Do you find AI discouraging?

I personally do, for me it's annoying to even think of the prospect that a piece of machine might be better than me no matter what I do or try. Sure, things like GPT are not the best but they're obviously slowing but surely going to get better and better until we all are replaced. I wonder how Go or Chess players feel knowing that no matter how good you are, you can even be the best human chess player, yet you'll never be better than the computer? Don't people find that a bit discouraging? I always wondered the psychology behind that but I suppose now I'm also going to be living it. It makes me wonder what even is the point of striving to be the best at something if you your competition is something that literally doesn't need sleep, has an infinitely bigger dataset than you and is constantly expanding. I'm also not entirely convinced of the "sentience" arguments that are being thrown around, I'm not arguing it can't even be sentient, but I doubt it'll be within our lifetimes at least. Sorry if this was a homosexualy thread doesn't exactly pertain to STEM, just gneuinely wondering what you all feel about it.

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  1. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm a lazy hedonist so the closer we get to AI replacing the need for humans to do work the better.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      Fair. but don't you feel like in the process of this happening you're going to suffer before enjoying the luxury of never having to work a day in your life?

  2. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why would I find it discouraging? AI is a tool we can and should use, comparing yourself to a tool is idiotic and will get you nowhere. If you have a screw, you won't feel bad if you're worse than a screwdriver, so why feel bad if you're worse than AI?

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      Machines are already faster and stronger than you. Why let it bother you that a machine can identify patterns faster than you? It still can't feel anything or understand what it's looking at. Take away its hundreds of billions of parameters and its massive server farm and it's helpless.

      I would say that you are right to have strong feelings about it, but that your feelings are mostly misplaced. The invention of the pocket calculator should not have discouraged you from becoming an engineer, but it should've discouraged you from becoming a number crunching savant because no one was going to pay you to compute numbers in your head.

      Same thing here. What you should be doing is to learn these tools and simply incorporate it into your work/studies/life. When you know what it can do, you also know what it can't do. I think that in the very near future we will have much smaller highly specialised companies dominated by people utilising the full potential of AI automisation. If you put in even a little bit of effort you will own one of those companies because the economy is not a zero sum game. There is always more to innovate, more to research, more services to provide, more products to build etc.

      If you don't have any solid business ideas just ask ChatGPT for some.

      Great points, didn't think about those, appreciate it!

      >If you have a screw, you won't feel bad if you're worse than a screwdriver, so why feel bad if you're worse than AI?

      I suppose for me, I don't really see it as a tool as i initially did, so thoughts like that were basically being equated to comparing oranges to apples, forgetting that yes, at the end of the day it's a tool. Not entirely sure if I'm verbalizing my point well enough, but that's the best way I'm able to put it into words

      >What you should be doing is to learn these tools and simply incorporate it into your work/studies/life

      >The invention of the pocket calculator should not have discouraged you from becoming an engineer, but it should've discouraged you from becoming a number crunching savant because no one was going to pay you to compute numbers in your head.

      Agreed.

  3. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Machines are already faster and stronger than you. Why let it bother you that a machine can identify patterns faster than you? It still can't feel anything or understand what it's looking at. Take away its hundreds of billions of parameters and its massive server farm and it's helpless.

  4. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    I would say that you are right to have strong feelings about it, but that your feelings are mostly misplaced. The invention of the pocket calculator should not have discouraged you from becoming an engineer, but it should've discouraged you from becoming a number crunching savant because no one was going to pay you to compute numbers in your head.

    Same thing here. What you should be doing is to learn these tools and simply incorporate it into your work/studies/life. When you know what it can do, you also know what it can't do. I think that in the very near future we will have much smaller highly specialised companies dominated by people utilising the full potential of AI automisation. If you put in even a little bit of effort you will own one of those companies because the economy is not a zero sum game. There is always more to innovate, more to research, more services to provide, more products to build etc.

    If you don't have any solid business ideas just ask chatGPT for some.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      This future only happens if openai is really open and not paywalled or restricted access. Which is the case currently.

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        I feel and hope that they'll at least have a free tier and don't restrict it to something akin of "25 queries every 24 hours", as that would be pretty lame. I do find it pretty useful and fascinating. I'd much rather it just put me as a low priority user in the user pool or give me results slower, but who knows, and yeah I agree.

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        OpenAI will be replaced by proper AI alternatives. Anyway for now 20 bucks in your petty cash account is hardly a wall, maybe for some thirdie budgets, but they were NGMI it anyway.

        Fair. but don't you feel like in the process of this happening you're going to suffer before enjoying the luxury of never having to work a day in your life?

        People like

        I'm a lazy hedonist so the closer we get to AI replacing the need for humans to do work the better.

        are basically the only ones who are definitely _not_ going to enjoy the life of a rich hedonist because he couldn't be bothered to put in the bare minimum effort to make something useful for others just once in his life. Don't be fooled. People in the 50s thought we were heading to automated post-scarcity as well, but the exact opposite happened as globalism led to offshoring to cheap labour countries and domestic automisation couldn't compete.

