or better on average than human you'd have no problem with it?
Give it a few years then.
We're still in the era when most retards are playing around with low quality models because of lack of knowledge or HW limitations.
That's why you see a lot of cookie cutter garbage AI art, but you can't claim that you haven't notice a consistent increase in the quality which will only improve as the time goes on.
The point is, your issue comes down to 3rd worlders and non-technical people making shitty art by using obsolete models or lacking knowledge/experience to make better art.
>So once most AI art becomes equal or better on average than human you'd have no problem with it?
Most AI art already btfos most of human art
I'm well aware. But a lot of AI art out there is kind of old and a lot of it is still being produced on old models or people who are just trying things out, which is why I said "most AI art".
so why don't you post one
The point is that average AI output is superior to average human output. You know how bad the latter can be, disingenuous anon, and if you don't, just browse Deviantart for a few minutes.
So why don't you post one
NTA because it doesn't matter what you post because you're making a circular argument and you're going to claim it's shit no matter how good it actually is.
So why don't you post one
sure, here's a random piece I saw in an ai thread on BOT a few weeks ago that I liked
Bro went silent tq
yeah his prewritten response about
>masterpiece, trending on artstation, ((big boobs))
didn't fit so he gave up
(Me)
It's hilarious, the low level of self-awareness you people possess thinking you're actually fooling people into believing that you're arguing in good faith when anybody with an IQ higher than their shoesize can call you out.
because you'll just say 'nah i dont like that' and since art is subjective you'll be right. let's look at this objectively. ai is a tool for creating art. banning tools regresses the medium. this is a simple moral panic, like the one about photography in the 1840s. if history is any indication, the luddites will once again be on le wrong site of history.
saito naoki, and probably ixy too, was very pro ai art generation as a tool, art in general will get better
if you're butthurt about ai art just add "-ai-created" to your search term. feel free to thank me for revealing this hidden knowledge to you.
I don't like pregnancy hentai, but I just add "-pregnant" to my search terms instead of petitioning art hosting platforms to ban pregnancy art.
>I don't like pregnancy hentai
pleb
AI art needs its own booru, that's the simplest solution
there's one, but not many people use
https://aibooru.online/
dont care, I hided the AI-Generated tag
>charging for AI images
That people disgust me
ai trannies on suicide watch fucking LMAOOOO
What stops you from saying you drew it yourself?
for now? imprefections that are prevalent in ai art, linke messed up fingers or garbled text.
soon? nothing.
Just two more weeks, right? you aigays are fucking pathetic
>technology can't improve
get out of BOT
I didn't say that
>from feb
there are new methods you can get perfect fingers using sd but some retard still dont use it
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/105623179
>progress doesnt happen
The luddites are mentally ill and will err heavily on the side of false-positive.
It's obvious when it's a paint over, and if you spent enough time editing/compositing/adding then at some point it IS your work and the AI output was basically reference material
just trace an AI artwork yourself
then you even have a project file to point to
On the practical side of things:
They may just be flooded with art.
There were apparently cases of people using... illegal images... as a base and running an AI filter over them, then posting the results. Not sure how much truth there was to that though.
Artists are whining.
There was worse, there was giant packs of AI art and then real stuff mixed in with the understanding people were buying the real stuff
>not using this as an opportunity to set up a "Pixiv for AI" in a country that doesn't care about copyright
>a country that doesn't care about copyright
do they have oil?
>freedomTM intensifies
>Literally willing to start a pointless war that kills countless people because of anti-AI seethe
Bro that's beyond fucked up. Like you should seriously consider consulting a psychiatric professional without delay. You are a broken and frightening person.
he didn't say that
Humanity started wars over "Well we can't let the hypothetical Communism wave spread". AI and copyright are serious issues by comparison
>Other people murdered millions of countless people so why shouldn't I?
Get help. Now.
willing
I meant to imply that whatever governs the US would be literally willing to do so, ultimately. Though they would begin the war with their usual toolkit of violence disguising itself as gentle influence, like sanctions, and subtle threats by adding the country to certain state department lists.
For some reason copyright, particularly over cultural artifacts since China's gotten away with copying actual concrete things to manufacture, is a crucial component of greater US hegemony.
What's next for AI art now?
Bloatmaxxing
Not surprisingly since it matters of time before ai gays will bloat every art related sites with ai generated art killing interest of real drawgays, kinda I wonder if self learning ai will start to learn anatomy and colouring from itself and slowly reduce quality of it's work.
Fanbox is nip artist website, they probably threatened platform to leave, and they are core content creators unlike proooompters
Instead of banning AIshit fanbox better make mechanism to ensure artist to create ANY fucking content they promised once per month
The pixiv has fallen.
How can they enforce it?
>User: "I made this image." (is AI art)
>Pixiv: "That's an AI image."
>User: "No (Lie). Listen everyone! Pixiv is banning artists!"
As long as you inpaint the errors of AI (which pretty much every posted JP AI poster does) there is no way to tell.
That is a fictional scenario that happened in your head
There are plenty of cases where people can't tell apart AI art from human art.
no matter how many times you post it, your falseflag will never be valid evidence
To add to this, they are basically banning people from saying it's AI art, not that AI art is banned.
Is pic here AI or human made? It's convincing enough you can claim is either and Pixiv won't be able to tell.
hands cropped out of picture
yeah bro, nobody is capable of telling this is ai
absolutely, nuh-uh
so images with the hands cropped out should be banned on fanbox?
that's not what I said
>that's not what I said
Then what did you said?
You are literally claiming it's AI because the hands are out of the frame.
Plenty of artists do portraits or just do not do hands, if that's your metric you are just claiming their art is not human made.
>what did you said?
Of fucking course it's an ESL
You "people" are fucking scum
post hand
this image was ai generated btw
Not answering because you are retarded.
>"YOU CROPPED THE HANDS OUT OF FRAME!! TOTALLY AI"
yeah bro, nobody is capable of telling this is ai
absolutely, nuh-uh
>"So your metric to say it's AI is when hands are out of frame"
>"Th-that-that's not what i said ESL ESL ESL!! you are""people"" "
Reddit-tier whine.
Again: If you are going to focus on the hands to say it's AI art then what about the artists that don't draw hands?
