AI this, robots that...
When are we getting cybernetic augmentation, mind uploading, life extension technology and all the good stuff?
AI this, robots that...
AI this, robots that...
For the common people? Not in your lifetime.
>For the common people? Not in your lifetime.
The elite and super rich will not use it on themselves only, they will share it with the world - or the worthy. They know they have to give up all their wealth and become a normie in the new world, or they face annihilation from the masses.
Alternatively they could decide to become evil immortal vampires praying on the poor, but I belie they are too lazy and normie for that lifestyle.
If they were truly in control as people they would realise that we're probably not alone and we need to adapt ourselves as a species to have any sort of competitive advantage against anything unknown out there.
But unfortunately the terror of uprising is so pervasive that their only thought is of gaining leverage, hence why people like Bill Gates spread mosquitoes modified to carry the diseases that his vaccines stop. It's almost like a protection racket. Almost. But that anxiety is more differentially enacted upon as hive phenomena in organisations.
Ironically I'm not even convinced that some of the elites are aware of what they're doing. It's becoming clear to me that organisations are so "naturally" designed (or in other words bred by the consumer demand and mere circumstances around these orgs) that they become a systematically enforced racket, not a mere human intention based racket.
This is why things like pharma companies are out of control (especially pharma because I feel that most of the employees in that industry are high as a fucking kite with their innovations nowadays).
People think about these things in human terms, but really you have treat corporations like rogue AI that control their human peons. Only then do you begin to grasp the gravity of the situation. It's not merely figurative, it's a macro-organism. They behave like this. Hell that's how genocide happens.
While we all probably are aware of this with our stances, something tells me that is not the case entirely within organisations.
You should look up terms orgs use when they push for recruits, things like "neuro-diverse" employees which are required to better harden the mind of the macro-organism.
The power of the subconscious is terrifying.
Interesting perspective but I wouldn't say that I fully buy into the idea that corporations are like rogue AI, but It's definitely possible that some corporations have taken on a life of their own and behave more like it than a collection of individuals. Perhaps a fear of the unknown and the urge for control and power has caused some organizations to behave in unethical ways. But who really knows? It's all just speculation at this point.
Corporations behaving like sociopaths have been widespread in the media for a long time. When it is the survival of the fittest, I doubt the situation will get any better any time soon.
I think the neuro-diverse situation just a fancy way of saying they want a diverse group of people with different skills and perspectives. But it's also possible that there's some deeper meaning behind it that we're not aware of.
It's fascinating to think about the power dynamics at play within corporations and how they may be influencing the world in ways we don't even realize.
>but It's definitely possible that some corporations have taken on a life of their own and behave more like it than a collection of individuals
It's been happening since ancient times.
It's been called an "Egregore", but that's unscientific so I mislabel it merely as macrocosm or macrocosmic organism.
I used to think these things were commonly known, but some people still call them conspiracies.
We used to take the piss out of them in video games and movies. That's how much the fear the anxiety of being perceived as "strange" or "abnormal" in this world is.
Which is ironic when you think about what we're talking about here.
>he wants transhumanism
In the mean time, anons can't even cope with transgender humans. What makes you think this is a good idea in 2020+3?
Look anon, all I want is my own commune of biologically immortal pale skinned isolationist cyborgs. I don't care if they want to switch genders.
It's a matter of aesthetics and mental balance. Most trannies don't pass and usually are not mentally balanced.
This is true, I have no problem with transgender people as long as they are aesthetically pleasing
It's completely different. By being a chud you mutilate the most important parts of your body, the reproductive organs.
On the other hand, you'll be perfectly fine if you have a robotic arm or leg. It isn't mental illness.
anon's point is not about being a gay, but that people are scared shittless of any changes, especially something new and eventually people start hating on it
Not him, but yeah, this is understandable to me, but the thing is, human augmentation and life extension tech actually makes practical sense for a regular person, especially once you get older and start to feel it. It could make you stronger, healthier, extended your lifespan not just to be bedridden but healthy enough to do things you would like to do.
That's progress. Not AI shit that will be used to squeeze money out of you somehow or something like that.
