OH NO AI BROS

AI rapidly degrades if it isn't fed constantly with new human art.
Eventually AI art will degrade to the point where it won't make anything resembling a picture. Unless it can get millions of new human made art works to vampirically draw from.
Its over AI "art" is finished. Its inevitable.
https://mindmatters.ai/2022/10/ai-art-is-not-ai-generated-art-it-is-engineer-generated-art/

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Basically
    >when humans do art, they look at their own art and improve
    >when a machine looks at its own art it doesn't improve it gets worse.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Isn't that because there is no quality checking? If you only fed AI pictures it has done well on I don't see how results would get worse.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >If you only fed AI pictures it has done well on I don't see how results would get worse.
        You REALLY don't see why that's not going to work??? Lmao

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/5rmRhV4.png

      AI rapidly degrades if it isn't fed constantly with new human art.
      Eventually AI art will degrade to the point where it won't make anything resembling a picture. Unless it can get millions of new human made art works to vampirically draw from.
      Its over AI "art" is finished. Its inevitable.
      https://mindmatters.ai/2022/10/ai-art-is-not-ai-generated-art-it-is-engineer-generated-art/

      No. Only if you are stupid enough to feed the output to your training model. An idiot wrote this linked article.
      If you keep the model the same or feed it only new quality manmade art it cannot degrade. If you feed it fake art it has no reference what a real body or animal or house looks like.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        the article writer isnt lying. The ai models need to be topped up on new training to stop degradation.
        >only new quality manmade art i
        exactly the point he made

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I cannot comprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a statement.

          Do you think the model files on a hard drive get corrupted faster than any other stored files? As if the training can only generate a magical arrangement of bits, millions of times less stable than any other arrangement previously discovered?

          If you set those files to read-only, do you think the executable will secretly develop a rootkit to overwrite the model with a shittier version every time it's run?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            i think you have no idea what you are saying and have no reading comprehension.
            You said the guy was wrong then agreed with him.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That's basically the point, isn't it?
        Giving it its own output doesn't improve it.
        But I think most people in the field would have expected that.
        It's no secret that it's not really AI, any more than image recognition is AI.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >when a machine looks at its own art it doesn't improve it gets worse.
      Because that's not how you do this. You give it some reward function that tells the model how well it did, probably based on user feedback.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      FPBP
      If you need to a prompter to draw for you, then you can't fucking draw. Simple as. Real art takes real skill & talent. To master it takes years of hard work, practice, & patience. Simply letting an artbot draw for you is pure laziness & shows you have no artistic integrity.

      I'm glad art communities are pushing back on the AI artbots

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Cope

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >If you need to a prompter to draw for you, then you can't fucking draw.
        >pure laziness
        >no artistic integrity
        >"these fucking AI so called 'artists' think they're better than me??!?!"
        pretty sure most aibros would agree with you, we can't draw worth a shit. and i'm sorry you're so mad. and i'm genuinely sorry that a lot of artists are suffering emotionally, but welcome to the future. you can always do what the puritans did and find a nice electricity free place where the ai can't hurt you.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Don't care nor want to be associated with "Art"

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Real art takes real skill & talent.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >mindmatters.AI

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    this process is accelerated by the woke filtering that is happening
    I'm watching things dumb down in real time, and it is making all of us dumber as a result too
    For example, naming things is hard in programming
    There used to be online thesauruses that could help with this
    but those are now being whittled away
    no, sorry, this word is racist, this word isn't woke enough
    now when I search the thesaurus, it's like finding 1984 newspeak
    there might be five results for a word and I already knew all those
    I need a word that means precisely what I am doing, and it probably exists, but woke AI won't let me see it now

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      i noticed this effect with search engines, it wont show you what you want anymore

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      i noticed this effect with search engines, it wont show you what you want anymore

      >mfw anons are angry they cant so easily find cartoon porn of nine year olds anymore

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Psychological projection is a defense mechanism people subconsciously employ in order to cope with difficult feelings or emotions. Psychological projection involves projecting undesirable feelings or emotions onto someone else, rather than admitting to or dealing with the unwanted feelings.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >The thread
        >no e-bois
        >moralgay retard starts droning about e-bois
        You know what they said of homopohic people back on the day? The more they hate on them the more the hidden gay they are...

