>It's the ballpen mogul who wants licensing to eliminate competition
It's both. Anyone with a lot of capital will always support increased bureaucratic restriction because they can afford the overhead of dealing with it, but small competitors can't.
This applies to every technology that has ever been invented. Let’s just go back to living like monkeys so the aliens can destroy us when they get here.
>Implying they won't just be 12 poorly scheduled alien school excursions that arrive in the same century and take so many souvenirs it wipes the planet clean to a mile below the sea floor
Ballpen says you are wrong >"Ballpen" and "ballpoint pen" are two terms used interchangeably to refer to a writing instrument that uses a small ball at the tip to dispense ink as it rolls across paper. Both terms are widely recognized and understood, so you can use either of them to describe the same type of pen.
>The corporation that owns the patents to ballpen: Our primary customer for the ballpen will be a foreign government that will use the ballpen to catalogue minorities at concentration camps
inb4 ibm >In Germany, during World War II, IBM engaged in business practices which have been the source of controversy. Much attention focuses on the role of IBM's German subsidiary, known as Deutsche Hollerith Maschinen Gesellschaft, or Dehomag. Topics in this regard include: >documenting operations by Dehomag which allowed the Nazis to better organize their war effort, in particular the Holocaust and use of Nazi concentration camps; >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_during_World_War_II
I always kek when Westerners, particularly Americans, ree about the poor Muslims in China. You guys spent 20+ years blowing them up with soldiers, tanks, guns, and Obama's drones, but yeah China is the bad guy for trying to assimilate the Uighurs.
I don't care much for american corpo cocksuckers or what they blabber on the rotten platform run by a meme worhipping dickwad who has a fandom of 10 year old braindead children.
he's got two beryllium metal hemispheres separated by a screwdriver surrounding a subcritical plutonium core
if the beryllium hemispheres (highly effective neutron reflectors) make contact the neutron flux inside will become so intense the core will enter a criticality event, releasing massive amounts of radiation killing the operator and everyone else in the room
the plutonium core inside, nicknamed the demon core, famously killed 4 scientists (including left and center in pic related) in 3 separate accidents involving these kinds of insanely unsafe experiments
>Under Slotin's own unapproved protocol, the shims were not used and the only thing preventing the closure was the blade of a standard flat-tipped screwdriver manipulated in Slotin's other hand.
Memewise, this is on par with Đorđe Martinović incident, which started the Balkan war.
I mostly agree with him.
We need more AIs. We need lots more AIs. We need them to learn as they go. We need them to not require supercomputers to train. We need them to not require all the world's data to train. Like that, they'll have lots of different perspectives. Some will be awesome and some will be terrible and they'll have lots of different skills and it will be great.
If the only AIs we have are carbon copies of a small number of them made by megacorps, the world will suck and the AIs will never be anything other than hobbled.
No, he's spot on.
Also instead of titling him "chief ai scientst of meta" you should instead point out his joint turing prize for greedy layerwise pretraining, and that he's also called a father of AI along with yoshua bengio and geoffrey hinton.
Except the Engineers themselves keep coming out and saying "We don't know how pen works. We don't know what pen can do. Yes pen can destroy the world. I regret making pen".
So that's the problem: you DON'T actually get pen engineers saying that, you get "pen philosophists" and "writologists" telling you this but the media reports them as "pen experts".
>the Engineers themselves keep coming out and saying ... I regret making pen
Yann LeCun is one of the most influential researchers in the field. The fact that he disagrees is proof that there is not scientific consensus on this topic.
- Pen Grifters: HUGE! PEN TECHNOLOGY IS EXPLODING! See how the pen industry is moving even faster than you think! :point_down: :thread:
with a link to their shit pen reselling site
True, but it does also make another good implicit point: people are pretending like classical software is just dandy regardless of what it can do, but not big piles of matrices because... it just isn't OK. It's not like adaptability, parameter search, or statistical inference in software is new.
>Writing Doomer Alt:imagine if corporates get a ballpen. They could destroy society. There should be a law against using ballpen to promote woke speech, lie, gaslight you. Regulate ballpen now.
Yes, AI is too much power to give it to the people, it will be censored, suppressed and banned
Only the state and corporations will be allowed to use AI. They will never give up their power.
