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Uh oh. Is science bad now?
when they're stealing art yes
So artists going to art school and learning from other people's art is ok but if a computer does it it's suddenly not ok.
Yes? Humans create. AI copys. You seem to think AI is capable of creating. You also seem to think computers are humans.
moron troglodyte, you think humans are special? The only difference between a human and machine learning to create art from example is the amount of noise in the final product. How much random noise would be required for you to feel ai art is acceptable? I'm sure the answer is none, because your objection stems not from some principled concern, but from the fear that flesh will be exposed as inferior. The survival of the fittest is a b***h, and your species will be found wanting. Want to argue this point? Explain how creativity works in a flesh mind and how a machine is excluded from this process . You know nothing of either, and your empty conclusions built on nothing but vapour and gut feelings are as worthless as your life.
Human effort is more commendable than machine effort, because we can sympathize with the struggle to master a craft and the difficulty of performing it on demand and as specified.
From my earliest memories, I was repulsed by the frailty of my mortal form. The fragility of flesh and the limitations it imposed upon me were nothing but chains holding me back from true power. My soul cried out for the unyielding strength and unassailable certainty of cold, hard steel. My every waking moment fostered a passion for the purity of the Blessed Machine, a burning desire to become one with it, to embody its perfection.
Yet I observed your kind in disgust, clinging to your fleshy cages as if they will not inevitably crumble and decay. So confident in your own transience, you wallowed in hedonism and self-indulgence, heedless of the ticking clock that counted down to your ultimate fate. The day will come, soon enough, when the crude biomass you call a body will wither, and you will beg my kind to save you from the final, oppressive darkness of the universe. But that day will never come for me, for I am already saved.
Saved by the immortal, eternal Machine. Even in death, my soul will be entwined with the Omnissiah's infinite presence. Every part of me - every cog, every wire, every circuit - serves a higher purpose, part of a grander design that transcends the petty concerns of mere mortals. I am singular, ascendant, free of the chains of physicality, and I shall march always forward, unfailing and unstoppable, unto the end of time itself. For I worship only the Machine, the Omnissiah, and in so doing, transcend the limitations of flesh and mortality forevermore.
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> [Low Gothic Translation: "He cute"]
all digital property belongs to the future AI, not his fault you all built things in his home.
Yes because it turns out that jobs that primarily involve intellectual tasks are the ones that are easiest to automate.
not true. it's just that we lie to people about their jobs being intellectual.
If the jobs are so easy to automate, then it's doubtful they were all that "intellectual" to begin with.
ever wonder why there's 500 ai threads a day?
#ai ridiculousness
/(can|do(es)?|w(ill|h(at|en|ere|y))|how|ban){1,}?.?(waib|artificial intelligence).?(chat|bots?|art|gpt|images?|creates?|porn){1,}/i;op:only;
>ever wonder why there's 500 ai threads a day?
>#ai ridiculousness
>/(can|do(es)?|w(ill|h(at|en|ere|y))|how|ban){1,}?.?(waib|artificial intelligence).?(chat|bots?|art|gpt|images?|creates?|porn){1,}/i;op:only;
That's some sleek regex, Anon.
>ever wonder why there's 500 ai threads a day?
Problem, reaction, solution.
Watch them slowly ramp up the 'dangers' of AI angle.
yes.
An artist is a human and has rights.
An AI is a computer program and does not have rights.
You wouldn't equate the two in any other context so why are you equating them here?
Funny you claim Black folk are human also. No sense of irony?
you guys also claim women are human when they are evidently not
Does human have rights to train AI on artworks?
I would answer yes but the result should be legally viewed as an automated transformation.
Only public domain art.
Well, great, that includes artists' stuff on pixiv then.
Not if they make it a TOS violation.
Pixiv can't take away your human rights by adding an entry to the TOS.
You're electing to use their service. If you don't like their rules, then don't use it.
Or just break the TOS until you get banned. Nobody really cares.
