A.I. Artificial Intelligence (2001)

Is it kino?

  1. 2 months ago
    David

    Yes, It is. I'M DAVID.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    unbelievably underrated film. critics respect it a lot nowadays but most people are still filtered

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, but I never cared for the ending.

    Something about the movie that I can't help but wonder if it was intentional...
    Everyone spends the movie gassing on about how lifelike the kid is, and how human he seems, but the kid is literally following his programming obsessively. Meanwhile, the comparatively primitive gigolo is deviating wildly from his function, and nobody seems to notice it.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >the comparatively primitive gigolo is deviating wildly from his function, and nobody seems to notice it.
      I think that's my biggest problem with the movie. It has some interesting ideas but they could be explored better.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I can't help but wonder if it was intentional. Was the audience supposed to notice?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      that was a subtle point about the movie: the relentless pursuit of perfection and what it means.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >the comparatively primitive gigolo is deviating wildly from his function, and nobody seems to notice it.
      I think that's my biggest problem with the movie. It has some interesting ideas but they could be explored better.

      I can't help but wonder if it was intentional. Was the audience supposed to notice?

      Kubrick outlined the entire film before he died. No shit all this stuff was intentional. It's supposed to make you think and most audiences don't like to think so they hated the movie

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        so I guess spielberg could have done a better job showing it

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Kubrick was the one who picked Spielberg to direct before he died because he wanted the film to have a whimsical quality that he was never able to pull off. I admit the tone is a little hokey at points but overall the whimsy is there a deliberate source of irony. The movie is actually tragic even though the tone suggests otherwise, especially the ending

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            every single time this movie gets brought up there is a spielberg defense force out

            yes the movie is tragic and all, and I don't doubt kubrick's choice in spielberg, but we don't have to pretend Steven did a perfect job

            He could have maybe done things to signal that Joe defying his programming was out of order, just saying, or at least make it something that stands out as an intentional choice on rewatches

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              I wish Kubrick was on set with Steven

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            every single time this movie gets brought up there is a spielberg defense force out

            yes the movie is tragic and all, and I don't doubt kubrick's choice in spielberg, but we don't have to pretend Steven did a perfect job

            He could have maybe done things to signal that Joe defying his programming was out of order, just saying, or at least make it something that stands out as an intentional choice on rewatches

            how is the ending tragic?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              it's bittersweet, but I'm not really here to argue the specific tone of the ending, just that spielberg's interpretation of the story and characters was imperfect

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              He waits for an eternity just to be with his 'mother' for one day, with the credits rolling before we see that time up but the audience knowing that afterwards he'll be left alone again in a cold future

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I have to rewatch the film, I thought he was left to be with his one true desire for eternity i.e. the blue fairy granted his wish.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                They straight up tell him 'the clones die as soon as they go to sleep, and we can't clone a person again because space time fabric or some shit' and he copes with 'maybe she'll be different' and 'maybe the one day will last forever', which of course it doesn't since the credits roll on them going to sleep together

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I thought the implication is that he doesn't wake up again either

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Watching the scene again for the first time in over a decade yeah that's probably what they're going for

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              David's dying wish is the love of his mother who threw him away

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        oh didn't know that, really puts things into a better perspective

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Yes, but I never cared for the ending.
      yeah but the blue fairy was way better then the current disney schlock.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I was fine with the kid finding the statue. I think it should have ended there.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          no way the bit after that is what really sells the movie for me.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I agree but do not have a strong feeling one way or the other

          it's bittersweet, but I'm not really here to argue the specific tone of the ending, just that spielberg's interpretation of the story and characters was imperfect

          hmm, good point but that is the nature of interpretation/adaptation. My bias is I tend to like speilberg as a story teller in both movies and TV but do ot agree with his editing of old movies like the guns in ET. If Kubrick could have done the project then it would probably have been perfect, for sure.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I think the biggest thing for me (despite what I just said) is that if Kubrick had directed or produced, all the little details would have been perfected
            Like in A.I. a lot of the familial drama falls totally flat. The Dad character is totally unconvincing. I see what they were going for but he was either poorly acted or poorly directed. Similarly the mother's emotions don't feel organic, some of her reactions seem totally out of left field. All of that could have been built up much better, it needed more attention to detail.
            People criticize Jack and Wendy from the shining as seeming "1 dimensional" but their dysfunction was palpable. A.I. needed something like that

