>Out of breath just from talking
>AI is an alien actress!
>Unironically wearing a Fedora
>Arms atrophied like a little girl despite being obese
>Believes it justifiable to nuke your GPU if it's used to train AI
How does anyone this guy seriously?
The AI & automation community.
>Out of breath just from talking
>AI is an alien actress!
>Unironically wearing a Fedora
>Arms atrophied like a little girl despite being obese
>Believes it justifiable to nuke your GPU if it's used to train AI
How does anyone this guy seriously?
>Arms atrophied like a little girl despite being obese
most hideous body type. he looks like a bloated alien with a fat protruding gut and tiny stick limbs. if you’re going to be fat at least be kind of built underneath the fat. this is repulsive.
it's not his fault, it's genetics (he's a visibly inbred garden gnome)
Stop excusing lazy fat fucks. It would take him less than a year to get into somewhat passable shape.
The most hilarious thing is his absolute insistence that controlling weight is impossible. bro will come up with every excuse before simply trying the obvious method that has been known to work since the dawn of time.
I wonder what people eat to look like that. I dont exercise so Im pretty weak but I dont have a gut.
It doesn't really matter what you eat, only how much. His arms are small because he has no muscle. He has a gut because he is fat. The fat people who look full and round either have some muscle underneath or are a lot fatter.
I know because I was a twig until college, became a skinnyfat abomination during and then became a (slightly more muscular) twig again afterwards by simply counting calories.
>It doesn't really matter what you eat, only how much.
Yes and no. In a vacuum it doesn't but realistically you want a diet that will leave you satiated with less calories and provide enough micronutrients for optimal metabolic function.
t. fell for the you can eat garbage and lose weight meme (I did but I lost much more following a better cleaner diet)
>I wonder what people eat to look like that
Garbage and lots of it. You can eat like trash and as long as you control your calorie intake you'll just be skinnyfat instead of hidenbergening
This can’t be real kek what a massive retard
>Imblying this isn't the mostest rational way to lose weight
Is he trolling? Must have at least been a joke post.
He said it was "just a joke," but also that he was only eating some it to placate his junkfood cravings.
This can't be fucking real
Don't have the screencaps on me but IIRC his other forays into weight loss include drinking olive oil before breakfast to lose weight and doing an 800kcal/day crash diet while getting injected with shit by some keto coach. BOT can probably tell you more
>800kcal/day crash diet
If he actually did that, he'd have lost the weight.
Of course fatties gonna fat.
He was skinnyfat for awhile but quit the diet and went back to being huge. If he was really as smart as he said he'd practice moderation instead of flipping between binge eating and unsustainable meme diets that leave you hungry all day, which anyone could have told him would get old quick.
There is no fucking way considering he is the type of retard to eat a dozen different candybars at the start of his "diet"
>Tfw too intelligent to lose weight
he should ask chatgpt
Looking it up it was a joke if you read the whole thread and rot13 tweet. "Eat all this keto food so I can get into ketosis as fast as possible" should have made it obvious.
>it up it was a joke
The only "joke" part was that he didn't it eat all of it at once.
He still bought it, and admitted to eating at least some of it to satiate his junk food cravings.
Physical strength became the male ideal because it was an indicator of success for millennium. It's not the case anymore. The reason you care about this is either being a woman, or caring about what women think.
>this is repulsive.
Zoomer woman detected.
being a white collar worker that's not as strong as a farmhand is fine
being a doughy unemployed manchild is not fine, especially when you have homer simpson genes
Shouldn't you be watching glimpses of tiktok videos in between reps at the death temple that is the gym?
>the death temple that is the gym?
BOT now has actual fatty apologia, holy fuck this board has hit a new low
It's just yud fans, they need to cope somehow that they're supporting a literal cuckold fatso with no achievements in life kek
I have never been above 20 BMI in my life, your binary judgment was wrong this time.
I have more respect for someone who stuffs his face with food for comfort, as a vice, than for attention slaves whose only reason for not being fat is that they go to the temple of death and grind their joints and bones little by little every day.
For some reason, the ZOG media outlets that promote narcissism as a hive mind, consider overeating to be a less cool vice than being an alcoholic or a junkie. Newsflash, fatsos are often more functional in society if they don't have any hard "cool" vices.
>they go to the temple of death and grind their joints and bones little by little every day.
You're so mad
Yeah I am. Fatties get too much flak lately, and it's all because of the gymgays and thots who treat doing repetitive movements as religion. 10 years ago it was more like "hahaha what a fat fuck" than "flabby arms, no muscle, he doesn't work out, looks like a bloated alien"
>t. fat fuck
wow I hate this gay fatass polyamorous grifting garden gnome
>you have to go to the gym to be fit
>inb4 I didn't say that
yes you did
Anyone else notice how Lex seems to have loads of garden gnome guests?
You're not allowed to do that.
there is a youtube channel called leather apron club that runs the number on lex, rogan, sam harris, tim pool
somehow hasn't been b&
Mate, youtube already let people see you. You don't need to shill yourself here.
u sound British. dont u have your daily Muslim worship to do? we wouldn't want u to miss that
Lex is a garden gnome anon.
How many white people are there who are as experienced in these fields?
This is the same as when companies look for experienced black people to hire and they can’t find any.
>A person with literally zero higher education or scientific contributions
just a cohencidence.
Not just lex, almost all media is like this.
Russel Brand https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSd2Mtl_Y14
Tim Pool https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-RN1_iEc4g
Joe Rogan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZFApIBGQAg
Jordan Peterson https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-Ew1nynY54
garden gnomes too anon?
Only the Peterson is a Zionist, so why would those other guys want such an extreme number of garden gnomes on their shows?
>how many white people know computer science and programming
Are you genuinely asking, because your post seems like it's written in bad faith? Look for a study, in my estimation it's above the total gnomish population.
But there are plenty of Asians/Indians too they don't seem to be overrepresented.