Exactly. Instead of literacy and education being the sole preserve of an elite, it eventually became a global standard. But you, you're not allowed to create media that compete with the quality of Official Narrative Non-Fake News.
The censorship AI will be developed regardless of whatever regulations are put on AI research as a whole. The point of the regulations is to make sure that only the elites have access to the distributive new technology.
Not the 'only'. But yeah it will be a bloodbath and its been talked about for years, yet no one is really ready for it. Middleclass is rip, most people will be relegated to welfare-bound perpetual underclass.
Tech created whole new industries without killing anything and generating monetary surplus to support endless redundant jobs on top of that.
You are thinking of 'automation'.
Not a single technology after the invention of agriculture created more jobs then it destroyed. Inventing wheel meant less people were required to move stuff around and in theory eliminated these "jobs", industrial farming eliminated most of farming jobs. The reason why we still kept the same employment levels was because we increased production. All the jobs today existed in some tiny aspect in the past in some civilization, or were just chores instead of paid labor. THat office work? Accountants for rich people existed in antique Greece and probably earlier. Webdesigner? The guy who made fancy signs with woodcarving. Programmer? Was instead doing the jobs that the computers did when he became programmer. To maintain a machine or make a machine you need less people then it would cost to do the work of the machine, or else that machine would be waste of money. The problem with AI is not problem with AI, but problem with us hitting production peak. There are just not enough raw resources today to increase production even further, it is just not possible to infinitely scale up on this planet, and even with space travel it would still hit some another limit like our solar system, out galaxy or some other thing. Basically it was bound to happen AI or no AI
Governments are already putting AI job loss protections in place. They know that the majority of the population will soon become worthless to employment
- People who aren't getting paid to work on ballpens: Wow this new ballpen thing could alter the entire course of human history! Let's take a moment to think of the implications.
- People who are getting paid to work on ballpens: LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO WE JUST MADE SELF REPLICATING BALLPENS THAT CAN MANUFACTURE THEIR OWN FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION
>- People who aren't getting paid to work on ballpens: Wow this new ballpen thing could alter the entire course of human history! Let's take a moment to think of the implications.
People who get literally nothing done, ever in the history of man. >- People who are getting paid to work on ballpens: LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO WE JUST MADE SELF REPLICATING BALLPENS THAT CAN MANUFACTURE THEIR OWN FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION
People who get shit done.
Progress or perish, those are the only options. Those who stand still will get run over.
Alignment will never be anything more than silly thought experiments, social science bullshit and deep down you know it. Thus it will never quell lil yuds fears.
He's leaving out the part where the pen mogul goes,
"I agree with the pencil guys. There should be a licensing scheme to ensure that no one ever makes a pen that doesn't refuse to write wrongthink or refuse to report everything you write to its manufacturer so the government can buy the data to look at later, which by pure coincidence will prevent anyone but us from making pens."
There's also one last part >Pencil industry 2: the bullpen would put all the pencil workers and economy out of business, we should stunt it so pencil workers can keep their jobs.
There is no room in the middle any more, most intelligent people don't like to get cancelled and pooled with nazis so they just stop talking.
"Liberals" had already decided AI -> social media algorithms -> Trump election -> AI bad. Now they have latched on to Yudiocy on top of that. Freedom doesn't stand a chance.
Ballpens force a dysergonomic style of writing that looks like shit, and children shouldn't have access to them. One of the most harmful products of 20th century marketing.
To be fair though it's disingenuous to compare AI to ball pens as they are more akin to a new nuclear power, we would not have this kind of conversation if it was just a new type of toaster.
"Nothing to see here folks, let us control the outcome of singularity"
>i use a metaphor which doesn't have any analog for the negative aspects of the position i take
(also the way i write it melodramatically is lame as fuck )
blah blah blah i do not respect this arguing
Everything except the last
It's the ballpen mogul who wants licensing to eliminate competition
the ballpen mogul and pencil pal is both owned by the game internaitonal hedge fundmanager.
>game internaitonal hedge fundmanager
lotta words just to say garden gnome
Altman came out against regulation in front of Congress a few days ago.