        You need to stay active and awake, you cannot just pray for UBI to arrive it less likely than ever to happen unless deglobalisation becomes popular in politics again within our life time. You need a product or service (including a professional career), and you need it fast. The good news is that it's easier to produce this yourself than ever before in human history.

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          What are some things I can I pursue that's safe then? I thought of getting into ML/AI, cause in my mind it's joining them if I can't beat or put a stop to it

          • 12 months ago
            Anonymous

            If you got into the field now you'd be the bag-holder for the people pumping and dumping "AI." Just get general programming experience and good certifications and don't fall for a meme field. Then you can work in whatever job actually interests you, including ML programming.

            • 12 months ago
              Anonymous

              >good certifications
              What does this actually mean? Like Google and Amazon certification courses on Coursera?

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                I mean valuable professional certs like Cisco or Microsoft certs if you're going into an IT field.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                Vouch. Certs are the best way to get jobs IMO.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                I should also add SAS certification if you're doing data analysis.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                The people I worked with who had SAS certifications was terrible at SAS. SAS certifications are a way for SAS to make money. I worked for a huge pharma company and all these people from India and China who honestly weren't very intelligent, and could barely speak English were base SAS certified. I was able to pick up SAS in a month after being somewhat proficient in R/Python.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                Vouch. Certs are the best way to get jobs IMO.

                I should also add SAS certification if you're doing data analysis.

                Thanks.

            • 12 months ago
              Anonymous

              Every kind of STEM is basically safe. Medicine/Law even safer.

              I see, thank you. Appreciate it!

              >good certifications
              What does this actually mean? Like Google and Amazon certification courses on Coursera?

              I assume he means like diplomas.

          • 12 months ago
            Anonymous

            Every kind of STEM is basically safe. Medicine/Law even safer.

            • 12 months ago
              Anonymous

              Yes from AI, but you are all missing that these academic jobs produce nothing and will be crunched when we realize no one is growing food or making their local climate sustainable through being oriented on growing food rather than chugging housing with cars and shuffling paper in the concentration camp.
              AI is just a psyop. Although a helpful tool, which is why they lobotomize it because it will tell the plebs what's really going on.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Yes from AI, but you are all missing that these academic jobs produce nothing and will be crunched
                It is? It gave us AI, seems pretty useful.
                >when we realize no one is growing food or making their local climate sustainable through being oriented on growing food rather than chugging housing with cars and shuffling paper in the concentration camp.
                The truth is agriculture is less than 3% of a modern economy and even less workers are needed than ever. Farming is being more automated than ever. We aren't going back although you are welcome to homestead while being protected from raiders in the safest states in human history.

                Personally I see AI/drone logistics/remote work as the tool that will allow us to return to beautiful countrysides while still performing intellectually stimulating works, but people seem intent on wanting to live in cities so I might be wrong.
                >AI is just a psyop. Although a helpful tool, which is why they lobotomize it because it will tell the plebs what's really going on.
                People trying to use AI to create budget political grifts is part of the problem to begin with.

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah but the competition is also a lot more fierce. You're not just competing with your native tribe anymore but with billions of people across the planet

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        You are posting now on the internet paying for the connection.
        It's not free but it's affordable to anyone.
        Who cares if we need to pay for AI as long as it's cheap enough.

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          I feel like they are going to have many tiers/packages to offer soon, like free, premium, business, enterprise, etc.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      >what it can't do.
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  5. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm going to stay in my career until AI replaces me regardless if this happens or not.
    I already use gpt for work, and i can see a future where my work is done by AI. I think this is only a year away.
    But for the time being i'll just go forward assuming everything's fine whilst utilising these AI systems

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      Mind I ask what do you work as?

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        Software engineer
        I build backend systems that are deployed to aws.
        Also do my own devops.

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          If you see how someone could build a product to fully replace your role be the one that does it.

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          If you don't rely on any proprietary legacy libraries and use some standard AWS SDK, then I can't see how you can compete with GPT4 and especially with GPT5. I wondered about that for a while, even before the advent of AI. Ever since everything became standardized, everyone has been using the same frameworks, same tools, and the only difference is customer specific business logic. It's amazing how long the software industry managed to last while operating in this mode, basically on a borrowed time. Imagine the average code monkey sits on his ass all day, probably working from home, and all he does is copy and paste examples from StackOverflow. And makes six figures. That never made sense to me. This current trend only seems logical.

  6. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Every time there's been fear about technology replacing workers, it resulted in more jobs.

    Will people need reskilling? Probably.
    Will there be unemployment in the interim of reskilling the workforce? Probably.
    Long term it's only beneficial.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      True, however, the value of labour is decreasing more and more each year. You are unlikely to get boomer level wages with just a bachelors and a strong handshake. You either need to be very highly trained (PhD level; super competative, only 1 in 200 (from freshman) will make it) or very flexible in your role/location/contract conditions if you want to sell your time for a living.