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >the comparatively primitive gigolo is deviating wildly from his function, and nobody seems to notice it.
      I think that's my biggest problem with the movie. It has some interesting ideas but they could be explored better.

      every single time this movie gets brought up there is a spielberg defense force out

      yes the movie is tragic and all, and I don't doubt kubrick's choice in spielberg, but we don't have to pretend Steven did a perfect job

      He could have maybe done things to signal that Joe defying his programming was out of order, just saying, or at least make it something that stands out as an intentional choice on rewatches

      Why would anyone give a shit what some glorified sex toy for rich cybermilfs is up to? It's not like he was leading an Android uprising. His character was one that is easily overlooked in society, noone bothers much with him unless they are trying to fuck him, and if they're trying to fuck him then they're interested in fucking him, not how he' s behaving.

      Nobody would probably notice for a while if their robovac was acting weird as it sucked up ciggie butts and used frangers either.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I mean it makes sense nobody in universe would care but it didn't really stick out to me until somebody pointed it out. The film would have been better if it had nudged us towards wondering "why is gigolo joe doing all this? is he not a simple mecha?"

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Meanwhile, the comparatively primitive gigolo is deviating wildly from his function, and nobody seems to notice it.

      This is intentional. They have an ambiguous level of consciousness before David and even a nascent robot society of sorts that it completely outside the purview of humans. It sets up the idea that they're already starting to replace humans and are the future of intelligence on the planet; think of Joe's line about "When the end comes all that's left will be us."

      You see this with Teddy as well, who's an even more primitive model than Joe. You're supposed to wonder to what extent Teddy is a full-fledged sentient creature or just a really advanced toy with stochastic and emergent shit that mimics complex behavior, and how would you even tell the difference between the two? It's what the whole movie is about.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        his character should have been more tragic then to hit the point home
        he was a prostitute but he's so damn suave and charming. I honestly didn't give his character a second thought

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          He's not really a prostitute though, because he has no needs and no need for material rewards like food or lodging or acquired wealth. He is more like a sex therapist, an aid to humanity and a support worker. People could turn to him for help the way they would turn to a map or a lamppost, and he doesn't necessarily feel one way or another about it. He is the eternal lover and constant companion, even to David in a fraternal sense.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            shouldn't his character then reflect something perhaps unflattering about the human condition? you're completely correct anon but I think there could have been something more done with that then what we got

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yes this is correct. If you watch the scene where he seduces the woman, he talks to her like a therapist and she grabs his neck to "turn him on" the same way that David's mother activated him by grabbing his neck

            [...]
            how is the ending tragic?

            Lots of things to consider. Did David seek his mom just because he was designed to do so, or was he becoming more human by looking for his creator? There's even an idolatry theme in the film since he prays to the statue of the fairy and there's earlier scenes showing virgin Mary statues. There's also the fact that he totally neglects Teddy throughout the film the same way that the humans neglected him.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >his character should have been more tragic then to hit the point home

          He got framed for murder and his last scene is him getting yeeted by the po-po while reflecting on the existential condition of his all too brief life: "I am; I was."