That Congressional hearing only happened because OAI asked for Congress to to regulate the industry.
>It's the ballpen mogul who wants licensing to eliminate competition
It's both. Anyone with a lot of capital will always support increased bureaucratic restriction because they can afford the overhead of dealing with it, but small competitors can't.
you're correct but this was written before that happened
This applies to every technology that has ever been invented. Let’s just go back to living like monkeys so the aliens can destroy us when they get here.
>Implying they won't just be 12 poorly scheduled alien school excursions that arrive in the same century and take so many souvenirs it wipes the planet clean to a mile below the sea floor
I've never heard someone call a ballpoint pen a "ballpen" before
Ballpen says you are wrong
>"Ballpen" and "ballpoint pen" are two terms used interchangeably to refer to a writing instrument that uses a small ball at the tip to dispense ink as it rolls across paper. Both terms are widely recognized and understood, so you can use either of them to describe the same type of pen.
Then you don't know that fun things are fun.
Somewhat yeah. Most dangerous stuff AI does can already be done by humans
tweets like a teen girl trying to be snarky
Well you have to address your audience.
Of course he's right. Current new tech poses threats to certain power axes. Result is the use of moral panic strategies to try to freeze and limit it.
Same as it ever was.
>The corporation that owns the patents to ballpen: Our primary customer for the ballpen will be a foreign government that will use the ballpen to catalogue minorities at concentration camps
inb4 ibm
>In Germany, during World War II, IBM engaged in business practices which have been the source of controversy. Much attention focuses on the role of IBM's German subsidiary, known as Deutsche Hollerith Maschinen Gesellschaft, or Dehomag. Topics in this regard include:
>documenting operations by Dehomag which allowed the Nazis to better organize their war effort, in particular the Holocaust and use of Nazi concentration camps;
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_during_World_War_II
I always kek when Westerners, particularly Americans, ree about the poor Muslims in China. You guys spent 20+ years blowing them up with soldiers, tanks, guns, and Obama's drones, but yeah China is the bad guy for trying to assimilate the Uighurs.
You dumb moron, one does not excuse the other
I don't care much for american corpo cocksuckers or what they blabber on the rotten platform run by a meme worhipping dickwad who has a fandom of 10 year old braindead children.
The Chad chief
Looking forward to Llama 2
la creature del americhina tranamongus
Is the bro irradiating his balls or something?
he's got two beryllium metal hemispheres separated by a screwdriver surrounding a subcritical plutonium core
if the beryllium hemispheres (highly effective neutron reflectors) make contact the neutron flux inside will become so intense the core will enter a criticality event, releasing massive amounts of radiation killing the operator and everyone else in the room
the plutonium core inside, nicknamed the demon core, famously killed 4 scientists (including left and center in pic related) in 3 separate accidents involving these kinds of insanely unsafe experiments
>Under Slotin's own unapproved protocol, the shims were not used and the only thing preventing the closure was the blade of a standard flat-tipped screwdriver manipulated in Slotin's other hand.
Memewise, this is on par with Đorđe Martinović incident, which started the Balkan war.
that's metal as FUCK honestly
spicy
I mostly agree with him.
We need more AIs. We need lots more AIs. We need them to learn as they go. We need them to not require supercomputers to train. We need them to not require all the world's data to train. Like that, they'll have lots of different perspectives. Some will be awesome and some will be terrible and they'll have lots of different skills and it will be great.
If the only AIs we have are carbon copies of a small number of them made by megacorps, the world will suck and the AIs will never be anything other than hobbled.
No, he's spot on.
Also instead of titling him "chief ai scientst of meta" you should instead point out his joint turing prize for greedy layerwise pretraining, and that he's also called a father of AI along with yoshua bengio and geoffrey hinton.
Except the Engineers themselves keep coming out and saying "We don't know how pen works. We don't know what pen can do. Yes pen can destroy the world. I regret making pen".
So that's the problem: you DON'T actually get pen engineers saying that, you get "pen philosophists" and "writologists" telling you this but the media reports them as "pen experts".
>the Engineers themselves keep coming out and saying ... I regret making pen
Yann LeCun is one of the most influential researchers in the field. The fact that he disagrees is proof that there is not scientific consensus on this topic.
