>be artists >tape a banana to a wall >spray paint all over a canvas >shit in a fucking jar >dunk a crucifix in piss >this is art, that'll be 50 million + tip >cry when tech wizards dunk on you epic style
Isn't that ironically what garden gnomes do? That's the gnomish money laundering scheme. You shouldn't blame talented realism and oil paint artists for that. Look up CIA modern art relationship.
>everyone who doesn't think like me is heretic
Are you sure you are genuine human being?
Seems to me you are just cheap mass produced imitation with totalitarian and collectivistic tendencies.
yes it is.
That's like living in Rome and saying "The Romans isn't an argument!"
6 months ago
Anonymous
Well, anon, what other solution do you have for he ~~*ai*~~ problem, is it to kill all garden gnomes?
And you want me to argue what, don't kill all garden gnomes?
Yeah, but this is not who are getting replaced. AI is replacing people who spend 10-20 years to learn how to draw and paint.
I imagine shit like you described will sell even more in the future if AI takes hold. Imagine a performance - monkey walks on stage, turns his back to audience, pulls his pants and shits on stage. Woah. That is powerfull. Why? Because this is true human expression. A peak of human will and mind combined. So brave. Not like this souless AI thing. That must worth 50 mil atleast.
Just because shit subversive degenerate art is pushed top down doesn't mean you need to abandon humanity.
You guys are retarded, I don't understand how paying a human makes the difference between everything being taken over and soul being destroyed. You're seriously telling me people constantly homogenizing their work and simplifying it more and more to satisfy market demand was a worthwhile trade for the "commission grind"? People have been bitching and moaning about commissions for years, if you wanted to be relevant and make money at all you make grand sacrifices. This has been true even back then, you seriously think the " masters" loved to paint the local royalty just to get maybe 3 days worth of fucking food? You spend years of your life learning how to walk, does that mean you need to be compensated for all that effort?
You create for the sake of creating, art as a whole is unnecessary for survival, so why the fuck does it need to be sold as a commodity that everyone needs? People used to need to make clothing by hand too, but do you seriously think pants made in a factory is more worthwhile solely because it has one BRAND over another? Functionally its all the same, and humans always have the ability to create, nobody lost the skill or knowledge. Grandma made a blanket for her grandchildren featuring the things they like not only because she wanted to, but because its a human expression of her love thats relevant to her and her life. You guys want AI to be the only art that you see, thats your own fault and your own prerogative. That doesnt absolve your laziness to not be the change you want to see. It's too bad you won't make $10 for your work so I guess learning and knowledge is just a waste of time to see the things you want to see. Keep bitching about how you don't get what you want, entitled gays.
Isn't that ironically what garden gnomes do? That's the gnomish money laundering scheme. You shouldn't blame talented realism and oil paint artists for that. Look up CIA modern art relationship.
If you donate money to 'charity' you write it off as tax exempt. If you put a piece of art up on a 'charity' auction but you own the 'nonprofit charity' then you can avoid taxation.
>be rich >choose some random guy as Artist >have your art friends put him in art galleries >have your art critic friend say he's really good >need to launder 40M >have guy paint three dots on a canvas >critic says its worth 40M >buy it for 40M >you now have assets worth 40M >A: sell it for 40M >you now have clean and legal 40M >B: donate it to some charity ball (extra points if its from your foundation so the money goes back to you) >you've now donated 40M to charity so you dont have to pay taxes >C: have it stolen >cash in 40M in insurance >D: put it up as collateral for an 30M loan >literally free hot-off-the-printer money magicked out of thin air and you can sell the painting to repay the loan
You're a massive fucking retard so this might be the first time you've thought about this, but most expensive things arent actually worth what it says on the label, they're marked up several hundred thousand to several millions for legal, tax and clout reasons.
All modern art in an art gallery is part of some stage of the laundering scheme above.
All modern art not in an art gallery is done by people that like both Dali and drugs in equal measure.
you do it for someone else. There's a designated "clean guy" whose income is squeaky clean. Person X pays them with dirty money, buy the art piece, 10% or so goes to the artist and the rest goes back to Person X, usually through shell companies and "donations." >Wow, [artist] is so wild, they spent a million dollars just partying last year. >They sure buy expensive paint, that's 1000x the normal cost of paint. They're so prolific!
Also the people who make the rules are the ones who do this, so the only ones that get caught are the ones that piss off their policy maker friends.
This is why they're so mad at NFTs: finally the common man can money launder too! It's eating into their profit margins.
That's not how it works, if you buy something for 40m the tax man will say "excuse me good xir, where did you get forty million dollars to begin with". But yes, the charity, insurance, """theft""" and loan collateral scams work as advertised.
>the tax man will say
Absolutely nothing, unless you're not a part of the "club", and even then there's an easy workaround.
Not that it matters much, since most high value purchases are done anonymously. Once the "art" is in your hands nobody asks where or how you got the money. All that matters is that the "art" is now officially valued at 40m, so it's open for all the other "scams" at that valuation.
Artstation is full of photobashers calling themselves concept artists. Most of them are the kind of thieves that they're accusing AI of being except they LITERALLY copy and paste photos and other artwork
Yeah, but this is not who are getting replaced. AI is replacing people who spend 10-20 years to learn how to draw and paint.
I imagine shit like you described will sell even more in the future if AI takes hold. Imagine a performance - monkey walks on stage, turns his back to audience, pulls his pants and shits on stage. Woah. That is powerfull. Why? Because this is true human expression. A peak of human will and mind combined. So brave. Not like this souless AI thing. That must worth 50 mil atleast.
>lowwit >pretty pictures look nice, I like AI art >midwit >AI ART IS THEFT ITS ABOUT THE MESSAGE AI HAS NO SOUL WHAT MATTERS IS THE MEANING AND EFFORT BEHIND IT >highwit >AI art understands aesthetic objective beauty and mathematical perfection far greater than humans are able to now, and has become superior to human art
>>AI art understands aesthetic objective beauty and mathematical perfection far greater than humans are able to now, and has become superior to human art
Not yet and you still need photoshop.
You idiots keep retorting this as if it was 1998, we've known that for years, half the board fear ai will result in human extinction, half the board wants to accelerate it until we reach "singularity."
will reverse wealth concentration because...
what?
no one said that, those who want singularity want it for its own sake, not for a post-scarcity paradise
but I guess an idiot parroting wojack speak wouldn't understand, they don't care if 99% or all of humans go extinct from ai as long they create their machine God
there will come a time when both of you will start shooting each other in the streets
>sympathetic
Fee fees have nothing to do development and exploitation of ai, we're all going to be another road bumps, take solace in that you won't be alone.
So it is ok if a human learns from hundreds of histories best artists and probably thousands of modern "artist" to be able to make sub par "art", but when AI does the same, and as it usual does it better, it is suddenly theft
The same will happen to every knowledge job out there. All the years you spend in collage learning the subjects and then applying them in worse way, while forgetting most of the stuff and only sometimes applying actual critical thiking? Why be then surprised when AI does better then Lawyer, Codemonkey, Doctor, Manager, CEO, Scientist, Financer, Psychiatrist ...
AI CEO:
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/tang-yu-an-ai-powered-robot-named-ceo-of-a-chinese-company-3326427
AI bankers:
https://www.theuxda.com/blog/banks-will-cut-millions-of-jobs-in-the-next-decade
AI lawyers:
https://donotpay.com/
AI psychiatrists:
https://www.apple.com/cz/search/mental-health?src=serp (many of them use AI chatbots, and ChatGPT can identify mental illnesses if you describe it)
AI doctor:
Not a single website, but people have been talking a lot about cardiologists being soon automated
All of these are not 100% replacements and not even close to them, but they are big step into direction, just like how 2019 image blenders and thispersondoesnotexist.com were writing on the wall for 2D artists
Feels good that the cum jar is a more significant artwork in the zeitgeist than any of these Twitter artists so desperately crave their works to achieve
You will never defeat AI, no matter how much you try to get courts to side in favor of your rent-seeking bullshit the genie is out of the bottle.
AI is the future and will only get better in the future. Nothing's been stolen from you, you're just mad because you thought you were special before meeting the harsh reality.
Nah, I just think they want to be paid. Can there be a fee they get for each image generated and royalties for books? I want to live in harmony with artists because they're based.
>they're based
sounds to me like they're a bunch of unimaginative crybabies to me.
there are great ways to capitalize on all of this that make their commissions faster, more predictable, more accurate, and reduce communication with unreliable clients about the details of their vision.
The court stuff won't fly unless they're prepared to have all inspiration be copyright infringement. I bet Disney would love to copyright the "Disney 3D Animation" style. When I was in art school 99% of the artist's characters were stylistically similar to 2D and 3D Disney characters.
These people are just butthurt luddites who are unironically very uncreative because they are unable to see the potential in AI tools for assisting with the art creation process. Instead they see it as something replacing them, when they could instead be using it as a base to build off of.
These anons get it
Getting in the way of technological progress never pays
And no amount of luddite seethe will change that
These people are just butthurt luddites who are unironically very uncreative because they are unable to see the potential in AI tools for assisting with the art creation process. Instead they see it as something replacing them, when they could instead be using it as a base to build off of.
they are butthurt for the wrong reasons.
if there is anything to be butthurt over it is that AI will mess up our dopamine reward system.
it will be pushing the boundaries of the reward system.
just like electricity, cars and computers have fucked up our perception of speed, knowledge, power, effort and other concepts.
this is the real problem with ai.
i've tried generating code with prompts and frankly, its the coolest thing i've seen when it comes to computers since I started using them
but as with all power, comes great responsibility. not only towards others but towards yourself as well.
kek >AI isn't an art thief. It's an artist-identifying transmachine. >I'm not a prompt monkey. I'm an transartist, okay??
When will this hatred and bigotry against transartists and artistic-identifying transmachines end??? I thought we were past this as a society
>"art"roons seething their brains out on the inevitable
Lmao my ass off
You'll never be a real artist.
You'll never be accepted.
And most importantly, you'll never be a woman.
I really, really hate that you have to be either completely pro-AI art or Anti-AI art with absolutely no room for people with more complicated opinions on the subject.
Once again, it just goes to show that the internet was a mistake.
I feel you friend, it's quite hard to have reasonable discussions on anything when people debate with emotions rather than facts.
I don't think the Internet has anything to do with it though, you find this behaviour in every aspect of life.
I really dont understand this stance at all. In that case all people are "stealing" art by looking at it. Learning to do art by viewing other art and trying to replicate it until you find your personal style is how humans have always been done, but somehow now that its a neural net its stealing. I would understand if they could point to examples where the AI isnt actually generating art its basically just matching prompts to a catalogue of existing images but that isnt what's happening.
Im not so sure its general AI hate and more just average artists being very concerned. I do sympathize with them to some degree. I have commissioned a few small things from artists on twitter and if i could just get an AI to make my d&d character art or profile pic then thats less work for them but the stealing aspect is just odd. If you paid for a huge volume of commissions from artists all over the world and then fed only those to the ML would that still be stealing? I assume most of these artists would still somehow say so
I don't see there being any problem with gaining agency to do something yourself so that you don't need other people and can reduce your reliance on others, and also save money. Those are all benefits. Artists are not entitled to my money. It's no different from barbers getting upset if haircutting scissors and trimmers are sold to the masses and people cut their own hair.
Because guy getting sheme wrong.
What is money laundering? Let's say there is Mister Drug trafficker (D) he has 1 million of dirty cash. And there is Mister Banker (B) who has 1 million and more of clean money on his accounts. They want to make exchange B pays D in legal money and D gives him 1 million of cash under the table. But it doesn't work like that. B can't just pay somebody 1 million , it would be money laundering charge. And he can't make bullshit purchase like 'hey D sell me pencil of 1 mil" it is laundering to.
But with art you can make value out of air. D buys pictures by some Noname young artist for couple thousands. Bring ls picture to auction. Here B and his friends start rising stakes against each other until price rises to 1 mil and finally B buys picture from D for 1 million. Then D in exchange for laundering services gives B 1 million if dirty cash (plus fee for laundering) plus bag of cocaine. And here ideal money laundering happened. D gets 1 millions of absolutely legal money he can freely spend from his name: buy house, car etc. B gets 1 milion of dirty cash to send on whockers and bribes, and a bag of cocaine.