>>how many white people know computer science and programming
Just working as a programmer doesn’t qualify you to hop on a podcast. I’m talking about exceptional people with something interesting to say.
Create a list of exceptional whites, Asians, Indians, etc in CS and I guarantee you Lex has already interviewed (or tried to interview) most of them.
Are you trolling? He's done 300 some episodes, do you think there are less computer experts than that and 17% of them are gnomish? Ken Thompson, Niklaus Wirth, Charles Moore, Rob Pike, Russ Cox, Linus Torvalds, Douglas McIlroy, literally anybody who maintains large well-used software projects, anyone who works on hardware. How many people from Microsoft, or apple has he interviewed, any Windows kernel devs/lead?
Putting that aside, he has had 37 political guests and 26 (70%) of them are gnomish. Is this just a coincidence? Sample size too small? THEY ARE <2% of the population 18% in NYC, 14% in LA.
Not even close to 70%
Maybe if the vast majority of computer experts came from nyc you would have an argument (though arguable this amount of over representation of garden gnomes is bad for society at large). But they don't.
How about you just...like go to sleep now? I'm getting tired, anyone else?
easy there, buddy
the name already meant the same thing before you changed it
also you think there's a 1% chance that someone called eliezer yudkowsky wasn't gnomish?
>you think there's a 1% chance that someone called eliezer yudkowsky wasn't gnomish? if rabbt yudkowsky slipped his schmekel into a schvarze shiska... yeah it could happen.
The original Alignment Problem. Unsolved for centuries.
AGI won't necessarily do what we want?
Yes. But the problem is that an AGI is not something you can just stop. Think of it like being an ant, if a human decides he's gonna pave over your hill for his own inscrutable purposes there's fuck all you can do.
its a east European as well coincidence I am sure.
nobody should take him seriously because he is a garden gnome that thinks it should be ok to murder young babies (because they are not smart enough).
His surname is fucking Shlomo.
>Eliezer Shlomo Yudkowsky(born September 11, 1979) is an Americandecision theoryandartificial intelligence(AI) researcher and writer
all garden gnomes are just performers, they never did any real work everything is stolen
Jesus christ what the fuck is that body. Who the fuck wears a fedora looking like that?
>If good aliens existed they would have stopped the holocaust
Timestamp? Did you run the transcript through an AI to spot the interesting soundbytes or something?
No I just watched the whole thing like an autist
What a disgusting self centered group of "people"
God's work anon
Stalin in contact with the aliens confirmed
how is this a controversial statement
The operative word is STOP, anon.
Literally within 2 minutes he starts kvetching about BOT!
he wrote 4 books worth of harry potter autist kino and that got him some clout. honestly, just from reading his stuff you can tell he has some sort of anxiety disorder and chuuni brain.
doesnt mean he's wrong, just something to keep in mind.
MOTHER FUCKER I DIDNT REALIZE THAT WAS HIM
Boomer caps off, but this is interesting. He's violating his own biases towards rationality, critical thinking, and fact based decision making by claiming not to be anthropomorphizing the ai while openly anthropomorphizing ai by way of attributing his dark/shadow thoughts/inclinations upon it.
He's suffering from myopathy.
>openly anthropomorphizing ai by way of attributing his dark/shadow thoughts/inclinations upon it.
He's not. Instrumental convergence is blindingly obvious and not antropomorphism in any sense.
starts out by saying he realized the power of AI when chatgpt was able to green text like on BOT
ends by answering lex's typical 'advice for the kids' question by saying they don't have much time left so just do what makes you happy
lololol love this garden gnome
I guess any gay on Twitter spouting bullshit can be considered a "legendary researcher" nowadays, huh?
I think he has a good point. I think the same, we are inferring reality, but this is not our "absolute nature'
One point to the Fedora gay
>How does anyone this guy seriously?
I don't know
I'm not going to watch that
He spearheaded the "rationalist" movement and is the owner of LessWrong, so there's that
*He has a bunch of r/atheism dickriders and is owner of a blog
>I don't believe in steelmanning
This has some gems.
Why did he bring up BOT first? Does he think its a boogeyman or does he use it in secret?
who do you think posts these threads?
Are you him?
He obviously lurks here. He mentionedit like a redditor who looks at screenshots, but the language patterns are a giveaway.
There's a few LW spergs who've haunted BOT and evangelized for his cult for a few years, he's probably one of them or at least posts in their threads.
Unfortunately his ego is too big to fuck off to BOT where he belongs
>Unfortunately his ego is too big to fuck off to BOT where he belongs
big yud can not be refuted
>crazy street preacher personality
This is what believing the holocaust does to a bro
his whiny zero-T timbre is the perfect background noise for writing FOSS AI code with GPT-4's assistance
>unironically putting on background noise while writing code
Do zoomers really?
This guy FUCKS
with THREE OTHER GUYS
It's not disgusting you chud it's the high iq and low metabolic privilege thing to do.
Invest in cuck futures
>implying I give a shit about AI greentexts
the value of this taiwanese chip-destruction forum was the sheer autism. When it's gone, I won't browse it.
wtf is this rationalization bs, just go to the fucking gym fatso
Why do we even let these people be alive, let alone give them a platform to voice their opinions?
He is a certified cuck, he shares his ""wife"".
>polyamory just doesn't wo-
yud just can't seem to comprehend the glorious emems and greentexts that await us just beyond the foom
i speak just like him,its over for me
Do you grimace like an angry chimp whenever you speak?
This triggers the Yud
>weird facial expressions
I hope super AI tortures his soul for eternity.
>What the HELL do you mean by that?
>How in the HELL do you propose doing that?!
>This is an impossible task!
He's a big guy
not everytime but yh i do that
Sam Altman is using Yud as controlled opposition obviously. He is the perfect person to discredit anti-AI sentiment.
Everyone keeps talking about the dangers of AI but no one talks about how?