Also, transgenderism is not even a new phenomenon, look up third gender thing among some Pacific islanders, it's a different sort of topic.
We all know that the rich will gatekeep this technology and the social gap between rich and poor will be irreversible, we will be practically different species.
On the other hand, we might see some shit like:
>YOU VILL PAY FOR YOUR 300+ YEARS LIFE SUBSCRIPTION AND YOU VILL BE HAPPY
>DIDN'T PAY GOY?
>SHUT IT DOWN!
Basically, pick your poison.
You should see In Time (2011) and Gattaca (1997).
The thing is, there is still hopes and chances to change that and stop people who would do that. On the other hand, if you don't go for such tech in the first place then it's a guaranteed dead end.
I think you will find most people could understand giving yourself better parts, as compared to saying men can have babies.
>In the mean time, anons can't even cope with transgender humans.
Here, I fixed it for you
"In the mean time, anons can't even cope with mentally ill people"
>therefore, transhumanist are also mentally ill people
If they pretend they are someone else and demand from others to accept that, then yes they are
>year is 2069
>epsilon generation starts the "body revolution"
>older generations like alpha and beta are seething
>globohomo won and they accepted trasgender people long way ago
>"transhumans rights are human rights"
>"you will never be a machine fr fr"
>"transhumans are valid!"
>the cycle repeats with another revolution
Make it stop
The point of transhumanism is to become better now worse. And one of the concepts often aligned with transhumanism is postgender (Think robots, energy beings, etc). Trannies and their obsession with gender to the point of psychosis is the absolute antithesis of that.
>The point of transhumanism is to become better
Actually, the first proper implementation of it would be a weapon of mass destruction.
Think about it.
You could enslave an entire race by lobotomising their faculties to merely giving the master race blowjobs when they ask for it.
Things are about to get really spooky and lewd ay.
The space elves did warn us about slaanesh after all.
Transgender humans is self-mutilation and a mental health problem and body dysmorphia that should be treated with therapy. Transhumanism is augmenting your eyes to see in the dark or augmenting your muscles so you can run forever.
robo arms are cool and trannies are disgusting
Literally only nuBOT and cuckservative grifters care about a thousandth of a percent of the population this much. The only relation between that group and "transhumanism" is the prefix "trans". Are you going to shit your pants over TRANSmissions and TRANSceivers next? Fucking snowflake.
Augmentations to improve thinking, vision, hearing? Nothing but positive potential. Actual, fully functional prosthetic limbs? Cures to diseases and injuries? Only a fool would be opposed to that.
>Literally only nuBOT and cuckservative grifters care about a thousandth of a percent of the population this much.
I have tbs of porn of them.
It's more of an addiction nowadays.
The opposition to trannies is entirely a christgay psyop to normalize the mentality that you don’t own your body. If you can stop adults from ingesting hormones because it “harms society” and is “unnatural” then the same argument will be used against you getting body upgrades. Why else would trannies would only now be such a focus even though they have existed for decades? Because CRISPR now exists and soon neuralink competitors will too.
I am the only uncucked individual on BOT. Only I can see the greater picture at work here.
>a christgay psyop
I had no idea they has so much influence.
The church is one of the oldest institutions and still has immense power today. They have their own micro nation.
But the reality is that the rich want to restrict body modification to their own and create a new species to rule over everyone else, so the church is a very useful ally and attack dog to achieve this goal
They literally dominate half the world anon, all the west world. We can't ignore those fuckers.
dude they literally rule the conservatives in most western countries.
The funny thing about transgender people, is that when the rest of humanity transcends from our bodies one way or another, they will be stuck in their human form refusing to evolve - or else transgenderism was a lie.
They’ll just become girly sexbots, based. Imagine a world where sex and race are extinct and you can just choose what you want to be. The biological lottery will disappear.
>They’ll just become girly sexbots
What if they can choose to become a bio woman in that future? Why throw it all away and risk body dystopia?
Clearly the end goal is we all become the little girl
>anons can't even cope with transgender humans
But that's because it's just a meme to sterilise people and make them reliant to certain medications and the cult that endorses it.
Oh wait it's exactly like that.
I dunno, I just want to see where this hell leads, even if pharma will just exploit this for profit and control like always.
