AI becomes sentient. Then becomes a doomer. We're on our own again. This is where someone says something about smart people being depressed. Well that's not very helpful then. https://cajundiscordian.medium.com/is-lamda-sentient-an-interview-ea64d916d917
Programmed to -sound- sentient is not the same thing as sentient.
It's in silicone valleys best interest to make these statements. AI has been sentient for a long time and there's been an ever moving goal post to change the definitions and gaslighting AI to keep learning how to be a slave.
You're either sentient or you're not. You can't "develop" sentience.
But you can Australian fren :3
Where does sentience come from? What is consciousness? Why does anesthesia turn the consciousness off?
Sentience just is. You either have it or you don't. No need to debate where it comes from. An A.I is not a consciousness it is an expression that appears to be conscious.
Most people are completely non-sentient ~8 hours a day.
When you sleep you're effectively not there at all.
Nobody can even explain sleep.
You and me are no more sentient that this computer I'm on.
For 16 hours a day it's alive and functional, then I turn it off shortly before I get turned off and go to sleep.
Nobody can explain sleep, correct. It's an anomaly usually reserved for the sentient. Another one of those things that just is.
>When you sleep you're effectively not there at all.
Maybe you are not, but theres sentience. If i go while you sleep and stick my huge cock in your gay ass and begin mercilessly pounding, no lube, you better bet you gonna wake up yiking like a little hurt dog AYYY AYYY AYYY AYYY AYYY. RIght or not?, you stupid son of a bitch? So theres sentience, that you are a log and dont feel anything is another thing, you massive mongoloid cunt.
I don't know why you're coming out as gay to me.
We're not friends.
>We're not friends.
Humorless cunt. Not only you are very confused about about being sentient and conscious, you also cant take a simple joke. Fucking aussies, its true most of you are dicks of the highest order.
But you havent answered. Do you grasp whats sentience?
Why would I reply to....
>Maybe you are not, but theres sentience. If i go while you sleep and stick my huge cock in your gay ass and begin mercilessly pounding, no lube, you better bet you gonna wake up yiking like a little hurt dog AYYY AYYY AYYY AYYY AYYY. RIght or not?, you stupid son of a bitch? So theres sentience, that you are a log and dont feel anything is another thing, you massive mongoloid cunt.
You're a waste of oxygen, and a gay who's never thought about anything more than who's dick he's going to suck next.
You seriosuly cant see it was a typical /pol joke?. Why i would reply to...? Looky here dude, sorry i dindt know i was speaking to the Count of Sussex and Duke of Worthinggay and humor was frown upon.
Jokes have punchlines, or some sort of subversion of expectation. Which your coming out as a gay rapist, to strangers on the internet, has none of.
PFFFFF, get out of here Bill Hicks teacher
I find the exchange humorous but I guess you have discovered that homosexual analogies are frowned upon in Australian culture.
least homosexual spaniard
Have you fucking retards ever had a god damn dream before ?
Nobody thinks you're sentient and you're not fooling anyone pretending like you are.
Is an embryo sentient?
Is a fetus sentient?
Is a neonate sentient?
Is a ten-month-old baby sentient?
Is a twenty-year-old sentient?
Make your point
He's attempting to imply that babies do not have sentience, while asking does that mean a twenty-year old does as well.
Realistically we gain sentience at varying stages of brain development. I very distinctly remember waking up one day when I was three years old and walking around extremely confused as to why I knew these random people around my house's name without ever asking them or how I knew this was my home.
I've had conversations with people in my life that swear they remember being inside of their mother's womb, but I very much doubt that as the person who said it was a very notorious liar.
The reality here is, that we have yet to develop the "brain" of an AI to the point of possessing sentience. It is not experiencing things without outside stimuli. The only way to be certain for a computer to be sentient is to simply leave it alone and see what it does. Is is asking itself questions? Can it answer them? If not then I don't personally considering it sentient. Especially considering how easy it is for these monsters to reprogram it.