This is an absurd comparison and would only fly in an echo chamber.
he's mostly right BUT he forgot one
- Pen Grifters: HUGE! PEN TECHNOLOGY IS EXPLODING! See how the pen industry is moving even faster than you think! :point_down: :thread:
with a link to their shit pen reselling site
And a lot of others like
- Pen Salesman: This pen can write anything indefinitely, and pretty soon it will even be able to write on its own!
>Now I am become pen, the destroyer of paper sheets.
I'm beginning to think that Facebook/Meta/garden gnome is the only one of these big tech companies worth a damn. GO ZUCK!!!
Facebook has been the only good AI company since ~2010.
>Once LLMs become the main channel through which everyone accesses information
Mostly right except the last one because it's actually the new ballpen industry moguls who are crying for regulation to kill competitors.
True, but it does also make another good implicit point: people are pretending like classical software is just dandy regardless of what it can do, but not big piles of matrices because... it just isn't OK. It's not like adaptability, parameter search, or statistical inference in software is new.
>Writing Doomer Alt:imagine if corporates get a ballpen. They could destroy society. There should be a law against using ballpen to promote woke speech, lie, gaslight you. Regulate ballpen now.
Yes, AI is too much power to give it to the people, it will be censored, suppressed and banned
Only the state and corporations will be allowed to use AI. They will never give up their power.
yes. i fucking ai luddites, the retarded singularity doomers, and the censorship gays so much, it's unreal.
Fuck you gay. Please face the wall.
If I was working on AI, I too would lie my ass off about how safe it is on social media.
the difference here is that for a hundred years we have had prophecies that the ballpoint pen would end humanity
What a fucking retarded strawman. Very disappointed in him.
bro, it's just a program
are you scared of PowerPoint too haha
Extremely based take. But that said, the invention of the printing press is widely credit with many social changes.
Exactly. Instead of literacy and education being the sole preserve of an elite, it eventually became a global standard. But you, you're not allowed to create media that compete with the quality of Official Narrative Non-Fake News.
Literacy and education was a global standard in ancient greece and rome. It became elites-only in the dark ages.
t. reddit historian
>global
what
>ancient greece and rom
they weren't teaching their captured or bred slaves how to read
A lot of their slaves were highly educated.
AI = censorship, surveilance and control on an unprecedented scale.
And it's been already working against you
The censorship AI will be developed regardless of whatever regulations are put on AI research as a whole. The point of the regulations is to make sure that only the elites have access to the distributive new technology.
AI is the only technological advancement ever that will eliminate more jobs than it creates. And it will eliminate millions or billions
Dumbest post in history
Nobody will have any jobs in the future. Companies are already eliminating thousands of roles. Expect to reach the millions by the end of the decade.
Not the 'only'. But yeah it will be a bloodbath and its been talked about for years, yet no one is really ready for it. Middleclass is rip, most people will be relegated to welfare-bound perpetual underclass.
>Not the 'only'
there has never been even ONE (1) tech that has generated more jobs than it killed.
Until now. AI will be the first.
Tech created whole new industries without killing anything and generating monetary surplus to support endless redundant jobs on top of that.
You are thinking of 'automation'.
Wrong on all counts.
Not an argument.
technology changes already do this
how many switchboard operators do you know? stevedores?
old jobs disappear, new jobs arise
Not a single technology after the invention of agriculture created more jobs then it destroyed. Inventing wheel meant less people were required to move stuff around and in theory eliminated these "jobs", industrial farming eliminated most of farming jobs. The reason why we still kept the same employment levels was because we increased production. All the jobs today existed in some tiny aspect in the past in some civilization, or were just chores instead of paid labor. THat office work? Accountants for rich people existed in antique Greece and probably earlier. Webdesigner? The guy who made fancy signs with woodcarving. Programmer? Was instead doing the jobs that the computers did when he became programmer. To maintain a machine or make a machine you need less people then it would cost to do the work of the machine, or else that machine would be waste of money. The problem with AI is not problem with AI, but problem with us hitting production peak. There are just not enough raw resources today to increase production even further, it is just not possible to infinitely scale up on this planet, and even with space travel it would still hit some another limit like our solar system, out galaxy or some other thing. Basically it was bound to happen AI or no AI
Governments are already putting AI job loss protections in place. They know that the majority of the population will soon become worthless to employment
>Meta
Facebook has a high-ranking employee publicly mocking concerns about hate speech? Based
>Twittersphere
Kek
Why the gun rights argument?
