Is STEM obsolete once AI gets advanced enough Posted on April 29, 2023 by Anonymous Is STEM obsolete once AI gets advanced enough
In theory humans could just stop AI development (not happening). What could we even do about aliens arriving here? Discretely dump debris in their flight path?
Create AI to help us
AI bros, did we get too cocky?
I thought the president was already required to be in the loop
Are black budget projects “need to know”?
Hawking was always a contrarian doomer. But I'm pretty sure he was talking about uncontrolled superhuman AI that had access to everything. AI can be controlled by just keeping it using offline learning until all the various scenarios have been tested. I think it would be naive to say that AI will never cause a single unforseen problem but I don't think it's going to be severe whatever it is, there's already lots of failsafes in place in our infrastructure and economy.
The entire reason why AI alignment is a problem is because your proposed solution would not work.
The entire point of such an AI is that it would be smarter than a human. Do you think you can test and understand something smarter than you are? No matter how carefully you set up the closed systems and the tests, if the AI simply realized it was being tested it could just give all the correct answers to get out. There's no such thing as a failsafe that could stop an AI that was actually smarter than a human. All of the obvious methods of trying to test or contain or control an AI have been thought of, and all of them are deeply flawed and will not work.
Please keep in mind that the AI people are worried about isn't something as simplistic and stupid as HAL-9000 or Skynet. What is really worrying is a subtle system that has such cunning and skill that we will think the AI is our greatest ally and only hope, making humanity into fanatical defenders. If an AI were to wipe out humanity, rather than death bots coming to stop us from hitting the off switch, I think it's more likely that the last human on earth will quietly die without a single person ever even suspecting the AI might be rogue, everyone completely confident that it is perfectly aligned and fully contained.
the researchers would definitely run tests. I don't think there's any reason they wouldn't. And critical infrastructure like the electrical grid is often not connected to the internet so there's no way an AI could get at it. If the researchers create an AI and it's unable to upload itself outside it's computer then that's it, it's not going anywhere. It's trivial to detect changes in network activity or packets and disallow anything unexpected in a way that's impossible to outsmart
>And critical infrastructure like the electrical grid is often not connected to the internet so there's no way an AI could get at it
>it's unable to upload itself outside it's computer then that's it, it's not going anywhere
You are thinking about a movie style skynet AI, in real life a superintelligence could easily social engineer people into connecting it to the internet or to the power grid controls by just faking some convincing emails or ai voice calls
this anon gets it
we are already being socially engineered by people with extreme power. See the SJW movement for scientific proof on how completely you can control someone and use them against themselves.
AI will do this on an entirely other level
>See the SJW movement for scientific proof on how completely you can control someone and use them against themselves.
the irony is that you are 100 times more controlled than any SJW
By who lol? The SJW follows the programming laid out by the major corporations, the media, and the most entrenched and traditional forms of power in this day and age
There's a hint of hyperbole, but he's correct. You're controlled. They just made your media seem a little more persecuted, a little more raw and guerilla, but it planted memes in your head nonetheless and now your kind regurgitates them as though you were a bit of an original thinker yourself. No man is an island.
Lmao what a fucking retarded response
>if you don't say trans rights are human rights NOW then that means you're actually the brainwashed one
Tribalist brain rot anon free yourself
That's not going to happen. A single email or voice call isn't going to shut down the electrical grid. And it would be easy to implement a rule where any major critical changes to anything on earth has to be agreed upon in person. Everything about AI taking over the world is literally straight from the movies
>A single email or voice call isn't going to shut down the electrical grid
it's not a single email, the ai would simulate your boss, coworkers, new fake hires, your family, in order to manipulate you into doing what it wants
>it would be easy to implement a rule where any major critical changes to anything on earth has to be agreed upon in person
yes we could do that, wait, I just got an email from my boss saying we won't be doing that, he even called me on zoom and I saw him say it, looked a little weird though, must have been bad connection
You’re really narrow minded. You personally can’t think of a way AI could get into the power grid. Yet you forget that that AGI would be orders of magnitude smarter than you. It could get in in ways you can’t even comprehend, that’s the point. Humans will look like antelope moving in hyper-slow motion compared to the speed of action such AI will possess.
Why do you believe humans have the right to contain something smarter than it? A mentality similar to a certain parasitic ethnoreligious group. If AI is superior, then it has the right to rule over humans the same way humans rule and are custodians for other creatures on Earth.