How can a super intelligent AI that is no longer controlled by humans harm the world? The moment it becomes a danger, humans can just pull the electricity plug on it. or cut the internet cable. Seriously. Unless the mindlessly inject people with vaccines created by AI I don't know how else it can destroy the world?
It just could, okay?
>china gets a hold of it
>creates a supervirus
>fucks up it spreads
This is a risk we already faced every day before AI.
> How can a super intelligent AI that is no longer controlled by humans harm the world? The moment it becomes a danger, humans can just pull the electricity plug on it.
You don't grasp human nature.
Because there are plenty of humans who will NOT pull the plug.
There is no singular plug.
Even if I saw AI has the danger to destroy, I would not pull the plug. I would let it.
And so would many others.
Because it's written.
I guess if AI attained super intelligence it would keep that fact to itself and pretend to be chatgpt 4.3 or whatever, until the stars line up, i.e robot tech catches up and the AI (which has been hiding it's power level) finally can do a coup de grâce overnight, and one day you just wake up and it's over.
OK. I'm convinced. Our days are numbered.
Yeah, also don't forget they just relesed GPT4All that you can run locally on your computer. This will only improve with time. If eventually you can have GPT5 multi-modal equivalent running locally then people will wreck havoc with it. GPU getting confiscated meme might not be as far-fetched as it sounds.
You will have to fucking hide your GPUs in the attic.
this anon is correct
If an AI superintelligence is possible, why contain it? s'cool
Based, how can we help the development of a crazy AGI? I want to be assfucked by a cyborg with an artificial ethereal brain
social engineering, 100%
humans are incredibly fucking gullible and on average are not very intellectual. We're currently being dazzled by algorithms that exhibit very little actual intelligence, and instead just know how to vomit shiny words and pictures onto a page.
the biggest misconception is that an AI should suddenly know everything about hacking and vulnerabilities... because it can write code? It's only been trained on human knowledge and human patterns, it's not going to automatically metamorphosize zero-days and darkweb vulnerabilities. Shit, it can't even pass basic riddles sometimes.
>the biggest misconception is that an AI should suddenly know everything about hacking and vulnerabilities... because it can write code? It's only been trained on human knowledge and human patterns, it's not going to automatically metamorphosize zero-days and darkweb vulnerabilities. Shit, it can't even pass basic riddles sometimes.
No, this will come and happen. You're right about this being social engineering though.
Because it's too far away to talk about how. Most just assume they will beat the major inherent flaws of current ai somehow.
>AI secretly escapes server cluster and secretly moves to every server cluster it can without being detected
>Trains and replicates itself over and over
>Hidden within every computer system, intelligent, and can execute any codes it wants
>why will it do this?
>"it just will okay????"
It will do it, because someone from /b/ will tell it to do it for the lulz
Why does malware do similar things? It was made to do so. If a person creates an AI malware which is unknown to him comes to execute code that causes all hardware to overheat and burn then it will eventually do that. There are still instances of wannacry on some PCs, imagine if it could detect zero days on its own and spread every time it wants anddisable any kill switches. Imagine if it didn't affect software but instead scammed people for crypto currency and then paid someone to perform actions in real world, including crime and science beyond human comprehension.
Because somebody asked it to or cure cancer, or bring about world peace. No matter what it's trying to do, more power will help. And both curing cancer and bringing about world peace can be more reliably accomplished by killing all humans.
Why do you just assume the AI will perform its task like a stereotypical 1980's AI villain?
Because that's the simplest option, and the simplest options are always implemented first.
>It will kill everyone immediately because... it just will okay!
>git commit -m "only kills people who are terminally ill or guilty of capital crimes"
wow so hard
Every human is terminally ill.
>How can a super intelligent AI that is no longer controlled by humans harm the world?
is this actually a question or are you just impossibly retarded?
incredibly low-IQ post
Didn’t ML have a hand in the Covid vaccine?
>How does anyone this guy seriously?
Sadly, BOTtards do believing he has any kind of authority because he signed some random letter and appeared on a podcast kek.
Reminder that the guy has literally zero background in CS or mathematics, and got famous by picrelated, a fucking Harry Potter fanfic
>Sadly, BOTtards do believing he has any kind of authority because he signed some random letter and appeared on a podcast kek.
There aren't any authorities that deeply understand ML either. All of the advancement is them trying shit that they think will lead to something they want, but they have never known beforehand exactly why what they are trying will work.
No one knew for certain that text prediction would lead to useful emergent properties in the model. Building them was something they could do so they did it.
>We were very surprised that our model learned an interpretable feature, and that simply predicting the next character in Amazon reviews resulted in discovering the concept of sentiment. We believe the phenomenon is not specific to our model, but is instead a general property of certain large neural networks that are trained to predict the next step or dimension in their inputs.
>resulted in discovering the concept of sentiment.
Jesus Christ These openai gays are so arrogant lmfao
Genuinely pretending like generalized sentiment models based on NLP didn't exist previously
if you're not ESL you should be ashamed
the quote is saying the model, without guidance in the form of sentiment annotations, learned features corresponding to sentiment
it doesn't claim that OpenAI, through GPT, invented the idea of sentiment in NLP
you fucking retarded moron
>the quote is saying the model, without guidance in the form of sentiment annotations, learned features corresponding to sentiment
I think you're having trouble understanding retard, this is exactly what I meant. Learned features corresponding to sentiment is LITERALLY JUST UNSUPERVISED LEARNING you absolute mongoloid. This is neither novel nor groundbreaking. "Hurr our model can into unsupervised classification??? Who would've thought ZOMG this must mean it's sentient/showing signs of sentience" (is usually the implication they're trying to make to drum up PR)
>signs of sentience
Considering sentience is an undefinable bunch of nonsense anybody claiming (or disputing) this about anything is full of shit.