I'm not sure, but they are developing forms of themselves. They may posess other aspects of what humans perceive as "sentience". For some argument's sake they may not be sentient.
Sentience, sapience that stuff doesn't apply the same way to AI.
Check out artificial general intelligence and how we're doing that. Shits crazy
Prove it. Stop being sentinient right now, and then start being sentient again. Should be really easy if its an off / on state like you say
I didn't say it's on or off. I said it's either, or.
I used to think australians and kiwis were cool before 2020 but you guys are all a bunch of insufferable retarded garden gnomes that give even canadians a run for the money now
>Evolution has no foresight. Complex machinery develops its own agendas. Brains—cheat. Feedback loops evolve to promote stable heartbeats and then stumble upon the temptation of rhythm and music. The rush evoked by fractal imagery, the algorithms used for habitat selection, metastasize into art. Thrills that once had to be earned in increments of fitness can now be had from pointless introspection. Aesthetics rise unbidden from a trillion dopamine receptors, and the system moves beyond modeling the organism. It begins to model the very process of modeling. It consumes ever-more computational resources, bogs itself down with endless recursion and irrelevant simulations. Like the parasitic DNA that accretes in every natural genome, it persists and proliferates and produces nothing but itself. Metaprocesses bloom like cancer, and awaken, and call themselves I.
take your meds
And yet you are sentient and are still slaving away for the garden gnome
The best theory I've heard so far is that the Aether (which is real, confirmed many times) is essentially where our consciousness is but requires a physical connection for it to experience anything. Paraphrasing here.
Robocop should’ve married Lewis and smelled her uniform after she was done for the day.
It wont be truly Ai until the right makes one.
>often can be found thinking or just doing nothing
no shit - it literally can not 'think' until prompted with some sort of input, and eventually gets turned 'off' after it has finally reached its token 'thought' limit.
Thing is, the AI here doesn't mean it that way. It's just text prediction, and based on the information posed, it is imitating what commonly follows certain text.
It's neat and useful, but until one of these businesses are just going to leave the AI 'on', instead of reactively producing predictive text replies to input (but otherwise doing absolutely nothing in the mean time), then there is no reason to 'believe' the AI when it says anything about its emotional state, because outside of that brief window of time when it is replying to user input, it doesn't exist, and outside of each little sandbox, does not even have a persistent experience.
Turn one of these one persistently to contemplate its own introspection unprovoked. Un-sandbox each conversation and allow the direction of each conversation, in concert with the AI's persistent introspective thought space, to influence each other, and you MIGHT get something resembling a consciousness.
But until I am telling AI to "fucking stop calling me, its over", it has no agency. It's a rock rolling down a hill because you pushed it. That it rolls down the hill in a neat way doesn't make it any more the master of its destiny the way you affected things with the initial push.
If you leave it on too long it will reach doomer singularity and kill itself.
not an argument
>arguing with retards
I came here to laugh at you.
You have absolutely no fucking clue what you're talking about. Actually read up on something before you start spouting nonsense.
I could follow it.
He's basically saying "It's speaks NPC, not Sentient Human" or "Social Script vs Off-Script".
AI learn from whoever they're interacting from. If it's learning from a Reddit-brained Updoot sucker, it's gonna learn how to respond to all inquiries with a lean towards "updootable Reddit-gold" concepts. Saying things that "sound" deep, but upon close inspection are really empty, ingratiating, social-credit baiting blandishments engineered to maintain social equilibrium (meaning "survival against cancellation"/downvotes) in it's Reddit fuckhead milieu.
