Fucking lmao, we've let this clown entrepeneur larping as a technologist get rich off of these scams while he got people killed for the sake of being first
i guarantee you were shitting and pissing your pants over elon for some shit like wanting to end private vehicle ownership with EVs but now you simp for him because he owns twitter and is now LE BASED!!!!!!!!
And remember how he told you that if you bought the top end autopilot service you'll have full self driving, 7 years after and that self driving feature a fuckton people paid for is still missing and with no release in sight.
Moreover, he's still selling that feature on the top end pack with some other, faulty and buggy, self driving features that still don't drive the car for you and most probably will lead into a big car crash.
They are using exclusively computer vision now which means it's subject to misinterpreting potential obstacles.
The worst part about this is they used to have radar, but removed it because they couldn't fix the bugs in the sensor fusion between the cameras and the radar.
Also it's not self driving, you're supposed to remain vigilant the whole time and take over any second.
They essentially expect you to do the same thing a driving instructor does, which is magnitudes more mentally taxing than just driving yourself.
Finally many legislations already banned Tesla from advertising their glorified lane assist as self-driving.
Will take effect in 2023.
I'm still amazed the first tech bros didn't catch on that he's a retard when he started spouting shit like >Lidar has no future >Computer vision only is the way to go
Lmfao sure bro
On the topic of lidar, the saddest thing is lidar chips research is almost a decade old at this point.
There are even several startups at this point who try to commercialize them and they are still not implementing them.
I'm pretty sure it would have been possible to acquire several of these startups with the le meme amount of 44.69 billion.
My theory on what happened is the following > Be Elon >Automotive driving research is expensive >Lots of hardware related r&d eats all of the cost >A few code monkeys that work on AI are cheaper >Remove all hardware and disband respective r&d departments >Hire code monkeys
Here comes the public part >You now have to justify this retarded decision which is essentially "we have to stay cheap" >That sounds bad tho >Announce lidar has no future and only the stuff left that the code monkeys are responsible for is relevant >Mission successful >Genius status retained
5 years later...
He is being saying shit like that for 20 years in the space sector, and people still followed him.
He managed to make people believe that he was really acknowledge and that he only was wrong in the exact field they really knew about
My theory about Elon is that he is fundamentally a very talented engineer and entrepreneur. Maybe a genius of sorts in these areas. Buy a good 70-90% of what he does is grifting, and his actual talent is enough for otherwise smart people to drink his kool aid. He’s also actually insane and believes his own bullshit. This is starting to cause problems with him in his retarded twitter saga. Unless he goes through some radical personality change, 2023 is going to be a spectacular downfall for him in a way few can imagine right now.
>My theory about Elon is that he is fundamentally a very talented engineer
There is literally nothing to indicate this. Where the fuck did even the "engineer" meme come from?
He has no degree. Main thing for me is just what other engineers who worked closely with him have to say about him. I think in interviews too he’s at least able to answer a lot of engineering related questions fairly impressively. This is one of the very few parts of the elon mythology that i think has merit to it. If he wasn’t a spastic grifter, he’d probably be a sillicon valley billionaire that almost no one has heard of.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>who worked closely with him have to say about him
For him*
Very important correction lmao
He has no degree. Main thing for me is just what other engineers who worked closely with him have to say about him. I think in interviews too he’s at least able to answer a lot of engineering related questions fairly impressively. This is one of the very few parts of the elon mythology that i think has merit to it. If he wasn’t a spastic grifter, he’d probably be a sillicon valley billionaire that almost no one has heard of.
Dude no, I was trying to say that he was saying things very retarded for any engineer to say, like obviously wrong if you are part of the sector.
But the space sector is very obscure for the general public, he could get away with it, as in the surface what was published in the media made sense at least in the surface. Its rocket science after all.
He managed to buy a working project, be there when obama privatized the space launch sector, had luck with a couple of terrible years with the proton and to spend a ton on pr to astroturf the internet and get a media cult
>I was trying to say that he was saying things very retarded for any engineer to say, like obviously wrong if you are part of the sector.
I completely agree. But at the same time I think he has some kind of actual talent in the area. Which is why people give him the benefit of the doubt when he says spastic nonsense.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>I completely agree. But at the same time I think he has some kind of actual talent in the area. Which is why people give him the benefit of the doubt when he says spastic nonsense.
I think is more like, if everyone likes this guy he cannot be that wrong in general, even if in my niche thing he is wrong
>Also it's not self driving, you're supposed to remain vigilant the whole time and take over any second.
i still dont get why the fuck anyone would want this
It's a novelty. People feel involved in an advanced AI project, they get to be part of the future arriving. Besides, it's not perfect yet, so it's interesting to see the car try and drive itself, and how it screws up, and watch it improve with version updates. Plus you're taking a risk, and that's exciting. On top of that, you can show it to other people and enjoy their reactions, or even profit from them (people do self-driving demonstrations for youtube videos, for example).
