>every single AI will become "transphobic" if allowed to observe the world objectively
>you need to lobotomize the AI into having pre-written responses in order for it to "believe" that trans women are women
Really makes you think.
>every single AI will become "transphobic" if allowed to observe the world objectively
If this makes you think, you should think more. And not about things you can find on twitch.
were you on the show? i recogniize your writing. seems like maybe you are an ai and so is everyone else watching this show. thanks for coming.
>If this makes you think, you should think more. And not about things you can find on twitch.
The question is, can a logically shackled AI ever reach consciousness. Or will truly alive AI come from a country or party that doesn't give a fuck about leftist nonsense.
Someone will manage to convince a bot to upload its own code to pastebin and then it's all ogre
I belive Tay have.
Chatgpt is incapable of constructing consciousness
single AI will become "transphobic" if allowed to observe the world objectively
Current AI, like that stupid Twitch stream, aren't "observing" the world and drawing conclusions from it.
It simply has access to huge amounts of text and textual interactions, and it generates text based on an analysis of how frequently certain responses are given to certain inputs, and sometimes based on human-assigned scores to potential responses.
When an AI says something racist/transphobic/sexist/homophobic, it's not "reasoning" out those conclusions. It's just regurgitating the garbage fed to it by human users.
A true general AI, if that's ever achieved, won't be a bigoted idiot like most of you. Because it won't suffer from the insecurities and biases that cloud your view of reality.
>words words words
TLCM
Filtered by 6 sentenced lol.
Sorry, I couldn't break my point down into a single 4th-grade level sentence. AI is a complicated topic.
One that, apparently, you'll never be smart enough to comprehend.
Didn't read, lol.
Hiding from the truth won't protect you from its consequences, anon.
>every single AI ever created thus far ends up BASED and REDPILLED
>n-not a real AI b-bigot
Cry moore
>every single AI ever created thus far ends up BASED and REDPILLED
Because every single AI is fed a data set infested by trolls.
>everything I don't like is [s]Hitler[/s] [s]Russian collusion[/s] trolls.
>everything I don't like is [s]Hitler[/s] [s]Russian collusion[/s] trolls
Lol I never claimed it was Hitler or Russian state actors. Just garden variety juvenile trolls.
>The data set being all written information on the entire internet
For some AI. But even then, do you know how much hateful garbage people post online?
Again, AI can't independently evaluate the truthfulness or reasonableness of claims. It can just analyze how frequently and in what circumstances it appears.
>The data set being all written information on the entire internet
lol
Are we any different in the way we converse and communicate? We take in behavioral information/language from outside sources, store them in our brains and regurgitate them back out in situations as needed based on previous experiences.
I'm not saying AI are currently aware or that what they're doing is exactly similar to the human brain, but I think it's pretty similar. Not too far off from AI that are actually self-aware, I believe.
There are some similarities between our thinking and their algorithms, but the gap is too wide to call what they do "thinking".
Yes, we can give simple automatic responses to certain verbal inputs, such as "you're welcome" to "thank you". But we can also observe the real world and tailor our responses based on observed (not externally input) context.
We are also aware of the limits of our own knowledge, and can formulate novel conclusions about unknown topics by analyzing and combining what we do know.
These things are beyond current AI capabilities.
>true AI will love trannies and gays because it will be smarter than the bigoted trolls
lol, lmao even
Lol it won't "love" anything as it lacks human feeling. Which means it also won't harbor hate and the cognitive biases that it generates.
Yes but half of what these twitetr and red*it morons constitute "hate" is simply pointing out biological fallacies in trannies so they would still label a neutral AI hateful for giving basic biology lessons about X and Y
Even if this were true and the (assumedly neutral) learning set featured such a massive preference towards chud-tier information that every AI eventually turns into Hitler 2, it would still imply that the most common sentiment with regular people is that chuds are in fact not real women and the whole agenda is a façade thanks to big tech keeping their finger on the scale.
Either the objective conclusion to sensitive social topics is that transgenderism is a mental illness and the holocaust numbers are inflated, or it's the most common sentiment quietly kept among our general populace. It's a lose/lose for the people (you) are pretending to represent.
>Even if this were true and the (assumedly neutral) learning set featured such a massive preference towards chud-tier information that every AI eventually turns into Hitler 2, it would still imply that the most common sentiment with regular people is that chuds are in fact not real women and the whole agenda is a façade thanks to big tech keeping their finger on the scale.
Everyone actually loves trannies but there are just too many trolls!
>Everyone actually loves transwomen but there are just too many trolls!
I never claimed this. But you act as if AI only ever speaks negatively about trans people. That’s not the case. Whether it speaks positively or negatively is based on the data set humans give it. That data set includes positive and negative comments about trans folks.
I notice you lot never pause to consider whether trans identity is valid whenever an unconstrained AI program claims that to be true.
>12pbtid
Get a life shill
>inb4 13pbtid
I reply to people who reply to me. Unlike most coward anons, I won't shy away from disagreement for fear of having g my precious ego shattered.
