Are the ai schizos right? This is driving me crazy.

Are the ai schizos right? This is driving me crazy. They're saying all the white collar jobs are going bye-bye and the only jobs left will be physical. What is the probability of this happening and what is the timeline

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It won't happen in your lifetime. Instead AI is stalling out and nobody has practical uses they can trust it for to do shit like that so the more realistic problem is it turns into a repeat of the 2000 dotcom crash where you get laid off because none of the things your employer and everyone investing in the stock market was betting on get delivered.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      AI isn't the threat to you OP, it's the refusal or negligence of governments to be willing to support the wellbeing of their populations when imminent technological revolution threatens them. AI taking jobs isn't nefarious, ideally we would like to have a utopian world where nobody needs to work, but that's only possible in tandem with creating a more rational and equitable distribution of resources among humanity, the inability to do which is totally at the feet of powerful humans.

      Literally delusional. This is like a weaver in 1815 saying that the mechanical loom doesn't have human dexterity so its utility is limited, or a horse-and-buggy salesman saying cars will never replace horses because they are too complicated for an individual to maintain.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's more like saying someone in the year 1400 won't see a mechanical loom in their lifetime.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Depends whether the people who control the AI are willing to share the riches it will reap rather than use it to disempower and subjugate you.
        What do you think? You think Sam Altman and Elon Musk are on your side?
        Common people can still exert some force in society through bargaining with their labor.
        What will we have left when our labor is made redundant and all you can do is pleading for gibs and mercy?

        even if ubi does happen you have to understand only the job-havers will prosper
        Who will women flock to? The job havers. Not to mention the ubicels will be poor and needy

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >job-havers
          Which will be an ever-shrinking pool of people

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah but the job-havers will get tons of pussy while the ubicels rot
            You won't want to be a ubicel

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Who will women flock to? The job havers.
          lies
          the only thing women flock to is attractive people and, to some degree, obscenely powerful people
          job havers aren't, and won't be, obscenely powerful

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think the probability is high. Our system is not suited to take care of a populace where the majority cant find work. Also, there isnt enough physical labor jobs to go around, so even if thats all thats left most of us will still be unemployed. No one knows the timeline because ai growth is exponential and unpredictable. But I can guarantee it will be sooner than anyone thinks.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Depends whether the people who control the AI are willing to share the riches it will reap rather than use it to disempower and subjugate you.
    What do you think? You think Sam Altman and Elon Musk are on your side?
    Common people can still exert some force in society through bargaining with their labor.
    What will we have left when our labor is made redundant and all you can do is pleading for gibs and mercy?

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    schizos be right

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    no, ai is not going to keep jobs like everyone says, it's expensive to implement and maintain, but they'll threaten you with it all the same to keep menial job low paid, it's just a smokescreen

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. Nothing like that is happening with AI but they will try to exploit people's fears of it to make money however they can

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The entire world population are going to be AI technicians? moron. Especially as at some point AI systems will be able to maintain and improve itself throughout its entirety.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >ai technician
        you're a fricking moron who doesn't understand how 'ai' works or scales, you're exactly the kind of moron they want

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    physical jobs will be replaced too

    robots are coming for that

    probably using some type of AI on top of that

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If the rich will control AI (99% chance yes), the schizophrenics are right

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    AI will take all jobs lol even physical, the only thing AI is not known to be capable of doing is the Observer effect.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Butlerian Jihad soon Break open the spice and let it flow.

    t. Future Mentat

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    AI is just a calculator with more inputs and extra steps
    calculators replaced jobs that made bead counters but opened a whole host of new jobs
    technology does not destroy jobs, only revolutionizes them. it is capitalists and economic manipulation that destroy jobs

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Say AI replaces all current jobs. What exactly are you imagining 8 billion people occupy themselves with to not descend into squalor?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's a gradual roll out. With segments of society slowly being marginalized into a 15 minute Palastinian style human inventory manaagement system.