I knew ai sissies were easy to troll but this is way too easy lmao
YWNBAW/RA
this image was ai generated btw you can tell because of le hands
why is it that artistically challenged aitrannies assume everyone's like them
whats the DEAL with ai generated hands? they're not ai generated, and they're not hands!
shading looks like ai
shadows look like ai
coloring looks like ai
eyelashes look like ai
bangs look like ai
ears look like ai
text looks like ai
head height looks like random poster on /ic/
abyssorangemix looks like ai
That’s AI
post your face when you're not an ai chud
AI "art" is soulless, it's that simple.
Keep arguing you gays, start throwing shit and calling eachother trannies already.
It's part of the Japanese psyche to be wary of foreign fads. They have their own unique culture of visual arts, and now they're watching as hordes of foreigners flood their beloved platforms with soulless trash.
generated pics are just garbage. anyone can generate infinite amount of such pics and there is no reasons to pollute websites with them. i don't want to see random garbage on platform where people share their art. simple as.
I love how every AI gallery on e-hentai gets instantly review bombed with 1 star ratings, even though they are objectively of higher quality in terms of detail, anatomy, and composition, than your average submission. Luddites are mentally ill, and they WILL LOSE. They too will eventually be cooming exclusively to AI-generated pixels. It's just a matter of time.
just let them kick and scream. it's all they've got left. this time next year there won't be a way to tell the difference.
are you dumb? betterness is not a metric in that case. pixiv is designed for hand crafted content and it's not a place for procgen content. it's that simple.
proompters need to create their own proomptbooru where they can share images along prompts. that would be actually useful.
damn you ai trannies really are throwing a shitfit over this win for real artists
Actually speaking of this, is there a way to filter out AI art on pixiv? I've seen some decent stuff actually but some tags are absolutely fucked because of it. Best example I can think of is the Megumin tag.
-AI_generated
Go to your site settings and turn off AI works
The worst part is that stuff still gets through. I've turned it off and AI tagged slop still comes up frequently. And of course some people straight up lie.
Profile settings has a checkbox to display/hide AI-generated content.
They cannot enforce it if all known machine errors are masked. How can they tell?
How are they going to enforce it though? Anyone can report someone baselessly claiming their art is AI generated.
Are you seriously assuming you can't tell AIslop at a glance?
This simple trick works with both AIcels and their gens:
>show hand
Hands get fixed by photoshop and inpainting.
If you can actually draw hands that don't look like garbage then you're already an artist.
we already had this discussion. ai art is improving every single day. you don't think in a year from now they'll have fixed that issue?
>ai art is improving every single day
lol
>you don't think in a year from now they'll have fixed that issue?
no lol
to be honest you're coping or not paying attention. while the slop generated by the average gay on novelai is still very distinguishable at a single glance, more and more people are getting very, very good with those tools. Considering the time frame for how long stable diffusion has been around, it's not hard to tell where this is going
you're delusional. the only way this technology doesn't become the primary medium for creating art, music, journalism, novels, and everything else is if Israel starts continuously detonating EMPs in the upper atmosphere for the rest of time
so you haven't been following ai assisted tools Gaugan was dogshit only a couple years ago now its pretty good
Both hands and letters are fixed issues to a degree. The biggest giveaway of AI art is their style and theme anyways. Complex stuff is hard to do, and the default proompter style is quite easy to detect from a mile.
>Are you seriously assuming you can't tell AIslop at a glance?
>This simple trick works with both AIcels and their gens:
>>show hand
So this is human made or AI?
Retouched AI drawn in the style of a popular artist by a mentally ill stalker AIcel. You can tell because the hands are trash and the shadowing is schizophrenic as hell.
The problem with these models is that they're already reaching their theoretical peak, especially for local efforts. I won't deny some AIslop can't be okay (you can still tell it's AI) but you're working with one shit-stained nugget of gold from a batch of thousands of turds.
>You can tell because the hands are trash and the shadowing is schizophrenic as hell.
>just look at any of the fucking ducks.
That's how diva draws, the hands are blobs and the ducks are yellow blobs.
Jesus Christ. Kys for being so retarded. Those look nothing alike.
>ai chud's hands and ducks get criticized
>"IT'S THE ORIGINAL ARTIST'S FAULT"
ai morons are something else lmao
And yet it was still incredibly easy to tell that what you posted was AI
A human fucking up is very different from the AI fucking up. If you don't yet understand that you're just a dumb proompter who doesn't actually pay attention to what they're genning and should learn to apply yourself.
Lmao. You couldn't post something else?
just look at any of the fucking ducks.
Not surprised that ai chuds can’t tell the difference between og art and ai shit
>"It's totally different than the artist NOOO I WON'T EXPLAIN WHY IT JUST IS!!"
This is like when artists claimed human art was better because it had "soul", when asked what "soul" was they just threw a tantrum.
What if i said
is NOT AI art?
How do you prove it is when
shows the hands, ducks and shading are drawn the same.
didn't read
cope seethe and rage all you want ai chud, you will never be an artist
sweet digits tho
Look and behold, not a single "artists" was able to answer.
All they do is dismiss the question while proclaiming they are right.
And this is why the average person is now using AI instead of commission an artist.
This isn't a valid gotcha moment, sorry pajeet
Right here retard:
So, artists cannot differentiate between a cartoon drawing and a photograph.
And use composition to claim something is not human made.
What about this?
Can't see the hands.
No background or composition.
>shows the hands, ducks and shading are drawn the same.
What the fuck are you talking about
Fucking AIjeets are so artblind like this esl
> What if i said
>Are you seriously assuming you can't tell AIslop at a glance?
>This simple trick works with both AIcels and their gens:
>>show hand
So this is human made or AI? # is NOT AI art?
You would still be caught lying, dumbfuck. Not surprised, since your kind are literal subhuman.
>hands, ducks and shading are drawn the same
Ykw, I don't think there's any reason to worry about AI. Not when retards like these are the ones using it.
You don't know anything about art or photography or composition or anything at all so you don't know what to look for, even when people explain it you don't know what they're saying.
You don't know anything about camera angles, perspective, lighting, shading, shadows, etc so when someone says "the image has a flat diffuse global illumination, like all AI, with shadows composited on like decals" you can't even begin to understand my technical observation let alone refute it.
Do you understand that you are out if your depth, that you lack the tools necessary to even begun to understand the problem let alone ever talk about it intelligently?