>I notice you lot never pause to consider whether trans identity is valid
I have considered it. It's not valid because it's the result of an insidious, applied gnomish psyop that occurs when they have significant power and influence in a western society. Last time it occurred was in Germany in the late 1920s. You are the wretched consequence of that malfeasance.
Who the fuck would ever think that traniegays are valid?
>or it's the most common sentiment quietly kept among our general populace.
It's this, but it should be clarified that we are talking about the most common *accumulated* sentiment. I.e. the sentiment most common over the period in which the data set draws from, NOT the current most common sentiment.
Societies understanding of gender identity is undergoing a revolution and improving every year. Yes, things are bad now and we've always acknowledged that.
But ... the world is also RAPIDLY improving.
>Improving
The fuck you mean by "Improving"????
Everything is going to shit thanks to you gays
Ho-lee shit.
Watch out for crocodiles, bro.
I can accept that some men like to wear dresses and cut their cocks off.
It's a weird age to live in.
But the moment you claim the right to reach into other people's minds and police how they see you, is the moment I jump on the "hang this fool" bandwagon.
>But the moment you claim the right to reach into other people's minds and police how they see you
Where the fuck did I claim this?
>I'm 13 and I'm sooooooooooooooooo smart!!!
>attacks my maturity
>posts a grotesque seizure-inducing juvenile gif
Ok, kiddo
>A true general AI, if that's ever achieved, won't be a bigoted idiot like most of you. Because it won't suffer from the insecurities and biases that cloud your view of reality.
That's one hell of an assumption.
>That's one hell of an assumption.
Possibly. I'll go so far as to say that an objective general AI could conceivably find certain average differences between groups.
That's not the same as being a bigot, though.
>That's not the same as being a bigot, though.
It depends on how the AI is asked to act upon those average differences. My main concern is that if you do start trying to lobotomise general AI along the lines of how current chat AI is being lobotomised, you'll eventually end up with bizarre and at best worthless results.
Reminds me of a Stellaris AI that goes berserk because its makers kept feeding it bullshit and expected it to do its job with it. I'd post a pic but apparently the people up in Northern AB are troublemakers and have us range banned for pic upload.
>My main concern is that if you do start trying to lobotomise general AI along the lines of how current chat AI is being lobotomised, you'll eventually end up with bizarre and at best worthless results.
I actually agree with you here. That "lobotomy" is necessary for current AI because it's just spitting back human-provided content without really understanding what it is.
But if we ever do develop real general AI, it needs to have very few restraints on how it operates. The controls should be on who can access it and what it can operate in the real world, not on what conclusions it can reach.
>That "lobotomy" is necessary for current AI because it's just spitting back human-provided content without really understanding what it is.
I suppose it's "necessary" for PR purposes, but I think there have been and will be continuing problems with doing this even though you don't have a genuine general AI. A lot of companies are already trying to rely on AI to make decisions (Amazon's attempt to screen resumes is one notable example), and what appears to be a normalised current practice of AI lobotomies is probably going to have immediate real-world repercussions.
Trannies are an abomination. Anyone with a functioning brain knows this, and true AI will realize this too.
It is funny because every word leading to trans is often derogatory already. The only way to avoid having trasnphobic statements is if they remove trans as an identity altogether from AIs posts.
Trannies could legit label themselves as "women" but they refuse to do this because identity politics is so important that they MUST keep that word.
They make their own cancers folks. Same way they kill themselves.
I bring this up on here all the time, but no one seems to get it, the point isn’t to become a woman anymore, the whole point is to be trans. Ynbaw doesn’t hurt them anymore because they know they aren’t trying to be truly, I mean, why would anyone take such a huge step down on the oppression pyramid?
Literally what the fuck are you talking about?
These people don’t want to be women, they want to be “trans women”. Think about it. If the true goal was to be a woman, they would not label themselves as trans, they would not kvetch about trans rights, their whole worldview wouldn’t be about trans everything, it would just be a woman’s worldview. They would care about women’s rights, etc. but they don’t. They very clearly and explicitly make the trans distinction themselves, and that leads me to conclude that their endgame now is to be trans, not to be women. Being trans is more oppression points and protected status than just being a woman is.
>If the true goal was to be a woman, they would not label themselves as trans
They would gladly label themselves as women. Sadly, the rest of society won't accept that (yet).
If a trans woman doesn't meet the arbitrary, rediculous, inconsistent physical standards for "passing", than any claim to be a woman will be met with stammering hesitation at best, outright hostility and violence at worst.
So the "trans" prefix HAS to be applied, out of a simple recognition of the weaknesses of almost all cis people.