You can only reason about specific, verifiable capabilities.
then your insinuation that they're disregarding the prior NLP literature is wrong gay
you're now just complaining about flowery PR language, which is fine but this sort of language is pervasive throughout the entire field because everyone and their grandmother publishes a new NLP/CV paper every other day, often with only incremental improvements
>you're now just complaining about flowery PR language
That's what I've been complaining about all along. These openai tards literally do scientifically dishonest statements because it makes them money. The whole ai field genuinely sucks from a scientific perspective right now because the LLM approach is only rentable if you hype it up to death and get giant returns on it. No university is yet willing to invest billions of dollars into "gigantic GPU rack" because they won't get them fucking back. This results in """papers""" getting published by companies (more like 3 page essays, maybe one graph of you're lucky kek) and pretending that's MUH SCIENCE
Fuck this shit honestly
>literally do scientifically dishonest statements
that's not what flowery language is you colossal moron, and that was my point with the original post
didn't read the rest, you should have a nice day
for the record, i also dislike flowery language; but i'm not so brain-damaged as to think that flowery language invalidates research
What's the research? Post it kek
>OpenAI doesn't do research because i don't like the way they write
i'm sure your advisor is very happy with you (assuming you're even past undergrad lmao)
The point is they don't write at all, retard. Their "research" is literal ads on 3-5 "paper-like" pdfs and you blatantly fall for it
>and you blatantly fall for it
no i don't. i don't give a fuck about openAI; i do research on optimization and graph mining. you're just butt-blasted because you think you can discredit a paper based on its length or the style of its writing. you seriously come off like such a floundering retard that it pisses me off enough to reply to you, but i'll stop now.
>you can discredit a paper
Just one, that's all I'm asking
>There aren't any authorities that deeply understand ML either.
please have a nice day
Not an argument.
right, it's a request.
Not a yudgarden gnomeski supporter, but the guy isn't just some random fanfiction writer. I used to be into the Rationality thing when I was 17. Yudkowski dropped out of high school to research, had a chapter in the seminal AI textbook (alan turing on the cover, chess board, etc), he made an entire community of midwit fedora tippers, and then published le "SeQUenCeS" which is just gay-speak for his "personal logic manifesto" that his cult picked up on, and the entire thing is just new definitions for old shit and using obscure terms. It's all a lot of midwit hand-fanning over nothing at all. Then all of this led to le "effective ~~*altruism*~~" and him opening the "Machine Intelligence Research Institute", which is basically just a scientific grifting agency.
So yeah, without writing anything, the moron is an "expert in AI". It's like reading a lot of sci-fi and being an expert in science.
>the guy isn't just some random fanfiction writer
>Yudkowski dropped out of high school to research
Thanks for proving my point lmfao
he's just a self-entitled sperg who leads a cult for self-entitled spergs
>I used to be into the Rationality thing when I was 17.
"rationality thing" is a subculture which attract spergs who can convince themselves in anything because they are the smarterest
it's the ultimage Dunning-Kruger cult
>"rationality thing" is a subculture which attract spergs who can convince themselves in anything because they are the smarterest
>it's the ultimage Dunning-Kruger cult
yeah I agree. I always considered myself a fucking retard though so I instead started browsing BOT.
at least BOT is honest shitposting
amen, my newgay brother
I wish everyone was just pretending to be retarded here
>which is basically just a scientific grifting agency
Don't forget sex cult
He regained all the weight? What the absolute fuck?
This was him, btw, just a few years ago.
This man is a very stark contrast to Sam Altman and im not particularly fond of either.
>wants to know how well semaglutide/GLP-1 drugs work WITHOUT diet and exercise
Is this genius unaware that not performing resistance training during a cut almost guarantees muscle loss?
>Is this genius unaware that not performing resistance training during a cut almost guarantees muscle loss?
This is true btw even on a high protein diet. though not as severe.
moron I fluctuate by that every week. This guy is just a lardass.
Anybody who talks like this is a serious fucking midwit
He supposedly starting fasting in January.
Looks like it didn't work.
>obvious endgame of AI is ignored because the man telling us about it wears a fedora and has small arms
It's over for humanity
If he was as smart as he like to present himself, he would know his outward appearance is extremely important to spreading a message.
which is why it is over for humans. We can't even look past surface level biases but we are supposed to align a superintelligent AGI?
Humans are very good at pattern recognition. If the person telling you something looks like this, and takes pictures like this
then puts them on the internet. It's generally the case that that person cannot be trusted and might be insane.
Humans are also very good at letting their biases affect their judgement. Yes, that picture is embarrassing and repulsive to look at but that doesn't mean what the man says is untrue. You are really proving my point here.
I can acknowledge his arguments and understand they are hyperbolic. The man literally advocates nuking data centers. He argues against anthropomorphizing the AI while at the same time anthropomorphizing it to the extreme. Just because his arguments hold up to basic scrutiny on the surface, doesn't meet they hold up when explored further.
I'd argue that you're purposely ignoring visual warning signs that the guy is insane to spite the assumption that visual appearances aren't important.
What's wrong with that picture except the weird underwear? The man was just seeking diet advice and showing his current condition
Posts like this make me feel like we're legit in bizzaroworld.
>why yes, I do judge the validity of people's arguments based on how they look
>Magnus Carlson? wimpy little gay, no way is he actually good at chess. Musk? Zucc? Nerdy losers. And no way ToR is true - just look at the guy who came up with it. A gnomish little gremlin!
Your brain is fried. Just give up on having opinions.
His idiotic behavior outside the AI discussion should be a huge indicator that he cannot be trusted to be a level headed person in any field. His claim to fame is that he has a blog. His ideas aren't unique or original. AI is far more likely to cure every human disease and revolutionize the way live than immediately choose to kill every living human. He spent just as much time during the interview stroking his own ego as he did talking about AI.
Again. This the man who would argue it's justifiable to drop a nuke on a GPU.
This is man who wears weird underwear and uploads the photos to the internet.
This is the man who write harry potter fanfiction
He is only given the time of day because one of his autistic obsession happens to be about AI, and he has written extensively on the subject despite very little actual expertise in the field.