          I mean fuck man how much more tragic can you get

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            is it not a failure of the filmmaker when something that which should seem tragic is uniformly met with indifference?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >uniformly

              Idiot

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                the character itself doesn't seem to have left much an impression on anybody, people just say how they think jude law did a good job acting

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            But really, he's a machine. You would presume they cam extract direct evidence from his memory banks of what he did and did not do. It would need to be some kind of fix and frame all the way through to judge jury board etc to convict him. It's not impossible to assume his story could continue from that point, dancing through the ages and a dying world.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      the gigolo droid has street smarts by now, the kid only knows his mom

  5. 2 months ago
    David

    I like to think that this universe and bicentennial man have a connection.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes

    Just a little too much whimsy though. And the part where the flesh fare stands up and starts booing or whatever just seems wildly unlikely, out of character, like a proto "and then everybody clapped" moment. Lame as fuck tbh

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      All it takes is one moralgay to set off the NPCs over some vague witch-hunt over nothing

      So you're wrong

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    first movie that made me cry, I was 9

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I cried too, but the most uncomfortable thing about watching this movie as a 7 year old was feeling the first sensations of a mild existential crisis.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        ah shit I just responded here

        damn I’ve never really heard anyone else talk about this movie. I watched it with my parents when I was a kid/was very close with my mother and it made me so sad. I haven’t talked to my mother in like 10 years because she became horribly abusive later on, but I still think of this movie and he good times with my mother from time to time. I am almost a little scared to watch it again as an adult.xhwkk

        fore reading the thread, crazy to think 5ere were other kids at the time who felt the same way as me.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    yes but I am a fan of William Hurt so I am biased.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, specially kino thanks to jude law, who elevates it as Gigolo Joe. One of his best performances

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous
      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Ain’t no strings on him

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Woman emotionally attaches to fake child when her only son goes into a coma

    Remember folks, don't stop at one kid. Don't put all your eggs in one basket.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly I'm just sick of legitimate criticisms being written off as "it's what kubrick wanted!!" or "you just didn't get it!!"

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    i hate speilberg so ducking much, hes destroying this world, his movie s are all lies

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    2001??? wtf
    i swear to god that movie came out just a few years ago around 2018?? mandella effect?? i remember watching the trailers for that movie when it came out a few years ago

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >the trailers
      Teaser was great. But I remember it from my childhood, time really passes by.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Spielberg is a fucking genius with teaser trailers

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's good too but I was thinking about it: youtube.com/watch?v=m2ErD2N0SRA

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            That shit at 1:40 is equally frightening and beautiful

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            The first one was creepier but this one was more touching.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Missed a couple

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You've got something going on if your memory misfiled this film as being that recent

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      nah anon I rented his shit on VHS from blockbuster with my family when I was a kid

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I too rented this shit from blockbuster

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >2018
      That’s the kid from the goddamn Sixth Sense
      How dumb are you?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I suspect you haven't even seen this movie

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >thread stops and legit criticisms are left ignored
    FUCK you fucking retards

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      What criticisms? People complained that the movie is too ambiguous and tonally awkward and others agreed. I still think it's effective despite that

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I mean I'll just assume the silence at several of my comments is just people being unable to disagree, which is fine I guess. It just doesn't seem like fans of the film are interested in having an honest conversation about its flaws, which makes it hard for me to take the praise seriously.

        I still think the film was effective but it had its share of problems which held it back

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Have you considered the possibility that you're a moron?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            would be super cool if you could respond to some of my criticisms thanks!

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              moron with moron opinions.

              I like Jaws

              >Indiana Jones Trilogy
              >Close Encounters
              >Schindler’s List

              Hurr Schindler's List izenyt gud

              >anomoly: edgiboi contrarian input logged
              >chud detected
              >status: you need to go back
              >predictive: Y.W.N.T.A.W
              >opinion discarded

              Garbage made for manchildren. Proto-capeshit.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                midwit with zero opinions

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Cumskin say what?

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    No one would agree, but I think this is Spielberg's best film

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Still trash as Spielberg hasn't made 1 good film.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I like Jaws

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Indiana Jones Trilogy
        >Close Encounters
        >Schindler’s List

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Hurr Schindler's List izenyt gud

        >anomoly: edgiboi contrarian input logged
        >chud detected
        >status: you need to go back
        >predictive: Y.W.N.T.A.W
        >opinion discarded

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      After mentally checking his filmography I think the same. It has some kind of inherent quality that makes it stand out like very few others.

