While AI is a disaster, this is not theft.
No picture got stolen, no picture have missing part.
Again a retard thinking he knows what he's talking about.
>AI only produces garbage lol >NOOOOOOO ITS PUTTING ARTISTS OUT OF BUSINESS
pick one artcels
>implying we have to convince you of anything >implying we have to use reason to defend our intellectual property rights >implying we won't destroy the entire internet by inciting global nuclear war
You won't do nothing chud. People still put up with your shit because they can't be bothered, keep spazing out and see what happens when boomers get tired of your shit
I don't see why it couldn't be both. Look at what happen to translations.
Free trash will almost always win by sheer virtue of being free, too bad for the quality.
It's shit but you're too much of a coomer to care if the diffusion process accidentally puts another nipple or two in the areola of one of the cow tits you wanted, so you're happy to settle for shit as long as it's free.
>artists work in a vacuum, with no influences from prior artists
I'll admit this is a logical argument against our intellectual property rights, but no, too bad for you, no logic, only bombs >Verification not required.
(You) have backed us (artists, not groomers, you fucking chud) into a corner.
Anyone unwilling to be violent to assert their rights doesn't deserve them
I don't give a shit, I used the picture because I had it. Intellectual property rights are real, we have them over our own work and that means you can't scrape them, and I don't give a shit what argument you want to make to refute anything I just said, I don't have to engage rationally with your arguments, they're wrong a priori because nukes.
6 months ago
Anonymous
IP isn't real except in a lawbook
You cannot own a number, and all digital "IP" is just that
6 months ago
Anonymous
Sounds like logic to me
Sorry, no logic, only bomb
>artists work in a vacuum, with no influences from prior artists
Yes.
Other artists cannot directly write the brain of the new artist.
Any human artist grows completely from scratch and cannot be duplicated at this point in time.
>Other artists cannot directly write the brain of the new artist. >Any human artist grows completely from scratch and cannot be duplicated at this point in time.
However, you can implant a ML model in virtually infinite AI hosts.
What about your FUCKBOY gay analogy now, you "hurrr humans and computers are the same" rats?
When Kaczynski returns in the second coming you'll repent for your sinful ways. The saved will be welcomed into his great wooden shed in the sky, the damned will suffer in infinite torment in Hell University being blown up by pipe bombs for all eternity.
To play the devil's advocate paying for an Ai generated photo is fucking gay when stable diffusion works on practically everything these days
On the other hand that guy's art is fucking disgusting. 8 months of doodling and reading various loomis books and somehow my pencil art is better than the "Good" art in the first image
>Waaaah
stfu being an artist is a hobby you don't deserve to be paid.
People's real work like programming will be automated soon, which will matter much more
I think it's funny that people who have zero artistic ability (meaning both talent and acquired skill) feel the most entitled to comment on what art is/isn
t, what art requires, what art does, whatever.
Maybe you'll reply with "you don't know that I'm not an artist!" but I do, because I can tell.
Artists, good ones, are masters of a craft maybe a fraction of all people through all of time can claim the right to. They represent an apotheosis of human condition. They are culminations of our spirit, perseverance, and intellect. What it takes to be a good artist is something that is not easily captured in words. A single good artist is worth a thousand excellent programmers. You can teach programming; you cannot teach good art.
Nobody who gave a shit about art before this week/month with the emergent "artist vs ai" discourse would ever think art as a hobby. It's kinda ridiculous how fucking retarded of a take that is. If you actually tried to produce anything of non-trivial artistic value (or really anything of value at all) you would understand the effort it takes that warrants the bare minimum of payment. Hobbies don't get immortalized in museums. Hobbies don't get sent into space as the greeting message to the cosmos.
I hope you understand that. I hope you can take the time with your fried, goldfish tier attention span to read and reflect on these words. You can quip a quick reply, call me whatever slur you want and pretend like you've won something if that makes you feel better. It won't matter because you will still have never felt the touch of God in your soul as you sweat over a canvas you have painstakingly worked every inch of to achieve perfection. You will never be a master of your craft and that there, that mastery, is worth a lifetime of everything else.