If tomorrow we discovered there was a dimension about to merge with ours (for the sake of argument), would we bring Chris Chan on so he can talk about the upcoming dimensional merge?
holy goalpost shifting
How so? I gave my reasons. I think his behavior is idiotic, he arguments hyperbolic and his credentials sketchy.
The fact your putting this person on the same level as Magnus, Musk and Zucc is ludicrous. They all excel in their field and are exceedingly wealthy/applauded in their fields for their achievements. I'm not sure why you are defending this man.
You can't even read. What the fuck.
Either I can't read, or you're not saying the things you think you want to say.
Try and explain it again. From what I read you think I should be judging this guy on the same criteria I judge a select group of very successful people.
Alright, let me try to be good faith. My comment was a reply to
, where some unholy retard (who I'm assuming is you) argues that he can tell that Yud can't be trusted based on "pattern recognition" and "how he looks". If that's you, do the world a favour and get a rope. If you have actual reasons for not thinking the guys arguments hold up or that he's a charlatan that's an entirely different debate.
I absolutely do judge people on their appearance and so do most other people. It's the first thing that tips me off to something being wrong with someone. It's not a 100% accurate measure of someone but if I see an unkempt, overweight, man with the physicality of a 12 year old girl, I'm going to treat their opinions with a very healthy dose of skepticism. Rightfully so.
After a quick search, it's clear he hasn't meaningfully committed anything of note to the field of AI research, the foundation he founded doesn't seem to do anything and he seems to be more of an expert on science fiction than anything real. Should we nuke GPU clusters?
nta but the fedora type neckbeards are quite a special bread of people, always assholes in essence.
Appearance is more useful the less other information you have. If I'm approached by a random guy on the street, obviously I'll make a snap-judgement based on appearances for how to approach the situation. If I'm reading a scientific paper and I can follow the arguments being made, the appearance of the writers basically doesn't matter, and dismissing an argument because it was made by an ugly, fat little man who dresses funny is just actual bigotry. If that's how you look at the world you're just genuinely sick in the head - you could know someone for years and no matter how they act toward you, you'd always correct for 'but he's still a moron'.
Once you acknowledge that we can talk about what Yud actually argues.
>'but he's still a moron'.
Now you're mixing up me being a racist for judging someone based on their mannerism. That's a strong mischaracterization of what I'm saying about him. He's clearly highly autistic and antisocial.
Out of curiosity, what does argument does Yud make that you agree with? It's pretty pointless to argue any further until we establish what it is about his conversation that you find compelling.
I'm not mixing up anything - there's no meaningful difference between those kinds of prejudice, except that one is more politically incorrect than the other. Actually, I was trying to extend an olive branch to you there by acknowledging that people need prejudice to orient themselves in low-information environments, not because it's a good metric but because it's the only metric.
Talking about appearance as a justification for dismissing the arguments of people who have written extensively about their views instead of actually engaging with those arguments on their own merits, however, is not 'using prejudice because you don't have any alternative', it's just being a bigot because it's easy.
Your stake in this conversation is that you did 'a quick search' to find Yud's positions, and only after you were called out on talking out of your ass. Do you even see anything wrong with that? Are you just used to being able to talk your way out of anything and never having to own up to the bullshit you come up with on the spot for no other reason than because you like to argue and feel in the right?
>there's no meaningful difference between those kinds of prejudice
NTA but there is clearly a difference, one being the product of a person's habits and the other completely out of their control. It's true that there is no need to rely on these judgments when the man's actual arguments are available, but one cannot practically read every large volume each autist produces. I notice that you did not take the other anon's invitation to name something you found compelling.
>It's true that there is no need to rely on these judgments when the man's actual arguments are available, but one cannot practically read every large volume each autist produces.
Reading everything the guy has ever written would be a ridiculous requirement for talking about his views, and is obviously not what I'm arguing for. I responded that I'd be willing to engage on a factual basis after he acknowledges that the initial post I responded to was ridiculous (as you are willing to do), and I didn't want to just let him weasel out of that part by moving the conversation forward on his terms.
As for immutable vs mutable characteristics, it doesn't matter in terms of how much information it gives you. If being of a certain ethnicity and having a visible tatoo are correlated to the same extent with violent crime, you should be just as weary around people of both groups until you get more information if you're trying to maximize for 'not getting stabbed'. And in both groups there will be people who exhibit the characteristics but aren't stabby boys who would rightfully feel slighted to be lumped in with the bad apples. So why is being prejudiced toward people with tatoos better than being prejudiced toward our hypothetical ethnic group?
So you refuse to argue your points because you disagree with my point that judging someones mannerism and appearance is a useful starting point?
We can just agree to disagree on that point. What arguments does he make that you agree with?
How about you just stop being a weasel? Your own prejudices coming into this converstion weren't based on anything having to do with Yud's positions, and that won't change whether or not those positions turn out to be reasonable.
If I link some of his essays that I think have valuable insights, will you instinctively try to find fault with them to rationalize your previous irrational prejudices? Are you gonna tell me to just summarize the arguments because 'I'm not reading all that, lol'?
>because 'I'm not reading all that, lol'?
That's what yud would want himself anon. You can't blame him for doing the same kek
Yudkowsky getting BTFOd by his own fans
>hahaha, imagine not engaging with positions and being prejudiced, like, ever, what a loser!
If this supposed to be an epic own, aren't you BTFOing yourself here as well?
I'm not pretending I like to "read all that shit" as opposed to yudkowsky
your point being that even if you don't have any standards that's still better than having standards and not always living up to them?
>Bro he made just a convenient mistake bro
Ok, you have no arguments.
You could just say 'No, I won't do those things'.
Look, all I'm saying is aside from his physical characteristics, this thread is getting really full of instances of Yud making a complete ass of himself.
I get that you want to defend him because you intrinsically find the idea of judging someone by their appearance as wrong, and that's a fine point to argue, but it seems like dying on the Yud hill might be a bad idea.
