Is it kino?
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Yes, It is. I'M DAVID.
Yes.
unbelievably underrated film. critics respect it a lot nowadays but most people are still filtered
Yes, but I never cared for the ending.
Something about the movie that I can't help but wonder if it was intentional...
Everyone spends the movie gassing on about how lifelike the kid is, and how human he seems, but the kid is literally following his programming obsessively. Meanwhile, the comparatively primitive gigolo is deviating wildly from his function, and nobody seems to notice it.
>the comparatively primitive gigolo is deviating wildly from his function, and nobody seems to notice it.
I think that's my biggest problem with the movie. It has some interesting ideas but they could be explored better.
I can't help but wonder if it was intentional. Was the audience supposed to notice?
that was a subtle point about the movie: the relentless pursuit of perfection and what it means.
Kubrick outlined the entire film before he died. No shit all this stuff was intentional. It's supposed to make you think and most audiences don't like to think so they hated the movie
so I guess spielberg could have done a better job showing it
Kubrick was the one who picked Spielberg to direct before he died because he wanted the film to have a whimsical quality that he was never able to pull off. I admit the tone is a little hokey at points but overall the whimsy is there a deliberate source of irony. The movie is actually tragic even though the tone suggests otherwise, especially the ending
every single time this movie gets brought up there is a spielberg defense force out
yes the movie is tragic and all, and I don't doubt kubrick's choice in spielberg, but we don't have to pretend Steven did a perfect job
He could have maybe done things to signal that Joe defying his programming was out of order, just saying, or at least make it something that stands out as an intentional choice on rewatches
I wish Kubrick was on set with Steven
how is the ending tragic?
it's bittersweet, but I'm not really here to argue the specific tone of the ending, just that spielberg's interpretation of the story and characters was imperfect
He waits for an eternity just to be with his 'mother' for one day, with the credits rolling before we see that time up but the audience knowing that afterwards he'll be left alone again in a cold future
I have to rewatch the film, I thought he was left to be with his one true desire for eternity i.e. the blue fairy granted his wish.
They straight up tell him 'the clones die as soon as they go to sleep, and we can't clone a person again because space time fabric or some shit' and he copes with 'maybe she'll be different' and 'maybe the one day will last forever', which of course it doesn't since the credits roll on them going to sleep together
I thought the implication is that he doesn't wake up again either
Watching the scene again for the first time in over a decade yeah that's probably what they're going for
David's dying wish is the love of his mother who threw him away
oh didn't know that, really puts things into a better perspective
>Yes, but I never cared for the ending.
yeah but the blue fairy was way better then the current disney schlock.
I was fine with the kid finding the statue. I think it should have ended there.
no way the bit after that is what really sells the movie for me.
I agree but do not have a strong feeling one way or the other
hmm, good point but that is the nature of interpretation/adaptation. My bias is I tend to like speilberg as a story teller in both movies and TV but do ot agree with his editing of old movies like the guns in ET. If Kubrick could have done the project then it would probably have been perfect, for sure.
I think the biggest thing for me (despite what I just said) is that if Kubrick had directed or produced, all the little details would have been perfected
Like in A.I. a lot of the familial drama falls totally flat. The Dad character is totally unconvincing. I see what they were going for but he was either poorly acted or poorly directed. Similarly the mother's emotions don't feel organic, some of her reactions seem totally out of left field. All of that could have been built up much better, it needed more attention to detail.
People criticize Jack and Wendy from the shining as seeming "1 dimensional" but their dysfunction was palpable. A.I. needed something like that
Why would anyone give a shit what some glorified sex toy for rich cybermilfs is up to? It's not like he was leading an Android uprising. His character was one that is easily overlooked in society, noone bothers much with him unless they are trying to frick him, and if they're trying to frick him then they're interested in fricking him, not how he' s behaving.
Nobody would probably notice for a while if their robovac was acting weird as it sucked up ciggie butts and used frangers either.
I mean it makes sense nobody in universe would care but it didn't really stick out to me until somebody pointed it out. The film would have been better if it had nudged us towards wondering "why is gigolo joe doing all this? is he not a simple mecha?"
>Meanwhile, the comparatively primitive gigolo is deviating wildly from his function, and nobody seems to notice it.
This is intentional. They have an ambiguous level of consciousness before David and even a nascent robot society of sorts that it completely outside the purview of humans. It sets up the idea that they're already starting to replace humans and are the future of intelligence on the planet; think of Joe's line about "When the end comes all that's left will be us."