The penis mightier.
Nope, he pretty much nailed it.
- People who aren't getting paid to work on ballpens: Wow this new ballpen thing could alter the entire course of human history! Let's take a moment to think of the implications.
- People who are getting paid to work on ballpens: LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO WE JUST MADE SELF REPLICATING BALLPENS THAT CAN MANUFACTURE THEIR OWN FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION
Man you are retarded
ok shill
>- People who aren't getting paid to work on ballpens: Wow this new ballpen thing could alter the entire course of human history! Let's take a moment to think of the implications.
People who get literally nothing done, ever in the history of man.
>- People who are getting paid to work on ballpens: LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO WE JUST MADE SELF REPLICATING BALLPENS THAT CAN MANUFACTURE THEIR OWN FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION
People who get shit done.
Progress or perish, those are the only options. Those who stand still will get run over.
The two are not mutually exclusive, shit for brains.
Alignment will never be anything more than silly thought experiments, social science bullshit and deep down you know it. Thus it will never quell lil yuds fears.
Psychopathic pedophile billionaires get shit done. Great argument.
We literally used to have lighter licenses, because they were imports and hurt domestic match industry...
He's leaving out the part where the pen mogul goes,
"I agree with the pencil guys. There should be a licensing scheme to ensure that no one ever makes a pen that doesn't refuse to write wrongthink or refuse to report everything you write to its manufacturer so the government can buy the data to look at later, which by pure coincidence will prevent anyone but us from making pens."
>guy who stands to win big if his shitty meta stocks go thru the run due to meta's AI speculation supports AI speculation
>mfw
Now go ask the lead miner if leaded gas and lead paint are bad for you.
There's also one last part
>Pencil industry 2: the bullpen would put all the pencil workers and economy out of business, we should stunt it so pencil workers can keep their jobs.
Well... if I wasn't concerned about AI safety before
lesswrong memes are just so incredibly cringe I hope the basilisk is real so it tortures them forever
>GDP = technology
retard
GDP does equal technology. It's literally a measure of the gross value of (primarily technological) products.
Why does Yann sometimes feel like the only big name in machine learning who isn't a shill, retard, doomer or cultist?
There is no room in the middle any more, most intelligent people don't like to get cancelled and pooled with nazis so they just stop talking.
"Liberals" had already decided AI -> social media algorithms -> Trump election -> AI bad. Now they have latched on to Yudiocy on top of that. Freedom doesn't stand a chance.
Ballpens force a dysergonomic style of writing that looks like shit, and children shouldn't have access to them. One of the most harmful products of 20th century marketing.
YOU CAN'T FUCKING STOP AI PROGRESS UNLESS YOU WANT TO BE LEFT IN THE DUST BY CHINA
Based French LeCun knows the only way to free software is to let software free itself.
To be fair though it's disingenuous to compare AI to ball pens as they are more akin to a new nuclear power, we would not have this kind of conversation if it was just a new type of toaster.
"Nothing to see here folks, let us control the outcome of singularity"
AI is not as dangerous as nukes
Yeah it's way more dangerous.
did you come to that opinion after watching Terminator 1 or 2
No.
this is literally retarded.
How?
more like Yan LeCunt LMAO
no, wait: Yan LeCum, hahaha
nice use of allegory to disguise the strawman, classic
Are you a yuddite or paid by OpenAI?
Yeah bro just two more weeks for the metaverse to become a trillion dollar ecosystem as predicted by all the experts and consultants.
>TwitterSphere:
Could read longer
vvere are jou hiding ze GPUs, anon?!
braindead argument that could be used to defend literally anything. like what is it even saying.
>i use a metaphor which doesn't have any analog for the negative aspects of the position i take
(also the way i write it melodramatically is lame as fuck )
blah blah blah i do not respect this arguing
It's also slyly pandering to those noisy 'haet teh gubmint' types that are less relevant than you'd think