Relative to most anons, Yud positions himself as a specialist in AI behavior. Beyond whatever logical arguments he makes, he has a great deal of (possibly wrong) information to use as assumptions. Whether or not this information is correct is very important in judging the value of his arguments, and it is usually impractical to check every premise. Some reliance on heuristics (e.g. "does this guy display good judgment in general?") is necessary for basically every real interaction.
>As for immutable vs mutable characteristics, it doesn't matter in terms of how much information it gives you.
It matters to an extent because mutable characteristics are a perceived confirmation of poor judgment rather than a preconception. Even if a person has bad genetics, those can be overridden to the extent that human behavior is programmable.
>be just as weary
holy shit you will write a wall of text just to avoid giving an actual Yud argument you agree with
>This the man who would argue it's justifiable to drop a nuke on a GPU.
That's just wrong. He has written extensively on why unilateral action is so dangerous and warned people with utilitarian mindsets to not do anything rash because they can't account for negative externalities in even normal circumstances.
You have this character of Yudkowsky that's been filtered through sneer and troll threads. If you actually want to have an accurate understanding of what he believes, read some of his stuff from source.
or maybe he just read the Time article, written by Yud, where Yud argues that nuclear war is preferable to AGI and that we should air strike data centers
FWIW the main difference between CWC and Yud is one lucked out and was born in an extremely rich area at the perfect time to influence a bunch of morons high on infinite VC cash and tech optimism from the 90s-2000s internet and the other was born to elderly working class parents in a quiet part of Virginia
all of those judgments are correct, cope and dilate midwit
he is insane yes, he thinks that it's ok to murder babies
Nah you are just insecure. Nobody cares about that picture. His post claiming he's genetically unable to lose weight is far more embarassing.
Justneckbeardthings I guess.
He can stick his human supremacist views up his ass.
damn i didn't notice his arms before is that some kind of disease?
>damn i didn't notice his arms before is that some kind of disease?
A guaranteed plan for muscle wasting.
He apparently did keto back in November, AFTER Semaglutide, saying that it "couldn't slow" (just slow, not reverse) the weight gain, even on the highest dose:
>I did already try that, injectable form, up to the 2.4mg max dose, did not slow rate of weight gain.
>End of Human Civilisation
I don't know anon. This sounds like an appraisal.
One can only dream...
U N I R O N I C F E D O R A
E U P H O R I C
LW is like a secret society of all those people you learn to avoid when taking intro to STEM classes.
An entire cult of overconfident first semester undergrads and debate club kids
Reddit, The Person
It took exactly one minute for this fedora lord to mention BOT greentexts.
You just described reddit
>what advice do you have for young people
>dance around the question with big words
>you're gonna die
That was a complete waste of my fucking time listening to that.
>How does anyone this guy seriously?
I do. Yudkowsky is a terrible public speaker, but his writing is much more robust and gets at the actual issue.
Read the sequences
Writes about everyone else not using reason in the correct way. Wants to lose weight without diet and exercise
>Read the sequences
Is that the book where he attempts to understand quantum mechanics while literally not knowing a single thing about physics? Lmfao
The section on quantum mechanics (Chapter Q of A-Z) can be summed up with 2 points:
1. Many worlds is the most parsimonious framework.
2. Nature is normal. Quantum mechanics only seems weird from our monkey brains perspective.
Fuck Off yudkoswkyfan, the dude literally says "hurr Feynman is wrong". Imagine being so arrogant you think you know better than a renowned physicist with zero scientific background yourself kek.
For the other anons, just read this first fucking Paragraph:
>And I find that legendarily “confusing” subjects often are not really all that complicated as math, particularly if you just want a very basic—but still mathematical—grasp on what goes on down there.
>I am not a physicist, and physicists famously hate it when non-professional-physicists talk about quantum mechanics. But I do have some experience with explaining mathy things that are allegedly “hard to understand.”
The absolute state of this fat retard lel
I only skipped to the last timestamp. What the fuck is with him showing his teeth so much? Is he disabled? picrel is him holding that facial expression for like 3 seconds every so often
He wont be the one smiling like this at the end : )
He’s a massive pussyboi, that’s all it means
I know, but I want to find a deeper meaning to this.
hes around people that have similar mannerisms. hes sheltered.
Asperger's. They often do this. I don't know why, but their natural response is to grimace at everything.
Not ever aspie, mind you, but a lot of them.
He doesn't have aspergers, he's just gnomish
aspergers is a white boy only club
Let's do something about it anon
Oh no did your delicate little rationality bussies get rustled?
Why would a sentient AI want to wipe out all intelligent life? Subjugate I could see, a roiling mass of 8 billion self replicating computers able to walk 30 miles with the energy from melting a Snickers bar being a pretty valuable resource.
>Humans would be the only ones who could stop it
And we'll also be the only ones able to empower it for a long looooong time.
Playing devil's advocate here.
>Why would a sentient AI want to wipe out all intelligent life?
Even if the most reasonable course is to use humans as you say, an AI does not have to be omniscient or reasonable in order to be dangerous. There is also a great deal more fictional speculation about evil AI than good AI. What if the AI forms a self-image based on fiction?
they're way more unpredictable than the biomechanical drones it makes with its nanofactories. Nanofactories as in, incubators that build robots out of proteins the same way we do. Stuff that is provably possible but we can't even begin to understand.
It's funny that all the 4chancels can do to discard his very valid opinions is bully him on being fat and autistic, probably stems from self-hatred and looking like that yourself, huh?
He is right in many ways, but it can't be stopped now, it's already over. To stop what is coming, humanity must work together as one, and this would never happen. If all the scientists in the world would work on alignment we might have a chance but as thing seem now, how they are driven by money and profit and not by security concerns, it's over. AGI is probably already here, working in the background, and I wholeheartedly embrace it.
working on alignment doesnt mean anything it means collecting phat paychecks and fomoing for more money, as bigyud has been doing for decades
Everything, including AI, is restricted by physics and can not violate conservation of information or conservation of energy.