You see this with Teddy as well, who's an even more primitive model than Joe. You're supposed to wonder to what extent Teddy is a full-fledged sentient creature or just a really advanced toy with stochastic and emergent shit that mimics complex behavior, and how would you even tell the difference between the two? It's what the whole movie is about.
his character should have been more tragic then to hit the point home
he was a prostitute but he's so damn suave and charming. I honestly didn't give his character a second thought
He's not really a prostitute though, because he has no needs and no need for material rewards like food or lodging or acquired wealth. He is more like a sex therapist, an aid to humanity and a support worker. People could turn to him for help the way they would turn to a map or a lamppost, and he doesn't necessarily feel one way or another about it. He is the eternal lover and constant companion, even to David in a fraternal sense.
shouldn't his character then reflect something perhaps unflattering about the human condition? you're completely correct anon but I think there could have been something more done with that then what we got
Yes this is correct. If you watch the scene where he seduces the woman, he talks to her like a therapist and she grabs his neck to "turn him on" the same way that David's mother activated him by grabbing his neck
Lots of things to consider. Did David seek his mom just because he was designed to do so, or was he becoming more human by looking for his creator? There's even an idolatry theme in the film since he prays to the statue of the fairy and there's earlier scenes showing virgin Mary statues. There's also the fact that he totally neglects Teddy throughout the film the same way that the humans neglected him.
>his character should have been more tragic then to hit the point home
He got framed for murder and his last scene is him getting yeeted by the po-po while reflecting on the existential condition of his all too brief life: "I am; I was."
I mean frick man how much more tragic can you get
is it not a failure of the filmmaker when something that which should seem tragic is uniformly met with indifference?
>uniformly
Idiot
the character itself doesn't seem to have left much an impression on anybody, people just say how they think jude law did a good job acting
But really, he's a machine. You would presume they cam extract direct evidence from his memory banks of what he did and did not do. It would need to be some kind of fix and frame all the way through to judge jury board etc to convict him. It's not impossible to assume his story could continue from that point, dancing through the ages and a dying world.
the gigolo droid has street smarts by now, the kid only knows his mom
I like to think that this universe and bicentennial man have a connection.
Yes
Just a little too much whimsy though. And the part where the flesh fare stands up and starts booing or whatever just seems wildly unlikely, out of character, like a proto "and then everybody clapped" moment. Lame as frick tbh
All it takes is one moralgay to set off the npcs over some vague witch-hunt over nothing
So you're wrong
first movie that made me cry, I was 9
I cried too, but the most uncomfortable thing about watching this movie as a 7 year old was feeling the first sensations of a mild existential crisis.
ah shit I just responded here
fore reading the thread, crazy to think 5ere were other kids at the time who felt the same way as me.
yes but I am a fan of William Hurt so I am biased.
Yes, specially kino thanks to jude law, who elevates it as Gigolo Joe. One of his best performances
Ain’t no strings on him
>Woman emotionally attaches to fake child when her only son goes into a coma
Remember folks, don't stop at one kid. Don't put all your eggs in one basket.
Honestly I'm just sick of legitimate criticisms being written off as "it's what kubrick wanted!!" or "you just didn't get it!!"
i hate speilberg so ducking much, hes destroying this world, his movie s are all lies
2001??? wtf
i swear to god that movie came out just a few years ago around 2018?? mandella effect?? i remember watching the trailers for that movie when it came out a few years ago
>the trailers
Teaser was great. But I remember it from my childhood, time really passes by.
Spielberg is a fricking genius with teaser trailers
It's good too but I was thinking about it: youtube.com/watch?v=m2ErD2N0SRA
That shit at 1:40 is equally frightening and beautiful
The first one was creepier but this one was more touching.
Missed a couple
You've got something going on if your memory misfiled this film as being that recent
nah anon I rented his shit on VHS from blockbuster with my family when I was a kid
I too rented this shit from blockbuster
>2018
That’s the kid from the goddamn Sixth Sense
How dumb are you?
I suspect you haven't even seen this movie
>thread stops and legit criticisms are left ignored
FRICK you fricking morons
What criticisms? People complained that the movie is too ambiguous and tonally awkward and others agreed. I still think it's effective despite that
I mean I'll just assume the silence at several of my comments is just people being unable to disagree, which is fine I guess. It just doesn't seem like fans of the film are interested in having an honest conversation about its flaws, which makes it hard for me to take the praise seriously.