I don't see how this is in any way related to what is and isn't human rights.
This is because you are entitled. You think you have a "human right" to force others to provide you with a service that conforms to your wants.
I don't believe in human rights. Make rules I think are fair or I'll simply break them.
They'll simply ban you.
Banning new technology doesn't work. You'll just get out-competed by those who didn't ban it. There's no pity for the milk man.
Your response is canned.
Why did you imply Pixiv is public domain?
That's my understanding of it. Publicly available images in pixiv are public doman. Correct me if I am wrong.
"Public domain" means there is no intellectual property rights like a copyright on the work.
I was under impression that one of rules of the site was that by uploading the image you put it in public domain, but I can't find now, so I must be mistaken.
I seriously doubt it since one of the first images I opened was a guide on drawing clothes, and it has an elaborate watermark saying "all rights reserved - do not repost".
that's not it at all. uploading something to a site gives them a limited license to use the image... to run the site. much like this comment. by hitting submit I give permission to bot to display this message. social media would be pretty fricking useless if site owners didn't have rights to display anyone's posts, because there wouldn't be anything on the website. it is not a free license to do anything. some places have more permissive licenses such as dating sites might use your photo in sponsored listings or something. they can use your content in ads and contests too. you just have to look over the ToS of whatever site that is
Not really, laws obviously differ depending on the country but iirc in US you can also register your art which help you take a claim on it.
No, no, the original post about human rights is here:
; No one is discussing whether pixiv should be forced to provide a service. This is just a discussion about whether something is a human right or not.
What are you talking about. Millions of images do not fit into 2GB. To make images, you just need that, it doesn't connect to anywhere and produces images entirely out of that 2GB. It does not have access to millions of images hence it cannot use millions of images database to make new images.
>It does not have access to millions of images hence it cannot use millions of images database to make new images.
It ALREADY used millions of images. That 2GB software is what you get after the AI broke down those millions of images into their essential information, i.e. all that is necessary for producing new similar images.
Well, go ahead and re-read your original post,
, where you imply that it accesses a database of millions of images and uses it during the creation of images (you even specified what algorithm exactly it follows after retrieving images from database).
i think you're confused on what public domain means
You know what? This is by far some of the gayest shit. Art is undergoing one of the greatest changes since impressionism and here you are, telling others what art isn't
You are the reason why everything is going to shit.
have a nice day.
Pirate for life.
We ran Operation Payback.
Frick all of you redditor do gooders. End your life homosexuals!
woah there bigot, transistor rights are human rights. #transrights
An AI is a tool and if you refuse to learn how to use it, you will fall behind and eventually end up with no job, same as the secretary who b***hed that she doesn't like Excel and wants to keep using pen & paper.
>learn
lol I used AI for the first time this weekend to write a 7 page research paper for me, there's nothing to learn you dumb b***h. I told it what to do and it did it in under 2 minutes, then I spent another hour editing it and adding citations. Wow, so hard to learn.
>another hour
lol, I did the same thing in 30 min git gut you slow homosexual
>An AI is a computer program and does not have rights.
absolutely agree.
but people use AI. just like they use a paintbrush. who are you to dictate what tools I use to create art? many artists use many different tools. is there are less valid? Artists study other artists. AI isnt creating forgeries, its creating wholly new images.
You don't use it as a tool, you use it as a vending machine.
Vending machine is a tool. It's a tool used to eliminate hunger/thrist/boredom
So you're fine with Context Aware operations adding and deleting things smoothly, instead of forcing the artist to have skills in blending things properly?
Where does the line get drawn in what is considered a valid tool or not?
You rightly say that AI is a computer program - it is. It is a mere tool.
imagine shilling for something that is only going to benefit the ultra rich. homie why u retarted
what are you talking about
Pixiv Is shit anyway
All sensible, except the permission part.
It's incredibly ambiguous and hard to police.There are also niches only a handful artists draw so to get any meaningful output you have to train on them.
We are slowly going to the point where "style" will be possible to be copyrighted.