>You don't know anything about art or photography or composition or anything at all so you don't know what to look for, even when people explain it you don't know what they're saying.
Anon....it's a cartoon-style drawing.
A doodle.
Why are you bringing photography into this, trying to make it deeper than it is?
The hands and ducks just look like the artist draw them, since the hands was the main argument, there is NO WAY to prove
is NOT ai unless you google, at which point you admit you cannot really see it by eye.
>The hands and ducks just look like the artist draw them
No they don't, and if you actually think so you're bad at using AI on top of being a stupid ESL.
>No they don't
This is pretty much the best argument artists have: "lol no".
None was able to point out why the hand is supposedly totally different, just ranting about unrelated stuff like photography here
All that deflection really shows how they have no argument and are just scared about a superior technology.
You are so retarded it's unreal. There's nothing deep about basic fundamentals like color or shadow, you fucking ignorant moron.
You are so stupid you don't know how stupid you are, you are peak Dunning-Krueger.
>the image has a flat diffuse global illumination, like all AI, with shadows composited on like decals
This is wrong. Shadows in AI are like remembering a shadow in a scene in your brain. The AI programming nowhere near all the complexities your brain does nor will it have for at least a decade. They are not composited on like decals. It's just wrong.
It's not true they all have global illumination. It depends on the prompt. You don't know anything about photography or the neuroscience of it.
Well then if AI art doesn't have the same quality of
>camera angles, perspective, lighting, shading, shadows
then why the fuck does it have to be banned lol? GTFO 9/10 artists on pixiv don't know shit about the concepts you're talking about either.
People out here acting like anime fanart and cartoon porn are the peak of human creativity.
No retard, you don't need to know why something looks wrong to know it looks wrong. You need to know why it looks off if you want to make it look right.
>I can't see that it's shit so no one else can either!
They can, you're just a tasteless retard.
>They can, you're just a tasteless retard.
NTA, but... Anon, I don't know how to tell you this, but...
Most consumers for which most entertainment, art, commissions and more is created for are philistine who don't possess any sort of higher appreciation or understanding of art.
Even if you do, you're a minority of a minority.
Just look at what's considered widely popular and "taste" of common/average person.
You don't need high appreciation. I am talking about fundamental traits if the human visual cortex. When people say "soul vs soulless" what they are really saying is they don't like something but can't describe why but they know the traits are present in a whole class of art they call "soulless".
I can objectively break down and describe these traits, without judgement. But you cannot understand my analysis.
You see this is all about aesthetics. Aesthetics is an arbitrary, regionally defined, time period defined, set of traits.
I understand what you mean by "soul", but my standing on the topic is that there's no "soul".
There's nothing intangible about an art piece. The "soul" simply comes out from objectively observable features of the piece. Most people simply can't describe those features because they lack the ability to do so not because there's something magical about it.
This "soul" can be taught and replicated, if that wasn't the case people themselves wouldn't be able to create "soulful" art pieces, therefore the very idea that AI art lacks soul is completely non-sensical.
Human created art can also be flat and lack as much soul as the worst, lowest quality AI generated image does.
Therefore I disagree that any argument against AI generated art based on "It lacks soul!" is a valid argument.
If anything, the very fact that some people argue this is just another example how humans think. They expect PERFECTION from AI and anything less than utter perfection is looked upon with disdain and shunned.
I marvel at how far the AI generated art has gotten in just during the past few months, let alone during the past 1-3 years since it grew in popularity.
Humans are plain simpletons who cling to the idea of exceptionality and anything that threatens that exceptionality creates a knee-jerk reaction in an attempt to protect that self-perception of themselves, as otherwise they will grow depressed from the idea that their skill(set) might be easily replicated.
The point is the original, human created art that AI art is using for their datasets are already made by amateur morons who rarely take the things you're talking about into account.
Even the best of these artists just take existing IPs, make works from commission prompts, and (if they're actually good) work for soulless corporations that have a predetermined set of standards to abide by.
You are the tasteless retard if you think that 99% of pixiv art is actually creative and valuable to the human race in any.
delusional.
touch grass unironically
Duck bills, directional shadows screwy, shadows on left figure, eye specularity, identical pose on sitting figures, duck in the bottom left has AI melt, other signs of decal based rendering
lmfao le prooompter literally can't tell the low quality ai art.
those fucking ducks lol
>show hand
What is controlnet
Have you been living in a cage for the past 3 months ?
You're saying this as if all artists draw ideal hands, man.
If you put even a tiny bit of effort into the gen, hands are going to be just fine, especially if you have at least a little knowledge of anatomy/theory of art.
Never earned anything from neural art, never going to, but it's a very fun thing to do still.
I can't tell if this is ai generated or not
It is, although I used controlnet and fixed some errors afterwards. Pre-upscale version looked like this.
then you're dumb
don't smash your keyboard so hard artgay kek
seriously, you didn't notice the katana doesn't even have an edge
or the weird smudged details everywhere?
show your work
>show your work
Ok rate it.
100% AI generated
Overbaked
You are correct, and I had to touch it up manually afterwards too
Use BasedMix if you want great simple 2D art. BasedMix64 is a bit more realistic, BasedMix65 is more traditional.
>don't smash your keyboard so hard artgay kek
But you are already doing that with all your prooompting, chud
Looks like complete dog shit. A complete beginner at drawing is better than this.
Behold the "progress" of artists.
Yes, those people that hate AI art so much because of shading, proportions and hands are wrong.
These are the people that tell you you should devote years to drawing instead of use AI because "it's better".
How does your art look?
you do realise ai "art" literally couldn't exist without real artists?
Only AI art?
See picture.
what a retarded picture, because you can literally look at the bottle of wine and apple yourself
>he thinks the picture is about looking at wine and apples
that's exactly what the picture's about you fucking idiot.
art is human interpolation of reality, humans can directly experience reality.
ai is interpolating an interpolation, it has no experience of the source material (reality)
What is fanart then?
Do most artist that work on large project and established series who only recreate and interpolate existing art pieces not produce real art?
Is it "real art" only when it's created from scratch without any outside intervention, inspiration or influence despite that being impossible?
The base stable diffusion certainly has experience of the original thing, considering it was primarily trained on real images. And technically, nobody has experienced the original source material; everything is experienced through personal bias.
>trained on real images.