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Stop bringing up this film - it damaged me as a child. My mum thought it was a kids film

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The ending made me weep so much as a kid. Something about returning to pure maternal love with the person who gave birth to you but also recognizing that they are mortal creations who eventually age. Those loving memories with your mother eventually just become memories and you will never experience that kind of existential bliss once you get older.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        You wept, I was scarred. The images of the robot flesh fair and David trying to hurt himself at the start and the weird fairy thing haunted me

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The ending made me weep so much as a kid. Something about returning to pure maternal love with the person who gave birth to you but also recognizing that they are mortal creations who eventually age. Those loving memories with your mother eventually just become memories and you will never experience that kind of existential bliss once you get older.

      This is why the film bombed in America
      Pussies like you

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Pussies like you
        I was 9 :'(

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I watched War of the Worlds and Devil’s Rejects in theaters when I was younger than you, gay

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Fuck no, unironically one of the worst movies I've ever seen and I really enjoy AI stories.

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Fuck you, I liked it. But I only saw it when it came out and now remember absolutely none of it except the ending.

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Amazing movie very depressing and dare I say it scary

    Unmatched futuristic creepy atmosphere

    This film lingers in your soul forever

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The art direction is pretty stunning. A lot of colorful futuristic Y2K vibes but also has a soulless tone to it. Like a doctor’s office for children that’s decorated with bright colors and recognizable characters just to artificially create an accepting environment

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Soulless. That's a good way to describe it. And not in a negative sense.

        It's just that it feels like a very nihilistic film.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why wouldn't it be? It depicts a crumbling, and somewhat soulless world, and our unreliable narrators are mostly the androids, who are often confused by their surroundings, and uncertain where they belong, blind leading blind.

        It makes sense that the palette and visuals of the film are a ferocious and riotous blur of garish images, punctuated by often beautiful moments as we try to make sense of the world as it presents to them, and loops and feeds back to us.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I’m not criticizing it at all, I love how it looks. Very dreamlike but also dreary when you look deeper into it

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Fight me IRL.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              You got the wrong guy, my name isn't Earl.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Spielberg is one of the best horror directors ever
      Of course it’s scary

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I watched it when I was a kid and thought the same. Somewhat creepy, the blue fairy moment and finale fucked me up ngl.
      The atmosphere is unparalleled as well. They don’t make movies like this anymore.

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nah, it's pretty average. You'd think a Kubrick/Spielberg/Watson superhero teamup would work better - but nope.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's the problem: nobody can be Kubrick

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's okay, I guess. Don't really care for it.

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's ok. If I'm gonna watch dark Spielberg, I'd rather watch Munich. But it's not the kiddie movie some people pretend it is.

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, rhis movie is amazing and does soft-cyberpunk and scifi way better than other more famous films.
    It feels soulful and theatrical, mysterious, dark but whimsical.
    I love it.

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I just can't appreciate the part after the A.I.iens. I think it would've been great if it stopped after David met the statue underwater.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. For me? It's A.T.L.iens or bust.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Based OutKast anon

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    damn I’ve never really heard anyone else talk about this movie. I watched it with my parents when I was a kid/was very close with my mother and it made me so sad. I haven’t talked to my mother in like 10 years because she became horribly abusive later on, but I still think of this movie and he good times with my mother from time to time. I am almost a little scared to watch it again as an adult.xhwkk

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    What were some dark parts Kubrick thought of that Spielberg didn't put in? I've heard the first version as a robot child wandering through a robot holocaust.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Probably child robots being used for sex
      Hit too close to home

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Kubrick had all the sappy shit like Teddy
      Spielberg added the dark shit like the Flesh Fair

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Enough of this meme

        What were some dark parts Kubrick thought of that Spielberg didn't put in? I've heard the first version as a robot child wandering through a robot holocaust.

        we both know if Kubrick had made it the uncanny sense of alien strangeness would have been more palpably felt

        sick of this "it's Kubricks's fault its hokey!!" meme

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Brilliant, beautiful film.

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