Still not practical, but it doesn't need to be, for the first adopters. I'm not sure I believe that full self driving is feasible with less than a full human level of general intelligence, but I think it's entirely feasible with some modest changes to rules of the road and some remote traffic cops.
>you're supposed to remain vigilant the whole time and take over any second
This is why "self driving" cars and any other kind of driving assist are worthless to me.
Only a retard wouldn't want to be responsible for their own safety. I don't even like to fly because I don't have any control of the plane.
If we removed all the training wheels and padding keeping the average moron from killing themselves then there wouldn't be enough traffic to have to worry about autopilot.
When Driver A is looking at Facebook while driving on the interstate, in order to avoid a crash, Driver B would have to be aware of that in a way that involves intuition and reason, faculties which the self driving car does not have. Driver B isn't merely "reacting" when Driver A swerves out of their lane or taps their brakes for no reason - they were anticipating that the entire time. And the evidence for that anticipation were minor clues like seeing the hunched over silhouette of the other driver. "I bet this guy's on his fucking phone." A self driving car would maintain speed and position, until Driver A makes their fatal move, in which case the self driving car has nothing but reaction to stop it. This avoided crash can't be trained in a model. The behavior of the self driving car exemplifies survivorship bias.
The self driving car doesn't need to pick between hitting an old woman and the child who ran into the street after his ball. It needs to be able to look at its entire surroundings and make the assumption that unsupervised children playing with a ball on the sidewalk are a ready source of driving danger.
When a self driving car hits a human driven car that breaks traffic laws, makes the absolute worst decisions in a given situation, behaves erratically so as to almost be random - it is automatically the self driving car's "fault."
Okay so are you saying these cars are perfect that isn't true either. If anything; it means we are far away from self-driving cards being a market standard, as we are still chimps driving metal bricks with rubber shoes. Cars are century-old technology, I think that needs to progress before we can incorporate AI.
I am not saying they are perfect, I am saying they have to be perfect and that's not possible. It is always going to be the computer's fault. I have always felt that this was a fool's errand, and the only place a self driving vehicle of any size made sense was in a closed controlled system. Like a yard at a trucking terminal or inside of a warehouse. But that space would have to be absolutely off limits to humans, and fully enclosed so that entropic elements could not interfere. The dream of AI machines working hand-in-hand, side-by-side with humans is not remotely possible at this time.
Ironically, operating vehicles on public roadways might be THE most difficult task to take on, and they're going for it first.
>I am not saying they are perfect, I am saying they have to be perfect and that's not possible.
What a great point. Unles our whole traffic system is:
1. On rails
2. Fully network integrated
3. Easily programmable
3. All cars can communicate and say "hi" to each other
IDK if it's possible to have a perfect self-driving system. We are still using roman inventions like roads lol.
The only way these machines can be "automated" is perhaps by augmenting a human-brain interface to control it with more ease.
But that's not true automation.
The other alternative is to enslave a sentient AI to the task, but we all know the inherit problem of that.
I would probably be uncomfortable with road autopilot without an actual sentient AI working. It's not like air travel or space, there's too many tasks involved with monitoring obstacles.
It's why we generally leave the autopilot to after takeoff.
i don't understand the point of self-driving cars
if you want to give up direct control over transportation, you might as well give it to somebody that you can demand money from if they fuck it up
>And somebody that had a vested interest in not crashing the car.
Lolno, that somebody had a vested interest in you buying the car and making sure the car seems like it didn't crash by itself.
>It turns off a second before crash >Why? We dunno but don't worry elonbros any bad reason is just speculation, it doesn't have to mean something bad! Just keep enjoooying and autopiloooting!
Kek what is this article
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Anonymous
>Kek what is this article >We need to report about this finding >B-but tesla is paying a shitton in ads on our site >I know let's play pretend this shit isn't bad, people don't read the articles anyways...
I bet it was like this.
5 months ago
Anonymous
more like if we made a bad impression of tesla we would lose all the elon cult followers and will probably give us way bad rep
>one of many
How many, I'd bet it's much lower than tesla:other car ratio
Fucking lmao, we've let this clown entrepeneur larping as a technologist get rich off of these scams while he got people killed for the sake of being first
>looney chud crying and shitting his diapers again
i guarantee you were shitting and pissing your pants over elon for some shit like wanting to end private vehicle ownership with EVs but now you simp for him because he owns twitter and is now LE BASED!!!!!!!!
>cries and shits his diapers further
wasn't that anon, but you know i'm right. your dearth of any kind of response is proof
>wasn't that anon
lole
cope
t. original anon
And remember how he told you that if you bought the top end autopilot service you'll have full self driving, 7 years after and that self driving feature a fuckton people paid for is still missing and with no release in sight.