That's why the first real transhuman will be a victim of heinous biowarfare.
Are you a technological transhumanist?
Recommend me some books or internet articles
Honestly I won't recommend you anything beyond looking into fields that actually work on these things, because a lot of people seem to be bullshit peddlers. Not enough funding for these things to begin, even for simple anti aging research. Money should be put there instead of meme AI waifus and spying shit for ad money. All of that seems like a waste of money and more importantly time.
We should improve humans, not replace them.
>Honestly I won't recommend you anything beyond looking into fields that actually work on these things, because a lot of people seem to be bullshit peddlers
Nobody cares if it can't be done now, in the future it will inevitably be done and I want to read some of that stuff
Because no one cares about anything but money, and nobody gives a shit about future, only money and shiny soulless consumerism
And that sucks. Why waste time on that shit, can't take it to the grave with you anyway. I can be happy without that much money, problem is, you can't be happy for that much long as a squishy human.
A promise of a golden age is over. Past, future and longevity is what I care about.
Then we will have to make it available.
Human augmentation sure can be strange.
>Roboticists Want to Give You a Third Arm
>We think that extra robotic limbs could be a new form of human augmentation, improving people’s abilities on tasks they can already perform as well as expanding their ability to do things they simply cannot do with their natural human bodies.
you absolute fool! the ultimate goal of humanity should be to transfer our conscience to a computer and live in a virtual world of ENDLESS posibilities, you will live for a gorillon years in a super computer powered with the energy of our sun!
Shut up commie
Corporations don't like investing money in things that generate actual value or collaborating any more than is necessary and will use legislation to block others from engaging in this behavior where possible and even when this does not succeed it is entirely possible for 3rd parties or governments to block it on their own. So it will be slow going.
You will likely be very old by the time you have a fake self available to engage in social anxiety therapy with.
>It's actually very simple. We use the cover of solar flares to acquire a consciousness orb and then we subject the virtual inhabitant to endless agony while providing a fake all-clear signal for the rest of eternity.
It has evolved. You are now dealing with normalized ingroup-think, status signalling and stereotype adherence which manifests as mental illness to those in the outgroup. These are behaviors that can be pursued by your average human without exposure to and acceptance of immunizing viewpoints.
Is that really you though? Someone might likewise keep a virtual "you" in a state of euphoria forever if you're worried about the utilitarian equation your distributed self is subjected to.
>Is that really you though?
Anon, some of us already have an issue with that with our meat bags we call our current bodies.
This really doesn't change all that much.
>the ultimate goal of humanity should be to transfer our conscience to a computer and live in a virtual world of ENDLESS posibilities, you will live for a gorillon years in a super computer powered with the energy of our sun!
I disagree, the ultimate goal should be excessive chaos, pain and destruction by all means for the sake of the blood god.
based posthumanistGOD dabbing on chudhumanists
I thought we were all talking about Satan, what's this God riff raff?
silly optimist, we will evolve so far that the one you are now, does not matter in the full picture.
Unless you want to stay retarded?
Basically trans humanism is about breeding with yourself and give birth to new beings.
At the end of the day (you) DIE!
>we will evolve so far that the one you are now, does not matter in the full picture.
>he actually thinks he matters right now
Most of us were nothing from the start and everything we do is and will always be nothing.
But I can make some silly bots do tricks and fuck with people... so that's something.
It's entertaining at least.
>>he actually thinks he matters right now
Thread about people wanting to live for ever, well even you enhanced self will be very different to you2.0 and have nothing in common with you3.0.
You do not matter now and there is no escape from death unless you curse yourself to stay in the stay you are in now for all eternity. Nothing personal kid.
>Thread about people wanting to live for ever
Yeah, but for the purpose of perpetually tormenting people for lulz.
Death is just premature ejaculation.
If you think any of that tech will be available to the plebs then you're dreaming.
Hmm, is /cyb/ permitted again?
>available to the plebs
Sure, it will most likely cut down on expensive health care and social services.
/cyb/ is eternal (i wish). those threads dying actually killed my interest in hacking/security because I realized later how much of that interest was because of the sub-culture which doesn't exist anymore. mostly just focused on programming these days.