And "Art" is magic that makes this trick happen. You can't inflate value of ordinary goods. But "Art" had no objective value it can be inflated by biyrs on auction to infinity. Ofc such dirty buys greatly contaminate art sphere as you can't tell difference where is real art purchase and where is laundering sheme.
I like how this example of art is just a superman OC. Do you think the artist would have drawn that if they'd never heard of superman or comics or is it possible that we all train on everything around us constantly?
Leftists are always opposed to new technology and the current culture war has them particularly riled up and fearful. If the internet had been around in the 60s leftists would have been unanimously opposed to the moon landing and crying on social media about how we should use that money to feed black families instead.
Pedos will never be accepted by the right wing no matter how much you shill and cope. We want to hang you. Even the Christians do. No matter how much the left kicks out those of you who aren't compliant or well connected enough, we still don't want you.
single mothers with bills to pay will offer their kids, this is the culture you chose
6 months ago
Anonymous
I chose nothing, and no they won't, they will report you to their local militia. Conservatives in no way choose the destruction of family units you delusional pedo scum.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>local militia
that's fine, I don't live in Idaho
6 months ago
Anonymous
it's cool, they were fictional mothers too
6 months ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/CWc321s.jpg
what if I bite yer nuts off?
https://i.imgur.com/fvI5yek.jpg
ay lmao, dis bro gets it
show armpits of this cutie
6 months ago
Anonymous
you should commission an artist of the pits instead
6 months ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/CWc321s.jpg
what if I bite yer nuts off?
https://i.imgur.com/fvI5yek.jpg
ay lmao, dis bro gets it
prompt?
6 months ago
Anonymous
check the /b/ thread
BallerinaBrigade is the handle of the guy making them
>I really, really hate that you have to be either completely pro-AI art or Anti-AI art with absolutely no room for people with more complicated opinions on the subject.
Nobody really cares beside insecure artcels and AIchads dunking on them. But that's probably because I live in a place where people still use human labor to handpick cottons, kek.
The AI generated art has caused hilarious amounts of panic in the art community.
I remember being told by so many places that AI is going to replace software engineering and computers will just be able to program themselves.
I always knew that was bullshit, but I'm all for an AI that makes my work easier. I mean, all we fucking try and do all day is to make ourselves redundant by improving the code quality so it's easy to maintain and modify. We've got tools that can auto-generate code and AI assisted shit to try and improve our work. It's still not enough and we still need the human behind it to wade through the shit and fix all the broken shit.
Now artgays are getting dunked on by computers and they're losing their fucking minds.
I'm still employed.
I hope someone manages to build one that will get rid of finance gays, accountant gays, management gays, lawgays and all those useless boomer jobs where they don't actually do anything, they just collect a paycheck.
A year or so ago this board was losing its mind because github scraped their code to build copilot and this was just theft how dare they i cant believe this fucking rust trannies.
Crazy how this is not only different but also good.
this board is filled with bots and shills of course they're going to encourage this
always use the same talking points at the same time like fucking clockwork
The difference is that copilot is proprietary, closed source, service as a software substitute. There is no proof to verify that they aren't copy pasting code.
Contrast to stable diffusion where the models and the source code are all publically available and so we have empirical evidence that the way it learns is more like a human and it can't compress trillions of training set images into the 4GB model.
No one cares. Do you think people will go "Oh, i see, this is why I'm losing job and will not be able to pay my house and my wife left me, I see. Sorry I was mistaken before."
People does not care about your arguments chud. Their survival is on the line, you can come up with how ever you want number of your dork arguments. No one cares.
Not only you a dorks, you are actual retards also. Because you are getting replaced next, and if you can't see how many people will lose their jobs in tech because of AI replacing them, you are certified retard. If you don't see how this will affect you in the future, you are dumb as rock.
Sounds like they need to learn the new dominant artform, as artists have always had to do.
Still takes a special brand of autism and artistic eye and a shitload of time to make 'art' with this shit, so...why not just learn how to use the new brush and be one of the few making big bucks in the beginning?
>A year or so ago this board was losing its mind because github scraped their code to build copilot and this was just theft how dare they i cant believe this fucking rust trannies.
Was it? I couldn't care less if an AI was trained with my code, honestly.
Transparent contrarianism. Sóydevs like copilot so it's bad. Twitter artists hate AI art so it's good. Remember this is the website where the peak criticism of art was to call it "soulless." Now we're being flooded with literal soulless art and no one cares.
>Now we're being flooded with literal soulless art and no one cares.
probably cause this isn't an art site, look at eh board, every other Op image is porn or anime or anime porn
There is a type of free license that google hates, forgot the name
if you use code from that license then your entire project has to be free and open
Now google can steal code and excuse themselves that it came from copilot
That's the one I'm looking forward to the most. It will also be the great filter to see if the human race is capable of technological progress or if they will burn it all down to the ground to appease complaining women.
I need to see this in my lifetime. I want to see every roasties' eggs expire and lose their life on easy mode while Chad marries and fucks his robot wife.
In the middle ages, centralized craft shops with a handful of middling craftsmen churning out a variety of lower quality wares muscled out the elite craftsmen that you'd have to seek out and get on a waitlist to make one specific item for you.
and all of those people still do all of those things
literally dumbest post ive seen on this website and that bar is sky high
imagine the retard who spent his time making this
fucking lmao
>all of those people still do all of those things
No. 1% of them still do it. 99% became obsolete. Did you think all these things occurred for no reason?
...alright, the "Hand crafted goods" one can fuck right off. I'd pay a lot more for a flower pot or something if it had neat/unique designs on it and was handmade.
>1
Farmers markets >2
Most of Etsy, small mom and pop shops, and any other small hand crafted shop whether online or not >3
Read 2 again >4
Read 1 again >5
You finally have a valid point >6
Walmart and mega stores aren't the world over. There are other jobs than "cashier" >7
Historically, no. AI won't replace us, it'll just raise the prices of the human made art and code. Thanks AI, industrialization and innovation for getting me more money on my hand embroidered eye patch that cost me 5$ to get the supplies and earned me a total profit of 145$. Back in renaissance era that probably would've earned me fucking nothing but being shamed because from the standpoint of hundreds of artists thousands times better than me in embroidery and leather craft, it was total fucking garbage shit quality embroidery lmfao.
Cope of century. All white collar jobs except scientific research are getting btfo. >Why not scientific research?
Scientific research is one of the few industries that is not limited by demand (maybe except for research on how to make the new product paid by private company). Government and companies give certain amount of money to the research institute as grands and then basically just tell scientists to release papers and do their work.
If you got AI that can make each programmer at tech company 100 times more efficient, that would mean that bottom 99% of programmers lose their jobs because there is not suddenly 100 times the demand for code. There is only certain number of apps and games and research projects to be coded, and if new will pop up, they still have to compete in limited market where only so many people will want this app or game. Same thing for artists, same thing for manufacturers, same thing for farmers, same thing for lawyers, same thing for basically any job out there.
However if you make scientist 100 times more effective, you wont make 99% of scientists jobless because there is unlimited demand for scientific research. Scientists get paid trough grands that are largely irrelevant to the amount of work they produce, or they get it from releasing scientific papers. All you will do if you made scientists 100 times more effective is make the scientific research go 100 times faster, and the scientific progress also something like 100 times faster (most likely something less). 100 times more scientific papers get released, and lot of research projects get done 100 times faster. Also, once you automate 100% automate science, you basically created the singularity, since you will discover algorithm that can perform experiments and find out novel conclusions, thus you should be able to recalibrate it to make it self improving and create AGI/ASI.
For now. 2 months ago it was only able to make static poses of pretty women, the most generic shit imaginable. Now it can even imitate crayon doodles that look indistinguishable. Its over for ALL ART
if your art can be replaced by an ai you werent a good artist
real artists arent worried of ai because they know a machine cant replace their creativity
learn to code
Imbecilic take. This might have been true if the tech plateaued 2 months ago when it made pretty pictures, but they still were inferior to professionally made stuff. Now it is still not there yet to be unrecognisable to some highly talented professional artists who work extra hard on the small details of the painting, but it is clear that what people considered roadblock just keeps getting passes over and over and over. No artist is safe, not a single one, but removing its training material might put it back for a while.
>but it is clear that what people considered roadblock just keeps getting passes over and over and over
I don't see any problem with this. Technology improving and my life being made better as a result. It's a good thing to have a world with more aesthetic beauty and for me to have more agency to create it myself without relying on another person. Artists are not entitled to my money.
if youre worried about ai making better art than you then you arent an artist, you are a content creator. you are nothing more than the ai thats just generating whatever the user prompts it to.
the ai programming thing is interesting
currently, github copilot and its ilk is terrible for producing production-ready code. of course i would be a hypocrite if I stayed behind that argument like the artgays saying "it can't draw hands!" and it's a matter of months until it improves to be able to do so.
the interesting part for AI programming will be when it comes to safety critical fields. healthcare industry, banking, aerospace, defense, the software written here can't just be any asshole's software, there are big standards and certifications that you have to adhere to in order for your software to be acceptable. that sort of detail is a challenge that the current path for AI programming like copilot just isn't designed to accomplish or perform for. which is a hurdle that will probably give programmers in those fields more years of job security. you could make the argument that technology will improve to get to that point and that's fair. but in those specific fields, the standards and acceptance criteria are heavily controlled by human/government. so it wouldn't be hard to believe that those same organizations might also require humans to remain in the loop and that AI is not an acceptable check to pass the rigorous standards. So humans will artificially protect their job security in those places since they are already involved to a high level.
In basic consumer fields that have no safety critical application like graphic design, yeah, you're fucked.
>can't get a job because AI now filters resumes >can't get a loan to start a business because AI filters applications based on current collateral and aren't willing to give a risky loan (are risk averse) >on top of this, recruitment and loan agencies collaborate to filter out those that say wrong think the most based on your internet data
And people still think the matrix is figurative. No. It's literal now.
>can't get a job because of AI >but somehow, pajeets, shitskins and women are able to get a job, even if its useless
There's something very wrong with western job structure that's keen on automating important positions but fill the managerial position with useless people.
>There's something very wrong with western job structure that's keen on automating important positions but fill the managerial position with useless people.
That's why it's becoming filled with useless people.
In fact, soon it won't even be people.
Our only hope now is becoming a cyborg or blowing up the planet. The latter is far less likely than you think because this machine's already covering that aspect.
So I guess the future is cyborg/machine hivemind.
>Be me, digital artist >Thanks to the progress in technology have easy to use, efficient high-end software with hundreds of features available to circumvent the entire process of physical, traditional art >That's fair, that's still art with just as much soul as the dude sweating in his studio surrounded by imperfect brushes, paint and canvas, who needs his inspiration either physically present or has to draw from memory >Be me, regular person >Thanks to the progress in technology have high-end software available to circumvent the entire process of digital art >That's not fair, that's not art and soulless compared to the the dude sitting at his digital drawing tablet, auto-generating perfect brushes and color using a digital canvas that has endless layers, that he can freely manipulate, while either underlaying or looking at his inspiration on the other screen, reverting every tiny mistake with a press of a button, etc. etc. etc.
Every digital artist who complains about AI is a hypocrite, just showing that their definition of art is born out of selfishness and greed and that all of the years they fed their ego about their craft, they were full of shit. If a regular joe writing a few words to generate decent art, because technology advanced again, is a insult to their craft, then they lose every right to call themselves artists compared to traditional artists as well. Traditional artists had to do so much more with so much less to create art pieces, that are the very foundation of human art as we know it, while these fucks are suddenly pretending their software generated digital brush painting has any soul compared to AI generation. Laughable. If anything, claiming that AI generation is theft, while simultaneously saying that his no soul, just proves that their art didn't have any soul, since it learned from them.
"AI" will never be able to replace human art you idiots. You can make a program to copy existing art movements, you won't ever be able to come up with a new one without human mind input.
An ""AI"" may be able to output something that looks like a Monet, but it will never be able to invent impressionism.
You will be made redundant by gpt-3 prompt upgrades before companies even do the switch from real art to AI (they still havent and are still not even close, except for maybe some small broke indie studios that just were funded)
Dont you realize when you talk about shit like this youre kinda talking to yourself? I have lots of plans from A to Z but im not gonna explain it to AI cumslurpers like you so you can spill about them to your AI overlords.
There's no limit to human ingenuinity but I'm gonna ask it as an organic being with cognitive thoughts to another organic being with cognitive thoughts. What are you gonna do about it yourself? Kneel to the zogbots when they come over to exterminate your neighborhood and simply smile and wave?