Moreover, he's still selling that feature on the top end pack with some other, faulty and buggy, self driving features that still don't drive the car for you and most probably will lead into a big car crash.
They are using exclusively computer vision now which means it's subject to misinterpreting potential obstacles.
The worst part about this is they used to have radar, but removed it because they couldn't fix the bugs in the sensor fusion between the cameras and the radar.
Also it's not self driving, you're supposed to remain vigilant the whole time and take over any second.
They essentially expect you to do the same thing a driving instructor does, which is magnitudes more mentally taxing than just driving yourself.
Finally many legislations already banned Tesla from advertising their glorified lane assist as self-driving.
Will take effect in 2023.
I'm still amazed the first tech bros didn't catch on that he's a retard when he started spouting shit like
>Lidar has no future
>Computer vision only is the way to go
Lmfao sure bro
>the world's richest man is a retard
what a cope
Gene therapy cannot increase IQ yet, so, yes.
ok retard
The world's richest man is indeed not a retard. The second world's richest man (Elon), however, is.
you're clearly the retard here
>first/second richest man in the world is a retard because… because… because he hurt my feefees!
Kek loser cope
On the topic of lidar, the saddest thing is lidar chips research is almost a decade old at this point.
There are even several startups at this point who try to commercialize them and they are still not implementing them.
I'm pretty sure it would have been possible to acquire several of these startups with the le meme amount of 44.69 billion.
My theory on what happened is the following
> Be Elon
>Automotive driving research is expensive
>Lots of hardware related r&d eats all of the cost
>A few code monkeys that work on AI are cheaper
>Remove all hardware and disband respective r&d departments
>Hire code monkeys
Here comes the public part
>You now have to justify this retarded decision which is essentially "we have to stay cheap"
>That sounds bad tho
>Announce lidar has no future and only the stuff left that the code monkeys are responsible for is relevant
>Mission successful
>Genius status retained
5 years later...
He is being saying shit like that for 20 years in the space sector, and people still followed him.
He managed to make people believe that he was really acknowledge and that he only was wrong in the exact field they really knew about
My theory about Elon is that he is fundamentally a very talented engineer and entrepreneur. Maybe a genius of sorts in these areas. Buy a good 70-90% of what he does is grifting, and his actual talent is enough for otherwise smart people to drink his kool aid. He’s also actually insane and believes his own bullshit. This is starting to cause problems with him in his retarded twitter saga. Unless he goes through some radical personality change, 2023 is going to be a spectacular downfall for him in a way few can imagine right now.
>My theory about Elon is that he is fundamentally a very talented engineer
There is literally nothing to indicate this. Where the fuck did even the "engineer" meme come from?
He has no degree. Main thing for me is just what other engineers who worked closely with him have to say about him. I think in interviews too he’s at least able to answer a lot of engineering related questions fairly impressively. This is one of the very few parts of the elon mythology that i think has merit to it. If he wasn’t a spastic grifter, he’d probably be a sillicon valley billionaire that almost no one has heard of.
>who worked closely with him have to say about him
For him*
Very important correction lmao
Dude no, I was trying to say that he was saying things very retarded for any engineer to say, like obviously wrong if you are part of the sector.
But the space sector is very obscure for the general public, he could get away with it, as in the surface what was published in the media made sense at least in the surface. Its rocket science after all.
He managed to buy a working project, be there when obama privatized the space launch sector, had luck with a couple of terrible years with the proton and to spend a ton on pr to astroturf the internet and get a media cult
>I was trying to say that he was saying things very retarded for any engineer to say, like obviously wrong if you are part of the sector.
I completely agree. But at the same time I think he has some kind of actual talent in the area. Which is why people give him the benefit of the doubt when he says spastic nonsense.
>I completely agree. But at the same time I think he has some kind of actual talent in the area. Which is why people give him the benefit of the doubt when he says spastic nonsense.
I think is more like, if everyone likes this guy he cannot be that wrong in general, even if in my niche thing he is wrong
>Also it's not self driving, you're supposed to remain vigilant the whole time and take over any second.
i still dont get why the fuck anyone would want this
It's a novelty. People feel involved in an advanced AI project, they get to be part of the future arriving. Besides, it's not perfect yet, so it's interesting to see the car try and drive itself, and how it screws up, and watch it improve with version updates. Plus you're taking a risk, and that's exciting. On top of that, you can show it to other people and enjoy their reactions, or even profit from them (people do self-driving demonstrations for youtube videos, for example).
Still not practical, but it doesn't need to be, for the first adopters. I'm not sure I believe that full self driving is feasible with less than a full human level of general intelligence, but I think it's entirely feasible with some modest changes to rules of the road and some remote traffic cops.