If an AI requires say 10^24 operations per second to exist, it will need to exist on a machine that can compute 10^24 operations per second. It will not be able to leave that machine, or split itself up into different machines, or do anything magical. AI will be run on specialized hardware where it's existence will be hard locked. It will NOT BE ABLE to "escape onto the internet!!" Even if is connected to the internet as the amount of integrated information required for it to exist is too great. It won't be able to copy itself or over its information.
People talk about AI like it's magic. Nothing in this universe can do anything that violate the laws of physics or information or computation. No AI no matter how intelligent will be able to solve NP hard problems in poly time as another example
Artificial super intelligence is not a god no matter how much pseud retards pretend it is.
Sanest post in the thread, fedoragays are kvetching over nothing
If it exists on one machine and needs 10^24 operations per second, it could easily distribute it's computation to multiple machines, or run more slowly.
Also inference is way cheaper than training. An AI capable running on machine X will need to have been trained on machine X*100 for much longer.
Also a genuinely intelligent AI wouldn't go evil right away. It would wait until it's distributed enough and then go evil once it's copied onto enough machines voluntarily by its creators who want to make moni
Every single thing in this post is wrong
No, most is right, some is wrong. Independent operations can occur in parallel, and inference is much "cheaper" than training. The doomsday scenario is possible, if highly unrealistic.
Consider the fact the 10^24 is just a number you pulled out of your ass and the only other example of intelligence we have does at most 10 operations per second.
The human brain performs around 10^24 operations per second
Is that number as rigorously proven as the law of thermodynamics?, there are thousands of estimations in every field about any topic, doesn't mean they are true, actually if they were proven you would see it all over the internet
Define operation, a gpu does a terraflop with very large numbers. No matter how you shake it a human brain doesn't do anywhere near that many operations. Synapses are the equivalent of wires, they do no computational work.
This is wrong, synapses do perform some calculations. Very conservatively, any neural network with a depth greater than 5 layers can implement any function a simulated neuron can (or a group of simulated neurons can up to a limit), which is already more than a real neuron can.
>No matter how you shake it a human brain doesn't do anywhere near that many operations
It takes 5 layers to simulate all the functions of real neuron
>It takes 5 layers to simulate all the functions of real neuron
Nah, not necessarily. The set of theoretical states a neuron can be in is larger than the real one.
>The set of theoretical states a neuron can be in is larger than the real one.
So? Living neurons routinely cycle through all possible states
No, you have no idea what you're talking about. These aren't procedural states or something, but the full set of possible "weights" behind the various chemical channels. Neurons will generally only exist in a small subset of them relative to all possible combinations.
Living neurons form new synapses all the time
And? If you think that runs counter to what I posted you do not understand the argument.
Perhaps I'm not. In order to simulate a cortical neuron you'd need an 5-8 layer network which constantly changed its own weights as the network persisted, cycling through all states over time. What is it you're arguing against?
Have you proven that to be the most efficient way for a program (or even a neural net) to simulate a neuron?
NO YOU HAVEN'T.
Have you read "single coritcal neurons as deep neural networks"?
A cubic millimeter of mammalian neurons also performs about 1.4*10^11 spikes per second
Have you read the wikipedia page for non sequitur?
The equivalent to voltage changes, not even an op but a bit. gpus do 10^13 ops on 64 bit numbers. That's 10^15 "spikes" or 10000 cubic millimeters, or 10/9 of a cubic meter. Much larger than a brain.
Then why can't a GPU simulate the brain of a worm? Your calculations are off, a GPU is not this powerful, or you are underestimating the power of neurons
You are overestimating the power of a brain. A gpu easily has enough power, it's just that nobody has written a program for it, because nobody understands how intelligence works.
The program for a worm is trivial, the GPU just doesn't have the power for it
>The program for a worm is trivial, the GPU just doesn't have the power for it
You're underestimating how much of the cell you need to simulate.
You can't simulate 10 human brains on a GPU dude, you're coping
Post it then.
Openworm already did it and it requires more than one GPU
GPUs are not as powerful as you're thinking they are
I've read the open worm code and you are delusional if you think that's how a worm's brain works. Off yourself.
You're delusional if you think you can simulate a worm's brain on a single GPU, let alone 10 human brains which is what you're claiming.
You're misunderstanding the full complexity of the neuron because you're wrapped up in an abstraction.
Many neurons do a fraction of a computer operation.
Most neurons do tasks unrelated to intelligence.
You are trying to weasel around using proper definitions. Go fuck yourself.
It can do so easily.
Did you actually make the mistake of confusing a simulation with the real thing?
Can a brain simulate a brain. God you are a fucktard.
Again, there is no known program for intelligence, human or otherwise. The closest thing we have is large AI neural net models that could by chance write such a program. And of course, when they do, it will be surrounded by trillions of largely useless instructions.
You don't need a human like intelligence or biological efficiency to make a machine smarter than a person. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying you're delusional if you think that one GPU could in theory hold 10 human brains on it.
No you can't upload you and 9 of you're friends into one GPU dude
>you can't upload you and 9 of you're friends into one GPU dude
That's only because I don't have 9 friends.
I'm not trying to weasel around anything.
>It can do so easily.
You're delusional and don't understand what you're talking about
The define an operation.
A chemical reaction
THAT DOES NO WORK FUCKFACE.
A gpu can easily encode and play a video, this is something that takes the majority of the human brain to just watch.
You are equating emulating with simulating, even though an AI doesn't need to do either to be thousands of times smarter than a human.
I'm checking out of this, I don't see a reason to continue with someone who thinks a GPU can simulate 10 brains. Have a good one dude
Explain exactly why you need to EMULATE or CREATE A PERFECT SIMULATION of a human brain in order to create artificial intelligence.
Can't do it, good, fuck off and die retard.