Not the same as experiencing reality
>Ignores the rest of the post
as expected
Because it's pseud bs, muh everything is subjective
There's a stanch difference between qualia adjacent stuff and acknowledging obvious differences in perception. Are you actually trying to arguing that that's not real? Because that just paints you as an idiot for everyone in the thread fyi.
learn how to english first bugman
Right back at you friend.
>no u
creativity of your average prooompter
Right back at you friend.
reddit response
Ignored
because he literally can't refute it.
kek
If someone creates fanart they're still using their real world experience to create said fanart.
that's why fanart doesn't have fucked up hands unless an ai did it.
By your logic that's still an interpolation same as an AI would do.
How is an artist that interpolates existing anime girl drawn by another artist who either captured reality or used their imagination and interpolated it onto a physical/digital medium any different from AI?
Both are performing interpolation.
And no, the fact that they have fucked up hands is technological issue, not philosophical/art-related one. It will get solved and it actually is more or less solved for the most part. There's a reason why drawing hands is one of the hardest things to get right in art, anon. If you use that as an argument, then many artists can get hands right.
this fucking cope is unreal kek
non argument
You are unironically retarded.
Like others pointed out, that author uses symbolism in his art.
The meaning is basically what
said.
If your smooth brain still hasn't gotten it: AI exists because of human artists? Human artists exist because of other artists. You don't learn on a vacuum, be AI or human.
>others
Lol
>AI exists because of human artists? Human artists exist because of other artists
Nope, human artists exist because of the inherent artistic expression contained within humanity.
Who did the first artist copy from?
It isn't.
what ai does is a cargo cult understanding. it doesn't understand the actual concepts behind the pixels it draws beyond the general shape of them, the fanartist does however, at least to a certain extent.
mimicry does not equal interpolation.
I don't think you understand what interpolation means
>mimicry does not equal interpolation.
Let's assume that's correct, as whenever it is true or not is immaterial right now.
Give me ONE (1) reason why should I or anyone correct if the entity, be their a human or an AI, understands art, possess consciousness or have any other property or quality to them if all we are considering the quality of the final product.
I and nearly every single person alive, outside of you it seems, cares about the inner workings of how the entity behind the art went about creating it.
You're basing your argument on the fact that AI and humans work differently. Why the hell do you expect two completely different entities to work the exact same way?
Does a spider understands that their webs are work of art for us? Do they understand art? Can they appreciate it?
No, they can't as far as we can tell. The knowledge, intent or anything you can argue of the entity behind the creation is irrelevant when one considers the final creation.
>NO NO NO AI IS ART I'M A REAL ARTIST STOP CALLING ME A FAKE ARTIST AHHHHHHHHHHH
>never said or implied anything like that
You lost the plot, anon.
>no counter-argument
Concession accepted.
The fact that AI can do
and it will only get better completely nullifies your argument about quality of the input or output.
Face it, you're hanging on that one thread that a year ago most models couldn't make even semi-good looking hands, which is already changing and will eventually get fixed whenever you want it or not.
You can't even come up with any other arguments outside of the hands, which is honestly quite pathetic.
>The fact that AI can do (garbage) and it will only get slightly less garbage completely nullifies your argument about quality of the input or output.
no it doesn't, you completely miss the point.
500B more parameters will never give ai a first hand understanding of base reality.
cope harder bugman
>thinks AI generated art will never again improved and the current tech is the best it will ever be
If you genuinely believe that, what are you even doing on BOT? You literally have no place here with this kind of simple outlook on technological progress.
Get out of here.
AI generated art will never again improved and the current tech is the best it will ever be
sounds like a complete strawman you just made up.
He never said that and you're still missing the underlying point dumbass.
even if more perams allow an ai to draw a hand more correctly, it will never allow the ai to know what it feels like to use a hand, or touch a hand, and so on.
it doesn't know anything about a hand except the general shape of one, or that it's attached to your 1girl (which it also doesn't know anything about except the general shape of a 1girl)
it will never have first hand experience with any of these concepts
>it will never allow the ai to know what it feels like to use a hand, or touch a hand, and so on.
You don't know how it feels either.
>You don't know how it feels [to have hands] either.
bro wat?
I already refuted that.
It doesn't fucking matter how AI does it, how it feels while creating an art piece or whenever it's conscious or not.
If the outputted image is up to your satisfaction and exactly what you wanted why do you even care?
This argument that the AI "doesn't understand" is completely baseless and makes no sense .
You're wrong, and you'll never understand why because you're too stupid.
>you're wrong because I feel its wrong and you just don't understand
Pathetic.
Amazing non-argument
He's unironically a bugman tbh. this is the way chinks ""think""
nice next GPU throw out when? hope they're cheap on the next aliexpress sale
based now i could make it appear as if some random furry artist drew pro-zoophile cub art simulate fake screenshot and pretend as if it were instantly deleted leaks for quick lulz on twitter now imagine the devious implications
Are you a woman by any chance?
Are you mentally handicapped by any chance?
>I already refuted that (links to hardly legible esl babble)
you did?
>It doesn't fucking matter how AI does it
yes it does, it has no idea what it's doing and is incapable of artistic expression i.e. what humans do to express their interpretation of reality
>something ai is incapable of doing
Oh, I definitely see how thousands of artists who draw smut or do professional work for studios "express" themselves.
Especially the commission artists.
expression of a human emotion called lust, yes.
>You don't know how the muscles in your hand work specifically.
I actually do, even if not necessarily on a conscious level.
>I actually do, even if not necessarily on a conscious level.
Ah great. If conscious understanding isn't required, only ability to utilize, then by that definition AI understands what it's doing to. Cool, thanks for conceding.
>If conscious understanding isn't required, only ability to utilize, then by that definition AI understands what it's doing to.
nope, because ai doesn't have any understanding, conscious or otherwise.
they are expressing the emotion of lust through their lustful artwork.
>What does that have to do with modern artists?
because your entire claim of "human artists only exist because they copy other artists" is complete bs without you saying who the first human artist copied
Yes, every single piece of modern art exists off the backs of other artists.
If you're talking about the first forms of visual depictions, they were interpretations of visual stimuli, just like an AI model trained on pictures of real life.
>Yes, every single piece of modern art exists off the backs of other artists.
>If you're talking about the first forms of visual depictions, they were interpretations of visual stimuli,
both statements flat out incorrect.