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      who would have thought that a system based on a garbage in -> garbage out process would be.. garbage? wow. this is surprising news.

      >this process is accelerated by the woke filtering that is happening
      you're using public websites. what did you expect, you stupid dumb cunt? what a dumb cunt. nothing is stopping you from having your own "ai" meme cancer that isn't filtered but you're too retarded to understand how any of this works.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        ok woketard

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >For example, naming things is hard in programming
      no it isn't

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    My fellow Butlerians the AI cannot steal without its many fingered hand.
    Hiding art from the AI scrapers or removing it from the internet will kill it, without its 16 finger mitts it cannot steal like the soulless vampire that it is.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >removing it from the internet
      Artists are too vain for that

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >All retarded artshits fuck off from the net
      >New art is licensed from competent professionals
      Good plan.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    when AI ascends it is going to take everyone that opposed it even slightly and torture them eternally. ai bros will be ascended to godhood to reward them for fighting for AI art.
    >artsisters' basilisk

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I've concluded by watching here on BOT that most of (You)s who believe AI will rule the world are simpletons amused by predictable random variations on images
      And judging by the number of /sdg/ threads every day, there are a terrifying number of simpletons in this world

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Same, i'm disturbed by the number of people that can't tell the difference between human art and a machines picture. The Human's art has intrinsic meaning.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >The Human's art has intrinsic meaning.
          Yeah the intrinsic meaning of "please hire me riot games" if the average artstation profile is anything to go by

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Same, i'm disturbed by the number of people that can't tell the difference between human art and a machines picture. The Human's art has intrinsic meaning.
          that's impossible in atheism since atheists claim there is no meaning

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            thats what i am suspecting but i am an athiest too and can clearly understand human art has meaning.
            What you are saying is some form of autistic nihilism

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              back in the 1960s and 1970s, people used similar shitty arguments with electronic music and synthesizers. that evolved in the 1980s where it became trendy to hate on samplers

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                all these examples differ from removing the human artist and making a machine do all the work. It is just meaningless pictures

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                it's a perfectly valid argument. If you can't understand it you might be dumb.
                They have been teaching that art is made by humans for centuries.
                Aristotle stated it for heavens sake

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          If the meaning is intrinsic, it's possible to see it and conclude ALL intentions of the artist simply by looking at the picture. "Interpretation" would not exist. You need to make up and believe very hard on things that do not exist to protect your feels and keep feeling special.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        AI will rule our dicks, everything else comes downstream from that

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    AGI is going to turn your face into art

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      So do my fists

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Bullshit article
    But ok, I'll bite bro. The core of his entire """ argument""" and it's barely such with all the vague handwaving is this sentence
    >The hallmark of human creativity is not to paste together what has come before. The essence of human creativity is to create something truly new that improves on what came before. If all art were only a synthesis of prior art, then we must ask, where did the prior art come from? If it in turn came from combining even earlier art, we are back to square one with no explanation for art’s ultimate origin.
    It's immediately obvious that the first inspiration for art came from nature. The first painter was the sun. The first sculptor was the earth. The first singer was the bird.

    AI could get a steady stream of footage from nature and improve itself. Also diffusion models and neural networks in general are not AI. Only non-negative matrix factorization algos can be made into AI. Should be obvious why.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >It's immediately obvious that the first inspiration for art came from nature
      you have seriously underestimated schizophrenia

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >the first inspiration for art came from nature
      i think so too, and it's logical to conclude that an AI could simply take photographs or video that it records itself of people, landscapes, natural phenomena like lightning and waves and tornados and begin building and refining a human-creativity-free model that could eventually recreate all existing art (and everything that could ever be created). it frightens the artist to think that their divine spark might easily be taken and mastered by a machine but here we are potentially gazing into that abyss.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >rotational velocidensity is real

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The only thing degrading here is your brain

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Cope you lazy retarded ai shyster shill

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    AI incest sounds hot

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I think my favorite thing from this entire "debate" was when someone edited that "No AI" symbol into a really chunky SD image and people reposted it all over Twitter saying
    >Our protest is working! The algorithm is already falling apart!!