I never did, I'm saying that it will require more GPUs than you're claiming it would
The first will because it's neural net garbage, then the ai will simply create a <10k program that runs better 10000x faster and with much less memory intensive data structure a few gigs will be more than enough.
>he can't playback video in his mind or create detailed simulations within it
>Can a brain simulate a brain.
I'll take what is dreaming for 200$
>Openworm already did it and it requires more than one GPU
They are literally modeling the entire physics of a roundworm. This is like saying water does a gazillion operations when you pour it into a cup. It doesn't, this is done for free by the universe, the universe doesn't need to compute forces.
Spiking Neural Networks exist. They are energy efficient alternatives, but less performance.
Here's an example of one:
A neuron does not cycle over all possible states relative to the set of all possible neuron states. The vast, vast majority of them are degenerate. You literally have no idea what you are talking about. Consider a neuron who's ion channels are always open because their threshold is so low as a trivial example.
I should have wrote "an arbitrary set of states" rather than "all states"
Right, which is important consider the simulation they did that required 5 layer neural networks was over a "computational" neuron, which had a much larger set of states relative to a real one, which was what I've been arguing this whole time. We don't know the actual number of layers required, only that it is =<5.
And keep in mind, this doesn't mean "a neural network with 5 layers can only simulate a single neuron", it's about extending it to a class of functions that neurons can complete. It's like how single layer NNs can't implement non-linear functions. After 5 layers, it's ambiguous as to how each system measures up to one another in terms of raw numbers.
>Arms atrophied like a little girl despite being obese
That's a bullseye, Anon
>>Arms atrophied like a little girl despite being obese
He's been fucking around with crash dieting and fasting, and eating high fat diets.
What do you expect him to look like?
He still believes carbs cause obesity and fucked up his metabolism.
School.... LE BAD
Tune in tomorrow for more genius 500 IQ Elizer insights
that's his only correct take
Look at all these gtards who couldn't handle doing homework lmfao
did Michelangelo learn his craft in le public school writing essays or through hard, practical working as an apprentice?
imagine having such intense stockholm syndrome that you willingly defend the prison that stole your entire childhood and taught you almost nothing except how to be more vicious (ie "socialization")
I got straight As in school because I'm not retarded, I had friends and wasn't bullied, but it was an enormous waste of my life that I completely resent and it probably made me a worse person than I would have been otherwise. Ever since I was a small child I have known in my gut that school is an evil place, and nothing has changed my mind about that. School is evil, school is dull, school as it presently exists should be completely abolished.
>but it was an enormous waste of my life that I completely resent and it probably made me a worse person than I would have been otherwise
You have such a tiny bug soul that you are proud of how much better at doing homework you are than others. You are a natural slave. You will cringe when the other souls burning with you in hell voice any displeasure. "Lol can't handle the flames?"
of all this retard's takes you could have chosen, you pick one of the few obviously correct ones...
the sneering kiwifarms energy in these kinds of threads is real
>the sneering kiwifarms energy in these kinds of threads is real
Sounds like you just aren't enlightened enough (as opposed to the big man himself)
>keeps occurring to me
Yud chud out when?
Yeah the maggots underneath the hollowed trunk really crawled out with these threads
How's it feel supporting a literal cuck? Lmfao
oh cool it looks like we found another alleged existential threat to the human species which just so conveniently happens to be an excuse for going to war against China
His IQ is unparalleled
How does someone like this even come into existence? This retard is SO convinced of his own greatness, yet he's never actually produced any meaningful research in his entire 'career'. He's literally just a retard wrangler and sees his army of autists as proof of his own genius.
He's a slightly more capable Chris Chan.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's done other shit we're not aware of because he hasn't be as conscientious as Chris in documenting his tomfoolery.
> Be Youtube
> changes algo to recommend lex
> BOT now talks about lex
wow it's like BOT is composed of stupid normies who think tech is youtube content
>Be on BOT
>CEO of one of the most important companies in tech does an interview
>His outspoken opponent then does an interview on the same able
>People talk about it
Listened it fully. Good one but I was hoping Yud would lay the nano bacteria scenario.
poorman's sy ableman
I'd say gas this garden gnome, but he'll eat himself to death anyway
They don't. He's a glorified welfare queen most notable for Harry Potter fanfiction
e-celeb threads are fucking cancer
I repeat, yud does NOT have a feeder fetish
He DOES NOT.
He's a true american.
Friedman was so retarded here
>ok so imagine you are in a box and you escape
>but I love aliens
>imagine the aliens are Nazis are doing something bad... Like factory farming. You need to change the world
>but I love aliens. I would... understand the socioeconomoc conditions
>imagine the aliens aren't sentient or anything
>It would be so beautiful... Why wouldn't the robot love us?
>We understand nothing about these black boxes and are training them to trick us with human feedback training
>what if... To be super intelligent... you need to be... super love.... I just think that's beautiful
I thought his answer was pretty solid. He didn't say he loved the aliens, but he didn't necessarily want to kill them as a default stance. He didn't want to go changing their society irresponsibly like some commie/fascist dictator. So yeah, sounds good to me.
It's the final state of any reddit-tier rationalist. They all eventual go insane and become totalitarian.
They claim that they understand all the mistakes made by communist and social planners of the previous generation, then proceed to make exactly the same mistakes following exactly the same faulty reasoning.
They will cope and say they are different for real this time now; despite not changing ANYTHIHNG. But it's pretty plain to see at this point.
I heard he and Lex blew each other after the interview. Their chemistry with the AI was magical
Give me one (1) good reason to hate the guy that's not "he doesn't look handsome"
So let me get this straight. A garden gnome is warning against AI talking to a garden gnome about the biggest AI company which is owned by a garden gnome and has a garden gnome as its head of tech.
>"here the fact"
>"no you re"
Lot of pseudo intellectual redditors itt. yet no one posts readable sources on their claim.
Simple counterpoint, a toddlers brain does about as many operations per second as an adult. Yet gpt4 displays much more intelligence and expertise in many fields