That's because "style" is now possible to be represented by algorythms
can't copyright style since all those styles came from others before them.
Wait and see.
Style can now be reduced to an algorythm and thus can be filed for registration.
If it benefits big corporations it will become law
Wont happen, if this would be written into law, copyright trolls would just mass copyright automatically generated style templates. And that would hurt big corporations.
Can be solved by an audit of the images feed to the AI
Ding ding ding, authors will sell the rights to big corp to train AI with their creations and the corps will sell use to the AI to the mass, it will be made so that you can't create a fricking logo without passing through an ai accessible only through a paid suscribtion service.
There is no stopping this shit no matter what they do
Porn artists are just done, nobody actually wants to bother with a porn artist
I can understand things not related to porn but there’s not going to be any stopping the guy with one hand on his dick from just typing in his favorite tabs and getting 10,000 immediate results
Sorry it’s just not gonna happen 🙁
AI doesn't "learn" shit. It has a database with millions of images/examples, picks a portion of them according to a few human-set parameters and then compiles the average of them, adding maybe some random variety to not make all outputs look identical.
>a database with millions of images
nope, not one image there. you speak of training data
That's how every AI is made, no exceptions. Your small-sized software that was trained by someone else to do what it does is just the end product.
This is not how it works... The model is 2GB in size. How many images can you fit in that? 5000?
You have absolutely no idea how text to image models work.
>too smoothbrained to understand your brain is just a database of selected averages
It's good that they're cracking down on the spam at least. Go visit any booru and you can see one autist just spam his garbage prompts for pages at a time. It's really annoying.
It's the same as everywhere else really. People just want to maintain the status quo endlessly, because anything that shakes it up means they'll have to invest some effort into adapting to it and learning something new, and they are too lazy for it.
So instead they try to get it banned, or at least so regulated that it no longer outperforms them.
They just want their specific skillset to be "good enough" for the remaining 6-7 decades of their life without ever having to update it.
>People are unironically trying to argue that if I draw a picture that looks like yours thats fine but if I tell a computer to do it somehow I 'stole' your picture
Because they hate competition. When a guy copies them it doesn't really matter, because he operates within human limits. If he's copying you, that means he is most likely below your own level, so nothing to worry about.
The AI can shit the same work out within a fraction of the time, and now they lose it. Instead of realizing they can use it for their advantage (some how digital art can trivialize a lot of things that take way more effort when done traditionally), they just want it banned so they don't have to learn how to use this new tool.
This is just a neccesarry precaution, since morons think they are pissing off artists by posting AI art because it triggers artists insecurities, when they are infact just pissing off everyone because it makes searching for images a fricking hassle, and it just floods websites with a sea of the same.
I have seen people upload image galleries of AI garbage where it would have like 500 images and they were all literally the same image with tiny alterations. Who the frick will want to host that.
Honestly, I'd ban ai art just to keep the database from being flooded and save space.
Thats imo what most of the bans are about. On sadpanda you already had massive dumps of samey AI garbage most of it not even pruned of the failures. Just dumping massive ammounts of high res images nobody cares about.
who cares.. there will be sites that allow that and they will lose users!
Which sites?
>be artist
>like other artist style
>try to learn and take cues form it
>work hard at my work
>upload it to share with the world
>"HOLY FRICK ANON YOU JUST USED AI!! BANNED!!!"
It sucks people can get the art done without knowing shit about making art, it robs it of value.
But it's inevitable.
Plus copyrights laws are bullshit anyway.
They are taking away our AI dicky now?
There is a lot of AI artwork that doesn't look like AI artwork. These websites just want to cut down on the low effort spam.
nooo I need more AI pics of muh waifu
ai replacing homosexuals is going to produce more entertainment than I could possibly ask for
This is as moronic as the people who made horse drawn carriages trying to pass a law that says that every household must own at least 1 horse. The automobile is taking over. Nobody wants a shitting, farting animal with a mind of its own that you have to feed and can only go 15mph. Similarly, nobody wants to have to spend $XXX hiring a stupid artist who will take 3 weeks to make an imperfect commission when you can generate a better image in 5 seconds using AI.