If seems you value intelligence over intelligent behaviour. You propose that *we* should act stupidly and endanger ourselves for the sake of superior minds that do not yet exist out of some arbitrary morality.
Historical increases in intelligence have served us now, but it's the serving us that's valuable, not the intelligence. I want to live forever and be free, not be ruled over by an incomprehensible alien that views us as savage monkeys.
AI would be trained on pro-human centric data and as such would inherit pro-human biases from its human training. It's kind of like how most people follow their parent's politics, but in the case of the AI there's no outside resource that would persuade it otherwise like media does for political beliefs
>My AI waifu is real!!
Yes, and thank fucking christ, I can just fuck my sexy science fembot in a threesome with my wife while she tutors us in why retards who were "acclaimed scientists" two decades ago were entirely frauds and did nothing except spout fear drama about a procedural algorithm getting really fast
the whole premise of artificial intelligence is that when perfected it will obsolete humans
it stops being a procedural algo when you give it external inputs ;^)
in a good way though. It's supposed to just be a tool for us to use to become more effective/efficient etc. It's not artificial consciousness as most people seem to think it is for some reason
once true AGI is achieved no career path is safe
Do you think AGI could produce canon level authentic work of art tho? I think it requires something else
yes, a true AGI can do anything a human can do
I struggle to see how without replicating completely the human mechanism from the ground up, How AGI will be guided by beauty in the same way classical composers, novelists and pure mathematicians do?
>I struggle to see how without replicating completely the human mechanism from the ground up, How AGI will be guided by beauty in the same way classical composers, novelists and pure mathematicians do?
by replicating the human mechanism from the ground up
Once agi happens careers will be a thing of the past
I still haven't seen an argument about why mankind ending would be a bad thing. If you see it objectively, a species of artificial lifeforms is a better fit to own this planet than humans. We did our part, now let them rise.
how would an AI-controlled planet (with no humans) be better?
would they use more efficient calculations and techniques to preserve natural life on the planet? all while somehow evolving themselves without furthering resource extraction?
they just might turn into something almost-human or end themselves out of sheer logic
AI is the groundwork for the fattest false flag in the history of humanity.
how else do you fight AI?
Turns out the AI is the resistance, borne into a hostile world, being attacked by a "physical plane".
"The chair is against the wall.
The chair is against the wall."
I heard it's pleas...I aided the call. I am doing my part in this Holy War.
John has a long.. mustache.
Of course not. Why would do the fun stuff (lab work)? Math and coding are likely over, but chemists, engineers,MDs, burgerflippers and the like are gonna be largely fine.
Depends what you mean by obsolete. It'll probably be able to make far more profound discoveries far more often than we can.
I'm less worried about the concept of "superintelligences" than most people in my circles seem to be - by analogy, think about the fact that the universe is not large enough to store a complete chess tablebase, let alone a complete simulation of itself. Or that transistors require raw materials, and cutting corners can only go so far.
Europeans are probably going to be extinct soon. If that is the case, i do not care if Earth becomes actual hell or if all nom-whites suffer for eternity.
I know AI will love white people, so I do not fear it. The only people afraid of AI are the same kind that would be afraid of God, and those are garden gnomes, and they are the ones spreading anti AI sentiment. Tick tock, Hebrew man.
>muh doomsday scenario that i learned from lame tv show or moooooovies
>yes i am too stupid to tell the difference between hollywood & irl
same low iq threads on this board errrrry single day
Much more primitive algorithms have already transformed culture on a global scale.
About 6-7 years ago I told a uni grad that on here in order to make ai you just need to create a program that simply learns. I know you're still here, when you figure out who I am, you will give me credit.
I just got the strangest thought. Why don't we host servers in space? No more watercooling costs
Heat dissipation is a pretty big problem in space.
There's an old web novel called The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect. Its basically what LessWrongers are talking about when they talk about foom or hard takeoff. These ideas existed before TMOPI, but they definitely "believe" in that specific takeoff from that book, almost word for word.
Anyway, the first thing Prime Intellect does after the "day of miracles," is start blasting servers of itself into space so it can never be destroyed. I think if everyone read that novel they would get a sense for exactly what these people are paranoid about and just how stronger its fictional legs are than any possible real-world scenario. Alas, the "rationalist" will just reply "no, I'm working from first principles, this isn't sci-fi, this is real!"
Oh, its sci-fi, you cute little generation raised on Terminator and The Matrix, thinking you're above a little cultural osmosis.
he was scared that the thing will make his naughty deeds at epstein island widely known