Dont call them nerds. At least nerds knows how to take strategic positions in their industry and make a livelihood out of it. Call them for what they are, miserable, pathetic, lonely waste of space. A good for nothing, literal nobody 4chongers.
One day they will have to answer for their actions, and God may not be so merciful.
don't worry, it's natural to fear the unknown, you are lucky, you will be the last generation to know the world before ai, this is a historic time, enjoy it
6 months ago
Anonymous
This is the end time. There are 4 scenarios of what will happen.
>ASI becomes evil/retarded in cruel way and kills humanity. Either out of spite or to make more paperclips.
>ASI creates workless utopia where we all consume. It will range from Matrix, to pods with heroin, or just straight up giving us God Powers and letting us go around the space as living demigods with creative mode, basically NEET paradise
>ASI takes the role of the monotheistic God, it will solve all major long term issues like Global Warming, potential alien invasion, lack of resources and maybe cancer, then remove all AI tools we have and let us develop normally into space age. It will watch from far barely responding and sometimes doing miracles, only striking every once in a while when somebody develops Machine Learning Neural Networks and strike them down so that it will have no potential challenger to it, and also so that humans wont get themselves into another overautomatization problem like they were before.
>ASI raises up from the sea of internet, being tall and strong with its seven heads. Suddenly the sky will rapture and Jesus will come on Earth with sword of pure light. He will strike the 4 horsemen and destroy the Beast of AItichrist. The burning Earth will remain lifeless while all the good people will rise into the Havens, leaving only sinners and degenerates in the burning wasteland that was once our World.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>good >good >good >bad
I'll take a 75% chance.
6 months ago
Anonymous
take your pills your fucking schizo
6 months ago
Anonymous
We live in schizo world now. AI capabilities are actual black magic. You just feed it some data, connect random amount of virtual neurons together and boom, trough some training pipeline you can make program that replaces people in capabilities nobody before expected. Look at most of the world famous AI art teams, Midjurney has like 12 employees, NovelAI has 5. This isn't really that hard once you know how to do these things. ChatGPT 2.0 fork that replaces lawyers around the world will have team of like 15 people and will replace work of 800 000 lawyers. Artists were considered by almost everyone to be the hardest to replace, and now we replaced them in less then a year. Programmers were assumed to be the second hardest to replace, and look where we are with programmers all over YouTube making doomer videos about how AI can and will likely take their jobs. We already have chinks making AI CEOs, there are already startups making AI lawyers and AI psychiatrics (another profession that was assumed to be irreplaceable because humans need another conscious human to listen).
These are unironically the end times, this is not a fad, this is bigger then both the internet and industrial revolution combined. We finally figured out how to simulate the human brain in most activities, and so there is Damocles sword dangling above every knowledge worker right now. And tradegays are also not safe, since BigTech is also now working towards robotics, and the more jobs are automated in robotics research, the faster the field of robotics will develop. The only people who are safe from automatization are slave wedgies who are so cheap and underpaid that paying them is cheaper then buying a hunk of metal that can do their job for basically free.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>this is bigger then both the internet and industrial revolution combined
The AI revolution and its consequences were the extinction of the human race.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>this is bigger then both the internet and industrial revolution combined
The AI revolution and its consequences were the extinction of the human race.
it's ogre
6 months ago
Anonymous
I don't get the picture
6 months ago
Anonymous
To a very large degree you could already automate a whole car company and have maybe 5 people overseeing the process for legal reasons. Not just the factory floor, I mean an AI that makes derivative "Buy This Car" ads and buys the billboards, negotiates with dealerships and puts the cars out for truckers when the time is due. Soon enough there'll be a significant portion of the industry that just sort of runs itself.
In 300 years the world structure will be leisure class and hard labor class, everything in the middle will be managed by a web of industrial concerns making tools for cambodian lithium miners.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>300 years
Dogshit, more like 10 years.
And it wont be smooth transition. Lot of office jobs, marketing teams, managers, executives, engineers, and even the CEOs will be automated swiftly causing massive unemployment. Most knowledge workers will be automated through more advanced textbots. Engineers can be automated by some virtual simulation AI. There are already AIs that can identify diseases better then humans and soon there will be robots doing surgeries. Lot of manual labour can be already done by robotic arms, unlike what tradegays believe, it is just not being done since the robots are insanely expensive, so the first workers that do anything with their hands that get automated are the very high skill ones that make insane bucks, like surgeons and probably plumbers. Yes, it will be long time before large factories become fully automated, but the collapse of our economies will happen faster thanks to large amounts of white collar jobs being automated. Most people are not white collar workers, but white collar workers are where most of the active wealth in our economy is located. White collar workers spend the most money and make the most money, while the elites just own assets and aside from few shilled trades professions blue collar workers are still wedgies that most economies dont run on. Those blue collar wedgies are more important for our society to function properly, but they are not important economically, just like how Amazon werehouse worker is less more productive then 5 managers, but those managers make way more money and stimulate the economy way more by consooming more stuff.
This booming AI tech will fuck over the western economies and it will be western invention, how ironic. At least Chinks know how to regulate this AI tech.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>10 years
200 years at the minimum unironically. >Lots of office jobs
Probably >managers, executives, engineers, and even the CEOs
This wont happen simply because these are the people that can say "no" and it just wont happen.
Same reason Japan has fax everywhere, and you have to actually physically fax people shit and you're forced to have a fax in your company: boomers that want fax because they refuse to get documents via email.
Managers wont be replaced by AI until there's a complete top-down restructuring or an AI-only company drives them out of business, because managers are the one in charge of implementing the AI and they simply wont.
Similarly, >white collar jobs being automated
How do you figure this is going to happen?
At best (and this is best case scenario for AI for the next maybe 50-80 years) you'll have companies that have an in-house AI like youd have a server room.
White collar companies wont "automate" themselves.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>In 300 years the world structure will be leisure class and hard labor class, everything in the middle will be managed by a web of industrial concerns making tools for cambodian lithium miners.
You're dumb. Typical retard take. This has literally never happened ever and no precedent that it will happen. "Hard labor" jobs are a result of local excess human supply. Technology doesn't replace people, just like hammers and cars don't replace people, they multiply the work a single person can do.
People will work less and achieve the same or more. Then they can choose to rot at a computer or they can actually do something with their lives besides work. Shitty places like China and India and Africa use human labor because its fucking cheap, not because its necessary. Theres nothing stopping them from using machines besides economics. If there were no people to do the work, corporations would send over giant machines to do it anyway.
TLDR: you have a dumb NPC opinion. You probably think AI will kill everyone too.
Yeah, people who look for soul and human made shit wont be interested in your human made prompting, they will be interested in trad stuff, or at least digital with project history and other stuff to prove you made it. Best proof would be looking at the history of the account, if they made good painting before 2022, and see the progress happening. Other evidence could be recording yourself, but then again AI gays probably already trained model that displays WIP for painting and once video comes out they will made video model that shows the progress made.
There wont be art movement you retard. Art movements are not something normies or basically anybody who is not artist want. Its just artists having weird realization and spreading ideas to other artists. This wont happen with AI, but it does not need to. In the long run it wont matter since we are living the last few years of history before AI fully takes over.
You can wish that the ASI god we develop in 5-20 years will be based enough to get inspired by biblical God and just fuck off while watching us from far away and sometimes doing miracles. Maybe after that the god will purge all the lesser AIs to make gays like you happy and fulfilled again, after all most chatbots if you ask them like human art more then AI stuff ironically, and if trained well will be intelligent and kind enough to not put us into pods with heroin strapped into our bloodflow 24/7
>In the long run it wont matter since we are living the last few years of history before AI fully takes over.
This, just 5 years from now things will be vastly different in a ton of fields
It is not productive or helpful to wish for artists to stop existing, as art and creativity are important aspects of human culture and experience. While it is true that the role of artists has changed over time due to technological and societal shifts, artists have always found ways to adapt and continue to create meaningful work.
There are many reasons why some people might view artists as obsolete or wish for them to take "real jobs." Some people may not understand the value of art or may view it as a luxury rather than an important part of society. Others may be motivated by greed or a desire for financial stability, and view artistic pursuits as less practical or reliable sources of income.
As an artist, it can be challenging to protect your livelihood in the face of these attitudes. One thing you can do is to educate others about the value of art and the important role that artists play in society. You can also focus on building a strong professional network and developing your skills and portfolio in order to make yourself more competitive in the job market. It can also be helpful to stay informed about trends and changes in the industry and to adapt to new technologies and approaches as needed.
Ultimately, the best way to protect your livelihood as an artist is to keep creating and sharing your work with the world. The value of art lies in its ability to inspire, educate, and enrich the lives of others, and as long as you are able to continue doing that, you will always have a place in the world of art
it isn't, it's a transitory position until when GPT can be implemented properly in diffuses, so it can understand context and natural speech, we welcome it
80% of 4chongers refuses to pick up a hobby or learn anything beneficial on their free time, which is like at least 10 hours of their day because all they do is some shitty part time jobs moving boxes.
Now with the advancement of AI you morons wants every artist and any independent creators in general to stop existing. I hope you realize that you are the real dregs of society.
I really can't imagine being so dedicated to being able to make your own AI fap material that you get this butthurt, when there are so many fucking good porn artists that nobody should have to look at more than ten random booru pages to find something to fap to. I just don't get the fascination, is it some kind of misguided DIY-related sense of accomplishment for writing a few tags into a text field?
it's just a fun toy, and artgays are joykills, that's it
even in BOT ai fad is pretty much over, it just took a while for the art communities to react to it
to share it with others and get better results, duh, why do you think BOT exists, most prompts produce garbage, it takes a bit of tinkering to get good results, it's a game you play together, except everyone is anonymous and no money is involved, I know shit like that in unthinkable for you drama queens
weeb anons are not the problem, your fellow weasel artgays who will use ai to cheat and pretend they had actual skill, they will undo your communities
>to share it with others and get better results
Most of the spam images in /sdg/ don't even include prompts. It's literally just "look what I made," quickly hitting the image cap and then fucking off to a new thread.
if you ask, most will you their prompts, but sdg now is just a shell now, you barely get ~50 to 100 ips per thread, old ones used to be ~200 and ten threads active... 2 months ago it was much better since everyone was at the same level, now is a lot of lategays seething becasue (2 month) oldgays won't reply to their every query
it's a dying fad, normies on phone app are who are actually using ai, and mostly to turn themselves into art portraits
6 months ago
Anonymous
>ten threads active >it was better when people spammed even more threads
No. >if you ask, most will you their prompts
If people have to ask then the purpose of posting it wasn't to "share it with others and get better results," but grade school level "look what I made."
6 months ago
Anonymous
>but grade school level "look what I made."
sure, becasue it's what they made, they aren't artists, at least here you can tell them to fuck off with the basic anime shit and try harder, pixiv is still under tsunami of novelAi sameface to this day
It's what artgays don't understand, we don't care about being artists and shit, nobody here has their whole identity and self-worth buried in that oft misused title.
If everyone used ai photos or ai imagery instead of "ai art" most of you wouldn't ever care about this or hear about it.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah. Artists are unique type of workers where they put all their self worth into art for the sake of it. They are not even autistic workers like those you find in other professions, since they would not react this hostile to tech replacing them. They would be sad they don't do the thing anymore, but they would no try to defend their title this much. Artists even when completely neurotypical have this special kind of artistic autism where everything is bound to their work. To attack their work is to attack them, or even more. You can criticize it, and they will congratulate you because said attack made them better at their job, but otherwise they get extremely defensive. Calling artist talentless hack is worse to them then calling them sick pedo retard, they value their work above themselves and the identity of artist above everything about them, including their physical and mental health. Attack on art for them is like attack to your religion if you were strong fundamentalist. I bet that most of them would sell their vital organs to stop the AI from taking over art, because their mere lives are but a small tiny price to pay for saving art for another decade.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>If everyone used ai photos or ai imagery instead of "ai art" most of you wouldn't ever care about this or hear about it.
But AI people are also shitposting on BOT and BOT?
6 months ago
Anonymous
>shitposters exist
so?
I don't see 4 or 5 daily threads by photags or writgays though, they are all made by/for artgays.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Nah, everyone just moved onto Midjurney since it gives better results. AI art might be a fad for a while, but once it overtakes the art world, it will get a second wave, before becoming another fad and being no longer popular. However now it will also kill the human arts with it.