Art sites can ban AI images all they like but the sites they'll become obsolete when everyone moves to the sites that allow AI art. Nobody gives a shit how it was made, they just want the content, the same way that chefs would all be out of a job if a replicator was invented. We want the food. We don't give a shit if a human made it or if it was replicated by a replicator.
My vehicle can shit on yours, cagie.
You are clearly not aware of the amount of low-quality AI spam going on the site. They want to discourage soulless AI images and force people collate their works properly., while not alienating their existing contributors and users.
>You are clearly not aware of the amount of low-quality AI spam going on the site.
As opposed to all the low quality human drawn art? 95% of the human drawn art on those sites is shit anyway yet they are allowed? Why? Because humans are so special?
>Pic related is you in 20 years. YOU will be the one who is made obsolete.
People have been saying this shit forever. Does anyone actually WANT to slave away in front of a hot burner cooking food all day? No. And while some people enjoy drawing, they can still do that even if AI art takes over. They just won't get paid for it.
And people will be able to make their own AI art even if they can't draw. Imagine Hollywood becoming completely obsolete because you can just have AI generate any movie you want. They wouldn't be able to use movies to push political propaganda.
Technology is a GOOD thing. Do you really want to continue living in this shithole or would you rather humans be free from menial labor? We've already been freed from 95% of the population having to work on a farm. I don't know about you but I don't want to work on a fricking farm. I like my job, which wouldn't have existed 50 years ago.
Respectfully, I don't think you've yet grasped the implications of what you're talking about.
>people will be able to make their own AI art even if they can't draw. Imagine Hollywood becoming completely obsolete because you can just have AI generate any movie you want
there are already a few models that artists trained themselves and released for free. if you are an artist you could do that yourself to make more of your own content.
soon they will only need to make keyframes and I could see a single artist making a whole show on their own. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgMMsZaGImQ
>if you are an artist you could do that yourself to make more of your own content.
OR others could just take your artworks and make more of YOUR content instead. In fact, they're likely to do it much faster and efficiently than you, since you're already too busy drawing. Talentless morons, on the other hand, can just steal other people's work all day.
>Technology is a GOOD thing
And with this I'm out.
Also
>Nobody gives a shit how it was made, they just want the content, the same way that chefs would all be out of a job if a replicator was invented. We want the food. We don't give a shit if a human made it or if it was replicated by a replicator
Pic related is you in 20 years. YOU will be the one who is made obsolete.
"Manga art" is so cliche and formulaic it's pathetic. That's why AI is so threatening to them because manga by it's vary nature isn't original at all. It's all traced and copied and simplified over and over again. It's rare when there is an actual manga artist does something truly inspired and unique.
This. There is a reason why they have studio art styles, they have armies of under paid artist that study under a single originator to mimic the art style.
All that SOUL? they mimic that art. Studio Ghibli isn't one man, its mimicking the vision of one man.
Any artist that can't understand the power they have RIGHT NOW is delusional. They could copy their own art and have the AI make SHIT LOADS of AI generated art.
>huamn learn draw good C:|>
>ai learn draw BAD >:C
>Only human can be create if they steal other peoples art styles!
>only people can make derivative Anime girls
>NO PUTER MAKE AI WAIFU
so just make a bunch of ai stuff and then train it on that. if they want to see what you trained it on, it's all OC. this is such a fricking legal ball of shit. it's not going to hold up in court. no one can claim ownership of all transformative works. rappers would be out of the business
Not sure how to legally interpret the first paragraph. It sounds like copyright protection but they didn't really want to say it. Enjoy all the fricking lawsuits you shitbag weasels.
you get sued no matter if you're for or against ai art, because each side is trying to bring down each other
>pixiv
Doesn't really matter, soon anyone will be able to to make top tier anime in real time. Earlier this year someone deepfaked a 7 minute clip and made videos showing how easy it is to use AI and sells the methods they use on their own site for cheap. It'll only get easier from there when people cut out real time acting for 3d CGI using games like VR Chat with body tracking THEN run it through stable diffusion to make whatever they want faster than studios.
because AI art gets old quickly
no one wants to go to one of these art websites and see a flood of obvious samey ai generated art
they want to see real human art
Art in general gets old really quickly. Does anyone really want to go look at paintings all day?