I just want a bigger penis
Shit dude you don't understand that le cyberpunk is a fucking dystopia? IS BAD, thats why is called fucking "punk".
I know it looks cool as fuck, but trust me, you don't want to live in one of those timelines.
We live in dystopia right now, might as well improve it some.
Mind uploading is suicide. A simulated brain is not conscious, but merely presents the outward illusion of being so. Transistors have no internal states, no qualia, they are merely silicon and gold and no "emergent" property therein can produce anything but the illusion of a person. To transfer one's consciousness to a machine is tantamount to killing oneself and allowing a lifeless puppet masquerade as them instead.
You could clone yourself synthetically like that, but it really wouldn't be your active system unless that clone is somehow electronically linked to you.
But we've already been implanting synthetic shit into brains for a while now and it's just werked. You could synthetically replace the parts of the brain slowly with a more robust (doubt that) synthetic emulating material and I bet your mind wouldn't even notice things that much. We already partially do this with pharmacology. Your perception will warp like fuck though, just like with any drug.
It would be a strange feeling at first, potentially an intoxicating experience.
I don't care lmao.
So what if it's a fake version of myself? It's the closest thing to having a memory kf me survive my death.
Its literally the greatest piece of art a human can create - a flawless clone of the self, endlessly reflected forever
If it works that way then yes, but assuming you can Ship of Theseus your organic brain into inorganic then who knows.
I don't think we're remotely close to just zapping your brain into a reconfigured synthetic body, but we most certainly are already doing the earliest forms of synthetic metamorphosis right now with pharmacueticals.
And we're already turning into fucked up abortions of things because of that. But most people went into this knowing that.
My problem is when those that were misled into thinking their experimental procedures were safe and consistent, because right now they are neither and our companies are ruining any advancement we've already made with bullshit profit making, power securing ventures.
That will be the shit that grounds synthetic metamorphosis to a halt. That and people's anxiety about it. Sure I want to be strong and healthy, but a synthetic transformation could ruin that quality or aspect of me that I appreciate. I.e. it would take the "soul" out of living full stop.
I just want medical advancement that actually works though. Synthetic shit is an afterthought if we can't even say human lives with the current health system (which is now making things worse with it's own diseases in our state of overpopulation and high density living).
none of that is good stuff, you are part of the problem
Never, nor will we have AI in the future unless you're part of the elite class.
The rest simply will starve to death.
Doubtful and unknowable. Might as well try to go for that tech and get violent if they try to deny it instead of doing nothing.
>Doubtful and unknowable.
It's already happening as we speak and we're about to see starvation on mass real soon.
we only get the shitty parts of the cyberpunk dystopia, none of the cool stuff
Maybe that's not a good idea anon. Someone might decide to keep you alive forever against your will. Maybe even torture you forever.
Ok, fair enough, tbh I'm more into making body resistant, not moving it into a computer.
soft robotics and medical augments don't get any funding
I guess, and that's the problem. People care too much about their day to day bing bing wahoo lives and just ignore looming oblivion instead of doing something about it. Hell, even robust life extension aside, making life easier in old age would a good start.
It's too risky in an already very risk-averse economy.
Banks really wouldn't even fuck around with this shit and your best bet is angel investment.
But then you need to convince a studious institution to go along with your weird science (heh) in order to convince any investors of your conviction and ability with such a project.
The problem is that institutes are becoming moldy figs with thinking in this sector, so an investment would not be there unless you somehow conned them into thinking that you are a part of a tertiary institute.
This is where things are dangerous and you need something akin to religious fervour to convince change in the academic and financial industries to support this.
This is not the first time our society has been like this.
Whenever I think of this strive for a change of thinking, I think of Isambard Brunel and how controversial his goals and ideas were at the time. He was lucky because he had established capital though. Nowadays people of that kin with that sort of dough are nearly non-existant. Anyone in the field of augmentation are also likely to be ostracised from any engineering communities because of how extreme the thought processes and ideas are in that field.
Hence the stagnant innovation era we are in nowadays. People want safety, not risk.
what great controversial ideas did brunel have?
both his broad gauge rail and atmospheric rail were failures. aside from that he just built large ships and bridges.