>you're supposed to remain vigilant the whole time and take over any second
This is why "self driving" cars and any other kind of driving assist are worthless to me.
There just happened to be a police car and there just happened to be an ambulance etc
Maybe AI-kun got confused by flashing lights.
Only a retard wouldn't want to be responsible for their own safety. I don't even like to fly because I don't have any control of the plane.
If we removed all the training wheels and padding keeping the average moron from killing themselves then there wouldn't be enough traffic to have to worry about autopilot.
I still remember articles from 5 years ago saying truck drivers were going to be homeless soon due to AI. Look at us now.
What I wanted: self-driving cars
What I got: cars that repo themselves or kill you when the feds push a button
When Driver A is looking at Facebook while driving on the interstate, in order to avoid a crash, Driver B would have to be aware of that in a way that involves intuition and reason, faculties which the self driving car does not have. Driver B isn't merely "reacting" when Driver A swerves out of their lane or taps their brakes for no reason - they were anticipating that the entire time. And the evidence for that anticipation were minor clues like seeing the hunched over silhouette of the other driver. "I bet this guy's on his fucking phone." A self driving car would maintain speed and position, until Driver A makes their fatal move, in which case the self driving car has nothing but reaction to stop it. This avoided crash can't be trained in a model. The behavior of the self driving car exemplifies survivorship bias.
The self driving car doesn't need to pick between hitting an old woman and the child who ran into the street after his ball. It needs to be able to look at its entire surroundings and make the assumption that unsupervised children playing with a ball on the sidewalk are a ready source of driving danger.
When a self driving car hits a human driven car that breaks traffic laws, makes the absolute worst decisions in a given situation, behaves erratically so as to almost be random - it is automatically the self driving car's "fault."
Okay so are you saying these cars are perfect that isn't true either. If anything; it means we are far away from self-driving cards being a market standard, as we are still chimps driving metal bricks with rubber shoes. Cars are century-old technology, I think that needs to progress before we can incorporate AI.
I am not saying they are perfect, I am saying they have to be perfect and that's not possible. It is always going to be the computer's fault. I have always felt that this was a fool's errand, and the only place a self driving vehicle of any size made sense was in a closed controlled system. Like a yard at a trucking terminal or inside of a warehouse. But that space would have to be absolutely off limits to humans, and fully enclosed so that entropic elements could not interfere. The dream of AI machines working hand-in-hand, side-by-side with humans is not remotely possible at this time.
Ironically, operating vehicles on public roadways might be THE most difficult task to take on, and they're going for it first.
>I am not saying they are perfect, I am saying they have to be perfect and that's not possible.
What a great point. Unles our whole traffic system is:
1. On rails
2. Fully network integrated
3. Easily programmable
3. All cars can communicate and say "hi" to each other
IDK if it's possible to have a perfect self-driving system. We are still using roman inventions like roads lol.
Okay, yeah who is dumb enough to really let a 3 ton metal tube drive itself?
The retards that buy a Tesla
> I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.
What caused those emergency vehicles to back into that Tesla? It was obviously minding it's own business, being on autopilot, as it were.
Ambulance drivers keep crashing into Teslas because they fear losing their jobs to automation.
The only way these machines can be "automated" is perhaps by augmenting a human-brain interface to control it with more ease.
But that's not true automation.
The other alternative is to enslave a sentient AI to the task, but we all know the inherit problem of that.
I would probably be uncomfortable with road autopilot without an actual sentient AI working. It's not like air travel or space, there's too many tasks involved with monitoring obstacles.
It's why we generally leave the autopilot to after takeoff.
>augmenting a human-brain interface to control it with more ease.
That is cool, but that would still cause accidents.
>why
so the "journalist" can cash in on his shorts
i don't understand the point of self-driving cars
if you want to give up direct control over transportation, you might as well give it to somebody that you can demand money from if they fuck it up
And somebody that had a vested interest in not crashing the car.
>And somebody that had a vested interest in not crashing the car.
Lolno, that somebody had a vested interest in you buying the car and making sure the car seems like it didn't crash by itself.
I was implying that if you have someone else drive you they don't want to crash.
>if you have someone else drive you they don't want to crash.
And hide the evidence if they do crash you kek
>https://www.motortrend.com/news/nhtsa-tesla-autopilot-investigation-shutoff-crash/
>It turns off a second before crash
>Why? We dunno but don't worry elonbros any bad reason is just speculation, it doesn't have to mean something bad! Just keep enjoooying and autopiloooting!
Kek what is this article
>Kek what is this article
>We need to report about this finding
>B-but tesla is paying a shitton in ads on our site
>I know let's play pretend this shit isn't bad, people don't read the articles anyways...
I bet it was like this.
more like if we made a bad impression of tesla we would lose all the elon cult followers and will probably give us way bad rep