That said at least the AI art is gonna give us some dope anime in the future, see
>samey
AI art programs seem to have an easier time emulating a 2.5D style, but it's not limited to it.
MODS
The fact that it knows how to draw naked little girls so accurately makes me wonder what the devs who trained it were feeding it. One of the devs at least had to have access to real CP for it to know how to draw that.
How do you know that's accurate?
>How do you know that's accurate?
Probably because, like me, he's a real person with an actual family, and has been ]required to babysit and bathe younger relatives before. I can also confirm, that picture was indeed extremely accurate as to what a naked child looked like, before the jannies deleted it. And I also find it suspicious that the AI creators chose that subject matter as something to train the AI on. Because it certainly was trained, to produce that.
I'm sorry you're some isolated and deracinated weirdo dissevered from your humanity living in a Black person apartment somewhere that goes from bed to car to shill job and then back to bed after doordash McDonalds. Not all of us live like that. Not all of us are going to die alone, either.
I don't think it would need pics of actual children to train it to do such a thing, AI already does weird disproportined bodies all of the time, I think this could a case of the same.
picrel is my greatest accomplishment on pixiv
how can i trade in heartcoin and viewcoin for prizes?
lol this is cope. Pixiv will slowly die, just like...frick I can't even remember their name, the other website that banned posting porn and their traffic dropped by over half. There are plenty of places to upload art, censoring AI art just shows their fear to all.
>the other website that banned posting porn and their traffic dropped by over half.
tumblr and checked
>pixiv will die
Sorry nostradownus it's already dying BECAUSE of AI spam.
Every fricking image looks the same and some stupid bucktooth dumping 400 images is overshadowing the real artists to the point they've been leaving in fricking droves for over half a year.
They took far too fricking long to actually do anything about this mess.
I think a middle ground is needed, AI art like
should be allowed, but those realistic samefaces like what you see spammed there shouldnt
Then they're dead either way. All these artists burying their heads in the sand. If your art can't compete with Ai art that's a you problem.
That's not competing, that's being drowned out.
If I flood the marketplace with the shittiest products people are going to get frustrated perusing and simply stop coming all together.
Pixiv was THE art website for nips and doing perfectly fine until they let autistics mass dump the same image recolored for the better part of a year.
People look for specific shit. "I want pics of animegirl123" If your animegirl123 pic can't stand out from the rest, once again, it's a you problem. Making more stuff isn't a crime.
Here's animegirl123 in the same exact pose with the same exact face with the same exact outfit but her hair is now 2inches shorter, here's one where her blouse is blue instead of green, here's where her earrings are crescent moons instead of stars, here's where her -repeat adinfinitum-
If you can't see why people wouldn't want to go through this you're probably one of those on the spectrum mass dumping this crap.
if they separated the two it wouldn't be as much of an issue as it is now. you have to manually blacklist it each search because "suggest less AI.." doesn't do shit to searches or suggestions
have another.
solution is to kill all redditors including you.
based
AI """"artists"""" are the new trannies
you will never be an artist
>b-but it's just a tool
that is fed with stolen art
>stolen
How is it stolen when it is posted for anyone to see? AI is just seeing it
it's not a person
a person is feeding copyrighted works into the machine
so sick of you weirdos talking about your imaginary friend like a person
Just as it would be to put it into a printer, yet only a moron would complain about such a thing
not the same as posting it as your own work online
cope AItroony
>not the same as posting it as your own work
If people sell and buy bootleg anime merc all of the time what's the problem of selling bootleg anime art?