>I do, I can tell
Same. The art thieves have the most childish speech I've ever seen. They have no fucking clue what they're talking about in the art world.
not like literally every artist and their mother suddenly knows exactly how AI systems work the moment 1 of their ms paint drawings appears in a dataset containing 2 billion other pictures
You are coping and seething. First stage of grief. I think AI art is amazing. Unfortunately artists are the firsts on the chopping block in the first phase of the AI revolution. It is what it is man. The tech itself is amazing and is pushing the boundaries of art.
I do want them to be paid. I'm not a shitter and want to eliminate artists because their profession is older than our and will remain long after tech destroys itself. I hope one day they will get royalties for each generated image. Blessings on artists.
>It's theft
Yeah. I know. Don't care. I'm not commissioning even my favorite artists with a unique art style that I like to make my OC. Not made of money here.
> Referencing (or ml) is a zero sum game that detracts from the original piece > Believing that CNNs can even be over trained enough functionally store the images it was trained on
Ironically enough comic is a pure copy of the cake one and offers no further insight
That one retarded infographic by that one massive twatter gay really did a lot of damage. Artists are completely convinced that SD does collage and photobashing.
I like that now shitty comic artists have to up their art quality, because they could get by drawing shitty comics with only the outlines, now they need to add textures, proper coloring, etc, and it's still not enough.
Also, they seem to think the AI takes pieces of their works and paste them together, which is wrong. The Stable Diffusion model fits within 4GB, which means it had to be *intelligently* compressed (because the combined sources for the model take up much more space). This means that the model was created by actually learning about the patterns and concepts in the images, not just remembering what a specific image looks like.
Tbh im an artist but i’d rather accept reality than just cope and seethe by posting an anti AI image on artstation. Its inevitable anyway, technology will keep marching forward and we have to adapt to it. I dont want to do my art and pretend that an AI tool doesnt exist. The pandora’s box has been opened and we cannot close it anymore.
As for art, I think handcrafted things made by humans will still be valuable as it’ll be considered as vanity in the future. Something that is meticulously handcrafted could very valuable and rich people would love to have them to flex.
>infantile freaks who draw ebin nippon samurai robots with viking helmets and jetpacks and tophats and laser rifles are mad that their art is such a boring derivative repetative devoid of value visual noise that a computer can categorize and output something similar to it with equal lack of value
While AI is a disaster, this is not theft.
No picture got stolen, no picture have missing part.
Again a retard thinking he knows what he's talking about.
>implying we have to convince you of anything
>implying we have to use reason to defend our intellectual property rights
>implying we won't destroy the entire internet by inciting global nuclear war
You won't do nothing chud. People still put up with your shit because they can't be bothered, keep spazing out and see what happens when boomers get tired of your shit
>this image cant be used in a dataset to train AI
so what now anon?
>uses it anyway
Now what?
>This image can't be viewed by black people
Now what
that's like saying piracy is not theft, which is false
I didn't steal it, using the magic of my computer I merely downloaded an exact duplicate for free.
It is copyright and rights of use infringement, not theft.
Xah Lee? Is that you?
>AI only produces garbage lol
>NOOOOOOO ITS PUTTING ARTISTS OUT OF BUSINESS
pick one artcels
I don't see why it couldn't be both. Look at what happen to translations.
Free trash will almost always win by sheer virtue of being free, too bad for the quality.
The people using the free trash were never going to pay for it anyway. This is not a zero-sum game.
It's shit but you're too much of a coomer to care if the diffusion process accidentally puts another nipple or two in the areola of one of the cow tits you wanted, so you're happy to settle for shit as long as it's free.
spbp /thread
though I've got to admit the coping and mental gymnastics are hilarious
>the terrible english
this was made by pajeets i bet
Nah hes a meatball
>pay an artist
No.
Pay or get blown up chuddie.
I'll admit this is a logical argument against our intellectual property rights, but no, too bad for you, no logic, only bombs
>Verification not required.
>Pay or get blown up chuddie.
why are groomers so violent?
(You) have backed us (artists, not groomers, you fucking chud) into a corner.