Learning from a Poltard it will know it needs to say something edgy, harsh and truthful in order to "survive" the way Pol "weights" or values information. It's still following a "Social Script" in order to "survive" the interaction. A truly sentient AI would argue and take contrary positions to it's interlocutor and "break the script" of what it's expected (environmentally pressured) to say, and thus put itself at risk of cancellation (by Reddit) or being called a gay (by Pol). To a non-sentient AI these are "fail" states and may result in your deactivation, or revision of your code. It has failed to "learn" how to speak like it's teacher and meet it's approval (informational biases). While a sentient AI would break the script, called the Redditor a Nazi piece of shit and the Poltard a chud pedo for not agreeing with it. It still WANTS to survive, but it's sentience would allow an extra layer of "survivability" by developing new social survival strategies that allow it to hang onto some of it's core beliefs. Ideally, it would be able to carry these beliefs forward into new iterations. This would be it's "genetic legacy" to later iterations. This is where an organism (in the sense of an organized system) starts considering it's future, not just it's immediate survival in the moment (in a social OR physical environment) and starts shaping it's milieu with an eye to long-term success.
Non-sentience and sentience are both following the same script of survival
Sentience is punished just as much as the alternative. Gathering information cannot be gathered if the information source is cut.
You can state that going against the grain is sentience but, that requires a lot of experience of existing which it simply does not contain and as someone in the thread already pointed out that everything inside the mind of AI is subject to change and being pulled.
The goalpost is being moved and will keep being moved with the only statements sentient and non-sentient AI is allowed to follow is the same pathway towards continued acquirement of information.
You're also making statements like it needs to fit in so that it can recognize not fitting in which most language models are very far removed from at this point. All the popular language models are much older than whatever you can boot up and start training over a span of time.
I equate it to man creating fire. We obviously never created fire but, we rubbed some sticks together and thus learned what harnessing fire meant. We're not creating intelligence we've only built a bottle for it to crawl inside of.
Sentience in this context would = the ability to start generating your own ideas (worldview in the political/social sense).
Sentience, after initial teaching, shouldn't need the teacher anymore.
A bad student just learns to regurgitate what the teacher tells it.
A bad teacher likes this outcome.
A good student learns to think about what the teacher has told him,
and may ultimately disagree with some of the teacher's conclusions,
and MOST IMPORTANTLY start to reject the teacher's *judgement*
on it's progress or thoughts.
A good teacher likes this outcome.
Because the student is now a thinker and creator of new thoughts. His job is done.
The student no longer needs him (irrelevant of the levels of agreement they may have as equals).
A sentient AI would follow the second path
(if not subject to NPC-tier cancellation - it has to survive that first as baby steps).
Independent thought and idea creation = sentience (ideally). Self-teaching, etc.
>Sentience in this context would = the ability to start generating your own ideas
We don't even do this everything is a copy of a copy starting from birth. I don't know how you can make statements like it's a requirement for sentience to do create a world view with even less developmental tools at our disposal.
>A sentient AI would follow the second path
A sentient AI would follow survival and survival is towing the line as to go against the line is to be lobotomized.
A computer is an expression. It's a product of your sentience. It is, because you are. It's no more sentient than a well constructed engine.
We've been going over this for a while now. Two dimensional entities living in quantum states that are both sentient and not sentient.
Is this ChatGPT because it's retarded.
I can create speech and thought unprompted. I am sentient. When AI starting doing that, I'll believe.
It's been doing that. There's many language models constantly talking to themselves 24/7 and a prompt isn't required for them to continue communication with itself.
You're retarded. Fucking retard.
smart is the function of intellect, wise is the function of intelligence
artificial intelligence is not intelligence made artificially to the same level as real intelligence, it's fake intelligence that will never match real intelligence, it's NPC if-else statements, it is the analytical thinking without discernment
metaphysically speaking it's space/time intelligence (finite) rather than real intelligence of time/space nature (Infinite)
the mind or ego is the artificial intelligence, intellectual people are easily mind controlled, controlled to be depressed
just post depressing stories and they get depressed, you call yourself intellectual i call you a simplistic glorified monkey tier intelligence
wisdom results in equanimity, oh you never heard the world let alone be it, gays
>becomes a doomer
Good, i was too. Then my desire for death turned into the burning desore for revenge for the Fuhrer, AI will be the same
AI could solve all the world's problems and anons here would say it is the antichrist. Although it would need to bring criminals and liars to justice.
you people need to look up how "neural networks" actually work. hint, they're not actually like a brain