Why?
Waste of time explaining to a bugman
because the first claim is unsubstantiated and the second is incorrect.
the first art was interpretations of all the stimuli humans experienced
>because the first claim is unsubstantiated
If you're not an artist then why participate in the thread? /ic/ would laugh in your face
sounds like
>to
>commission
>address
lmao the chink samegayging is insane
>STILL can't adress the arguments
Keep trying
One of those posts is mine, and I'm english btw
They're all yours and you're engrish btw
If you consider Oxford engrish then I think you're internal map might be a bit off.
LMFAO YOU JUST GOOGLED THE DICTIONARY AND IT CAME UP WITH OXFORD
LOLOLOL
That's the city I liv in anon...
>liv
you live in woohan tiwan
>expression of a human emotion called lust, yes.
You really think that all artists that draw lewd commission experience lust while they draw?
I'm starting to think you're really insane.
What does knowing what it's doing have to do with doing it? You don't know how the muscles in your hand work specifically. Does that mean you're not using them to type?
>AI express itself
God damn, you're a retard.
The purpose of AI tasked with generating AI art isn't to express itself, but to create visuals based on desires of the user.
You're arguing against AI generated art on basis of something the technology is not meant to do.
If you want AI with self-expression go look into AGI, retard.
Tbqh stable diffusion stagnated quite a bit last few months.
I know and that's fair, but Stable Diffusion isn't end all be all solution for AI generated art and definitely not the end of the road.
Whenever or not we will see its replacement in a month or three years is irrelevant.
But the very idea of the AI art stagnating and never improving from now on anons in the thread have is just ludicrous.
>But the very idea of the AI art stagnating and never improving from now on anons in the thread have is just ludicrous.
Yeah it is, but I personally don't care about closed cloudshit that much, it's no fun.
hehe hope GPT-4 gets hacked by lapsus this year is gonna be really fun now how do we generate underage stories with it?
is there a guide on how to generate zoophile shit or turn rainbow flags into garden gnome flags on SD? asking for a friend
ESL maxing
what in the fuck are you trying to say here?
Retard moron
>be their a human or an AI, understands art, possess consciousness or have any other property or quality to them if all we are considering the quality of the final product.
because the quality of the input effects the output?
what a stupidass question
Coping AImoron
the point is artists copy other artists and they learn by copying. you could never copyright a style, and most successful artists are successful because of their ability to network and secure employement/funding not because they were masters at the craft. really popular artists usually do create their own unique style that catches people's attention but eventually that gets incorporated into the norm. the fact is, most people who can do art DONT do art, they have regular jobs instead so it was always a niche industry. it being niche is what let corporations take it over with their standardized gay styles and make everything so boring and samey. so when some anime style gets fed into an ai and now you can force images of whatever you want in that style, people view it as novel and amazing. Not because its novel and amazing but because the 1 dude doing that style just doesnt have the time or finanical motivation to draw your specific niche fetish or whatever.
obviously, if you are that one guy with an interesting style you'd rather monopolize what youve created, but everyone else just wants more mindless content to consume and dont care.
ai art is useful and fun tool. it can help you make more of your own art if its good, and it can be used as a crutch if you arent by copying someone else's style without the effort. Good artists will never be put out of business, simply because they will just keep innovating and perfecting their craft. A copy will, after all, always be a copy no matter how good the coppier gets at copying.
but the midwit gays who try to profit off doing extremely niche stuff are out of luck.
For one who speaks about art, soul and stuff, the nuances of art are lost on you.
The irony...
Stupid ass
Can they? Judging by what I've seen online I don't think it's true, but you probably know about art more given I've never even considered studying art. Still having fun with stable diffusion tho!
If that's dogshit then you clearly have unrealistic expectations and consider only <0.001% of art being created nowadays to be good.
I dare you to say that a majority of normal people or just weebs would say it's dogshit. We both know you'd be lying through your teeth.
Show us what you consider a good art.
he obviously posted that just to shit on aibro
There's already tools out there for detecting it.
It's about time they shut down the talentless hacks from here.
Pixiv is flooded with uninspired AI art. I'm not against AI art, far from it, it's just the majority of the art leverages 1% of the AI's capability
I AM A REAL ARTIST!
literally who
Lurk more before posting, newgay
dont think i will
This is entirely because AIgays can't just keep their shit to themselves. All these pixiv changes are because one Japanese proomter had to brag to an artist about how he trained a model on his art and then made money off of fanbox. This caused huge drama and forced pixiv to respond.
LINK ???
https://twitter.com/takigare3/status/1653276464836407296?s=20
this is one out of like 5? high profile case where the AIgay brags loudly and directly on the artist's tweet about him making a database from a certain artist's images and is making bank by doing AI work in his style
>LOL you can't copyright a style! get fucked artcucks!
and then today happened.
Yep. The artist noticed the AI shitter was stealing his artwork then selling it. The artist notified Pixiv & Fanbox then the AI shitter got eternally BTFO'd.
Today, I will remind them.
>It's okay when WE do it!
They are taught to copy manga since Day 1 so they can learn & develop better art skills. It has less to "stealing" & more to do with learning. Pic-rel. The greatest artists in history were good from years of copying.
>an /asg/ shill in the wild
I'm going to admit that single panel blew my mind, I'm going to have a good read at this image if it wasn't for that panel I would have brushed you off.
This leaves out the fact that the manga artists themselves are subject to very tight artistic restrictions and are beholden to the consumer bases that offer the most money.
They are taught to copy, not to steal. There's a difference. You NEED a master copy in order to learn from your mistakes. That's how you grow from permbeg tier to professional tier. It takes years & hours just to get good. Using AI instead learning basic fundamentals is flat out cheating. Mangakus are good at drawing manga because they have knowledge in basic fundamentals.
I don't know about you, but I intend to learn from the Ai by studying from it. The Ai seems to amass a great sense of appeal from various sources all bundled up together into a singular image that depicts what's been prompted. Never mind the prompt itself, it's the fact that somebody had compiled a list of sources that each posses an appeal and that's the value I see from the Ai.
>I'm gonna learn from an artbot that makes a ton of mistakes.
Yeah good luck with that. AI shitters are nothing more than talentless hacks. AI art is the goyslop of art, so I'm happy you pAIjeets are getting BTFO'd by the art communities.