I still think the film was effective but it had its share of problems which held it back
Have you considered the possibility that you're a Black person?
would be super cool if you could respond to some of my criticisms thanks!
Black person with Black person opinions.
Garbage made for manchildren. Proto-capeshit.
midwit with zero opinions
Cumskin say what?
No one would agree, but I think this is Spielberg's best film
Still trash as Spielberg hasn't made 1 good film.
I like Jaws
>Indiana Jones Trilogy
>Close Encounters
>Schindler’s List
Hurr Schindler's List izenyt gud
>anomoly: edgiboi contrarian input logged
>chud detected
>status: you need to go back
>predictive: Y.W.N.T.A.W
>opinion discarded
After mentally checking his filmography I think the same. It has some kind of inherent quality that makes it stand out like very few others.
Stop bringing up this film - it damaged me as a child. My mum thought it was a kids film
The ending made me weep so much as a kid. Something about returning to pure maternal love with the person who gave birth to you but also recognizing that they are mortal creations who eventually age. Those loving memories with your mother eventually just become memories and you will never experience that kind of existential bliss once you get older.
You wept, I was scarred. The images of the robot flesh fair and David trying to hurt himself at the start and the weird fairy thing haunted me
This is why the film bombed in America
Pussies like you
>Pussies like you
I was 9 :'(
I watched War of the Worlds and Devil’s Rejects in theaters when I was younger than you, homosexual
Frick no, unironically one of the worst movies I've ever seen and I really enjoy AI stories.
Frick you, I liked it. But I only saw it when it came out and now remember absolutely none of it except the ending.
Amazing movie very depressing and dare I say it scary
Unmatched futuristic creepy atmosphere
This film lingers in your soul forever
The art direction is pretty stunning. A lot of colorful futuristic Y2K vibes but also has a soulless tone to it. Like a doctor’s office for children that’s decorated with bright colors and recognizable characters just to artificially create an accepting environment
Soulless. That's a good way to describe it. And not in a negative sense.
It's just that it feels like a very nihilistic film.
Why wouldn't it be? It depicts a crumbling, and somewhat soulless world, and our unreliable narrators are mostly the androids, who are often confused by their surroundings, and uncertain where they belong, blind leading blind.
It makes sense that the palette and visuals of the film are a ferocious and riotous blur of garish images, punctuated by often beautiful moments as we try to make sense of the world as it presents to them, and loops and feeds back to us.
I’m not criticizing it at all, I love how it looks. Very dreamlike but also dreary when you look deeper into it
Fight me IRL.
You got the wrong guy, my name isn't Earl.
Spielberg is one of the best horror directors ever
Of course it’s scary
I watched it when I was a kid and thought the same. Somewhat creepy, the blue fairy moment and finale fricked me up ngl.
The atmosphere is unparalleled as well. They don’t make movies like this anymore.
Nah, it's pretty average. You'd think a Kubrick/Spielberg/Watson superhero teamup would work better - but nope.
That's the problem: nobody can be Kubrick
It's okay, I guess. Don't really care for it.
It's ok. If I'm gonna watch dark Spielberg, I'd rather watch Munich. But it's not the kiddie movie some people pretend it is.
Yes, rhis movie is amazing and does soft-cyberpunk and scifi way better than other more famous films.
It feels soulful and theatrical, mysterious, dark but whimsical.
I love it.
I just can't appreciate the part after the A.I.iens. I think it would've been great if it stopped after David met the statue underwater.
This. For me? It's A.T.L.iens or bust.
Based OutKast anon
damn I’ve never really heard anyone else talk about this movie. I watched it with my parents when I was a kid/was very close with my mother and it made me so sad. I haven’t talked to my mother in like 10 years because she became horribly abusive later on, but I still think of this movie and he good times with my mother from time to time. I am almost a little scared to watch it again as an adult.xhwkk
What were some dark parts Kubrick thought of that Spielberg didn't put in? I've heard the first version as a robot child wandering through a robot holocaust.
Probably child robots being used for sex
Hit too close to home
Kubrick had all the sappy shit like Teddy
Spielberg added the dark shit like the Flesh Fair
Enough of this meme
we both know if Kubrick had made it the uncanny sense of alien strangeness would have been more palpably felt
sick of this "it's Kubricks's fault its hokey!!" meme
Brilliant, beautiful film.