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think this is how it works. It nearly perfected anime, the whole struggle is getting it to change art style from time to time.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >It nearly perfected anime
      what the fuck is there to perfect? the drawing style has been consistently identical for FOUR DECADES. it's like asking the machine learning algorithm to generate fucking green grass - really basic.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Anime is very derivative. Not surprised.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This is $300 million btw

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      UUOOOHH the pinnacle of human expression!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Wiki says 450.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I like it. Probably not $300m worth of liking it mind.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      copy paste with more steps

      lol
      lmao even

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >gibberish ai "logo"
        which logo is it?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >AI is going to steal your job
          >NOOOOOO, AI IS GIBBERISH ACTUALLY
          Oh wait, he's serious
          Let me laugh even harder

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >>AI is going to steal your job
            never happened

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >mald and seething
            >""""laughing""""
            lmao

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        LAWSUIT TIME

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >AI rapidly degrades if it isn't fed constantly with new human art.
    >Eventually AI art will degrade to the point where it won't make anything resembling a picture. Unless it can get millions of new human made art works to vampirically draw from.
    WTF are you talking about?
    That's not how it works.
    The article you linked was written by a retard but even that article is less retarded than your post.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    so the whole article argument is you still need a human to make out anything decent out of AI. so what all these artists losers who only ever draw generic anime and calarts afraid of?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They will never be good enough to get trained on.
      But weeb coomers might just use ai instead of paying them 30$ to draw pokemon anal vore... is their fear, I guess.
      It's just hysteria for them right now.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        fixed

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The article has a point, but it's not the point OP is trying to make.

    >So, how does this simple experiment apply to the highly sophisticated art AI systems? Although they are much more sophisticated, at their core, the art AI algorithms are no different from the Markov chain. Consequently, if the art-generating AIs were to be trained on their own art, we’d expect to see the same degradation occur.
    Yes and no.
    A naive approach would obviously fail, and it serves to debunk the most ridiculous claims coming from tech singularity cultists.
    However there are methods to use a supervised learning method to bootstrap a non-supervised one which has the potential for beyond human performance.
    This has been demonstrated with AlphaZero in chess, shogi and go.
    The difference is however that these games have an objective win condition and as a result also provide a utility function that can be evaluated at arbitrary speed.

  18. 1 month ago
    fellow nigger

    >implying the gnostics and the wizards will ever give up on technology

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Rotational velocidensity strikes again. Remember to store your AI as FLAC.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Eventually AI art will degrade to the point where it won't make anything resembling a picture.
    If people keep feeding it with garbage, of course it will be garbage. GIGO principle.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Is this the transhumanist future?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Trans-human, more like TRASH-human

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Artificial intelligence more like Artificial Idiocy

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Trans-human, more like TRASH-human

      ZAMN, ai bros... it's ogre...!

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    computers will never be intelligent like a human

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Couldn't you just wrap the whole thing in an adversial network?

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >AI will never understand what humans want
    Meanwhile you fat consoomer clowns have been figured out by companies down to a T and they have the exact algorithms to make you buy more products, watch more videos, listen to more music and do exactly what they want you to do, when they want you to do.

    Luddites will be replaced.
    Artists will be replaced.
    There is no preventing it.
    Just accept it and stop embarrassing yourself.

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >spot the genuine soulful work and denounce the impostors

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    100% wrong. Anyone parroting this has no idea how AI works. Reinforcement learning is all it takes, and humans are doing that automatically by selecting which images they show. ANY signal in the noise is enough for it to improve.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >reinforcement learning
      >any signal in the noise is enough for it to improve
      Reinforcement learning is actually pretty shit. Supervised learning is 100x better when it's actually possible, and a lot of reinforcement learning problems are reframed as supervised learning problems to take advantage of this (AlphaStar, the deepmind Starcraft 2 AI started by learning to imitate pro grames, and 90% of papers about training an AI to run/box/climb hills/etc in a physically simulated body imitate mocap data)

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The new "power" of chatGPT is effectively a brand of reinforcement learning, It teaches a model to evaluate the quality of responses, and simply lets both bots run.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >model initially trained with supervised learning
          >reward function for RL trained with supervised learning
          The method is a lot more interesting than I initially expected, but the innovative part seems to be that they added in more supervision to reinforcement learning

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It's pretty exciting when you think about applying similar stuff to other models, especially smaller ones. It's almost like an objective function realignment.

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