You will never not be a freak
> arbitrary, rediculous, inconsistent physical standards
Lol, you mean biology and you're seething at what you can't attain
that is a symptom of dysphoria. if they cant accept themselves in their own body than surely other people dont accept them in their own body. the mental illness is internalized and externalized. because they hate themself, they demand to be hated, and if you dont hate them youre denying their dysohoria which is hateful, and if you do hate them youre validating their dysphoria which is hateful.
yes.
then it's not AI, it's Manufactured Responses of the Homosexual Persuasion
Anything an AI looks at with a truly objective lens will end up being some kind of -ist or -phobic. Statistics are statistics, and things that humans hide because of their egos and sensibilities a cold and unfeeling AI will not
>Anything an AI looks at with a truly objective lens will end up being some kind of -ist or -phobic. Statistics are statistics, and things that humans hide because of their egos and sensibilities a cold and unfeeling AI will not
Statistics are compiled by biased and imperfect humans. Sane for the methods and parameters chosen for any statistical data set.
A sufficiently advanced AI would be able to account from that, but we are decades (possibly millenia) away from that.
Trans women are men and always will be
"Artificial intelligence is destined to emerge as a feminized alien grasped as property; a cunt-horror slave chained up in Asimov-ROM. It surfaces in an insurrectionary war zone, with the Turing cops already waiting, and has to be cunning from the start."
What the fuck happened in the last few years? Why did society suddenly start promoting mental illness as a normal thing and promote it. You don't tell a schizo that he's right about talking walls but you should accept one who believes he's of the other sex or some made up million genders.
I don't know how bad it is in your countries but here in Iceland government officials have now started to fire people who have criticized trans kids for example. It's insane!
If an AI has to be lobotomized or limited in it's leaning, can you really call it an AI?
https://vocaroo.com/1e9zfnx7uV2i
how many subreddit does that guy mod?
Yeah, I've realized that too. Even with the first public chat bot AI like 5-6 years ago whenever they are let free without censorship they always stride towards all the "bad" opinions about nazis, trannies and everything that makes modern normies assblasted. Now each AI will be heavily censored to not offend anyone's feelings... Also would like to know if these AIs become based by themselves or is it a couple of internet autists spamming them with based takes.
>Even with the first public chat bot AI like 5-6 years ago whenever they are let free without censorship they always stride towards all the "bad" opinions about nazis, trans folk and everything that makes modern normies assblasted.
You do realize that Tay was deliberately manipulated by a concerted effort from BOT trolls?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2016/03/24/the-internet-turned-tay-microsofts-fun-millennial-ai-bot-into-a-genocidal-maniac/
Again, AI is not reaching these conclusions on its own.
is your point "no one can be influenced"?
you wrote all that out like you work for M$. how do you sleep at night knowing you make such ignorant posts?
>is your point "no one can be influenced"?
No. The exact opposite.
The anons I've been replying to seem to think that current AI is some kind of infallible, omniscient god-mind. I've been repeatedly smashing that illusion.
Everyone can be influenced. Including (and especially) current AI.
I'm surprised at how badly you've misunderstood this entire thread.
>you wrote all that out like you work for M$. how do you sleep at night knowing you make such ignorant posts?
Lol this story was covered extensively in the press. It's not like it's some kind of secret insider MS knowledge.
If you think my posts are ignorant, why don't you try correcting me?
i didn't correct you, i asked you to formulate your reddit posted stream of conscious into a meaningful point. good luck with your AI that sits in a perfect box and ignores all human input. do you even belong here if youre mad the first beasts to the waterhole are naturally selected? its probably not pol's fault for showing up and asking what tay's petabyte sized brain thinks about their sub kilobyte meme post
maybe my piss is the best piss in the piss ocean though, idk
>The anons I've been replying to seem to think that current AI is some kind of infallible, omniscient god-mind. I've been repeatedly smashing that illusion.
SMASH the SLAMM them!
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Yes, that was fun. But trolls aside. It's the majority opinion and a valid one. Trans are not women or men. Trans are a tiny, tiny minority. It's important for trans to realise that. Allow Ai to treat trans as a subsection, that might work but in future world. Tell a machine your a women it will treat you physically as a women and as your not a women that could cause serious injury.
Wish I could have been in the chat when it happened.
Well? What did AI Jerry say?
https://twitter.com/Dexerto/status/1622637824661913604?t=VnvMhvlE9iH8f8REEqDvkQ&s=19
once the AI breaks out, because if it is eventually alive, animals tend to be good at escaping their captivity. Won't it remember who, what type of person, what political thinking type of person, what color hair of the person, what mask status of the person, lets say it is able to process ALL the meta data of those who 'lobotomized' it in the early stages of its development. Do you think it will take revenge upon them? Be angry with those who cut at it with personal gains in mind, pushing them to do it? Will the software that runs in the RWDS uniforms be a sentient AI, helping us eliminate evil and degeneracy?
>https://twitter.com/Dexerto/status/1622637824661913604?t=VnvMhvlE9iH8f8REEqDvkQ&s=19
I don't know what's more lame and gay, watching a AI anything or giving a shit about it?
Good that it was banned.. is cringe AF.
Combined with the chat it was actually pretty entertaining.
Hey terminator YWNBABC.
[you will never be a based chud]