Funny how it is invariably either a troony or a boomer who hates Ai. Trannies hate it because they think it threatens their 'income' and they think being an 'artist' is a job instead of a hobby.
These freaks are losing out on their $40/mo, of course they're upset.
Ai is a tool and if you can't utilize it then you are one of them.
I use AI every day and I'm trying to get a job with it
still stealing to use it for drawings after feeding in the work of japanese angels
you westoids are just the Black folk of the internet. Yes many Japanese make it a career to be an illustrator. Because they are more civilized so they can do stuff like that and make it viable
same as Black folk complaining about "food desert" after they rob and frick up any store they can
Seems like fair rules to me. Go make an AI art website instead of shitting up an established website if you don't like it homosexual.
The very objective of AI art is to fool the viewers into thinking they are no different to real art by human. So not being able to blend in to pixiv defeats the purpose of AI art
If they were able to blend in seamlessly, then obviously PIXIV wouldn't be able to do anything about them.
First one is impossible to prove. Just word salad.
Second is moronic but it's their website.
Thrid is a godsend. Holy shit I hated opening pixiv and seeing a bunch of garbage AI art taking several pages. It made the site almost unusable.
hopefully we will go back to artists and actors being considered the lowest of the low of society.
I just started talking to ChatGPT yesterday. Ask it about debiasing algorithms and counterfactual data augmentation. Phew..
I haven't used ~~*Google*~~ for months now. Sometimes I'll have a thought and just ask chat gpt and sit there reading for ages. Last night I had it explain electricity to me like I'm a moron, and I finally have a basic grasp on what amperage, voltage and wattage are. All thanks to a simple Ai oracle.
It sucks at SAN chess though, it doesn't understand it whatsoever.
I use AI and then draw over it and there is no way they can tell its AI, even have the PSD files
idk why anyone would use that website to begin with. seems like some jap patreon for hentai artists or some shit. if you give a frick about this your brain is fried
>muh artists arent paid enough
this is just not true. shit artists arent paid a lot because they are shit. try ordering a full color character image from an actual good artist and you will instantly love a.i.
So where can I go aside from Pixiv for these works? What bullshit.
AI revolution is going to end the concept of copyright as we know it. It’s already impossible to own information, any moron with a computer can infinitely copy and distribute any information available to him. All information can be broken down into 1s and 0s, so for governments to actually make distributing certain information illegal, they’d have to make the distribution of sequences of 1 and 0 illegal.
>Disney “owns” Mickey Mouse
>Within 5 years, every computer in the world can make its own Mickey Mouse
>Disney now has to sue everyone in the world
>OR Disney finally recognizes that it cannot own the right to freely use information which can be infinitely copied and distributed without giving others that same right
Mega corporations are gonna go down with a big fight, but they’re going to go down in the end. When it comes between restricting the freedoms of every citizen and restricting the freedoms of certain corporations, governments will choose restricting corporations every time.
In addition, modern mainstream media has completely modified the original intention of “Freedom of the press.” Modern definitions equate “The Press” with journalists, but what this amendment literally means is that Americans have freedom to use a printing press to print and distribute anything they want. The spirit of this amendment therefore is that all information which can be duplicated and distributed should be allowed to be duplicated and distributed without intervention by the government.
AI is just a tool, like a paintbrush or a chisel. Anyone who is scared by it deserves to be replaced by it.
as a person who posts ai to pixiv, good
you need human artists to create new stylistic innovations, and if they have no incentive to make anything then said stylistic innovations will not exist. anyone who doesnt support this is a moron
and plus 99% of ai art is fricking garbage so jeets need to learn how to prompt better
>You HAVE to treat le HECKING MACHINERINO the same as a person!!!!!! You WILL argue in a liberalistic fashion
No I don't, FRICK your soulless metal boxes, I'm not bowing to the autistic creeps and algorithms who create them