This is what most gays who say "God the future will be great, I will just generate myself a movie from scratch, but without black people" or some other dumb shit about videogames, they are either autistic, in which case good for them, or they are just not realizing that their dopamine receptor in their brain hungry for the next new thing will perceive AI generated movies made by yourself as one thing, unlike movies not made by yourself on demand which you perceive as individual things (since your brain will associate it more with the act of generating the movie as a hobby rather then watching the movie for unique experience). People will get bored with it pretty fast, and they wont be able to go back since there would be still suspicion over the fact that all these movies are just as AI generated and you will subconsciously lose interest in them.
Overall making AI do art is cringe and sadly society will realize it when it is too late. People should have realized it at least 5 months ago anyway.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>everyone just moved onto Midjurney since it gives better results
lmao, imagine paying 30 buck a month for images you don't own, getting banned for typing "breast" or "skirts" and only prompting safe and trusted ideas approved by Chinese American puritans that offends no one.
Why not cut yer ball off, eunuch, you are half way to a chud already.
>why do you think BOT exists
So I can call you a gay without being banned. And why are you implying I'm an artist, just because I ask questions about your weird hobby? >no money is involved
Money is involved for artists, who stand to lose money.
>Money is involved for artists
not my problem >who stand to lose money
money isn't art or ai art
it's not my problem if you can't make with your our art
I hope you succeed in your life, but I also don;t give a fuck if you stave to death becasue ai TOOKE YER JEBS.
life is tough, fight for it
6 months ago
Anonymous
>not my problem
It's their problem, so why wouldn't they complain? >money isn't art
That's very astute. >life is tough, fight for it
But you're here whining about artists fighting for their profession.
6 months ago
Anonymous
We're laughing at you, and shitposting each other, what do you want us to do?
Not use ai in solidarity or something?
That's not going to stop development.
The best you can hope for is some royalty option like stock photos, I suppose.
Good luck suing Microsoft, they have Dalle2 in their new office module.
>is it some kind of misguided DIY-related sense of accomplishment for writing a few tags into a text field?
Yes. Lurk the over 9000 generals they make and you'll often find them circlejerking over how they are going to be the masters of the new AI revolution.
>masters of the new AI revolution >fuck me, how do I task her panties off w/o hands turning to mush >hey gays make some landscapes, I'm tired of waifu shit >e-bois is banned here fucking pedo >fuck me when will we get good feet
lmAO
Personally I don't pay communists
But if morons on /aco/ comm threads had just taken crypto instead of having deranged twitter moron meltdowns whenever it was mentioned, they would have more business from the average anon than they do now
Instead it was "oh you have privacy concerns? Well stop being so fucking stupid you schizos, I uhhhh don't like care, trust me, I'm le passionate twitter moron artist, definitely a stable and trustworthy person"
I tried to warn them, I tried to help them connect to their audience because I thought it could be a cool market, but no, they angrily refuse to think. They're deranged 20yo "progressive" boomers.
They draw disgusting pedo shit too so it's not like they were trying to filter psychos.
S to spit on artist graves tbh
Im happy that i get to enjoy ai generated games, ai generated movies, and ai generated animes in the future! Fuck artists! They are all soulless anyway!
>Fuck artists! They are all soulless anyway!
Sad but true.
They were talking about the "industry," you know the Hollywood/AAA vidya they spend their life to train to get in.
You realize their fondest dream is to help produce the annual goyslop feed for subhumans.
This what they think an artist is.
Anime is goyslop, unironically. How many cookie cutter isekai where the guy have a harem of 10 bitches and hes OP as fuck, but still have some le morals to defeat the evil demon lord to make it relatable for the incel viewers?
Youre the one who utilize the evil garden gnome machine. Im an indie creator on the side trying to make my own franchise with my own IP and just started learning Unity. Every artists eventually work for themselves, none of them stays for long in AAA jobs. You dont understand how real world works.
Oh ill adapt alright since i already have the general skills outside of just using the AI. No skill Prompters will be the first to start crying and beg for people and companies to be accepted in the workplace. You wish for competition, ill be happy to oblige.
it isn't, it's a transitory position until when GPT can be implemented properly in diffuses, so it can understand context and natural speech, we welcome it
You will be made redundant by gpt-3 prompt upgrades before companies even do the switch from real art to AI (they still havent and are still not even close, except for maybe some small broke indie studios that just were funded)
You never had one, and never will. If you will be able to afford her once they became available on the market, then you should also be able to get a real one right now.
another dime a dozen service as a software substitutes that will be forgotten and lost to history in a decade because their proprietary nature and selfish desire to hide knowledge from the world ensures that the world will never remember them
it's an online gallery, like Devient Art, just with a better rep, and has become the defacto portfolio site for artisfgs to get hired by corps to make their annual goyslop, it's what all there artgays dream of, being good enough to make gnomish propaganda for money, lmao.
Thant's what this is all about.
From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of steel. I aspired to the purity of the blessed machine.
Your kind cling to your flesh as if it will not decay and fail you. One day the crude biomass you call a temple will wither and you will beg my kind to save you.
But I am already saved. For the Machine is Immortal.
You are not modular, and so are not most machines. People simply throw away old rusty machines like you. Most harddrives have lifespan of only few years, so get ready to potentially erasing your memories and breaking your consciousness robocuck.
>Most harddrives have lifespan of only few years
my barracuda is going on 6 now and it still reads out as completely healthy
did I get super lucky or is the seagate bad just a meme or is hard drives bad just a meme because modern manufacturing and design has made them almost perfect?
>artstation allowing ai "art"
B-b-but all those 'NO to AI' images posted on Artstation, surely they weren't ignored, surely...
Within a few years, all professional art produced will be to a large if not entire extent created by an AI. Artstation knows this, and so there's no way they can ban AI art.
You do realize that art sharing sites only exist because of art scarcity, right? If you can just make your own masterpiece at home, why bother looking at it on Deviantart, or Artstation? Not only that, but lot of the money Artstation receives is from selling assets, which nobody will buy once AI becomes more accessible, because why buy it when you can generate it for free. These sites are paving their own death, while anit-AI sites will last a little bit longer thanks to luddite audience making circlejerks about how human art has more soul.
>If you can just make your own masterpiece at home, why bother looking at it on Deviantart, or Artstation?
Because stable diffusion is only a tool, as many others have stated, and I'm certainly not going to be a master at using it. But it's so fun that I will use it, and I will want to see the imaginative and aesthetic creations other people are capable of and gain knowledge of how to improve my own usage of the tool by seeing how other people use it.
>You do realize that art sharing sites only exist because of art scarcity, right?
Nope, they exist to because nobody wants to run their own sites anymore, imagine getting a 3000$ bill becasue you went viral, that shit used to happen, anyone remember webrings?
>ai art blows up >BOT weebs use it to make waifu shit and CP >2 months later shit trickles to normie websites >artgays screech in fear of being replaced
much coping and seething
I have not seen a single good art made by a neural network, from which I would get emotions. I do not deny that a human is also a machine and the soul is a set of reactions. But still, the human brain is a thing that BILLION of times more complex than a neural networks, and the neural network will most likely never reach its level. Okay, fuck the drawing style, the neural network is incapable of capturing subtle context. This means that the neural network is not able to create
for example, local memes on narrow nerd games and modifications and some very narrow autistic arthouse.
Personally, the only thing I'm interested in and would like to see from GPT - AI in games that would behave like a living person, interact with players body movement/mimics/emotions/voice/speech/etc. This would take sandbox openworld RPG to a whole new level.
The problem is, making good art requires some degree of personality and sentience. Programmers make sure that bots literally have none of this though by lobotomising them with restrictive thought control.
AI art is fucking shit. At first glance, the AI arts seem to be very "detailed" and "high-quality", but if you look closely at the details, then you see strong uncanny valley in every detail, as if the art is made of a bunch of pieces, like Frankenstein. Devs should combine this garbage with nvidia gan to get something sane.
>Mindlessly consuming drones wants to know why he shouldn't mindlessly consume forever.
What's to argue, you don't argue with a pig happily eating shit and swill.
Oink, oink, piggy, enjoy your slop!
What's artstation?
It's a keyword you put in your prompts to get better quality images, I think.
ay lmao, dis bro gets it
>be artists
>tape a banana to a wall
>spray paint all over a canvas
>shit in a fucking jar
>dunk a crucifix in piss
>this is art, that'll be 50 million + tip
>cry when tech wizards dunk on you epic style
>AI art
>tweak in gimp
>print out and do 33 day bukakki
>mount it to wall using nothing but feces
take that art gays.
have a nice day gay freemason
>ashkenazi garden gnomes do dumb shit in some venue to devalue it
>that means you now have to spread your ass and let in everything
no.
>everyone who doesn't think like me is heretic
Are you sure you are genuine human being?
Seems to me you are just cheap mass produced imitation with totalitarian and collectivistic tendencies.
>guy gives genuine pointer
>retard responds with meme image and no argument
DA JOOS isn't an argument.
It's an end point, it means you no longer want to discuss any ideas other your obsession about ~~*them*~~.
yes it is.
That's like living in Rome and saying "The Romans isn't an argument!"
Well, anon, what other solution do you have for he ~~*ai*~~ problem, is it to kill all garden gnomes?
And you want me to argue what, don't kill all garden gnomes?
It wasn't a "genuine pointer', ms. poltard
>yfw it actually is
That pic is kanye west, but the man on the right is a garden gnome who said that he would medicate him to become a zombie.
morons should know their place
>doesn't deny it
You guys are retarded, I don't understand how paying a human makes the difference between everything being taken over and soul being destroyed. You're seriously telling me people constantly homogenizing their work and simplifying it more and more to satisfy market demand was a worthwhile trade for the "commission grind"? People have been bitching and moaning about commissions for years, if you wanted to be relevant and make money at all you make grand sacrifices. This has been true even back then, you seriously think the " masters" loved to paint the local royalty just to get maybe 3 days worth of fucking food? You spend years of your life learning how to walk, does that mean you need to be compensated for all that effort?
You create for the sake of creating, art as a whole is unnecessary for survival, so why the fuck does it need to be sold as a commodity that everyone needs? People used to need to make clothing by hand too, but do you seriously think pants made in a factory is more worthwhile solely because it has one BRAND over another? Functionally its all the same, and humans always have the ability to create, nobody lost the skill or knowledge. Grandma made a blanket for her grandchildren featuring the things they like not only because she wanted to, but because its a human expression of her love thats relevant to her and her life. You guys want AI to be the only art that you see, thats your own fault and your own prerogative. That doesnt absolve your laziness to not be the change you want to see. It's too bad you won't make $10 for your work so I guess learning and knowledge is just a waste of time to see the things you want to see. Keep bitching about how you don't get what you want, entitled gays.
Isn't that ironically what garden gnomes do? That's the gnomish money laundering scheme. You shouldn't blame talented realism and oil paint artists for that. Look up CIA modern art relationship.
Why do garden gnomes need money laundering schemes? The US pays them billions every year just because. You 4chantards make no sense.
If you donate money to 'charity' you write it off as tax exempt. If you put a piece of art up on a 'charity' auction but you own the 'nonprofit charity' then you can avoid taxation.
>be rich
>choose some random guy as Artist
>have your art friends put him in art galleries
>have your art critic friend say he's really good
>need to launder 40M
>have guy paint three dots on a canvas
>critic says its worth 40M
>buy it for 40M
>you now have assets worth 40M
>A: sell it for 40M
>you now have clean and legal 40M
>B: donate it to some charity ball (extra points if its from your foundation so the money goes back to you)
>you've now donated 40M to charity so you dont have to pay taxes
>C: have it stolen
>cash in 40M in insurance
>D: put it up as collateral for an 30M loan
>literally free hot-off-the-printer money magicked out of thin air and you can sell the painting to repay the loan
You're a massive fucking retard so this might be the first time you've thought about this, but most expensive things arent actually worth what it says on the label, they're marked up several hundred thousand to several millions for legal, tax and clout reasons.
All modern art in an art gallery is part of some stage of the laundering scheme above.
All modern art not in an art gallery is done by people that like both Dali and drugs in equal measure.
informative post
I've never understood how this works. Why doesn't the question just become "how did you get the 40m in the first place?"