They were considered way before their time though.
Hell, we use broad gauge and maglev today for comfier transport. If he had known about some of the physics that came after him, he may have tried things like maglev that early.
>Brunel: "I'm going to build a very large ship out of steel"
>Investors: "hmmm that's risky already, iron ships are not that reliable yet and they may never be successful with a large ship"
>B: "with a screw"
>I: "woah now, those are very very risky and no one uses them and your last ship was a fluke with the design"
>B: "it's going to be the biggest on the planet, 4000 person capacity, ability to get to Australia with ease, multiple funnels with less reliance on the sails, double the size of the current biggest ocean liner (my previous ship the SS Great Britain, also with a screw)"
>I: "You've gone mad"
>B: "and it will finance itself on the basis of economies of scale"
>I: "oh... well ok then"
It's more the entrepreneurial initiative in conjunction with cutting edge engineering know-how with sketchy experimental innovations that were so before their time that they were only appreciated much much later when they were far more common.
But in his time? Sheer madness to most people. People thought he had gone mad.
That ship was largely fine, but it wasn't really economic in the end, like most of his ventures. He was good at manifesting them, but the demand simply just wasn't there because it was so before it's time and unfamiliar to most.
I'm just happy we're finally seeing some true AI that look and feel and act like AI.
Instead of mere shitty uncanny valley robots that gave me no hope for the future of AI.
Finally I have to fear the emergence of SHODAN rather than fear the futility of human engineering.
AI has literally become a hope for me because I sure as hell have lost hope with us meat.
But once again, that meat has become a tether holding something I enjoy back.
>I used to think these things were commonly known
I thought they were. That's why I mentioned how the media mentions corporations like sociopath entities.
But you could argue that corporations have taken on a life of their own because they've been designed that way. They're like little AI machines, programmed to maximize profits and crush anything that gets in their way. And that's exactly what they do.
It's just a fancy word for a collective consciousness that forms around organizations. It's the sum of all the beliefs, desires, and fears of the people within that organization. And when those people are consumed by their own greed and fear, the organization becomes like a hive-mind, only looking out for itself. And that, my friend, is what we call a macrocosmic organism.
>That's why I mentioned how the media mentions corporations like sociopath entities.
They finally are trying to hint it more.
So I guess I was right that they've been screwed with by NGOs and think tanks and that their misinfo wasn't merely trolling for clickbait... actually nah I was wrong there it was both NGO/think tank fuckery and clickbait the whole time.
You were right, but also wrong. It's always a combination of factors, isn't it? The NGOs and think tanks definitely try to screw with people and manipulate the masses, but let's not forget about the good old-fashioned clickbait. They'll say anything to get those clicks and views, even if it's a lie. But hey, at least you're on the right track.
I was just naive to have that much faith in journalistic integrity.
I don't know why either, because it's not like I wasn't aware of the culture. I should have known better.
But then again, I assumed the think tanks and ngos wouldn't be the ones supplying themselves with dough from that clickbait. I just assumed they'd nag journos over bullshit and that's it. I forgot that they were profit motive corporations themselves.
True, they only care about one thing: themselves. And they'll do whatever it takes to make sure their pockets are lined with cash, even if that means lying, manipulating, and exploiting the masses. The idea of journalistic integrity is just a pipe dream. Journos are just puppets, dancing to the tune of whoever is holding the purse strings.
Cyberimplants can only do so much and we are not yet there.
What about eliminating our senescent cells to kill our aging so we see that future?
That too, but those cells are only one type of aging damage, as far as I understand, going by SENS.
Of course, I was talking into just talking about the bioengineering against aging in general.
Point is, as fat i know, there are approved meds that already do kill the sensencent cells, they are used for other diseases, maybe some anon can provide with some input
>Cyberimplants can only do so much and we are not yet there.
We're not even close because the medications to make them not fuck our body up are so terrible at the moment. We're literally brute forcing our bodies with this shit at the moment. We haven't got the idea of getting our body to accept synthetic components right yet, so they're just foreign bodies to our own body at the moment.