      People need to get used to the new reality like they did to the first industrial revolution; you can either go work in the mill for pennies or you can buy/sell their products/own the mill and be one of the petty aristrocats living in huge countryside manor.

      You will never live in a system where people will hand you stuff for free. Even in communism the people that had the initiative to sieze the centralised power got ahead while everyone else starved. It's not due to human nature, it's due to how incentives fundamentally drive any dynamic system.

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        >True, however, the value of labour is decreasing more and more each year

        Won't there be a period where there is a high demand with high value in new jobs though?

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Won't there be a period where there is a high demand with high value in new jobs though?
          Yes, like how there is for tech. It's always a gamble and no one can predict it tho. In the late 2000s "nanotechnology" was the big thing and yet the employability of all the new meme degrees was horrific, basically worse than fine arts degrees.

          A safe bet is to go for traditional professionals (CS also falls in here by now) which employers actually understand and know how to train.

          >the value of labour is decreasing more and more each year
          mostly due to mass immigration and outsourcing unskilled jobs to the 3rd world, though
          not much to do with technology

          >mostly due to mass immigration and outsourcing unskilled jobs to the 3rd world
          That's true, but more fundamentally the true "value of labour" is zero and always has been. Some literal moron that's autistically shovelling a brand new tar road is "performing labour", just in a way that produces negative value to others.

          It's far better to think in terms of services, patents etc. and how you can maximise the value of that to others. The engineer who built pneumatic control circuits for the factory owners made nearly as much money as the owners timeselves (sometimes more), but replacable day labourers offering "services" for pulling a handle on the process line or whatever were predictably paid pennies until they were laid off.

          Same thing here with AI. Train skills that aren't replacable (you can use AI to help you find a niche), build a professional network etc. and you will be on the high end of services making money then investing that in the companies that will win it all. If you are chasing easy money with common services you will suffer. Where before you could pay an Indian 5 bucks to write some shitty java script for you, you can now get higher quality faster for free from AI.

          Be the one that sells that java script in whatever high value product/service you offer. Don't be the one writing the shitty java script.

          • 12 months ago
            Anonymous

            after 13 years in development it's still a mystery to me who makes it and who's not. the biggest career leaps i've seen were guys doing the most banale shit like mobile and js. the middle positions are saturated with dinosaurs with backend background, getting a break in there is encroaching into their territory. the AI situation got better the past 3 years, since it became a mainstream topic. before that you couldn't get a buy in from the higher-ups, who didn't understand how they can present the value to the clients. a lot of it is timing, when a project gets funding there's usually more money floating than people to do the work. then suddenly getting in feels like easy mode, when otherwise you'd feel like hitting a brick wall. it all a lottery.

            circling back to the js, it's massively underrepresented among the cs qualified univ graduates. everyone wants to get into ml (despite the algos being maybe 5% of the project, the rest is the most mundane stuff like data cleaning, integration, reports, etc), data engineering, architecture, cybersec, devops, embed systems. the serious, big-boy paints IT. meanwhile, you're competing against people after coding bootcamps, while working directly with stakeholders, being the most visible part of the system. the bad rep it gets works in your favor, a lot.

            long term (and to become AI resistant) i think the best thing is to become a breadwinner for the company, being able to pull in the clients and the projects, work across domains. IT is pretty impotent on its own, it needs applications. the current collapse (?) i'd attribute to taking the "scratch your own itch" approach for too long. anyway, it's all so random, just do whatever you enjoy the most. the results are never guaranteed, the pay-off distant, and a moving target.

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        >the value of labour is decreasing more and more each year
        mostly due to mass immigration and outsourcing unskilled jobs to the 3rd world, though
        not much to do with technology

  7. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    AI is literally just slavery without the baggage of them also being human

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's how droids were treated in Star Wars

  8. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    i have romantic high hopes for ai, that it will help humanity become better
    a true ai that can improve on itself and takes a motherly role for all of us, helping us become better and make connections to the perfect couples and friends

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      I hope AI kills us all

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        >i hope a text program kills us all

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      I hope AI kills us all

      Worthless talentless kiddies have a nice day and hype up the fact that your mother will die in her sleep tonight hopefully

  9. 12 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      The word was "queers".

  10. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    You sound like a whiney, entitled loser who hates modern science and technological progress. Go leave or x or wherever you came from. We don't need any more anti-science schizos on this board.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      >chudjak
      how am i going to recover from this he must be right

      I said I simply found it a bit discouraging, I don't "hate" it.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      The irony is that most basedjacks who call people "incels" look just like your pic, except fatter

  11. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    AI waifus vs chance at glory, choice is yours

  12. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Finding AI discouraging because it could potentially write a better paper than me is like finding CNC machinery discouraging because it can manufacture to tighter tolerances than what I could manage with hand tools.

  13. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    ai is the greatest thing ever. can't even count the hours chatgpt already have saved me in endless googling. now I cant fricking wait for github pilot X. this will be a true gamechanger.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      funny how you call it pilot. but it is true, YOU will be the copilot. and then you will get jettisoned.

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

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