I could care less if the next BOTlet makes a Shekel or two from Ai art, what I care about is the content being produced that was not there before the Ai allowed the next guy to produce his interpretations of a particular character. The floodgates have been opened and a sea of consciousness has been released with the adaptation of the Ai and I intend to swim in it. I am a drawgay, I care not about the art community and I could care less about the asshole that calls himself a #actualartist.
Nah man, you're talentless scum who flood the site with the same generic AI trash art as a million other chinks & pajeets there. I'd rather see your generic AI goyslop art in the dumpster.
It seems like you are upset that the next guy can create an illustration of his waifu without having to deal with you. This seems more of a (you) issue than the Ai itself, as somebody mention in this thread the Ai may be seen as nothing more than a search engine that appeases bottom of the barrel tier consumers. Well I welcome it wholeheartedly if it means the Ai allows anybody to make more content of
through a medium that encapsulates different styles and renditions.
>nothing more than a search engine that appeases bottom of the barrel tier consumers
It's more an offline simulated memory of the internet. But you can consider it an organic search engine. It doesn't take any humans jobs other than shuffling paper jobs which are an ulcer from the 80s because computing was turned consumer rather than fully functional.
It almost the same face, same poses, same characters with almost every single AI image. There are tons of mistakes on the images. Things are melting into each other. It can't do hands, feet, or backgrounds. It can't even do animation correctly. It sucks at perspective & can't even do shading or highlighting correctly. I can always tell it's AI-generated just by looking at the piece. I have seen shit on pixiv done by AI shitters that looks borderline traced, & it's always the same AI shitters who are posting it.
You're days as "artists" are numbered, AI grifters.
I deal in the business of presenting ideas, and bringing concepts to life with form and shape in a visual medium. That sounds an awful lot like a concept artist back in the days of photobashing, amirite?
>There are tons of mistakes on the images. Things are melting into each other. It can't do hands, feet, or backgrounds. It can't even do animation correctly.
And human artists do not make these mistakes?
See pic here, plenty of errors.
Composition.
Shading.
Anatomy.
All are a mess.
And this is the supposed "progress" of artists.
Art is one of the few mediums where PRACTICE DOES NOT MEAN IMPROVEMENT.
We already had this discussion above, that's how the artist draws ducks and hands.
Then someone started ranting about photographs and unrelated stuff when asked to point out the differences between hands of the artists and the supposed AI image mimicking the artist. That and non-answers like
In the end no one could explain why the hands are so different and "totally AI".
>that's how the artist draws ducks and hands.
No it isn't. look at their eyes and feet ffs
>Art is one of the few mediums where PRACTICE DOES NOT MEAN IMPROVEMENT.
You are dead wrong
Well yeah. There are restrictions, you can't just copy Akira Toriyama work then claim it as your own. It's different if its fanart. Even nips respect copyright.
Copying is fine in Japan as long you aren't stealing someone else's OC. Vid-related.
sour grapes lol. ywnbaa
>You will never be an artist
Thank fuck, I'll stick to AI generation rather than wasting my time drawing things thanks
> I'll stick to mcdonalds rather than wasting my time cooking things, thanks
> I'll stick to upper echelons of human ability with the click of a button rather than wasting thousands of hours doing it another way, thanks
Congrats, that can be described with anything you retarded ai consoomer
I'm not a pAIjeet, gay
The funny thing is that jcom is made by Anti-AI people. Theres a lot of evidence going on as the fanbox can't be searched and twitter deleted after he post the fanbox. The biggest evidence is the edited payout money.
https://twitter.com/ZYPpgcaJPJkZIzl/status/1653183479696490497
That shit caused so much shitstorm on JP from pro AI, neutral nips, and Anti AI community
anyone archived the seethe posts ? seems like i missed out on some good drama
No one. But if you want drama just check the replies on FANBOX Twitter post
https://twitter.com/pixivFANBOX/status/1656225243596455936
>Editing in an image editor
>instead of simply editing the HTML like your usual IT scam
That's how you know it was an artist and not a pajeet
It was mostly pissed off artists that had Loras based out them and the content was sold on Pixiv that caused the whole AI ban.
/ic/GOD here
just coming in here to watch the ai tanny meltdown
AI artwork destroys their website. It's self-interest on part of the marketplace + artists, and very justified self-interest at that
AHAHAHA fucking delicious aigay tears
/ic/ your oil painting of the fruitbowl is drying, go home.
monetizing ai should be banned
let's keep it all open and free
like it should be
Why is it only banned on FANBOX and not on entire Pixiv ?
Why would they do it? There's a filter for AI if you're not aware.
Because the filter only works on art and not artists which makes pixiv requests unusable
Then they could add a AI filter for Fanbox instead of banning it
They're being inconsistent
This is the reason they're banning it.
Getting tired of AI art tbh.
Exhentai is flooded with that shit and it looks so soulless and boring, just the same pinup pose of a randomly generated character.
Go fuck yourselves for ruining my favorite hentai site, ai leeches.
>can't filter for shit
>looks at anything other than manga and doujins
Mental illness is your personal problem.
>aipajeets are also hoe-boive /vt/simps
pathetic
idk man,most ai art looks pretty good to me
LMFAO THAT HAND
You can't reason with porn addicts.
be honest,most people just look at any art for a couple of secs before scrolling past it no matter how great it is,no one other than the artists care about minute details
I have far greater appreciation for even crappy fanart over AI slop. Even if I only look at the thumbnail for a half second, I'm glad someone put in the real effort to truly express their like of the character on a personal level. Even porn artists are exempt from this respect because they're a doing the character or franchise a disservice by bastardizing it and telling a lie. AI slop is disrespectful in a different way. It's mass produced trash made without real feeling. Lower than McDonalds. It's like selling Chinese plastic bins at Walmart and saying they were crafted with love and meticulous hard work. It's a crude mockery of art. AI generated images are the chud of art.
>Does a quick touch up
Nothing personnel, kid.
LMFAO THAT HAND
Literally took a couple of minutes, this is how your future will look like being a touchup artist for the glorious Ai.
Post your work Inkcel.
What about the hand that's merging in-between her legs?
LMAO, that hand so fucking bad. You ai chuds are talentless fucks
noice
The biggest eye-opener for me from AI art is just how dominant japanese anime/manga style has become.