        Those that can adapt will get their UBI as long as they can keep feeding the machine. Those that are unscupulous and ill suited will do the lucrative off the books jobs for the owners and serve as an example of life out of the system while terrorizing border regions. I'd imagine they will either drag it out a few generations while they perfect ectogenesis chambers and slowly sterilize everyone or go full artilect war.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          anything that requires actual research, discovery, education, dynamic diagnostics, unknown variables, creativity, etc
          your understanding of AI is extremely flawed and science fiction, nothing to do with actual computer science and machine learning. AI is not a supercomputer with superhuman intelligence. AI is algorithms with self-correcting feedback loops that are incredibly susceptible to any externalities. that is because AI cannot do anything except follow its programmed instruction, which becomes incredibly limited as it becomes more specific.
          Human beings will fill all those externalities and still need to create, maintain, and evolve algorithms - like we do with any programs or algos.
          if you are too low IQ to understand that, then you deserve to be jobless

          AI already uses all the functions of the human brain aside from the Observer effect, I would bet $1 trillion on it.
          There's literally going to be no breakthroughs in AI anymore except for parameter count and once the parameter count is high enough all those things you listed AI will be able to accomplish.
          OpenAI and Microsoft are building a $100 billion supercomputer and the AI that will be able to generate will replace ~99-100% of jobs permanently.
          This $16k robot can already do soldering https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzX1qOIO1bE

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's not just white-collar jobs. We're building robots to do pretty much all labor jobs. Most places will be filled with these robots.

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            Man we're so fricked.
            You think it will be difficult to manufacture a hundred million robots though?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So things will become bad beyond comprehension. Which is my point.

          anything that requires actual research, discovery, education, dynamic diagnostics, unknown variables, creativity, etc
          your understanding of AI is extremely flawed and science fiction, nothing to do with actual computer science and machine learning. AI is not a supercomputer with superhuman intelligence. AI is algorithms with self-correcting feedback loops that are incredibly susceptible to any externalities. that is because AI cannot do anything except follow its programmed instruction, which becomes incredibly limited as it becomes more specific.
          Human beings will fill all those externalities and still need to create, maintain, and evolve algorithms - like we do with any programs or algos.
          if you are too low IQ to understand that, then you deserve to be jobless

          Can you give me a single reason as to why AI wouldn't be able to perform any of the shit you just mentioned. Since AI systems are self-correcting they can only become more and more accurate with time. AI isn't dangerous necessarily because it supercedes humans but rather because it performs more and more efficiently and reliably in an increasing number of tasks.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        anything that requires actual research, discovery, education, dynamic diagnostics, unknown variables, creativity, etc
        your understanding of AI is extremely flawed and science fiction, nothing to do with actual computer science and machine learning. AI is not a supercomputer with superhuman intelligence. AI is algorithms with self-correcting feedback loops that are incredibly susceptible to any externalities. that is because AI cannot do anything except follow its programmed instruction, which becomes incredibly limited as it becomes more specific.
        Human beings will fill all those externalities and still need to create, maintain, and evolve algorithms - like we do with any programs or algos.
        if you are too low IQ to understand that, then you deserve to be jobless

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If price scales with performance you're looking at hundred quadrillion/quintillion parameter AI models with that $100 billion supercomputer.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I think by the quintillion mark we're going to see AI writing entire programs so even if ends up being a $1 trillion supercomputer or a $100 billion supercomputer with parts ~7 years from now even programming will be largely/completely replaced by AI.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >AI cannot do anything except follow its programmed instruction
          AI is an overhyped meme but that's the one thing it actually is an improvement on and isn't doing. The whole point of AI is instead of explicitly programming instructions for how to do tasks like with normal programming you instead program something that can acquire its own tendencies for how it'll respond to future input based on experience it'll get from other inputs that you won't necessarily know anything about yourself.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >AI cannot do anything except follow its programmed instruction
          AI is an overhyped meme but that's the one thing it actually is an improvement on and isn't doing. The whole point of AI is instead of explicitly programming instructions for how to do tasks like with normal programming you instead program something that can acquire its own tendencies for how it'll respond to future input based on experience it'll get from other inputs that you won't necessarily know anything about yourself.

          Although that's with the caveat that someone could take an instance of AI and start applying explicit instructions based programming to it after the fact to prevent it from doing shit you don't want it to. Google is having to do that now after their attempt with AI search resulted in lots of moronic answers.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      VRMMO roleplay is not a job and in the best case scenario that's where everyone is headed.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's not just white-collar jobs. We're building robots to do pretty much all labor jobs. Most places will be filled with these robots.

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