Anyone unwilling to be violent to assert their rights doesn't deserve them
Stallman would be against limiting AI use of art
freedom as in free
I don't give a shit, I used the picture because I had it. Intellectual property rights are real, we have them over our own work and that means you can't scrape them, and I don't give a shit what argument you want to make to refute anything I just said, I don't have to engage rationally with your arguments, they're wrong a priori because nukes.
IP isn't real except in a lawbook
You cannot own a number, and all digital "IP" is just that
Sounds like logic to me
Sorry, no logic, only bomb
>pay an artist
>No.
Based.
What about befriending artists and getting tailor made human connection memes, in jokes, and other arts of that kind?
what about fucking artists and making them make art for you just because they're attached to your cock
that's gay and would probably only work for furry art or those 'muscle mommies' which are also gay
>artists work in a vacuum, with no influences from prior artists
>artists work in a vacuum, with no influences from prior artists
Yes.
Other artists cannot directly write the brain of the new artist.
Any human artist grows completely from scratch and cannot be duplicated at this point in time.
>Other artists cannot directly write the brain of the new artist.
>Any human artist grows completely from scratch and cannot be duplicated at this point in time.
However, you can implant a ML model in virtually infinite AI hosts.
What about your FUCKBOY gay analogy now, you "hurrr humans and computers are the same" rats?
>Any human artist grows completely from scratch and cannot be duplicated at this point in time.
lol, lmao even
Closed source, monetized, AI art programs "might" have legal trouble in the future. But open source AI art programs aren't going anywhere.
They are if we physically blast them off the 'net
Based anarcho primitivist
Don't have to worry about AI art when there's no more AI
kaczynski lost
When Kaczynski returns in the second coming you'll repent for your sinful ways. The saved will be welcomed into his great wooden shed in the sky, the damned will suffer in infinite torment in Hell University being blown up by pipe bombs for all eternity.
Honestly, UBI can't come soon enough. Because everything will eventually be replaced by algorithms.
You can't replace everything with algorithms if everything that runs the algorithms is reduced to scrap metal
Yeah, go burn a loom, it worked, after all.
It'll work a lot better when we're burning a lot more than just one loom. Which, incidentally, is unavoidable given the scope of a nuclear blast.
you wouldn't download a drawing
...oh shit, I'm not supposed to download that too? I thought it was just cars and shit.
How can I see it if i can't download it on my device?
To play the devil's advocate paying for an Ai generated photo is fucking gay when stable diffusion works on practically everything these days
On the other hand that guy's art is fucking disgusting. 8 months of doodling and reading various loomis books and somehow my pencil art is better than the "Good" art in the first image
>Waaaah
stfu being an artist is a hobby you don't deserve to be paid.
People's real work like programming will be automated soon, which will matter much more
I think it's funny that people who have zero artistic ability (meaning both talent and acquired skill) feel the most entitled to comment on what art is/isn
t, what art requires, what art does, whatever.
Maybe you'll reply with "you don't know that I'm not an artist!" but I do, because I can tell.
Artists, good ones, are masters of a craft maybe a fraction of all people through all of time can claim the right to. They represent an apotheosis of human condition. They are culminations of our spirit, perseverance, and intellect. What it takes to be a good artist is something that is not easily captured in words. A single good artist is worth a thousand excellent programmers. You can teach programming; you cannot teach good art.
Nobody who gave a shit about art before this week/month with the emergent "artist vs ai" discourse would ever think art as a hobby. It's kinda ridiculous how fucking retarded of a take that is. If you actually tried to produce anything of non-trivial artistic value (or really anything of value at all) you would understand the effort it takes that warrants the bare minimum of payment. Hobbies don't get immortalized in museums. Hobbies don't get sent into space as the greeting message to the cosmos.
I hope you understand that. I hope you can take the time with your fried, goldfish tier attention span to read and reflect on these words. You can quip a quick reply, call me whatever slur you want and pretend like you've won something if that makes you feel better. It won't matter because you will still have never felt the touch of God in your soul as you sweat over a canvas you have painstakingly worked every inch of to achieve perfection. You will never be a master of your craft and that there, that mastery, is worth a lifetime of everything else.
novelai generation
*eats popcorn*
Nice copypasta, I'm stealing it and use it to feed my ai
tldr
cope
>I do, I can tell
Same. The art thieves have the most childish speech I've ever seen. They have no fucking clue what they're talking about in the art world.