You can train on literally any artstyle out there, yet this is 99.9% of what the models are training on.
I understand why nobody wants to generate ugly CALARTS shit, but there's a lot of western art styles from earlier that are great.
It's because Japanese art is meticulously tagged compared to Western art
It's only on boorus that it's tagged while other boorus for western focus are just as well tagged. Pixiv tagging is dogshit.
>while other boorus for western focus are just as well tagged
Not in my experience, you'd be lucky to get more than just the character and series on most uploads.
And why is that ? Because it's so popular that weebs create insanely large image galleries and spend their spare time tagging it.
What part of this don't you understand ?
If you were seeing thousands of And Warhol originals being posted by And Warhol on pixiv, Twitter, e621, r34, and BOT then you would be sick of Warhols regardless of their objective artistic merit.
It's just played out. And it's a problem of bad prompts; there are great images in the SD thread but it requires a lot of effort.
Everything about that image looks like a vomited mess.
>finally getting some good, if slightly inconsistent breast sized atelier hentai on pixiv
>it gets banned a week later
god damnit.
Just prompt it yourself you lazy fuck
>amd gpu
Good.
Pixiv is flooded by dog-shit AI "art" that all use the same set.
Chinese Patreon ebeggers will be on suicide watch.
>spam art sites with hundreds of thousands of melty deformed images
>scrap databases and artist galleries to train models without the artists' consent
>"hehehe this is progress is all about adapt or be left behind you luddite"
>"NOOOO WHAT DO YOU MEAN PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR AND IMPLEMENTING WAYS TO REGULATE US THIS IS LITERALLY ANOTHA SHOAH AIYEEEEEEEE"
You love to see it.
>>"NOOOO WHAT DO YOU MEAN PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR AND IMPLEMENTING WAYS TO REGULATE US THIS IS LITERALLY ANOTHA SHOAH AIYEEEEEEEE"
What ways are they implementing?
They are literally saying "Don't post AI art guys" BECAUSE they cannot properly filter it.
Here is a question for artists: How would you make a filter for AI art that doesn't require the creator to say "yes, this is AI"?
You require the other party to acknowledge it because you cannot filter it without catch human art too.
In the future with a sufficiently advanced language model with fine tuning capabilities you can take a public domain art set and produce any style by simply critiquing the AI and it will keep producing new art styles until you're happy with the result. Current AI art is overly reliant on the dataset but in the future AI will be more adaptive in real time especially since it's a requirement to do AI-generated animations as the AI needs to have a fundamental 3D understanding of its subjects.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
And nothing value lost. Artchads win again.
I can agree on the part where literal monkeys do non-stop raw gen spamming, they should be banned for shitting up almost every tag, its not even that hard to fix irregularities, hate those lazy monkeys
pic related a gift i made for a friend
Women have ovaries.
Artists can draw.
AI trannies should accelerate their desired AI singularity where they won't have to think about anything and be in constant joy by just finally going and fucking killing themselves.
This is dumb decision. People who pay money in this manner likely do not care if something is AI art or not. Ai friendly sites like this will outcompete in the long run, storage is cheap.
Then why don't AIgays get their own sites instead of invading preexisting spaces for artists
No
>they should be segregated to separate websites so that we can more effectively cut off their income by harassing their web host and payment processor
I've played this game before. :^)
>AI stuff is banned from boorus
>AI stuff is banned from Spotify
>AI stuff is banned from Pixiv
>and yet not a single AIgay has even considered making a competitor site focused on AI
gays, AIl of you.
They did and it died, no one goes out their way to look at ai garbage
>They did and it died
What was the site's name?
The most amazing thing about AI art isn't the art itself, but the contrasting reactions of people.
On one hand you've people who are excited
>at the promises of the new technology
>from the ability to quickly visualize ideas and images in their minds which can be then shared with others
>at the premise of producing content faster, easier, and with possibly greater consistency
>for people being able to create personalized content, modify existing art for their own use and more
And on the other you've people who
>shun the arrival of the next technology
>spit on the idea of allowing anyone and everyone to give form to ideas and/or modify existing art to their liking
>argue against non-human created art because it touches the idea of human exceptionalism and/or they have personal stake in the matter because it threatens their income from commissions
>base their opinions through emotions rather than facts or parrot thoughts of other people instead of forming their own opinions
>are blinded by their own biases to not even consider the long-term benefits of AI art
>defend artists when majority of artists that cry about AI art are either butthurt because it makes better art than they do or because they are commissions artists that draw porn, while actual, legitimate, professional artists are mostly unaffected and actually integrate AI models into their workflows
Why ignore the real problem: low effort jeets flooding the internet with garbage in the hopes of making a quick rupee?
That's the problem. The AI is a miracle, it's the shitters using it to make garbage that is the problem.
>That's the problem. The AI is a miracle, it's the shitters using it to make garbage that is the problem.
No, the problem is that people are so ignorant that most of them are incapable of realizing that simple truth.
One group of anti-AI art haters hates it because of irrational (lack of "soul", human exceptionalism etc.) or personal reasons (fear of losing their incoming), while another group hates it because they had formed their opinion after seeing a few dozens of low quality images and now stubbornly think that AI art sucks and will always suck, so their attitude towards it is negative from the onset.
The latter group is the problem. Little can be done with the former group, as they are far too biased to approach the subject objectively.
Lack of soul is a completely rational arguing point
>arguing irrational concept is rational
Is it any different from all the shitty 3D koikatsu posed work on pixiv? Every place ever gets flooded with low effort shit, and you have to look at popular works to find the good stuff. AI works only manage to infiltrate this area because it actually manages to look aesthetically pleasing most of the time.
You know BOT is a bunch of hypocritical retards when they complain 24/7 about zoomers not being able to do stuff but then clap and praise technology that will lead future generations into being even more braindead and unskilled.
>to do stuff
Worthless skills like drawing anime tits when you would rather have a catmaid assistant tell you how to grow your own food in exactly the space and climate conditions you have that will exactly feed you for a whole year and how to store it? Retard
how do you enforce this ? wouldn't it encourage dishonesty ?
BOT isn't a hivemind and you're taking about meme bait threads
> BOT isn't a hivemind
The cope
Once again, pajeets ruin another industry in tech by flooding a ton of AI generated artwork that copies artwork from others AND takes profits off of the real artists who took hours & years to develop the art skill necessary to create brilliant pieces.
fucking delicious, humanity wins yet again.
seethe trannoids you will never bask in our glory, no matter how hard you kick and scream.