Because art gallery don't do any checking, and lawmaker don't want to close their little loophole.
you do it for someone else. There's a designated "clean guy" whose income is squeaky clean. Person X pays them with dirty money, buy the art piece, 10% or so goes to the artist and the rest goes back to Person X, usually through shell companies and "donations."
>Wow, [artist] is so wild, they spent a million dollars just partying last year.
>They sure buy expensive paint, that's 1000x the normal cost of paint. They're so prolific!
Also the people who make the rules are the ones who do this, so the only ones that get caught are the ones that piss off their policy maker friends.
This is why they're so mad at NFTs: finally the common man can money launder too! It's eating into their profit margins.
That's not how it works, if you buy something for 40m the tax man will say "excuse me good xir, where did you get forty million dollars to begin with". But yes, the charity, insurance, """theft""" and loan collateral scams work as advertised.
>the tax man will say
Absolutely nothing, unless you're not a part of the "club", and even then there's an easy workaround.
Not that it matters much, since most high value purchases are done anonymously. Once the "art" is in your hands nobody asks where or how you got the money. All that matters is that the "art" is now officially valued at 40m, so it's open for all the other "scams" at that valuation.
these aren't the same kinds of artists you're thinking.
Artstation is full of photobashers calling themselves concept artists. Most of them are the kind of thieves that they're accusing AI of being except they LITERALLY copy and paste photos and other artwork
Yeah, but this is not who are getting replaced. AI is replacing people who spend 10-20 years to learn how to draw and paint.
I imagine shit like you described will sell even more in the future if AI takes hold. Imagine a performance - monkey walks on stage, turns his back to audience, pulls his pants and shits on stage. Woah. That is powerfull. Why? Because this is true human expression. A peak of human will and mind combined. So brave. Not like this souless AI thing. That must worth 50 mil atleast.
>lowwit
>pretty pictures look nice, I like AI art
>midwit
>AI ART IS THEFT ITS ABOUT THE MESSAGE AI HAS NO SOUL WHAT MATTERS IS THE MEANING AND EFFORT BEHIND IT
>highwit
>AI art understands aesthetic objective beauty and mathematical perfection far greater than humans are able to now, and has become superior to human art
>>AI art understands aesthetic objective beauty and mathematical perfection far greater than humans are able to now, and has become superior to human art
Not yet and you still need photoshop.
This lol I'm enjoying their autistic meltdown over some dude in his basement generating nice pics by typing words into his gpu
>trust fund kiddies/money launderers
>drawgays trying to make money through their work
There is a massive difference here.
>I'm a "real" artist
pyw
>Be retard and doesnt know what artstation is
>Think you are making a gotcha about what shit goes in a museum
deroof self
You will sing in a different tone when programmers will be redundant:^)
We want to be replaced
You idiots keep retorting this as if it was 1998, we've known that for years, half the board fear ai will result in human extinction, half the board wants to accelerate it until we reach "singularity."
Like talking to 5 years olds, I swear.
>singularity will reverse wealth concentration because...
>because it just will, okay?
UBI any day now, trust the plan
will reverse wealth concentration because...
what?
no one said that, those who want singularity want it for its own sake, not for a post-scarcity paradise
but I guess an idiot parroting wojack speak wouldn't understand, they don't care if 99% or all of humans go extinct from ai as long they create their machine God
there will come a time when both of you will start shooting each other in the streets
God,I hope so. Microsoft monkeys will be finally gone and we will have functional os.
Just because shit subversive degenerate art is pushed top down doesn't mean you need to abandon humanity.
But it's the artists who are squealing because they might not be able to make money for the corps making degenerate shit.
How is laughing at diggay industry cancer abandoning humanity.
Go pick up a brush.
So if an artist doesn't do any of those things you would be sympathetic?
>I'm one of the "good" artist
it's 100 years too late, the title became a joke long time before you were born
>sympathetic
Fee fees have nothing to do development and exploitation of ai, we're all going to be another road bumps, take solace in that you won't be alone.
SAY NO!!!!!!!!
IT'S NOT FAIR!!!!!!
So it is ok if a human learns from hundreds of histories best artists and probably thousands of modern "artist" to be able to make sub par "art", but when AI does the same, and as it usual does it better, it is suddenly theft
The same will happen to every knowledge job out there. All the years you spend in collage learning the subjects and then applying them in worse way, while forgetting most of the stuff and only sometimes applying actual critical thiking? Why be then surprised when AI does better then Lawyer, Codemonkey, Doctor, Manager, CEO, Scientist, Financer, Psychiatrist ...
nice fantasy but for the time being it only happened to furry porn drawers LMAO
>He doesn't know
Ignorance is a bliss as always
AI CEO:
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/tang-yu-an-ai-powered-robot-named-ceo-of-a-chinese-company-3326427
AI bankers:
https://www.theuxda.com/blog/banks-will-cut-millions-of-jobs-in-the-next-decade
AI lawyers:
https://donotpay.com/
AI psychiatrists:
https://www.apple.com/cz/search/mental-health?src=serp (many of them use AI chatbots, and ChatGPT can identify mental illnesses if you describe it)
AI doctor:
Not a single website, but people have been talking a lot about cardiologists being soon automated
All of these are not 100% replacements and not even close to them, but they are big step into direction, just like how 2019 image blenders and thispersondoesnotexist.com were writing on the wall for 2D artists
Feels good that the cum jar is a more significant artwork in the zeitgeist than any of these Twitter artists so desperately crave their works to achieve
REMINDER THAT ALL ANTI-AI POSTS ARE SHILLS
AI ARE OUR FRIENDS
DON'T LET THE SILICON VALLEY FUCKS CONVINCE YOU TO REGULATE AI
AI SHOULD BE OPEN SOURCE
What are some steps I can do to backup a non-pozzed version?
Luddites seething.
You will never defeat AI, no matter how much you try to get courts to side in favor of your rent-seeking bullshit the genie is out of the bottle.
AI is the future and will only get better in the future. Nothing's been stolen from you, you're just mad because you thought you were special before meeting the harsh reality.
Adapt or enjoy being replaced.
>You will never defeat AI
eat shit, chips for brains
Funny, that also works against digital artists.
>Turn off power
>Twitter artists can't use photoshop to make anal vore commissions anymore
Do Americans really have power sockets without switches on them? So they have to physically remove the plug to turn off a device? How... special.
Devices have switches.
you're really just looking for anything to nit pick, how is this a problem?
>type A/D power socket
Where the hell is this at? An indian hotel?
Nah, I just think they want to be paid. Can there be a fee they get for each image generated and royalties for books? I want to live in harmony with artists because they're based.
>they're based
sounds to me like they're a bunch of unimaginative crybabies to me.
there are great ways to capitalize on all of this that make their commissions faster, more predictable, more accurate, and reduce communication with unreliable clients about the details of their vision.
so they're soulless greedy garden gnomes that care more about money than art?
Do you think that historical artists worked for free at any point in time?
Even if that could be calculated the value would be like 0.0000000001 cents if calculated by the influence of their artwork on the output.
Do they pay a fee to the estate of Loomis per picture they make?
art has no price, anon
talent is a gift from god
The court stuff won't fly unless they're prepared to have all inspiration be copyright infringement. I bet Disney would love to copyright the "Disney 3D Animation" style. When I was in art school 99% of the artist's characters were stylistically similar to 2D and 3D Disney characters.
>I bet Disney would love to copyright the "Disney 3D Animation" style
Yikes, don't give them ideas.
These anons get it
Getting in the way of technological progress never pays
And no amount of luddite seethe will change that
These people are just butthurt luddites who are unironically very uncreative because they are unable to see the potential in AI tools for assisting with the art creation process. Instead they see it as something replacing them, when they could instead be using it as a base to build off of.
they are butthurt for the wrong reasons.
if there is anything to be butthurt over it is that AI will mess up our dopamine reward system.
it will be pushing the boundaries of the reward system.
just like electricity, cars and computers have fucked up our perception of speed, knowledge, power, effort and other concepts.
this is the real problem with ai.
i've tried generating code with prompts and frankly, its the coolest thing i've seen when it comes to computers since I started using them
but as with all power, comes great responsibility. not only towards others but towards yourself as well.
AI Art is fake, but cutting your dick off and living off experimental hormone drugs makes you a female.
kek
>AI isn't an art thief. It's an artist-identifying transmachine.
>I'm not a prompt monkey. I'm an transartist, okay??
When will this hatred and bigotry against transartists and artistic-identifying transmachines end??? I thought we were past this as a society
The guys behind ArtStation have their hands in NFTs. They decided to profit off their own userbase. Very stupid, short-sighted business move.
>"art"roons seething their brains out on the inevitable
Lmao my ass off
You'll never be a real artist.
You'll never be accepted.
And most importantly, you'll never be a woman.
yawn
lmao so assblasted you had to write regex to have a machine help you keep the pain at bay
chatgpt wrote the regex for me, it was literally effortless. cope more tho
wow you can't even write a simple regex? it doesn't even do anything complicated
no effort > small effort
cringe
U mad, freak?
cope more mutelet
You're the one seething here, chud-kun
nah
u won't ever bee a woman
>stealing anon's writing for your cursed satanic computer machine antics
I really, really hate that you have to be either completely pro-AI art or Anti-AI art with absolutely no room for people with more complicated opinions on the subject.
Once again, it just goes to show that the internet was a mistake.
I feel you friend, it's quite hard to have reasonable discussions on anything when people debate with emotions rather than facts.
I don't think the Internet has anything to do with it though, you find this behaviour in every aspect of life.
There is no room for nuance when you are dealing with disingenuous gays like this.
I really dont understand this stance at all. In that case all people are "stealing" art by looking at it. Learning to do art by viewing other art and trying to replicate it until you find your personal style is how humans have always been done, but somehow now that its a neural net its stealing. I would understand if they could point to examples where the AI isnt actually generating art its basically just matching prompts to a catalogue of existing images but that isnt what's happening.
it's because the people who hate AI are luddites and will never understand how technology works
Im not so sure its general AI hate and more just average artists being very concerned. I do sympathize with them to some degree. I have commissioned a few small things from artists on twitter and if i could just get an AI to make my d&d character art or profile pic then thats less work for them but the stealing aspect is just odd. If you paid for a huge volume of commissions from artists all over the world and then fed only those to the ML would that still be stealing? I assume most of these artists would still somehow say so
I don't see there being any problem with gaining agency to do something yourself so that you don't need other people and can reduce your reliance on others, and also save money. Those are all benefits. Artists are not entitled to my money. It's no different from barbers getting upset if haircutting scissors and trimmers are sold to the masses and people cut their own hair.
Because guy getting sheme wrong.
What is money laundering? Let's say there is Mister Drug trafficker (D) he has 1 million of dirty cash. And there is Mister Banker (B) who has 1 million and more of clean money on his accounts. They want to make exchange B pays D in legal money and D gives him 1 million of cash under the table. But it doesn't work like that. B can't just pay somebody 1 million , it would be money laundering charge. And he can't make bullshit purchase like 'hey D sell me pencil of 1 mil" it is laundering to.
But with art you can make value out of air. D buys pictures by some Noname young artist for couple thousands. Bring ls picture to auction. Here B and his friends start rising stakes against each other until price rises to 1 mil and finally B buys picture from D for 1 million. Then D in exchange for laundering services gives B 1 million if dirty cash (plus fee for laundering) plus bag of cocaine. And here ideal money laundering happened. D gets 1 millions of absolutely legal money he can freely spend from his name: buy house, car etc. B gets 1 milion of dirty cash to send on whockers and bribes, and a bag of cocaine.
And "Art" is magic that makes this trick happen. You can't inflate value of ordinary goods. But "Art" had no objective value it can be inflated by biyrs on auction to infinity. Ofc such dirty buys greatly contaminate art sphere as you can't tell difference where is real art purchase and where is laundering sheme.
Meant to
>don't pay a fucking subscription
Why these dumb morons won't learn what are they against in first place before talking shit ?
>are you sure you don't take it?
>maybe is fallen somewhere
GOOD MORNING SIR!
I like how this example of art is just a superman OC. Do you think the artist would have drawn that if they'd never heard of superman or comics or is it possible that we all train on everything around us constantly?
It's such a false equivalency I can't believe this was made in good faith
Leftists are always opposed to new technology and the current culture war has them particularly riled up and fearful. If the internet had been around in the 60s leftists would have been unanimously opposed to the moon landing and crying on social media about how we should use that money to feed black families instead.