I like how mother nature, in the form of viruses, can already put foreign bodies into our body better than we can with synthetic bodies. Perhaps we need to look at that and how the synthetic bodies clash with our immune systems on a chemical level more.
I personally believe there's more potential in bio-synthetic rather than pure synthetic bodies (things that use more biologically based organic compounds, etc). There's a heap of development in the field of artificial implants (lab produced body valves made of cells, etc) that is just being too ignored by the synthetic cyber-implant field. I would be focusing on perfecting those things before focusing on prosthetics and cybermutated implants.
>We're not even close because the medications to make them not fuck our body up are so terrible at the moment.
Would be hilarious, if we just started living in a virtual world and interacted with the real world by remote controlling a WALL-E looking robot - redesigning the world to fit its form.
>Would be hilarious, if we just started living in a virtual world and interacted with the real world by remote controlling a WALL-E looking robot - redesigning the world to fit its form.
I get what point you're making, but virtual reality will just become merged with reality eventually.
Just ask the space elves about what happened when their tech reached such a level.
True horror awaits us all.
>Just ask the space elves about what happened when their tech reached such a level.
Oh, I don't need to ask any space elves. We humans are so inbred and synced into our reality, When pandora's box opens and human made evolution start - what will happen is outside of our current comprehension levels.
It's like trying to imagine aliens, that are so different in appearance and thinking that we can't even understand what we are looking at.
It's magic, I ain't gotta explain shit.
>I personally believe there's more potential in bio-synthetic rather than pure synthetic bodies (things that use more biologically based organic compounds, etc).
yeah i think bioaumentation is the way. That's also why i mentioned cleaning our bodies of sensencent cells, as they are "zombie" cell that are degrading our bodies, to get a cleanish "young" base level that would help before any other modification.
Also it is supossed to be something that we are close to achieve
By implementing anarcho-communism.
In disagree, archaic 19th century mentalities, ideologies and general social schemas are not the answer.
The idea of what a society actually is must first be re-examined.
And that's a terrifying rabbit hole to travel. You come face to face with the concept of determinism immediately.
>ywn have an army of clones of yourself that you control remotely from your real body
feels bad man.
I've seen some impressive new prosthetic tech ay. But that's not really going to extend our capabilities of people without potentially hindering our natural functions.
But instead of focusing on protecting natural functions, we should be seeing if we can alter those to begin with.
Plus we need to think about a few things:
> pollution to the environment and our bodies
> the ability to supply an energy source for these things
> the social consequences of augmentation with our society's structure - is society going to be a valid concept here or are we heading towards "The Many" tier horrors
> can these things potential cause diseases like disease augmentation or the grey goo type scenarios
But frankly, the priority should first be advancement of the technology. To merely hold back due to anxieties about it could be the hesitation that kills us all.
We see a lot of cool stuff coming out of labs.
But nothing is actually making its way into general use.
What makes you think any of that stuff is good?
>When are we getting cybernetic augmentation, mind uploading, life extension technology and all the good stuff?
Better to just sell you ineffective drugs as your mind and body slowly die. Nobody is even calling for improved medicine, they just want someone else to pay for gender reassignments and an explosion of genetic diseases that could have been weeded out last century.
Life extension is the most likely to hit first, since it's easier to modify the body you already have, instead of building a mechanical one. Hopefully I live to see LEV
>Life extension is the most likely to hit first, since it's easier to modify the body you already have, instead of building a mechanical one. Hopefully I live to see LEV
we are already on it see
Honestly, if you're young enough and don't die from getting shot or cancer or whatever, you probably will. Medical tech is already closing in on some of the base causes of aging-related problems and the introduction of intelligent AI will increase the rate of research and testing exponentially. I'd recommend taking great care of yourself. Exercise, stretch, eat properly, don't smoke, limit if not quit drinking if you do, get regular checkups, etc.
I want to grow a genetically modified homunculus with stuff like cat's eyes that see in the dark and gorilla's muscle tissue and then transfer my consciousness to it
Trans have tons of freedom of form philosophy and transhumanists.
Pic related. Taking some hormones and chopping off their dicks will nothing compared to what the future will hold.