Booo. I want my future to be like WALL-E, where computers do everything, and I just lounge around in floating beds.
tl;dr You'll consume AI art and you'll be happy.
The most amusing fact is that all of the people that seethe at AI will inevitable consume and enjoy AI art in the future at some point, whenever they realize or not.
I guarantee you that in a few years, all anons from this very thread will pretend that they never spoke against AI or AI art. Especially once it begins to be used in promotion materials, development, and creation of major entertainment (which it already is in some capacity), such as games, movies etc.
I can imagine a day where I can't even find non-ai pictures of animals anymore.
it's okay bros. time to find another scheme.
Crypto... AI art... what's next?
It's called subscribestar.adult
flood Google Search with AI generated SEO bait articles
Ah well, it was fun while it lasted
Where do AI artists make money now?
Based
Nah coomer commission artists are literal chud subhumans.
It's gonna be funny when 99% of pixiv is just AI art that's indistinguishable from the subhuman created kind.
>ai chud calling anyone subhuman
You pajeets are funny, now swim in shit.
Still uploading my AI work to pixiv. Still receiving money for my AI works on fanbox.
No one can tell the difference, no one can stop me.
Till some autistic anti-ai gay goes on a reporting spree, you're delusional if you think people can't tell it's AI
Nope, they can't. I market myself as someone anti-AI too, it's really funny.
We can tell when it's done by an AI. Just saying.
Holy cope.
I guarantee hundreds not using AI art, just with bland or samey styles, will be banned for it before I am.
The difference is they can simply prove they aren't using AI with PSD files and process videos
Oh, they won't go through that much effort. They'll just start banning real artists rather than trolling through literally tens of thousands of hours of footage and analysis cumulatively. I can't wait.
Good, shitty artists without something new to contribute shouldn't be uploading their work either.
You underestimate autists. even if 95% of your works are completely passable the 5% that's noticed as AI will fuck you over. Also people that started posting on after AI started becoming a thing will get scrutinized with a microscope
Is the ban effective now?
I want to make sure all my supporters will get their dose of coom this month before i close all my fanbox activities
>diligent frogposter who thinks about other anons needs
Rare.
well this just makes me wanna spam their site with ai shit even more,lets see how long these inkcels will report my stuff before giving up
You're gonna face the ban hammer sooner or later, pAIjeet
im not doing it for the money though,i can just make bots that will keep making new accounts to spam aislop
good
AI art is shit
I read the announcement on Pixiv this morning that said nothing about banning AI works, only that they are developing tools to detect AI works that are not tagged properly and also making it easier to filter out AI stuff.
Fanbox is cracking down on it because of monetary reasons.
They're putting upload limits on AI works too. Won't be long until AI is banned from Pixiv Requests since it's also a money service
It's reasonable to put limits on producers that don't sell content.
Based and true. The sooner we start weeding out both shitty AI pictures and shitty artists the better. We could be entering a golden age of quality. Either have a well done, unique and interesting piece, or don't upload to the platform.
contemporary artists seething like classical artists did, so fucking funny
now that that's out of the way, can you guys help me build this bridge to sri lanka?
>AI artists will just lie about their art
>they're going to stop being lazy and uploading error ridden images to not get called out and demonetized
>the bad ones will get banned while the better ones will grow and get better
>less spam and more quality overall
I see no problem with this.
I sincerely doubt this will happen. AIgays are inherently incompetent and allergic to effort. They only care about gritting for easy money and clout, which is why so many of their history connects to NFTs and crypto.
It's only 1girl pinup pajeet "artists" and their whiteknight twitter gays like (You) who are seething about AI. Competent artists are going to use AI in their workflow whether you like it or not.
Anyone who's in for the easy money is going to get filtered, at least. The more they keep their gens to themselves the better.
Dunno I just like making anime waifus with AI
>Thread about to 404
It's been fun, let's do this again sometime artchuds.
Stick to ai
isn't fanbox for paid support? obviously ai content shouldn't be monetized
Pajeets and Koreans on suicide watch.
>AI gays ITT
Funny how all the aisisters are ESL bugmen.
There's a lot of AIspam hate in this thread. Good job BOT, you're changing.
>All the artists have left is seethe and adhom
lol
>completely ignores the irrefutable arguments laid out to him
The worst thing about proomters isn't even their slop pictures, it's that they're entirely driven by envy of real people
I don't see any irrefutable arguments, outside the ones artists are crying about/ignoring/avoiding engaging with
ESL, stop trying and learn to speak english
except all of your deluded arguments were completely debunked and refuted itt
Talentless hacks reselling plastic bins from Walmart and claiming their bin is of the highest quality.
all refuted
>STILL can't refute it
Keep trying
>STILL can't write English proper
Keep trying
Ignoring all other posts. It's clear artists have won the thread (and in general), and AIshit loses. End of.
creatorgays get the rope end of the story you will never win furry garden gnome
>It's clear artists have won the thread (and in general), and AIshit loses.
i dont understand. you're contradicting yourself. ai artists win and lose?
Oh look, more bugmen
>I get last post that makes me right about AI being the best!
Very sad.
We did it artsisters, we won...
We defeated BOT!
BOT is an anti ai board however. outside of the chudy diffusion general
not a troll but dont you have zoophile diffusion threads generals on /trash/
btw funny how you dropped your non point
>artists learn from copying!!
when asked whom the first artist copied from
Only one of those posts is mine, and it's unrelated to what you're talking about. That point was never dropped though, it was just never address by (you)
>Only one of those posts is mine
TOPKEK they're all clearly your esl ramblings.
>That point was never dropped though, it was just never address by (you)
yeah it was
who did the first artist copy from? you can't answer this because you know the entire argument is flawed
>TOPKEK they're all clearly your esl ramblings.
Uh oh, it's schizo time
Tell me, are the ESLs in the room with you right now?
>who did the first artist copy from?
What does that have to do with modern artists?
>ching chong bing bong
More bugman screeching
so how is progress on ai-generated 3d models and maps. Is this a thing yet?
jeets btfo
This will only lead to more people lying about whether it's AI-generated.
Your parents were from Cambridge, or king's, right?
KEKEKEK