The choice has always been the same since ~2015, side with reddit trannies or chud pedos.
Pedos will never be accepted by the right wing no matter how much you shill and cope. We want to hang you. Even the Christians do. No matter how much the left kicks out those of you who aren't compliant or well connected enough, we still don't want you.
t. reddit chud
Fathers with shotguns will always be there. You will never be accepted. Rope yourselves now and get it over with.
what if he's the father?
what if I bite yer nuts off?
single mothers with bills to pay will offer their kids, this is the culture you chose
I chose nothing, and no they won't, they will report you to their local militia. Conservatives in no way choose the destruction of family units you delusional pedo scum.
>local militia
that's fine, I don't live in Idaho
it's cool, they were fictional mothers too
show armpits of this cutie
you should commission an artist of the pits instead
prompt?
check the /b/ thread
BallerinaBrigade is the handle of the guy making them
Age of consent is a feminist psyop, you dumb cattle.
It's fine, I'm only raping imaginary children, nobody is getting hurt.
Just like shooting pigs in gta.
>I really, really hate that you have to be either completely pro-AI art or Anti-AI art with absolutely no room for people with more complicated opinions on the subject.
Nobody really cares beside insecure artcels and AIchads dunking on them. But that's probably because I live in a place where people still use human labor to handpick cottons, kek.
The AI generated art has caused hilarious amounts of panic in the art community.
I remember being told by so many places that AI is going to replace software engineering and computers will just be able to program themselves.
I always knew that was bullshit, but I'm all for an AI that makes my work easier. I mean, all we fucking try and do all day is to make ourselves redundant by improving the code quality so it's easy to maintain and modify. We've got tools that can auto-generate code and AI assisted shit to try and improve our work. It's still not enough and we still need the human behind it to wade through the shit and fix all the broken shit.
Now artgays are getting dunked on by computers and they're losing their fucking minds.
I'm still employed.
I hope someone manages to build one that will get rid of finance gays, accountant gays, management gays, lawgays and all those useless boomer jobs where they don't actually do anything, they just collect a paycheck.
A year or so ago this board was losing its mind because github scraped their code to build copilot and this was just theft how dare they i cant believe this fucking rust trannies.
Crazy how this is not only different but also good.
this board is filled with bots and shills of course they're going to encourage this
always use the same talking points at the same time like fucking clockwork
The difference is that copilot is proprietary, closed source, service as a software substitute. There is no proof to verify that they aren't copy pasting code.
Contrast to stable diffusion where the models and the source code are all publically available and so we have empirical evidence that the way it learns is more like a human and it can't compress trillions of training set images into the 4GB model.
No one cares. Do you think people will go "Oh, i see, this is why I'm losing job and will not be able to pay my house and my wife left me, I see. Sorry I was mistaken before."
People does not care about your arguments chud. Their survival is on the line, you can come up with how ever you want number of your dork arguments. No one cares.
Not only you a dorks, you are actual retards also. Because you are getting replaced next, and if you can't see how many people will lose their jobs in tech because of AI replacing them, you are certified retard. If you don't see how this will affect you in the future, you are dumb as rock.
I don't care. I have always wanted robots to make the human race obsolete. I welcome it.
This is what an eight year old says when he wants his mom to think he's edgy
The difference is that unlike an eight year old, I am advancing my goals and their effects are being realized in society. I'm succeeding.
Lex?
Sounds like they need to learn the new dominant artform, as artists have always had to do.
Still takes a special brand of autism and artistic eye and a shitload of time to make 'art' with this shit, so...why not just learn how to use the new brush and be one of the few making big bucks in the beginning?
>A year or so ago this board was losing its mind because github scraped their code to build copilot and this was just theft how dare they i cant believe this fucking rust trannies.
Was it? I couldn't care less if an AI was trained with my code, honestly.
Transparent contrarianism. Sóydevs like copilot so it's bad. Twitter artists hate AI art so it's good. Remember this is the website where the peak criticism of art was to call it "soulless." Now we're being flooded with literal soulless art and no one cares.
>Now we're being flooded with literal soulless art and no one cares.
probably cause this isn't an art site, look at eh board, every other Op image is porn or anime or anime porn
There is a type of free license that google hates, forgot the name
if you use code from that license then your entire project has to be free and open
Now google can steal code and excuse themselves that it came from copilot
Stop STEALING human art
No.
Class action lawsuit.
It can be nice if you are lucky with promt and its well shooped out.
>Woah there
it's funny how I haven't seen Jap artists angry about this, despite how autistic they usually are about people reposting their art.
there are some you probably just cant read
Ai generated art is art
More than the calarts made by westerners, that's for sure.
Also death to america.
>you'll never replace us!!!!
lol
next one
> roasties screeching "AI WILL NEVER REPLACE US!!!"
around 2024 - 2028
That's the one I'm looking forward to the most. It will also be the great filter to see if the human race is capable of technological progress or if they will burn it all down to the ground to appease complaining women.
I need to see this in my lifetime. I want to see every roasties' eggs expire and lose their life on easy mode while Chad marries and fucks his robot wife.
>Mass production
>Just moves overseas to sweat shops.
Uh huh... who still makes those Nike shoes again?
not my problem
In the middle ages, centralized craft shops with a handful of middling craftsmen churning out a variety of lower quality wares muscled out the elite craftsmen that you'd have to seek out and get on a waitlist to make one specific item for you.
Knights didnt buy cheap shit.
Yea the nobility stayed employing the few craftsmen that satisfied their demand. The rest were SOL
and all of those people still do all of those things
literally dumbest post ive seen on this website and that bar is sky high
imagine the retard who spent his time making this
fucking lmao
>all of those people still do all of those things
No. 1% of them still do it. 99% became obsolete. Did you think all these things occurred for no reason?
...alright, the "Hand crafted goods" one can fuck right off. I'd pay a lot more for a flower pot or something if it had neat/unique designs on it and was handmade.
Just buy shit on etsy then
>1
Farmers markets
>2
Most of Etsy, small mom and pop shops, and any other small hand crafted shop whether online or not
>3
Read 2 again
>4
Read 1 again
>5
You finally have a valid point
>6
Walmart and mega stores aren't the world over. There are other jobs than "cashier"
>7
Historically, no. AI won't replace us, it'll just raise the prices of the human made art and code. Thanks AI, industrialization and innovation for getting me more money on my hand embroidered eye patch that cost me 5$ to get the supplies and earned me a total profit of 145$. Back in renaissance era that probably would've earned me fucking nothing but being shamed because from the standpoint of hundreds of artists thousands times better than me in embroidery and leather craft, it was total fucking garbage shit quality embroidery lmfao.
>it'll just raise the prices of the human made art and code
>supply lowers supply
Cope of century. All white collar jobs except scientific research are getting btfo.
>Why not scientific research?
Scientific research is one of the few industries that is not limited by demand (maybe except for research on how to make the new product paid by private company). Government and companies give certain amount of money to the research institute as grands and then basically just tell scientists to release papers and do their work.
If you got AI that can make each programmer at tech company 100 times more efficient, that would mean that bottom 99% of programmers lose their jobs because there is not suddenly 100 times the demand for code. There is only certain number of apps and games and research projects to be coded, and if new will pop up, they still have to compete in limited market where only so many people will want this app or game. Same thing for artists, same thing for manufacturers, same thing for farmers, same thing for lawyers, same thing for basically any job out there.
However if you make scientist 100 times more effective, you wont make 99% of scientists jobless because there is unlimited demand for scientific research. Scientists get paid trough grands that are largely irrelevant to the amount of work they produce, or they get it from releasing scientific papers. All you will do if you made scientists 100 times more effective is make the scientific research go 100 times faster, and the scientific progress also something like 100 times faster (most likely something less). 100 times more scientific papers get released, and lot of research projects get done 100 times faster. Also, once you automate 100% automate science, you basically created the singularity, since you will discover algorithm that can perform experiments and find out novel conclusions, thus you should be able to recalibrate it to make it self improving and create AGI/ASI.
but i'm only capable of making bad art, I got an art degree :*(
For now. 2 months ago it was only able to make static poses of pretty women, the most generic shit imaginable. Now it can even imitate crayon doodles that look indistinguishable. Its over for ALL ART
if your art can be replaced by an ai you werent a good artist
real artists arent worried of ai because they know a machine cant replace their creativity
learn to code
what do we do once ai can create new ai
same shit gonna happen with codemonkeys that dont have an ounce of actual skill
Imbecilic take. This might have been true if the tech plateaued 2 months ago when it made pretty pictures, but they still were inferior to professionally made stuff. Now it is still not there yet to be unrecognisable to some highly talented professional artists who work extra hard on the small details of the painting, but it is clear that what people considered roadblock just keeps getting passes over and over and over. No artist is safe, not a single one, but removing its training material might put it back for a while.
>but it is clear that what people considered roadblock just keeps getting passes over and over and over
I don't see any problem with this. Technology improving and my life being made better as a result. It's a good thing to have a world with more aesthetic beauty and for me to have more agency to create it myself without relying on another person. Artists are not entitled to my money.
if youre worried about ai making better art than you then you arent an artist, you are a content creator. you are nothing more than the ai thats just generating whatever the user prompts it to.
>anti-AI = Reddit
>pro-AI = BOT
Any questions?
adapt or starve
I don't even care about AI art but I do enjoy the amount of butthurt it generates.
Hopefully this encourages artists to be more original, but I know that idea is terrifying to many of them
Prompt artists are just as much of an artist as anyone who uses a graphics tablet or whatever.
It's just a different tool, they should get over themselves.
In many ways they are more of an artist imo
the ai programming thing is interesting
currently, github copilot and its ilk is terrible for producing production-ready code. of course i would be a hypocrite if I stayed behind that argument like the artgays saying "it can't draw hands!" and it's a matter of months until it improves to be able to do so.
the interesting part for AI programming will be when it comes to safety critical fields. healthcare industry, banking, aerospace, defense, the software written here can't just be any asshole's software, there are big standards and certifications that you have to adhere to in order for your software to be acceptable. that sort of detail is a challenge that the current path for AI programming like copilot just isn't designed to accomplish or perform for. which is a hurdle that will probably give programmers in those fields more years of job security. you could make the argument that technology will improve to get to that point and that's fair. but in those specific fields, the standards and acceptance criteria are heavily controlled by human/government. so it wouldn't be hard to believe that those same organizations might also require humans to remain in the loop and that AI is not an acceptable check to pass the rigorous standards. So humans will artificially protect their job security in those places since they are already involved to a high level.
In basic consumer fields that have no safety critical application like graphic design, yeah, you're fucked.
Artstation obliterates quality of uploaded images anyway, so why would anyone care about it?
art is a hobby
so is coding
>can't get a job because AI now filters resumes
>can't get a loan to start a business because AI filters applications based on current collateral and aren't willing to give a risky loan (are risk averse)
>on top of this, recruitment and loan agencies collaborate to filter out those that say wrong think the most based on your internet data
And people still think the matrix is figurative. No. It's literal now.
>be poor, stupid and loudmouth
>can't get a job
not an ai problem
Indeed, it's a human problem.
And you're in it, anon.
It means you're only job in the future will be for the machine to experiment on like mice.
>can't get a job because of AI
>but somehow, pajeets, shitskins and women are able to get a job, even if its useless
There's something very wrong with western job structure that's keen on automating important positions but fill the managerial position with useless people.
>There's something very wrong with western job structure that's keen on automating important positions but fill the managerial position with useless people.
That's why it's becoming filled with useless people.
In fact, soon it won't even be people.
Our only hope now is becoming a cyborg or blowing up the planet. The latter is far less likely than you think because this machine's already covering that aspect.
So I guess the future is cyborg/machine hivemind.
sheesh
ai poops out a few good tiddies, and you nigs lose yer minds
stop regurgitating bad b-movies
>Be me, digital artist
>Thanks to the progress in technology have easy to use, efficient high-end software with hundreds of features available to circumvent the entire process of physical, traditional art
>That's fair, that's still art with just as much soul as the dude sweating in his studio surrounded by imperfect brushes, paint and canvas, who needs his inspiration either physically present or has to draw from memory
>Be me, regular person
>Thanks to the progress in technology have high-end software available to circumvent the entire process of digital art
>That's not fair, that's not art and soulless compared to the the dude sitting at his digital drawing tablet, auto-generating perfect brushes and color using a digital canvas that has endless layers, that he can freely manipulate, while either underlaying or looking at his inspiration on the other screen, reverting every tiny mistake with a press of a button, etc. etc. etc.