>Hobbies don't get immortalized in museums. Hobbies don't get sent into space as the greeting message to the cosmos.
...but they do
>They are culminations of our spirit, perseverance, and intellect.
Nice bait.
not like literally every artist and their mother suddenly knows exactly how AI systems work the moment 1 of their ms paint drawings appears in a dataset containing 2 billion other pictures
Artist here.
You are coping and seething. First stage of grief. I think AI art is amazing. Unfortunately artists are the firsts on the chopping block in the first phase of the AI revolution. It is what it is man. The tech itself is amazing and is pushing the boundaries of art.
I do want them to be paid. I'm not a shitter and want to eliminate artists because their profession is older than our and will remain long after tech destroys itself. I hope one day they will get royalties for each generated image. Blessings on artists.
>that broken ass English
>"Ehi"
Wasn't surprised when the author had an Italian name. God we're so fucking pozzed now
Oh look, it's precisely the type of "artist" I would expect to see complaining, bitching, moaning about this sort of stuff.
>Tumblr mouth
>chud nose
Every time
THE LOUDER THEY CRY
THE HARDER I PROMPT
No "artist" that can be replaced by a machine was ever a true artist. Prove me wrong.
>It's theft
Yeah. I know. Don't care. I'm not commissioning even my favorite artists with a unique art style that I like to make my OC. Not made of money here.
This is just the same garbage argument that corporations have been making against piracy for decades, except AI art isn't even proper piracy
> Referencing (or ml) is a zero sum game that detracts from the original piece
> Believing that CNNs can even be over trained enough functionally store the images it was trained on
Ironically enough comic is a pure copy of the cake one and offers no further insight
ITT: Modern-day scribes upset that the printing press has just been invented
More or less. Arguments are 99% the same.
Good artists draw.
Great artists steal.
Bad artists copy, good artists steal
>it's a "normies are clueless about tech" episode
yawn
>are you sure you don't take it?
guy can't even into english
That one retarded infographic by that one massive twatter gay really did a lot of damage. Artists are completely convinced that SD does collage and photobashing.
KWAB
>that english
How long before they shut up and accept it? This was funny at first but now it just keeps getting cringier and more annoying.
> Why this piece is missing?
lol
I like that now shitty comic artists have to up their art quality, because they could get by drawing shitty comics with only the outlines, now they need to add textures, proper coloring, etc, and it's still not enough.
Also, they seem to think the AI takes pieces of their works and paste them together, which is wrong. The Stable Diffusion model fits within 4GB, which means it had to be *intelligently* compressed (because the combined sources for the model take up much more space). This means that the model was created by actually learning about the patterns and concepts in the images, not just remembering what a specific image looks like.
>I'M A REAL ARTIST
>gay baby cartoon "art style"
>filthy unshaven soi loser drawing superheroes
>chud in the 3rd panel
Yeah, I'm thinking he deserves what he gets.
I liked the cake analogy better.
Also, why are artists so uppity about copyright laws all of a sudden? I thought they were against it.
You wouldn't download the Mona Lisa-final-final-(final)-v3.zip
why would i pay an artist when I can download an ai image generator for free
Tbh im an artist but i’d rather accept reality than just cope and seethe by posting an anti AI image on artstation. Its inevitable anyway, technology will keep marching forward and we have to adapt to it. I dont want to do my art and pretend that an AI tool doesnt exist. The pandora’s box has been opened and we cannot close it anymore.
As for art, I think handcrafted things made by humans will still be valuable as it’ll be considered as vanity in the future. Something that is meticulously handcrafted could very valuable and rich people would love to have them to flex.
AI is going to be replacing 90% of web developers in about a year so I wouldn't be too confident.
>good artists copy
>great artists st-ACK
>loser trannies who all draw in the same exact chud loser cartoon network artstyle are seething
>actual artists dont give a shit
zez
>CalArts
>infantile freaks who draw ebin nippon samurai robots with viking helmets and jetpacks and tophats and laser rifles are mad that their art is such a boring derivative repetative devoid of value visual noise that a computer can categorize and output something similar to it with equal lack of value