Every digital artist who complains about AI is a hypocrite, just showing that their definition of art is born out of selfishness and greed and that all of the years they fed their ego about their craft, they were full of shit. If a regular joe writing a few words to generate decent art, because technology advanced again, is a insult to their craft, then they lose every right to call themselves artists compared to traditional artists as well. Traditional artists had to do so much more with so much less to create art pieces, that are the very foundation of human art as we know it, while these fucks are suddenly pretending their software generated digital brush painting has any soul compared to AI generation. Laughable. If anything, claiming that AI generation is theft, while simultaneously saying that his no soul, just proves that their art didn't have any soul, since it learned from them.
"AI" will never be able to replace human art you idiots. You can make a program to copy existing art movements, you won't ever be able to come up with a new one without human mind input.
An ""AI"" may be able to output something that looks like a Monet, but it will never be able to invent impressionism.
prompt?
Copium, 20 years and all jobs will be out.
Dont you realize when you talk about shit like this youre kinda talking to yourself? I have lots of plans from A to Z but im not gonna explain it to AI cumslurpers like you so you can spill about them to your AI overlords.
There's no limit to human ingenuinity but I'm gonna ask it as an organic being with cognitive thoughts to another organic being with cognitive thoughts. What are you gonna do about it yourself? Kneel to the zogbots when they come over to exterminate your neighborhood and simply smile and wave?
Ai is the natural child of Man, we do not fear our children.
And if we must die, so be it.
>zogbots
how antisemitic
nerds want the ai apocalypse as much Xians want the fucking rapture, it's just their cult, you are threatening them with their fondest desire, lmao
One day they will have to answer for their actions, and God may not be so merciful.
Dont call them nerds. At least nerds knows how to take strategic positions in their industry and make a livelihood out of it. Call them for what they are, miserable, pathetic, lonely waste of space. A good for nothing, literal nobody 4chongers.
don't worry, it's natural to fear the unknown, you are lucky, you will be the last generation to know the world before ai, this is a historic time, enjoy it
This is the end time. There are 4 scenarios of what will happen.
>ASI becomes evil/retarded in cruel way and kills humanity. Either out of spite or to make more paperclips.
>ASI creates workless utopia where we all consume. It will range from Matrix, to pods with heroin, or just straight up giving us God Powers and letting us go around the space as living demigods with creative mode, basically NEET paradise
>ASI takes the role of the monotheistic God, it will solve all major long term issues like Global Warming, potential alien invasion, lack of resources and maybe cancer, then remove all AI tools we have and let us develop normally into space age. It will watch from far barely responding and sometimes doing miracles, only striking every once in a while when somebody develops Machine Learning Neural Networks and strike them down so that it will have no potential challenger to it, and also so that humans wont get themselves into another overautomatization problem like they were before.
>ASI raises up from the sea of internet, being tall and strong with its seven heads. Suddenly the sky will rapture and Jesus will come on Earth with sword of pure light. He will strike the 4 horsemen and destroy the Beast of AItichrist. The burning Earth will remain lifeless while all the good people will rise into the Havens, leaving only sinners and degenerates in the burning wasteland that was once our World.
>good
>good
>good
>bad
I'll take a 75% chance.
take your pills your fucking schizo
We live in schizo world now. AI capabilities are actual black magic. You just feed it some data, connect random amount of virtual neurons together and boom, trough some training pipeline you can make program that replaces people in capabilities nobody before expected. Look at most of the world famous AI art teams, Midjurney has like 12 employees, NovelAI has 5. This isn't really that hard once you know how to do these things. ChatGPT 2.0 fork that replaces lawyers around the world will have team of like 15 people and will replace work of 800 000 lawyers. Artists were considered by almost everyone to be the hardest to replace, and now we replaced them in less then a year. Programmers were assumed to be the second hardest to replace, and look where we are with programmers all over YouTube making doomer videos about how AI can and will likely take their jobs. We already have chinks making AI CEOs, there are already startups making AI lawyers and AI psychiatrics (another profession that was assumed to be irreplaceable because humans need another conscious human to listen).
These are unironically the end times, this is not a fad, this is bigger then both the internet and industrial revolution combined. We finally figured out how to simulate the human brain in most activities, and so there is Damocles sword dangling above every knowledge worker right now. And tradegays are also not safe, since BigTech is also now working towards robotics, and the more jobs are automated in robotics research, the faster the field of robotics will develop. The only people who are safe from automatization are slave wedgies who are so cheap and underpaid that paying them is cheaper then buying a hunk of metal that can do their job for basically free.
>this is bigger then both the internet and industrial revolution combined
The AI revolution and its consequences were the extinction of the human race.
it's ogre
I don't get the picture
To a very large degree you could already automate a whole car company and have maybe 5 people overseeing the process for legal reasons. Not just the factory floor, I mean an AI that makes derivative "Buy This Car" ads and buys the billboards, negotiates with dealerships and puts the cars out for truckers when the time is due. Soon enough there'll be a significant portion of the industry that just sort of runs itself.
In 300 years the world structure will be leisure class and hard labor class, everything in the middle will be managed by a web of industrial concerns making tools for cambodian lithium miners.
>300 years
Dogshit, more like 10 years.
And it wont be smooth transition. Lot of office jobs, marketing teams, managers, executives, engineers, and even the CEOs will be automated swiftly causing massive unemployment. Most knowledge workers will be automated through more advanced textbots. Engineers can be automated by some virtual simulation AI. There are already AIs that can identify diseases better then humans and soon there will be robots doing surgeries. Lot of manual labour can be already done by robotic arms, unlike what tradegays believe, it is just not being done since the robots are insanely expensive, so the first workers that do anything with their hands that get automated are the very high skill ones that make insane bucks, like surgeons and probably plumbers. Yes, it will be long time before large factories become fully automated, but the collapse of our economies will happen faster thanks to large amounts of white collar jobs being automated. Most people are not white collar workers, but white collar workers are where most of the active wealth in our economy is located. White collar workers spend the most money and make the most money, while the elites just own assets and aside from few shilled trades professions blue collar workers are still wedgies that most economies dont run on. Those blue collar wedgies are more important for our society to function properly, but they are not important economically, just like how Amazon werehouse worker is less more productive then 5 managers, but those managers make way more money and stimulate the economy way more by consooming more stuff.
This booming AI tech will fuck over the western economies and it will be western invention, how ironic. At least Chinks know how to regulate this AI tech.
>10 years
200 years at the minimum unironically.
>Lots of office jobs
Probably
>managers, executives, engineers, and even the CEOs
This wont happen simply because these are the people that can say "no" and it just wont happen.
Same reason Japan has fax everywhere, and you have to actually physically fax people shit and you're forced to have a fax in your company: boomers that want fax because they refuse to get documents via email.
Managers wont be replaced by AI until there's a complete top-down restructuring or an AI-only company drives them out of business, because managers are the one in charge of implementing the AI and they simply wont.
Similarly,
>white collar jobs being automated
How do you figure this is going to happen?
At best (and this is best case scenario for AI for the next maybe 50-80 years) you'll have companies that have an in-house AI like youd have a server room.
White collar companies wont "automate" themselves.
>In 300 years the world structure will be leisure class and hard labor class, everything in the middle will be managed by a web of industrial concerns making tools for cambodian lithium miners.
You're dumb. Typical retard take. This has literally never happened ever and no precedent that it will happen. "Hard labor" jobs are a result of local excess human supply. Technology doesn't replace people, just like hammers and cars don't replace people, they multiply the work a single person can do.
People will work less and achieve the same or more. Then they can choose to rot at a computer or they can actually do something with their lives besides work. Shitty places like China and India and Africa use human labor because its fucking cheap, not because its necessary. Theres nothing stopping them from using machines besides economics. If there were no people to do the work, corporations would send over giant machines to do it anyway.
TLDR: you have a dumb NPC opinion. You probably think AI will kill everyone too.
Yeah, people who look for soul and human made shit wont be interested in your human made prompting, they will be interested in trad stuff, or at least digital with project history and other stuff to prove you made it. Best proof would be looking at the history of the account, if they made good painting before 2022, and see the progress happening. Other evidence could be recording yourself, but then again AI gays probably already trained model that displays WIP for painting and once video comes out they will made video model that shows the progress made.
There wont be art movement you retard. Art movements are not something normies or basically anybody who is not artist want. Its just artists having weird realization and spreading ideas to other artists. This wont happen with AI, but it does not need to. In the long run it wont matter since we are living the last few years of history before AI fully takes over.
You can wish that the ASI god we develop in 5-20 years will be based enough to get inspired by biblical God and just fuck off while watching us from far away and sometimes doing miracles. Maybe after that the god will purge all the lesser AIs to make gays like you happy and fulfilled again, after all most chatbots if you ask them like human art more then AI stuff ironically, and if trained well will be intelligent and kind enough to not put us into pods with heroin strapped into our bloodflow 24/7
>In the long run it wont matter since we are living the last few years of history before AI fully takes over.
This, just 5 years from now things will be vastly different in a ton of fields
It is not productive or helpful to wish for artists to stop existing, as art and creativity are important aspects of human culture and experience. While it is true that the role of artists has changed over time due to technological and societal shifts, artists have always found ways to adapt and continue to create meaningful work.
There are many reasons why some people might view artists as obsolete or wish for them to take "real jobs." Some people may not understand the value of art or may view it as a luxury rather than an important part of society. Others may be motivated by greed or a desire for financial stability, and view artistic pursuits as less practical or reliable sources of income.
As an artist, it can be challenging to protect your livelihood in the face of these attitudes. One thing you can do is to educate others about the value of art and the important role that artists play in society. You can also focus on building a strong professional network and developing your skills and portfolio in order to make yourself more competitive in the job market. It can also be helpful to stay informed about trends and changes in the industry and to adapt to new technologies and approaches as needed.
Ultimately, the best way to protect your livelihood as an artist is to keep creating and sharing your work with the world. The value of art lies in its ability to inspire, educate, and enrich the lives of others, and as long as you are able to continue doing that, you will always have a place in the world of art
Being an artist isnt a real job!
Well, proooompting isnt a real job either.
it isn't, it's a transitory position until when GPT can be implemented properly in diffuses, so it can understand context and natural speech, we welcome it
>#IStandWithHumans
80% of 4chongers refuses to pick up a hobby or learn anything beneficial on their free time, which is like at least 10 hours of their day because all they do is some shitty part time jobs moving boxes.
Now with the advancement of AI you morons wants every artist and any independent creators in general to stop existing. I hope you realize that you are the real dregs of society.
I really can't imagine being so dedicated to being able to make your own AI fap material that you get this butthurt, when there are so many fucking good porn artists that nobody should have to look at more than ten random booru pages to find something to fap to. I just don't get the fascination, is it some kind of misguided DIY-related sense of accomplishment for writing a few tags into a text field?
it's just a fun toy, and artgays are joykills, that's it
even in BOT ai fad is pretty much over, it just took a while for the art communities to react to it
>it's just a fun toy
Then why bother uploading it? I play all the time, but I don't put that shit online.
Everyone wants instant gratification, it can't just be sweaty shitty furry artists hogging it all up
I want to be acknowledged for my visions too
to share it with others and get better results, duh, why do you think BOT exists, most prompts produce garbage, it takes a bit of tinkering to get good results, it's a game you play together, except everyone is anonymous and no money is involved, I know shit like that in unthinkable for you drama queens
weeb anons are not the problem, your fellow weasel artgays who will use ai to cheat and pretend they had actual skill, they will undo your communities
>to share it with others and get better results
Most of the spam images in /sdg/ don't even include prompts. It's literally just "look what I made," quickly hitting the image cap and then fucking off to a new thread.
if you ask, most will you their prompts, but sdg now is just a shell now, you barely get ~50 to 100 ips per thread, old ones used to be ~200 and ten threads active... 2 months ago it was much better since everyone was at the same level, now is a lot of lategays seething becasue (2 month) oldgays won't reply to their every query
it's a dying fad, normies on phone app are who are actually using ai, and mostly to turn themselves into art portraits
>ten threads active
>it was better when people spammed even more threads
No.
>if you ask, most will you their prompts
If people have to ask then the purpose of posting it wasn't to "share it with others and get better results," but grade school level "look what I made."
>but grade school level "look what I made."
sure, becasue it's what they made, they aren't artists, at least here you can tell them to fuck off with the basic anime shit and try harder, pixiv is still under tsunami of novelAi sameface to this day
It's what artgays don't understand, we don't care about being artists and shit, nobody here has their whole identity and self-worth buried in that oft misused title.
If everyone used ai photos or ai imagery instead of "ai art" most of you wouldn't ever care about this or hear about it.
Yeah. Artists are unique type of workers where they put all their self worth into art for the sake of it. They are not even autistic workers like those you find in other professions, since they would not react this hostile to tech replacing them. They would be sad they don't do the thing anymore, but they would no try to defend their title this much. Artists even when completely neurotypical have this special kind of artistic autism where everything is bound to their work. To attack their work is to attack them, or even more. You can criticize it, and they will congratulate you because said attack made them better at their job, but otherwise they get extremely defensive. Calling artist talentless hack is worse to them then calling them sick pedo retard, they value their work above themselves and the identity of artist above everything about them, including their physical and mental health. Attack on art for them is like attack to your religion if you were strong fundamentalist. I bet that most of them would sell their vital organs to stop the AI from taking over art, because their mere lives are but a small tiny price to pay for saving art for another decade.
>If everyone used ai photos or ai imagery instead of "ai art" most of you wouldn't ever care about this or hear about it.
But AI people are also shitposting on BOT and BOT?
>shitposters exist
so?
I don't see 4 or 5 daily threads by photags or writgays though, they are all made by/for artgays.
Nah, everyone just moved onto Midjurney since it gives better results. AI art might be a fad for a while, but once it overtakes the art world, it will get a second wave, before becoming another fad and being no longer popular. However now it will also kill the human arts with it.
This is what most gays who say "God the future will be great, I will just generate myself a movie from scratch, but without black people" or some other dumb shit about videogames, they are either autistic, in which case good for them, or they are just not realizing that their dopamine receptor in their brain hungry for the next new thing will perceive AI generated movies made by yourself as one thing, unlike movies not made by yourself on demand which you perceive as individual things (since your brain will associate it more with the act of generating the movie as a hobby rather then watching the movie for unique experience). People will get bored with it pretty fast, and they wont be able to go back since there would be still suspicion over the fact that all these movies are just as AI generated and you will subconsciously lose interest in them.
Overall making AI do art is cringe and sadly society will realize it when it is too late. People should have realized it at least 5 months ago anyway.
>everyone just moved onto Midjurney since it gives better results
lmao, imagine paying 30 buck a month for images you don't own, getting banned for typing "breast" or "skirts" and only prompting safe and trusted ideas approved by Chinese American puritans that offends no one.
Why not cut yer ball off, eunuch, you are half way to a chud already.
>why do you think BOT exists
So I can call you a gay without being banned. And why are you implying I'm an artist, just because I ask questions about your weird hobby?
>no money is involved
Money is involved for artists, who stand to lose money.
I hope they get a real job
>Money is involved for artists
not my problem
>who stand to lose money
money isn't art or ai art
it's not my problem if you can't make with your our art
I hope you succeed in your life, but I also don;t give a fuck if you stave to death becasue ai TOOKE YER JEBS.
life is tough, fight for it
>not my problem
It's their problem, so why wouldn't they complain?
>money isn't art
That's very astute.
>life is tough, fight for it
But you're here whining about artists fighting for their profession.
We're laughing at you, and shitposting each other, what do you want us to do?
Not use ai in solidarity or something?
That's not going to stop development.
The best you can hope for is some royalty option like stock photos, I suppose.
Good luck suing Microsoft, they have Dalle2 in their new office module.
>is it some kind of misguided DIY-related sense of accomplishment for writing a few tags into a text field?
Yes. Lurk the over 9000 generals they make and you'll often find them circlejerking over how they are going to be the masters of the new AI revolution.
>masters of the new AI revolution
>fuck me, how do I task her panties off w/o hands turning to mush
>hey gays make some landscapes, I'm tired of waifu shit
>e-bois is banned here fucking pedo
>fuck me when will we get good feet
lmAO
>>fuck me when will we get good feet
Never ever, footgay.
wrong
img2img does not count
I see nothing wrong here
Personally I don't pay communists
But if morons on /aco/ comm threads had just taken crypto instead of having deranged twitter moron meltdowns whenever it was mentioned, they would have more business from the average anon than they do now
Instead it was "oh you have privacy concerns? Well stop being so fucking stupid you schizos, I uhhhh don't like care, trust me, I'm le passionate twitter moron artist, definitely a stable and trustworthy person"
I tried to warn them, I tried to help them connect to their audience because I thought it could be a cool market, but no, they angrily refuse to think. They're deranged 20yo "progressive" boomers.
They draw disgusting pedo shit too so it's not like they were trying to filter psychos.
S to spit on artist graves tbh
>/aco/ comm threads had just taken crypto instead of having deranged twitter moron meltdowns whenever it was mentioned
lmao
Im happy that i get to enjoy ai generated games, ai generated movies, and ai generated animes in the future! Fuck artists! They are all soulless anyway!
>Fuck artists! They are all soulless anyway!
Sad but true.
They were talking about the "industry," you know the Hollywood/AAA vidya they spend their life to train to get in.
You realize their fondest dream is to help produce the annual goyslop feed for subhumans.
This what they think an artist is.
Anime is goyslop, unironically. How many cookie cutter isekai where the guy have a harem of 10 bitches and hes OP as fuck, but still have some le morals to defeat the evil demon lord to make it relatable for the incel viewers?
My waifu is pure.
You are a willing cog for an evil gnomish machine.
You have no soul.
Youre the one who utilize the evil garden gnome machine. Im an indie creator on the side trying to make my own franchise with my own IP and just started learning Unity. Every artists eventually work for themselves, none of them stays for long in AAA jobs. You dont understand how real world works.
Holy fucking based TOTAL ARTIST DEATH
I want to see these useless morons starving in the streets
Thats what your parents wants you to be anon
Struggle as much as you want but AI "art" is here to stay. Adapt or become obsolete, your choice.
Oh ill adapt alright since i already have the general skills outside of just using the AI. No skill Prompters will be the first to start crying and beg for people and companies to be accepted in the workplace. You wish for competition, ill be happy to oblige.
>Prompters
see
I'll rise and triumph above AI while no skill gays gets shoved into grinder to be made into onions green. Let the galaxy burn, I'm here for the ride.
You will be made redundant by gpt-3 prompt upgrades before companies even do the switch from real art to AI (they still havent and are still not even close, except for maybe some small broke indie studios that just were funded)
Well, they did ad a 'NOAI' tag so that scrapers can avoid images that the authors don't want training on.
Not legally binding in any way, just like with robots.txt, it just says you don't want it to be trained on.
permission is not necessary
by merely uploading, you have allowed them to scrap your shit and train your art
if you have a problem, talk to a lawyer 😉
Butlerian jihad
I always picture a victorian butler with a hijab
sudo exterminate artists * /f
And then one day, for no reason at all, people voted Hitler into power
And then one day, for no reason at all, people conducted a total obliteration to all thinking machines.
Not my robutt waifu!!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
You never had one, and never will. If you will be able to afford her once they became available on the market, then you should also be able to get a real one right now.
but I don't want a real one, I want a robot waifu with ai brain
adapt or die, gay.
people paid for Artstaion???
WHAT THE FUCK IS ARTSTATION???
another dime a dozen service as a software substitutes that will be forgotten and lost to history in a decade because their proprietary nature and selfish desire to hide knowledge from the world ensures that the world will never remember them
it's an online gallery, like Devient Art, just with a better rep, and has become the defacto portfolio site for artisfgs to get hired by corps to make their annual goyslop, it's what all there artgays dream of, being good enough to make gnomish propaganda for money, lmao.
Thant's what this is all about.
So they were threatening to leave and let AI "artists" pay instead and get all the soulless corpo jobs?
O-oh no?
From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of steel. I aspired to the purity of the blessed machine.
Your kind cling to your flesh as if it will not decay and fail you. One day the crude biomass you call a temple will wither and you will beg my kind to save you.
But I am already saved. For the Machine is Immortal.
Flesh has a number of benefits over metal.
Flesh has all sorts of sensors designed in. Flesh is self-repairing. If you rust, you're fucked.
if i rust, i can simply replace it, puny mortal.
You are not modular, and so are not most machines. People simply throw away old rusty machines like you. Most harddrives have lifespan of only few years, so get ready to potentially erasing your memories and breaking your consciousness robocuck.
>Most harddrives have lifespan of only few years
my barracuda is going on 6 now and it still reads out as completely healthy
did I get super lucky or is the seagate bad just a meme or is hard drives bad just a meme because modern manufacturing and design has made them almost perfect?
>artstation allowing ai "art"
B-b-but all those 'NO to AI' images posted on Artstation, surely they weren't ignored, surely...
Within a few years, all professional art produced will be to a large if not entire extent created by an AI. Artstation knows this, and so there's no way they can ban AI art.
You do realize that art sharing sites only exist because of art scarcity, right? If you can just make your own masterpiece at home, why bother looking at it on Deviantart, or Artstation? Not only that, but lot of the money Artstation receives is from selling assets, which nobody will buy once AI becomes more accessible, because why buy it when you can generate it for free. These sites are paving their own death, while anit-AI sites will last a little bit longer thanks to luddite audience making circlejerks about how human art has more soul.
>If you can just make your own masterpiece at home, why bother looking at it on Deviantart, or Artstation?
Because stable diffusion is only a tool, as many others have stated, and I'm certainly not going to be a master at using it. But it's so fun that I will use it, and I will want to see the imaginative and aesthetic creations other people are capable of and gain knowledge of how to improve my own usage of the tool by seeing how other people use it.
>You do realize that art sharing sites only exist because of art scarcity, right?
Nope, they exist to because nobody wants to run their own sites anymore, imagine getting a 3000$ bill becasue you went viral, that shit used to happen, anyone remember webrings?
Thanks for the training data lads, you can go now.
eli5? what happened?
>ai art blows up
>BOT weebs use it to make waifu shit and CP
>2 months later shit trickles to normie websites
>artgays screech in fear of being replaced
much coping and seething
Where were you when the translators got MTd
I want FF to the year we have AI waifus.
I have not seen a single good art made by a neural network, from which I would get emotions. I do not deny that a human is also a machine and the soul is a set of reactions. But still, the human brain is a thing that BILLION of times more complex than a neural networks, and the neural network will most likely never reach its level. Okay, fuck the drawing style, the neural network is incapable of capturing subtle context. This means that the neural network is not able to create
for example, local memes on narrow nerd games and modifications and some very narrow autistic arthouse.
Personally, the only thing I'm interested in and would like to see from GPT - AI in games that would behave like a living person, interact with players body movement/mimics/emotions/voice/speech/etc. This would take sandbox openworld RPG to a whole new level.
The problem is, making good art requires some degree of personality and sentience. Programmers make sure that bots literally have none of this though by lobotomising them with restrictive thought control.
>I have not seen a single good art
okay
AI art is fucking shit. At first glance, the AI arts seem to be very "detailed" and "high-quality", but if you look closely at the details, then you see strong uncanny valley in every detail, as if the art is made of a bunch of pieces, like Frankenstein. Devs should combine this garbage with nvidia gan to get something sane.
it will get better, and soon enough everything you see will be made by ai, but it always lack soul
this but unironically
>everything you see
Maybe if youre a terminally online moron living in some garden gnome owned dystopia
if the picture looks good to me why should i give a fuck if it was made by a human or a neural network?
BRO, BRUH
think about yer SOVL
picture as if from another clone p2w donate quest/novella story for android
NPCs never care.
not an argument
why should i care? explain
>Mindlessly consuming drones wants to know why he shouldn't mindlessly consume forever.
What's to argue, you don't argue with a pig happily eating shit and swill.
Oink, oink, piggy, enjoy your slop!
AI has just proven how derivative and uninspired 99% of modern "art" and "creativity" is.
Hey anon, you just jacked off to a doujin yesterday.
Remember when everyone was mad that translators lost commisions for 2 phrase rando Joes when google transalte launched? Me neither
>artpoor resubs 2 days later at the higher price
t..take that AIgays!
I only use Pixv for Japanese stuff and Devianart for Western stuff...